FabSwingers.com forum: Not liking receiving oral

By *issIrishCoffee OP Woman
over a year ago

Bristol

Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

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dont pay any attention my lovely, you like what you like youre human

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By *issIrishCoffee OP Woman
over a year ago

Bristol

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

dont pay any attention my lovely, you like what you like youre human

I know but when you get it everyday it’s annoying to explain that I don’t like the sensation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

dont pay any attention my lovely, you like what you like youre human

I know but when you get it everyday it’s annoying to explain that I don’t like the sensation "
i can't say ive ever asked a woman that question until in the sex situation

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

Everyone has different likes and dislikes, I used to find it boring until I started to find the men with skills

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

Thank god for this post. I hate it and always get the same kind of responses xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some men get offended when I don't want to give them oral

It does nothing for me.

I don't ask them to go down on me but they usually do anyway. After a while I need a change as it can get boring.

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By *issIrishCoffee OP Woman
over a year ago

Bristol

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

Thank god for this post. I hate it and always get the same kind of responses xx"

I’m glad I’m not the only one

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By *ankie303Woman
over a year ago

Weirdsville South Coast Dorset

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

Thank god for this post. I hate it and always get the same kind of responses xx"

Same! Your far from alone, but many (not all) men seem to think every woman loves it

yawn

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By *issIrishCoffee OP Woman
over a year ago

Bristol

"Some men get offended when I don't want to give them oral

It does nothing for me.

I don't ask them to go down on me but they usually do anyway. After a while I need a change as it can get boring.

I know people don’t understand that it really doesn’t do nothing , I don’t mind giving but I hate receiving

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't particularly like receiving oral either. The sensation does nothing for me and I get bored. Some guys still insist on trying though. If only they'd actually listen to their partner instead of thinking porn and other media knows best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You’re not strange and not the first person I’ve heard say this!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

A lot of people think that one size fits all when it comes to sex. They're a sex god, and once you see their magic formula you too will be a convert!

So when you flat out refuse to engage in this nonsense (because it is), they feel personally attacked.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

Nope, I'm not a huge fan either, I get bored lol.

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By *oredcouple1TV/TS
over a year ago

kirkcaldy

We all have likes and dislikes, life would be far better if people didnt judge others so much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

No, my ex wife didn't like receiving oral or being fingered.

Her choice, we were in a sexless marriage anyway so none of that mattered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your not the first person to say this and won't be the last. We all have our likes and dislikes, when it comes to sex one glove doesnt fit all sizes

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By *hongman1Man
over a year ago

Mansfield

Erm, excuse me, what is this phenomenon of “not liking to receive oral”?????? I am outraged!

Of course, I jest, like a poster above says, we all have our likes and dislikes, I like things other people don’t, so we don’t do it. It is what it is and all those blokes that insist on giving you the “you haven’t had it done right then” treatment are simply not worth your time meeting or talking to. Personally, I absolutely love it and going down on a lady is one of my most favourite things to do, but if she told me she didn’t like it, then so be it.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeh I know where you're coming from OP. I do like giving oral but will always respect someone who isn't keen simply because I'm not that fussy myself about receiving oral. It's overrated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of people think that one size fits all when it comes to sex. They're a sex god, and once you see their magic formula you too will be a convert!

So when you flat out refuse to engage in this nonsense (because it is), they feel personally attacked."

Well put.

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By *anterburyladyWoman
over a year ago

Canterbury

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

I'm not keen either, doesn't do much for me, but blokes seem to be obsessed with it and get quite miffed if I say I don't want it. Porn has a lot to answer for!

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch

I have an ex who didn't like it, either.

As I do quite enjoy giving it, I would sometimes go down on her but not for long.

Probably most men are happy to give it because a lot of so-called professional sexual advice over the years has been that many women don't orgasm through penetrative sex but oral stimulation can work wonders.

But obviously not for everyone.

See ladies, we're only thinking of you and your pleasure....

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By *xperimentalistMan
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Over the past 20+ years we have been programmed and conditioned through the media (magazine, TV, social, porn etc) that not only is this what every woman wants, but that every man must be an expert in it. Want a blow job then give me 3 orgasms through oral first or else you are just a neanderthal.

Repeat something enough times and it becomes "the truth". Obviously everyone woman is different and some will love it and some hate it, same as anything, but that is no longer the perception.

Personally I love it, providing whomever I am with does too, not their thing then that's fine.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Best to focus on what you do like. What do you like?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

No you're not strange. I don't like receiving either. It always amazes me that people can't accept that and I avoid them because usually they think it's the only form of foreplay available.

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By *ablo minibar123Woman
over a year ago

Lots of women don't like it, I'd rather do the housework

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By *essandpatCouple
over a year ago

chester

Receiving oral on me I don't like find it boring, (jess) x

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Lots of women don't like it, I'd rather do the housework

Do you like other parts of your body being licked / kissed?

Neck, ears, breasts, shoulders, spine, thighs, arms?

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By *uckslut and MCouple
over a year ago

Poole

I like a little now and then, but not a fan. Just the same as fingering, I don't like it as 9 times out of 10 I end up with thrush. Garenteed 100% if they are smokers and dip a finger in.

the bacteria on their hands / fingers changes the good bactria and bam thrush. Then after a recent play, someone, who did not know and needed a sat nav, gave me a vaginal tear. Scrapped me with a finger nail. I was sore for 4 days!

So nope, no oral or fingering for me. Only fucking with a condom on.

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By *issIrishCoffee OP Woman
over a year ago

Bristol

Thanks everyone for the comments , makes me feel so much better knowing that I’m not the only one and people understand. Just hate that people called me weird and strange for not liking oral been done on me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve had partners before that didn’t enjoy it, they found it ticklish and others that love it so I don’t think it’s my technique. Just some like it and some don’t

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not a fan either, I start off reasonably enjoying it and then start losing focus. I would prefer not to receive any. I enjoy giving though

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

dont pay any attention my lovely, you like what you like youre human

I know but when you get it everyday it’s annoying to explain that I don’t like the sensation "
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We put it on our profile. I never, ever explain and it someone asks me why or implies it's because I'm ashamed of my genitals or have somehow been traumatised I just laugh. There's a hard core of people, not just men, who follow a formula that they hope has the widest appeal of you call outside of that it sends their brain into over drive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fingering, even worse!

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By *p4funCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

Your your own person people should respect your preferences doesn't make you strange xx

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By *ants cockWoman
over a year ago

lincoln

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

Your not strange. I’m not too keen. But most men are crap at it.

I’ve known some men who don’t like oral on them. Each to their own. Many different kinks on here

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By *ucker4you500Man
over a year ago

Stockport

You can only do what you want to do. But I absolutely love it when I am feeling very very fucking horny I just can't stop giving and receiving but only when I am with someone who is really fucking into it as well.

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By *ifty69Man
over a year ago

north tyneside

I love giving oral, it turns me on so much but would respect if they didnt want it.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I get bored by it and avoid responding to or contacting profiles that state they can lick for hours etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While I love giving oral, because I find it very intimate, it has to be with a willing receiver.

If it is not for you then that needs to be respected.

Good sex is about having fun and doing the thing that you enjoy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have the same issue. But My reason is that I have deep seated issues. I can receive but I freeze and zone out.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

A guy was genuinely astounded once when I said I didn't like oral. He said "what do you do then just go straight to penetration?" He had no idea that there was anything more to sex than oral followed by penetration .

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By *opite_xWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

Does absolutely nothing for me! My wand on the other hand, now that’s addictive

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By *adeiteWoman
over a year ago

Stafford

I dont particularly like it either. People think I'm fresh out the loony bin. Excuse me for standing our from the resr

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By *ablo minibar123Woman
over a year ago

"Lots of women don't like it, I'd rather do the housework

Do you like other parts of your body being licked / kissed?

Neck, ears, breasts, shoulders, spine, thighs, arms? "
yes very much so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Different people like different things.

I think some guys are amazed a lady doesn't want oral as it's incredibly rare a guy wouldn't enjoy receiving oral. + I reckon some guys are so arrogant they think their magical skills can convert her to suddenly loving oral.

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By *nglishdoodMan
over a year ago

Morristown

I love giving it, but I couldn't care less about blowjobs. I don't hate them or dislike the feeling, but I've only ever come close to cumming from one once, and there were other stimulations going on at the same time. They're good foreplay.

Some women really love doing it, and I'm happy to watch. Ultimately for me it's about giving other people pleasure so if you're happy down there, so am I!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Generally not a huge fan. Though I was almost converted the other day.

The old adage of being eaten like a peach .... Er no thanks something more delicate please !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Generally not a huge fan. Though I was almost converted the other day.

The old adage of being eaten like a peach .... Er no thanks something more delicate please ! "

Chewed on like spare ribs?

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By *oney to the beeWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

Its not strange not liking it at all people like what they like its not a matter of you should like because others do.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

I neither like nor dislike it. I don’t feel like I’m missing out if I don't get oral but I’ll ask him to stop or wiggle out of it and on to something else.

It stems from that ‘ladies first’ bollocks. I hate the pressure put on me to cum first just so he doesn’t feel guilty about cumming, it’s an event not a race.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Lots of women don't like it, I'd rather do the housework

Do you like other parts of your body being licked / kissed?

Neck, ears, breasts, shoulders, spine, thighs, arms? yes very much so"

That’s good enough for me.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I neither like nor dislike it. I don’t feel like I’m missing out if I don't get oral but I’ll ask him to stop or wiggle out of it and on to something else.

It stems from that ‘ladies first’ bollocks. I hate the pressure put on me to cum first just so he doesn’t feel guilty about cumming, it’s an event not a race. "

It can feel a bit like "phew, now that's out of the way we can concentrate on me"

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

"I neither like nor dislike it. I don’t feel like I’m missing out if I don't get oral but I’ll ask him to stop or wiggle out of it and on to something else.

It stems from that ‘ladies first’ bollocks. I hate the pressure put on me to cum first just so he doesn’t feel guilty about cumming, it’s an event not a race.

It can feel a bit like "phew, now that's out of the way we can concentrate on me""

Exactly that, some see it as some sort of trophy too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like it when I want it but apart from then find it a little boring ... the trouble is so many people just like prescriptive rather than spontaneity. I avoid profiles that claim to love it for hours, rather read war & peace again!!

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

It’s all about likes / dislikes and understanding boundaries. We are all different - thank god!

As ever though, the important bit is discussing it. Oral / Aural sex!

The naughty headmistress that I’ve been dating loves me to lick her and she enjoys licking & sucking me. We alternate as she expressed a dislike for 69. Fair enough - what a great time we have . She also explained right from the start that anal was a no no. I have to say that having had that discussion it takes a load of pressure away, I’m not laying there thinking should I try it, suggest it, “accidentally “ go in that direction.

The importance of discussing and agreeing is pretty obvious I know but it’s not always been that easy.

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

Can't say I'm too bothered by it these days. Generally guys have stubble, which can be like sandpaper on some very sensitive bits.

Hate when guys only go for the clit, rapid licking or fingers, because you can have too much of a good thing, and that can start to hurt.

Complete turn off/ deal breaker are guys that say they are excellent at oral or that they will MAKE me cum, like it's a competition.

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By *aysolCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

"Can't say I'm too bothered by it these days. Generally guys have stubble, which can be like sandpaper on some very sensitive bits.

Hate when guys only go for the clit, rapid licking or fingers, because you can have too much of a good thing, and that can start to hurt.

Complete turn off/ deal breaker are guys that say they are excellent at oral or that they will MAKE me cum, like it's a competition."

I feel like a lot of men do this- go hard on the clit when in reality my gf has shown me that teasing slowly and gently is so much better. Sometimes just nibbling around the outside of the pussy and just teasing the clit for ages without even touching it is what gets her going the most. It's such a part of the body, I think a lot of the time less is more when it comes to licking pussy. Im sure its different for different women and you really have to know how to read her to be able to satisfy her, and if it's a one off you might not have that knowledge.

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By *aysolCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

It's such a sensitive part of the body**

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By *actileGent69Man
over a year ago

East Cheshire

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

No not strange, an ex girlfriend claimed to feel nothing however hard I tried yet touch her breasts and she'd orgasm in seconds.

For some it may be psycological. Afraid they're not clean down there, don't like the smell so how can anyone else ?, their pussy is ugly, afraid to reach orgasm, that they'll squirt or fart, the list goes on...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Generally not a huge fan. Though I was almost converted the other day.

The old adage of being eaten like a peach .... Er no thanks something more delicate please !

Chewed on like spare ribs?

That is sadly how quite a few go to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thanks everyone for the comments , makes me feel so much better knowing that I’m not the only one and people understand. Just hate that people called me weird and strange for not liking oral been done on me

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you are perfectly normal but with exceptional breasts

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By *oistknickersCouple
over a year ago

London

In our opinion it’s a shame that you don’t enjoy what many women enjoy, I speaking as a man intensely enjoy giving oral to ladies, it’s a unique part of sex because there’s a sense of closeness almost claustrophobic and other senses are heightened by this, the taste and smell is awesome combined with the movement of your partner is fantastic and afterwards it’s still carried my face and sometimes she will gush it’s a sensory overload.

It’s a beautiful thing to share or even just watch.

But each to their own

Love and Peace

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

I totally understand. Some ladies get pleasure externally some internal some both.

I recently met a lady that has never orgasmed from penetration. So opposite from you.

Horses for corses. Just respect people.!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never used to be particularly fussed on it, until I found a man that would make me come everytime through oral. Now I'm disappointed if I don't! Not every man has the skill.

My mum hates it... ( This came up in a conversation over lunch a couple of weeks ago!)

No hard and fast rule when it comes to anything with sex. Do what you do like and don't what you don't

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By *cloversCouple
over a year ago

Hull

Hallebloodylujah!

No we're not strange - we know what we like and when we like it & receiving oral is not at the top of my list ever

On the other hand having my breasts played with and my back being scratched I'll happily accept for hours! Yet I know many would find that ultra boring

Vive la difference!

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By *ambslass48Woman
over a year ago

Peterborough

Don't particularly like it and hate giving BJ's as well. Be a boring old world if we liked same thing

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

It can also be the same with the men as well.

Though many wont admit it.

You also get women that think the men want it and need it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone enjoys different things and often have places on their bodies they don't want touched OP. Nothing odd about that. You're very normal!

The trick is in finding sensitive and empathetic partners ...

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Everyone enjoys different things and often have places on their bodies they don't want touched OP. Nothing odd about that. You're very normal!

The trick is in finding sensitive and empathetic partners ..."

And what a trick that is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are a couple where neither of us get much from oral. Both of us can’t cum for it. When people say you haven’t had the right person, it shows their naivety to us. We have both had many different people try but just can’t get there. We both get to the brink but can’t just get there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

I'm with you. I can't stand it. It can be boring, painful and sloppy. It's not my idea of fun. I had an message the other day practically accusing me of telling lies when I turned down the hours of licking for nothing in return.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like it but am not that bothered if I get it or not tbh... As long as I get penatrative (with a cock), vaginal sex, I am happy as that is what works for me ... I don't really like toys inside me and people think that is weird too. I wouldn't worry too much, just do you, anyone else matters not

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"I like a little now and then, but not a fan. Just the same as fingering, I don't like it as 9 times out of 10 I end up with thrush. Garenteed 100% if they are smokers and dip a finger in.

So nope, no oral or fingering for me. Only fucking with a condom on. "

Oh no...

I really dislike fingering, it's not my thing. I don't mind oral but, can get bored. I love sucking though. I like a hard fuck

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By *adylydfordWoman
over a year ago

altinkum

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

I cant stand recieving either. Most guys look at me like im an alien when i tell them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

Glass half or full, use your charm and wittiness and hurt guy macho'ism I want satisfaction/enjoyment from your biggy lovely Willy not your sexy lips and tongue, it is to kiss, if you lick I won't kiss you, choice is your

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By *hilledout-coupleCouple
over a year ago

telford

Each to their own not everyone’s cup of tea but we would all be boring if we all liked the same things

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By *eal_curves_is_backWoman
over a year ago

London

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

What was that?!

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

I think most guys see it as their trump card. Just look at how many profiles mention it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do people get offended or they don’t understand that I don’t like receiving oral

someone wrote you must not have it done right

Am I strange for not liking it ? cause people are starting to make me thinking that I am

What was that?! "

If glass is filled half with water what you will call? Is it half full or half empty? It's way to check the person perception to deal with situation.. half full positiveness, half empty negativity... Either person can moan or use 250gm organ to deal

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By *jloversCouple
over a year ago

portsmouth

No I believe it’s not everybody’s thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just think it's sad when guys don't get that you might not want or like something or that they believe that one thing works for everyone! A limited repertoire isn't attractive ...

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By *uma69Man
over a year ago

stockport

Personally talking from experience an ex of mine hated it before she met me but if she was turned on enough and relaxed she loved it and came several times on many occasions dont get me wrong it was a lot of hard work getting there lol

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By *inkyandperky555Couple
over a year ago

swansea

My gf hates giving a bj does nothing for her that’s up to her at the end of the day it’s no problem to me.

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By *uma69Man
over a year ago

stockport

"My gf hates giving a bj does nothing for her that’s up to her at the end of the day it’s no problem to me. "

Does she still want you to go down on her

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By *hrissycox66TV/TS
over a year ago

watford

Wow what a interesting threed.

Opened my eyes up

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By *aughtyYorkGentMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Interesting thread. As a straight guy I was well aware that some women don't like receiving oral, but if I'm honest the sheer volume of posts from ladies subscribing to that point of view does surprise me.

As others have said, part of the issue is the conditioning that guys get about how important pleasing a woman with your tongue is, and how you must make sure that that happens before you're entitled to anything at all in return! Utter nonsense of course, but when something is heard enough...

That said, I do absolutely love giving oral (I prefer it to receiving and I think that surprises a lot of women), so I'll admit to being a bit disappointed when a woman doesn't like it. I certainly wouldn't force the issue though.

The key thing for me would be for her to get across somehow that it's just "not her thing" (either by simply saying so, or through her body language). For me it's far better that she does that than "puts up with it" without enjoying it, something which is likely to end up with a disappointing encounter and me wondering if I didn't do it right!

Finally, just to emphasise the minefield all this is, I've asked "do you like to be licked?" in the heat of passion before and been met with the women sitting up, looking at me in amazement and the words "well, durrrr - of course!" You ladies do seem to want to talk on behalf of your entire gender sometimes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like it but am not that bothered if I get it or not tbh... As long as I get penatrative (with a cock), vaginal sex, I am happy as that is what works for me ... I don't really like toys inside me and people think that is weird too. I wouldn't worry too much, just do you, anyone else matters not

The same here, no fingering or toys inside me thanks, dicks only. Only one person I have played with who I enjoyed oral with and didn’t get bored. One left my poor clit nearly swollen from chewing it like a dog with a bone.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Am I strange for not liking it ?"

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By *iguy for funMan
over a year ago

CIRENCESTER

how on earth did that come up in conversation with your mum?? "pass the salt please, oh and by the way, where do you stand on receiving oral?"

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