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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?." Lots hide their profiles, they maybe got a freaky message from someone or something not great came up in their everyday lives or their phone just packed up etc | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ?" Yes but 9/10 don't reply. | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply." Then take that as a no thanks or they've changed their minds for some reason and move on. | |||
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"You say in a previous thread that you have had 13 cancelled meets in a row and before that 11. Maybe there is something about you that causes meets to timewaste or hide their profile. " Lol that's quite negative. Maybe it says something about how many folk behave on this site !, it is certainly worse than it used to be and others mention that in other posts too. | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply." Maybe cos they are looking for a couple and not a single male. | |||
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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?." Are they still exchanging messages of just gone off grid? If they like you, messae you, and don't feel the need to look elsewhere, they may hide their profile to concentrate on you. Or they are just doing what they want with their profile. | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply. Maybe cos they are looking for a couple and not a single male." Yes, I just read that. | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply. Maybe cos they are looking for a couple and not a single male." Nope, latest one was looking for a male. | |||
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"To me time-wasting only comes into it when a meet has been arranged and at that point you're stuffed around. Before that, you take your chances." I believe not turning up for a meet to be timewasting. Unless I have contact on the day of the meet I don't leave my house. I only meet very locally too. | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply. Maybe cos they are looking for a couple and not a single male. Nope, latest one was looking for a male." So if you are only playing as a single male your profile should be a single male. | |||
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"To me time-wasting only comes into it when a meet has been arranged and at that point you're stuffed around. Before that, you take your chances. I believe not turning up for a meet to be timewasting. Unless I have contact on the day of the meet I don't leave my house. I only meet very locally too. " Yes, that's what I mean, sorry. Not turning up, radically changing terms, etc. If messages stop... shit happens. | |||
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"My profile is currently hidden. I get too many messages to answer them all, and I’ve got a bit of a stalker situation going on so I’ve blocked him and am taking a break. I’m still talking to people in my inbox and will put my profile back on public when I’m ready. Doesn’t mean I’m fake just means I have a life..." Sorry, to hear this, I've been in a similar situation myself. Feel free to pm if you need a chat. X | |||
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"My profile is currently hidden. I get too many messages to answer them all, and I’ve got a bit of a stalker situation going on so I’ve blocked him and am taking a break. I’m still talking to people in my inbox and will put my profile back on public when I’m ready. Doesn’t mean I’m fake just means I have a life... Sorry, to hear this, I've been in a similar situation myself. Feel free to pm if you need a chat. X" I've hidden mine for reasons including being in hospital awaiting surgery. Shame on me. | |||
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"My profile is currently hidden. I get too many messages to answer them all, and I’ve got a bit of a stalker situation going on so I’ve blocked him and am taking a break. I’m still talking to people in my inbox and will put my profile back on public when I’m ready. Doesn’t mean I’m fake just means I have a life... Sorry, to hear this, I've been in a similar situation myself. Feel free to pm if you need a chat. X" or pm me my advice is far superior and I have an FaQ's page | |||
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"Ahhh yes and their be your answer if cherry is out of action you're a single male and hence the difficulty of getting replies, you're one of us now my friend a single guy it's not easy ya know " Lol no saw this new trend start before Cherry was out of action. | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply. Maybe cos they are looking for a couple and not a single male. Nope, latest one was looking for a male. So if you are only playing as a single male your profile should be a single male." Only a temporary situation and I'm not a single male lol, Cherry will be back in action at some point. | |||
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"Thank you x It’s made me check up and tighten up my social media privacy settings which is probably not a bad thing - but sad I need to feel that way x" Lucy it is sad but on a more positive note I saw the film Lucy the other day with scarlett johanson and Morgan Freeman great film | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply. Maybe cos they are looking for a couple and not a single male. Nope, latest one was looking for a male. So if you are only playing as a single male your profile should be a single male. Only a temporary situation and I'm not a single male lol, Cherry will be back in action at some point." Good glad to hear it .........cherryO cherryO baby | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply. Maybe cos they are looking for a couple and not a single male. Nope, latest one was looking for a male. So if you are only playing as a single male your profile should be a single male. Only a temporary situation and I'm not a single male lol, Cherry will be back in action at some point.Good glad to hear it .........cherryO cherryO baby " Mmmm | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply. Maybe cos they are looking for a couple and not a single male. Nope, latest one was looking for a male. So if you are only playing as a single male your profile should be a single male. Only a temporary situation and I'm not a single male lol, Cherry will be back in action at some point.Good glad to hear it .........cherryO cherryO baby Mmmm " you're on my level are you 42 by any chance? | |||
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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?." That's not time wasting. | |||
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"You're on my level are you 42 by any chance? " Level pegging ? | |||
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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?." I may have missed something What's rude about hiding their profile? You have already seen it,you been chatting for s few weeks? | |||
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"You say in a previous thread that you have had 13 cancelled meets in a row and before that 11. Maybe there is something about you that causes meets to timewaste or hide their profile. Lol that's quite negative. Maybe it says something about how many folk behave on this site !, it is certainly worse than it used to be and others mention that in other posts too." Common denominator in this is you op, if its happening a lot and I'd say 11 and 13 was a lot, change something your selection criteria your checks and balances If the others have hidden their profile their profile their choice. Delete( block if you think they're timewasters) move on. | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply." It's funny. If a single bloke had written that there'd be a long line of people saying "no reply is no thanks" and it's in the site FaQs. It's that time of year when the schools are on holiday. I'm expecting a lot of people to hide their profiles for a few weeks. *life outside of Fab | |||
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"You say in a previous thread that you have had 13 cancelled meets in a row and before that 11. Maybe there is something about you that causes meets to timewaste or hide their profile. Lol that's quite negative. Maybe it says something about how many folk behave on this site !, it is certainly worse than it used to be and others mention that in other posts too. Common denominator in this is you op, if its happening a lot and I'd say 11 and 13 was a lot, change something your selection criteria your checks and balances If the others have hidden their profile their profile their choice. Delete( block if you think they're timewasters) move on. " Lol that was a while back, common denominator is the mainstream folk on here. We have manners, our checks and balances are just fine. | |||
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"You say in a previous thread that you have had 13 cancelled meets in a row and before that 11. Maybe there is something about you that causes meets to timewaste or hide their profile. Lol that's quite negative. Maybe it says something about how many folk behave on this site !, it is certainly worse than it used to be and others mention that in other posts too. Common denominator in this is you op, if its happening a lot and I'd say 11 and 13 was a lot, change something your selection criteria your checks and balances If the others have hidden their profile their profile their choice. Delete( block if you think they're timewasters) move on. Lol that was a while back, common denominator is the mainstream folk on here. We have manners, our checks and balances are just fine." Your own anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise. People hiding their profiles are not timewasters. | |||
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"You say in a previous thread that you have had 13 cancelled meets in a row and before that 11. Maybe there is something about you that causes meets to timewaste or hide their profile. Lol that's quite negative. Maybe it says something about how many folk behave on this site !, it is certainly worse than it used to be and others mention that in other posts too. Common denominator in this is you op, if its happening a lot and I'd say 11 and 13 was a lot, change something your selection criteria your checks and balances If the others have hidden their profile their profile their choice. Delete( block if you think they're timewasters) move on. Lol that was a while back, common denominator is the mainstream folk on here. We have manners, our checks and balances are just fine." Mainstream folk? What does that even mean? I love these threads 'so and so doesn't want to meet me, it couldn't possibly be anything to do with me, it's their fault, they must be *insert insult here*'. | |||
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"You say in a previous thread that you have had 13 cancelled meets in a row and before that 11. Maybe there is something about you that causes meets to timewaste or hide their profile. Lol that's quite negative. Maybe it says something about how many folk behave on this site !, it is certainly worse than it used to be and others mention that in other posts too. Common denominator in this is you op, if its happening a lot and I'd say 11 and 13 was a lot, change something your selection criteria your checks and balances If the others have hidden their profile their profile their choice. Delete( block if you think they're timewasters) move on. Lol that was a while back, common denominator is the mainstream folk on here. We have manners, our checks and balances are just fine." Clearly not as people are doing that. Maybe just step back and look at your profile. There might just be something that hindering you or maybe your verifications as some do a paper trail of who they are potentially meeting have met before them. | |||
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"People hiding their profiles are not timewasters. " Did I say that ?, no. Read my first post again lol. | |||
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"People hiding their profiles are not timewasters. Did I say that ?, no. Read my first post again lol." No you state that it’s a new trend | |||
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"People hiding their profiles are not timewasters. Did I say that ?, no. Read my first post again lol. No you state that it’s a new trend " Insert see thread title | |||
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"People hiding their profiles are not timewasters. Did I say that ?, no. Read my first post again lol." That's actually exactly what you said. | |||
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"People hiding their profiles are not timewasters. Did I say that ?, no. Read my first post again lol." Er, that's exactly what you said. Your thread title; "New timewaster behaviour" From your very first post; "Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. XXXXXXXXX then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE XXXXXXXX" | |||
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"People hiding their profiles are not timewasters. Did I say that ?, no. Read my first post again lol. Er, that's exactly what you said. Your thread title; "New timewaster behaviour" From your very first post; "Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. XXXXXXXXX then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE XXXXXXXX" " | |||
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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?." That isn’t time wasting? | |||
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"People hiding their profiles are not timewasters. Did I say that ?, no. Read my first post again lol. Er, that's exactly what you said. Your thread title; "New timewaster behaviour" From your very first post; "Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. XXXXXXXXX then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE XXXXXXXX" " | |||
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"People hiding their profiles are not timewasters. Did I say that ?, no. Read my first post again lol." Yes.....yes you did. Blatantly. Unmistakably that's what you said. | |||
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"You say in a previous thread that you have had 13 cancelled meets in a row and before that 11. Maybe there is something about you that causes meets to timewaste or hide their profile. Lol that's quite negative. Maybe it says something about how many folk behave on this site !, it is certainly worse than it used to be and others mention that in other posts too. Common denominator in this is you op, if its happening a lot and I'd say 11 and 13 was a lot, change something your selection criteria your checks and balances If the others have hidden their profile their profile their choice. Delete( block if you think they're timewasters) move on. Lol that was a while back, common denominator is the mainstream folk on here. We have manners, our checks and balances are just fine." often folk lay the blame for their perceived lack of success at the feet of others when in reality the problem is far closer to home Hope you find what you seek. | |||
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" Its against the rules for pm contents to be posted.. " Ooh I didn’t know that - thank you - at least I have in no way identified the user. I’ve reported myself lol | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way." I think you are answering your own post with your replies. If someone choses to hide their profile, for whatever reason, that is their choice. They don't have to notify a random single male why. The ability to message is still there. Why they have hidden is nobodies business. | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way." We can read, we just disagree, nobody owes you an explanation after just a conversation or two. A timewaster is someone who agrees a time and place for a meet then is a no show. | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way." You say "the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean." How exactly? People disagreeing with you, pointing out your own erroneous comments have absolutely nothing to do with timewasters, which is the subject of your thread. | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way." I will say it again IT IS NOT TIMEWASTING , hopefully putting it on bold will help it sink in | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way." It’s actually possible to still send someone a. message when they’ve hidden their profile, so you could easily just pop them a message and ask if they’re still interested. I wouldn’t take a hidden profile as a sign of timewasting, I’ve hidden mine on a few occasions, either because I wanted a break or because I wasn’t interested in communicating with anyone new. If you had arranged to meet someone and then they had hid their profile and not turned then I would agree with you, but not just after chatting a bit. | |||
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"OP, is it the male posting?" Very probably. | |||
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"OP, is it the male posting?" Based on what the profile says I'd guess yes... | |||
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"OP, is it the male posting? Based on what the profile says I'd guess yes..." That was my assumption... | |||
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"People hiding their profiles are not timewasters. Did I say that ?, no. Read my first post again lol." I did. You explicit describe hiding a profile as a time-waster ploy. Then you start arguing the toss with everyone. To us you come across as a very angry person , and one we'd steer very clear of. It comes as no surprise to me you get a lot of cancellations. | |||
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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?." It's clearly stated here in your OP that you class people hiding their profiles as timewasters. You couldn't have been any clearer. A true timewaster is a no show at an arranged meet, not so one who decides for whatever reason, to hide their profile. It's also not rude and it's certainly not a new thing on fab. | |||
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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?. It's clearly stated here in your OP that you class people hiding their profiles as timewasters. You couldn't have been any clearer. A true timewaster is a no show at an arranged meet, not so one who decides for whatever reason, to hide their profile. It's also not rude and it's certainly not a new thing on fab. " Not forgetting hiding a profile doesn't stop the continuance of message exchanges. Only a block stops messaging. Methinks the threads not going the way the OP thought..... | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way." No one on this thread has given you any attitude. They are all correct in stating that people can change their mind about replying to messages at any time, they can hide their profiles and this ISN'T time wasting. When a person arranges a meeting and doesn't show or cancel is time wasting. | |||
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"Not forgetting hiding a profile doesn't stop the continuance of message exchanges. Only a block stops messaging. Methinks the threads not going the way the OP thought....." Lol you could say that again. Many false assumptions being made, some clearly can't read, others just have a clearly bad attitude. We know you can still message yet they don't in general, don't read our last message etc. We've been here a long time and seen all kinds of fakes, pic collectors and timewasters. This is a new one on us (last one hid their profile after I asked to see photos as none at all on their profile). Yes in most cases a lot of time wasted chatting before the profile hide. It's obviously not personal as not a block and also stops all others finding them. | |||
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"Not forgetting hiding a profile doesn't stop the continuance of message exchanges. Only a block stops messaging. Methinks the threads not going the way the OP thought..... Lol you could say that again. Many false assumptions being made, some clearly can't read, others just have a clearly bad attitude. We know you can still message yet they don't in general, don't read our last message etc. We've been here a long time and seen all kinds of fakes, pic collectors and timewasters. This is a new one on us (last one hid their profile after I asked to see photos as none at all on their profile). Yes in most cases a lot of time wasted chatting before the profile hide. It's obviously not personal as not a block and also stops all others finding them." If they've decided to stop speaking to you for whatever reason, the likelihood is that it is personal. It still isn't time-wasting though. | |||
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"Not forgetting hiding a profile doesn't stop the continuance of message exchanges. Only a block stops messaging. Methinks the threads not going the way the OP thought..... Lol you could say that again. Many false assumptions being made, some clearly can't read, others just have a clearly bad attitude. We know you can still message yet they don't in general, don't read our last message etc. We've been here a long time and seen all kinds of fakes, pic collectors and timewasters. This is a new one on us (last one hid their profile after I asked to see photos as none at all on their profile). Yes in most cases a lot of time wasted chatting before the profile hide. It's obviously not personal as not a block and also stops all others finding them." I don't think you've read your own post or given a seconds thought to consider everyone who's posted's comments. Hiding a profile isn't time wasting. | |||
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"You can still email them even if the profile is hidden and they can mail you, Did you know that ? Yes but 9/10 don't reply. Maybe cos they are looking for a couple and not a single male. Nope, latest one was looking for a male. So if you are only playing as a single male your profile should be a single male. Only a temporary situation and I'm not a single male lol, Cherry will be back in action at some point." You should have a separate single profile for meeting alone regardless of wether Cherry will be back in action soon or not. You are trying to meet females off the back of your couples verifications. Charlie and I are not often available together, he takes his chances, on his single profile. x | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way." WE GOT THAT BIT but it still DOESN'T MAKE THEM TIME WASTERS why don't you get that bit? | |||
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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?." No. | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way. WE GOT THAT BIT but it still DOESN'T MAKE THEM TIME WASTERS why don't you get that bit?" CLEARLY NOT!!! | |||
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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?." Yeah experienced it twice recently, very odd people about | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way. WE GOT THAT BIT but it still DOESN'T MAKE THEM TIME WASTERS why don't you get that bit? CLEARLY NOT!!! " TBH if we were in the middle of the conversation and suddenly they just hid there profile without a word, that would be an instant block for us, etiquette and good manners are a prerequisite to meeting us, end of. These people are not time wasters, they are just rude arseholes who you should forget about, after all you wouldn’t in the middle of a conversation in a club just turn around and walk away? That would be rude, the same rules for politeness, social etiquette and being decent human beings should apply here too. Shamefully as seen in this post with some of the responses it does not. | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way. WE GOT THAT BIT but it still DOESN'T MAKE THEM TIME WASTERS why don't you get that bit? CLEARLY NOT!!! TBH if we were in the middle of the conversation and suddenly they just hid there profile without a word, that would be an instant block for us, etiquette and good manners are a prerequisite to meeting us, end of. These people are not time wasters, they are just rude arseholes who you should forget about, after all you wouldn’t in the middle of a conversation in a club just turn around and walk away? That would be rude, the same rules for politeness, social etiquette and being decent human beings should apply here too. Shamefully as seen in this post with some of the responses it does not. Can I clarify as I'm a bloke and can only think with my penis... Is the issue with if they stop dead the conversation and then hide the profile, or continue the conversation but with a hidden profile? I'm struggling to collelate a right to privacy with rudeness. But then I'm a simple guy who fafs and wanks off over everyone's pictures." Stop dead the conversation and hide the profile..... | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way. WE GOT THAT BIT but it still DOESN'T MAKE THEM TIME WASTERS why don't you get that bit? CLEARLY NOT!!! TBH if we were in the middle of the conversation and suddenly they just hid there profile without a word, that would be an instant block for us, etiquette and good manners are a prerequisite to meeting us, end of. These people are not time wasters, they are just rude arseholes who you should forget about, after all you wouldn’t in the middle of a conversation in a club just turn around and walk away? That would be rude, the same rules for politeness, social etiquette and being decent human beings should apply here too. Shamefully as seen in this post with some of the responses it does not." To be fair, we have only had one side of the story, it seems the op has issues with 'timewasters', it makes me wonder what they are doing/saying to keep having these issues. | |||
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"You say in a previous thread that you have had 13 cancelled meets in a row and before that 11. Maybe there is something about you that causes meets to timewaste or hide their profile. Lol that's quite negative. Maybe it says something about how many folk behave on this site !, it is certainly worse than it used to be and others mention that in other posts too." Your short descriptions class both of you as bi-curious and bisexual. Yet on your profile text you say you are 100% straight...maybe that confuses people? X | |||
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"TBH if we were in the middle of the conversation and suddenly they just hid there profile without a word, that would be an instant block for us, etiquette and good manners are a prerequisite to meeting us, end of. These people are not time wasters, they are just rude arseholes who you should forget about, after all you wouldn’t in the middle of a conversation in a club just turn around and walk away? That would be rude, the same rules for politeness, social etiquette and being decent human beings should apply here too. Shamefully as seen in this post with some of the responses it does not." At last lol, yet they do waste our time, time we could spend chatting or arranging meets with genuine and well mannered folk. In some cases it's weeks or months of chatting suddenly terminated without explanation. Beautiful photos by the way x | |||
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"You say in a previous thread that you have had 13 cancelled meets in a row and before that 11. Maybe there is something about you that causes meets to timewaste or hide their profile. Lol that's quite negative. Maybe it says something about how many folk behave on this site !, it is certainly worse than it used to be and others mention that in other posts too." My sincere apologies. I misread your profile. I’ve had my contacts in my eyes for too long today | |||
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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?." Funnily enough I just had two exciting prospects at the same time over on AFF - genuine accounts too (like gold dust over there). I thought yay, at least one of these is surely guaranteed! But though both contacted me first and both asked to meet me - they both suddenly shut down their profiles. There could be any number of reasons why of course, from changing their minds to, well anything. It's not that much of a coincidence it happening twice either, as you have to accept that it happens all the time. Some blokes (even straight blokes) can meet up after barely grunting at each other online, and stand in a park mutually wanking. Other people have to go through various message grinding, failed timings, weird negotiations and social-only meets before they eventually get their oats. But suddenly it can happen too. It's just the way it is. I'm outside of the swing scene though (not really a swinger). If you are properly in it though, I don't know. | |||
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"Real life comes before Fab. I hide my profile when things are seriously wrong. I'm sorry that comes before a potential meet! " | |||
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"My sincere apologies. I misread your profile. I’ve had my contacts in my eyes for too long today No worries sir " In any case I’m sorry you have experienced this attitude. Playing on your own currently shouldn’t be an issue. I have gladly played with the one-halves of couples. | |||
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"Messaging that ultimately goes nowhere is just a risk you take. Not everyone will be for everyone, circumstances don't always align etc. To call it time wasting seems quite entitled to me. " | |||
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"Messaging that ultimately goes nowhere is just a risk you take. Not everyone will be for everyone, circumstances don't always align etc. To call it time wasting seems quite entitled to me. " A lot of my messaging goes nowhere, but most of the time I've had a lovely chat anyway, all good. | |||
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"If I'm talking to a "couple" and it then transpires it's just a bloke I'm instantly not interested. False advertising " I hope you made him feel embarrassed. I do, but the excuses are always rubbish when they are not honest up front. I've seen single men use their Couple profile for years on AFF, some even with all the pictures in. I've seen it for so long they've forgotten that they've spoken to me, and promised me they'd change it! It's just gets them more contact I'm afraid, and without it they are lost in the soup of single men. | |||
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"We always hide our profile when not online, we just prefer to be incognito unless online." That makes perfect sense to me. I've just wanted to be on the forum tonight really (though the forum is quite useful when you are also looking of course) and people have contacted me asking to go out. I'm happy to reply and say sorry, but it would be just as useful to go 'offline' somehow. Otherwise it looks like you are fully online yet ignoring someone's message - which I personally don't like to do. I'm not sure that you can hide your profile but still use things like the forum though tbh. I don't think I've hidden it at all as yet. | |||
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"Noticed a new odd timewaster ploy. We are in the middle of chatting, exchanged face pics etc then they suddenly HIDE THEIR PROFILE for a few weeks !?. Talk about rude. Anyone else witnessed this new annoying trend ?." No. Maybe their decision to hide their profile was due to another reason, perhaps they saw someone the knew or where getting grief from another site member? You can still message people who have hidden their profiles. I wouldn't take it personally or assume they are time wasters just because they hid their profile. If it us happening a lot to you maybe you are doing something to cause it? To suggest this is a trend based on one incident would appear to be a little extreme in my humble opinion. | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way. WE GOT THAT BIT but it still DOESN'T MAKE THEM TIME WASTERS why don't you get that bit? CLEARLY NOT!!! " You do not know that they weren't also chatting to someone else. Honestly your attitude is dreadful I am not suprised they hid their profile, I am suprised you weren't blocked. | |||
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"Lol the attitude of some of the replies demonstrates exactly what I mean. I'll say again. IN THE MIDDLE OF CHATTING THEY SUDDENLY HIDE THEIR PROFILE. Hopefully putting in bold will help it to sink in. Yes we've had those who hide profiles due to having breaks, fed up of the timewasters and fakes here or their kids discover what they're doing lol. They usually tell us beforehand though, consideration and good manners go a long way. WE GOT THAT BIT but it still DOESN'T MAKE THEM TIME WASTERS why don't you get that bit? CLEARLY NOT!!! TBH if we were in the middle of the conversation and suddenly they just hid there profile without a word, that would be an instant block for us, etiquette and good manners are a prerequisite to meeting us, end of. These people are not time wasters, they are just rude arseholes who you should forget about, after all you wouldn’t in the middle of a conversation in a club just turn around and walk away? That would be rude, the same rules for politeness, social etiquette and being decent human beings should apply here too. Shamefully as seen in this post with some of the responses it does not. Can I clarify as I'm a bloke and can only think with my penis... Is the issue with if they stop dead the conversation and then hide the profile, or continue the conversation but with a hidden profile? I'm struggling to collelate a right to privacy with rudeness. But then I'm a simple guy who fafs and wanks off over everyone's pictures." Well said | |||
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"I don’t know if there is a universal definition for the term ‘timewaster’, with regards to promising false dates to somebody or whether it’s just an unspoken agreement for the fabswingers website. But I absolutely get where CherryEaters and others who have posted similar complaints are coming from. This morning I got blocked from everywhere by somebody from a website who had given me their mobile phone and WhatsApp, out of their own free will....I think, oddly enough, I got blocked because they got bored of me due to the fact that I wasn’t sending them enough sexy messages, you know, due to my partner and house chores and work etc...so, yeah ok. They haven’t stood me up somewhere waiting for them, but it does feel like they made me waste my precious time chatting to them in the first place when I could have done something else instead...it is the rudeness above everything, not the fact that somebody has changed their minds. " And what would NOT wasting your time look like? Not chatting? Meeting you even if they have lost interest? | |||
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"I don’t know if there is a universal definition for the term ‘timewaster’, with regards to promising false dates to somebody or whether it’s just an unspoken agreement for the fabswingers website. But I absolutely get where CherryEaters and others who have posted similar complaints are coming from. This morning I got blocked from everywhere by somebody from a website who had given me their mobile phone and WhatsApp, out of their own free will....I think, oddly enough, I got blocked because they got bored of me due to the fact that I wasn’t sending them enough sexy messages, you know, due to my partner and house chores and work etc...so, yeah ok. They haven’t stood me up somewhere waiting for them, but it does feel like they made me waste my precious time chatting to them in the first place when I could have done something else instead...it is the rudeness above everything, not the fact that somebody has changed their minds. And what would NOT wasting your time look like? Not chatting? Meeting you even if they have lost interest?" NEITHER OF THE OPTIONS you mentioned. Just politely and honestly telling somebody that they are not interested should be sufficient enough for a civilised person who can take rejection like a civilised adult... | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x So how are YOU going to change it so I don't get abuse for rejecting people? You can't! I can - by not replying and blocking. I'm happy with that. If you aren't then YOU must try harder to stop me getting abusive messages. If YOU had blocked me and ignored me flatly AFTER you had chosen to give me your WhatsApp to communicate with you, then the behaviour would say a lot more about YOU then about me. X" I would:1. Not give anyone my whatsapp 2. If I did there would be a reason for the block, namely their behaviour. So come on - how are you going to stop ladies receiving abuse on here? The site provides the tools for us to protect ourselves. You are saying we are rude to use those tools. So how are you going to stop the abuse. This is for on site only, for all the abuse that ladies receive, not off site, I can't hold you responsible for that. But if we are not to use the tools the site provides I look forward to hearing your suggestion to stop the abuse. | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x So how are YOU going to change it so I don't get abuse for rejecting people? You can't! I can - by not replying and blocking. I'm happy with that. If you aren't then YOU must try harder to stop me getting abusive messages. If YOU had blocked me and ignored me flatly AFTER you had chosen to give me your WhatsApp to communicate with you, then the behaviour would say a lot more about YOU then about me. X I would:1. Not give anyone my whatsapp 2. If I did there would be a reason for the block, namely their behaviour. So come on - how are you going to stop ladies receiving abuse on here? The site provides the tools for us to protect ourselves. You are saying we are rude to use those tools. So how are you going to stop the abuse. This is for on site only, for all the abuse that ladies receive, not off site, I can't hold you responsible for that. But if we are not to use the tools the site provides I look forward to hearing your suggestion to stop the abuse." Please do not distort my words. I never generalised; I never said you are being rude for not replying to somebody in whom you are not interested. In my example I was the recipient of unprovoked rudeness, I didn't send abusive messages to somebody who had clearly stated in their profile 'if we don't respond, we're not interested'. | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x So how are YOU going to change it so I don't get abuse for rejecting people? You can't! I can - by not replying and blocking. I'm happy with that. If you aren't then YOU must try harder to stop me getting abusive messages. If YOU had blocked me and ignored me flatly AFTER you had chosen to give me your WhatsApp to communicate with you, then the behaviour would say a lot more about YOU then about me. X Not forgetting people who send abusive messages by PM, purely because they disagree with something your reply to on a thread, and then block you so you can't reply. Cowards." Or people with obnoxious ignorant attitudes who deliberately antagonise other people, about issues from past threads...cowards! xx | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x So how are YOU going to change it so I don't get abuse for rejecting people? You can't! I can - by not replying and blocking. I'm happy with that. If you aren't then YOU must try harder to stop me getting abusive messages. If YOU had blocked me and ignored me flatly AFTER you had chosen to give me your WhatsApp to communicate with you, then the behaviour would say a lot more about YOU then about me. X I would:1. Not give anyone my whatsapp 2. If I did there would be a reason for the block, namely their behaviour. So come on - how are you going to stop ladies receiving abuse on here? The site provides the tools for us to protect ourselves. You are saying we are rude to use those tools. So how are you going to stop the abuse. This is for on site only, for all the abuse that ladies receive, not off site, I can't hold you responsible for that. But if we are not to use the tools the site provides I look forward to hearing your suggestion to stop the abuse. Please do not distort my words. I never generalised; I never said you are being rude for not replying to somebody in whom you are not interested. In my example I was the recipient of unprovoked rudeness, I didn't send abusive messages to somebody who had clearly stated in their profile 'if we don't respond, we're not interested'. The issue is not taking rejection like a civilised adult. Unfortunately you can never tell who is and who isn't, so many of us chose to block. That's the tools the site gives us and protects us. If that's an issue for you then I hope you get it resolved." And once again, what YOU are talking about is not what I am talking about. If you want to block outright people in whom you are not interested, please carry on x | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x So how are YOU going to change it so I don't get abuse for rejecting people? You can't! I can - by not replying and blocking. I'm happy with that. If you aren't then YOU must try harder to stop me getting abusive messages. If YOU had blocked me and ignored me flatly AFTER you had chosen to give me your WhatsApp to communicate with you, then the behaviour would say a lot more about YOU then about me. X I would:1. Not give anyone my whatsapp 2. If I did there would be a reason for the block, namely their behaviour. So come on - how are you going to stop ladies receiving abuse on here? The site provides the tools for us to protect ourselves. You are saying we are rude to use those tools. So how are you going to stop the abuse. This is for on site only, for all the abuse that ladies receive, not off site, I can't hold you responsible for that. But if we are not to use the tools the site provides I look forward to hearing your suggestion to stop the abuse. Please do not distort my words. I never generalised; I never said you are being rude for not replying to somebody in whom you are not interested. In my example I was the recipient of unprovoked rudeness, I didn't send abusive messages to somebody who had clearly stated in their profile 'if we don't respond, we're not interested'. The issue is not taking rejection like a civilised adult. Unfortunately you can never tell who is and who isn't, so many of us chose to block. That's the tools the site gives us and protects us. If that's an issue for you then I hope you get it resolved. And once again, what YOU are talking about is not what I am talking about. If you want to block outright people in whom you are not interested, please carry on x" I will. Thank you for your permission | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x So how are YOU going to change it so I don't get abuse for rejecting people? You can't! I can - by not replying and blocking. I'm happy with that. If you aren't then YOU must try harder to stop me getting abusive messages. If YOU had blocked me and ignored me flatly AFTER you had chosen to give me your WhatsApp to communicate with you, then the behaviour would say a lot more about YOU then about me. X I would:1. Not give anyone my whatsapp 2. If I did there would be a reason for the block, namely their behaviour. So come on - how are you going to stop ladies receiving abuse on here? The site provides the tools for us to protect ourselves. You are saying we are rude to use those tools. So how are you going to stop the abuse. This is for on site only, for all the abuse that ladies receive, not off site, I can't hold you responsible for that. But if we are not to use the tools the site provides I look forward to hearing your suggestion to stop the abuse. Please do not distort my words. I never generalised; I never said you are being rude for not replying to somebody in whom you are not interested. In my example I was the recipient of unprovoked rudeness, I didn't send abusive messages to somebody who had clearly stated in their profile 'if we don't respond, we're not interested'. The issue is not taking rejection like a civilised adult. Unfortunately you can never tell who is and who isn't, so many of us chose to block. That's the tools the site gives us and protects us. If that's an issue for you then I hope you get it resolved. And once again, what YOU are talking about is not what I am talking about. If you want to block outright people in whom you are not interested, please carry on x I will. Thank you for your permission " no problem x | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x I think preventing abuse ("what did you expect, why didn't you protect yourself?") trumps not being rude. Erm, I think we are talking—in my example—about being rude after you have willingly given your phone number to a polite guy—me—in the first place. So, no; in my example, preventing abuse does not trump not being rude, because simply I wasn’t being rude. They weren't to know you wouldn't become rude if they told you they weren't interested anymore so the easy thing is to block. That's the point here, nobody knows if someone will become rude so they block to prevent it happening. No; the whole point of my example i that they were sending me sex videos and photos of theirs, and telling me they w e r e interested. And then, I got outright blocked from everywhere without the slightest indication.... I know what you're trying to say but I'm telling you they might have changed their mind, their circumstances might have changed etc then they blocked you to prevent any nastiness. So, what would have been your thoughts if you were in a nice conversation with somebody and then they just blanked you, just to prevent any nastiness from you?" Them's the breaks. Happens a lot. | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x I think preventing abuse ("what did you expect, why didn't you protect yourself?") trumps not being rude. Erm, I think we are talking—in my example—about being rude after you have willingly given your phone number to a polite guy—me—in the first place. So, no; in my example, preventing abuse does not trump not being rude, because simply I wasn’t being rude. They weren't to know you wouldn't become rude if they told you they weren't interested anymore so the easy thing is to block. That's the point here, nobody knows if someone will become rude so they block to prevent it happening. No; the whole point of my example i that they were sending me sex videos and photos of theirs, and telling me they w e r e interested. And then, I got outright blocked from everywhere without the slightest indication.... I know what you're trying to say but I'm telling you they might have changed their mind, their circumstances might have changed etc then they blocked you to prevent any nastiness. So, what would have been your thoughts if you were in a nice conversation with somebody and then they just blanked you, just to prevent any nastiness from you?" Loads of men have suddenly gone silent on me, some even after we had arranged a place and time to mert, I just pulled up my big girl pants and moved the fuck on. It's not difficult. | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x I think preventing abuse ("what did you expect, why didn't you protect yourself?") trumps not being rude. Erm, I think we are talking—in my example—about being rude after you have willingly given your phone number to a polite guy—me—in the first place. So, no; in my example, preventing abuse does not trump not being rude, because simply I wasn’t being rude. They weren't to know you wouldn't become rude if they told you they weren't interested anymore so the easy thing is to block. That's the point here, nobody knows if someone will become rude so they block to prevent it happening. No; the whole point of my example i that they were sending me sex videos and photos of theirs, and telling me they w e r e interested. And then, I got outright blocked from everywhere without the slightest indication.... There will have been a reason for the blocking - maybe you said something they didn't like, maybe you were overbearing, maybe women talk and something has been said about you. Who knows? Only the person doing the blocking. Does it matter in the grand scheme of things - no. Unless Fab is your life time to move on." No; there was no reason to have blocked me and it was completely unprovoked. Please don't make personal assumptions. I don't need to copy-paste all my whatsapp conversations to prove my honesty in the forums of websites. x | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x I think preventing abuse ("what did you expect, why didn't you protect yourself?") trumps not being rude. Erm, I think we are talking—in my example—about being rude after you have willingly given your phone number to a polite guy—me—in the first place. So, no; in my example, preventing abuse does not trump not being rude, because simply I wasn’t being rude. They weren't to know you wouldn't become rude if they told you they weren't interested anymore so the easy thing is to block. That's the point here, nobody knows if someone will become rude so they block to prevent it happening. No; the whole point of my example i that they were sending me sex videos and photos of theirs, and telling me they w e r e interested. And then, I got outright blocked from everywhere without the slightest indication.... There will have been a reason for the blocking - maybe you said something they didn't like, maybe you were overbearing, maybe women talk and something has been said about you. Who knows? Only the person doing the blocking. Does it matter in the grand scheme of things - no. Unless Fab is your life time to move on. No; there was no reason to have blocked me and it was completely unprovoked. Please don't make personal assumptions. I don't need to copy-paste all my whatsapp conversations to prove my honesty in the forums of websites. x" There was a reason. There always is. Just because it's not obvious to you doesn't mean there is one. The reason is decided by the blockee not you. They were not personal assumptions they were general reasons people block and only a few, there are many more. So please do not assume they are personal assumptions. | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x I think preventing abuse ("what did you expect, why didn't you protect yourself?") trumps not being rude. Erm, I think we are talking—in my example—about being rude after you have willingly given your phone number to a polite guy—me—in the first place. So, no; in my example, preventing abuse does not trump not being rude, because simply I wasn’t being rude. They weren't to know you wouldn't become rude if they told you they weren't interested anymore so the easy thing is to block. That's the point here, nobody knows if someone will become rude so they block to prevent it happening. No; the whole point of my example i that they were sending me sex videos and photos of theirs, and telling me they w e r e interested. And then, I got outright blocked from everywhere without the slightest indication.... There will have been a reason for the blocking - maybe you said something they didn't like, maybe you were overbearing, maybe women talk and something has been said about you. Who knows? Only the person doing the blocking. Does it matter in the grand scheme of things - no. Unless Fab is your life time to move on. No; there was no reason to have blocked me and it was completely unprovoked. Please don't make personal assumptions. I don't need to copy-paste all my whatsapp conversations to prove my honesty in the forums of websites. x There was a reason. There always is. Just because it's not obvious to you doesn't mean there is one. The reason is decided by the blockee not you. They were not personal assumptions they were general reasons people block and only a few, there are many more. So please do not assume they are personal assumptions. "maybe you said something they didn't like, maybe you were overbearing" that seemed quite personal and it wasn't true in my case" General examples. You are v sensitive. I will leave you to you opinions. Bye. | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x I think preventing abuse ("what did you expect, why didn't you protect yourself?") trumps not being rude. Erm, I think we are talking—in my example—about being rude after you have willingly given your phone number to a polite guy—me—in the first place. So, no; in my example, preventing abuse does not trump not being rude, because simply I wasn’t being rude. They weren't to know you wouldn't become rude if they told you they weren't interested anymore so the easy thing is to block. That's the point here, nobody knows if someone will become rude so they block to prevent it happening. No; the whole point of my example i that they were sending me sex videos and photos of theirs, and telling me they w e r e interested. And then, I got outright blocked from everywhere without the slightest indication.... There will have been a reason for the blocking - maybe you said something they didn't like, maybe you were overbearing, maybe women talk and something has been said about you. Who knows? Only the person doing the blocking. Does it matter in the grand scheme of things - no. Unless Fab is your life time to move on. No; there was no reason to have blocked me and it was completely unprovoked. Please don't make personal assumptions. I don't need to copy-paste all my whatsapp conversations to prove my honesty in the forums of websites. x There was a reason. There always is. Just because it's not obvious to you doesn't mean there is one. The reason is decided by the blockee not you. They were not personal assumptions they were general reasons people block and only a few, there are many more. So please do not assume they are personal assumptions. "maybe you said something they didn't like, maybe you were overbearing" that seemed quite personal and it wasn't true in my case" How do you know that? You don't know what they might be offended by it what they might find overbearing. They had a reason to block you, there's never no reason for someone doing something. | |||
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"It’s just all so very rude!!...totally understand people may not be confident enough to meet or shy but respect for someone else isn’t a lot to ask for?...we have just spent weeks chatting to someone then they vanished. Would rather it ended at the beginning with honesty rather than getting invested and then ignored Total waste of time " Here here | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x I think preventing abuse ("what did you expect, why didn't you protect yourself?") trumps not being rude. Erm, I think we are talking—in my example—about being rude after you have willingly given your phone number to a polite guy—me—in the first place. So, no; in my example, preventing abuse does not trump not being rude, because simply I wasn’t being rude. They weren't to know you wouldn't become rude if they told you they weren't interested anymore so the easy thing is to block. That's the point here, nobody knows if someone will become rude so they block to prevent it happening. No; the whole point of my example i that they were sending me sex videos and photos of theirs, and telling me they w e r e interested. And then, I got outright blocked from everywhere without the slightest indication.... There will have been a reason for the blocking - maybe you said something they didn't like, maybe you were overbearing, maybe women talk and something has been said about you. Who knows? Only the person doing the blocking. Does it matter in the grand scheme of things - no. Unless Fab is your life time to move on. No; there was no reason to have blocked me and it was completely unprovoked. Please don't make personal assumptions. I don't need to copy-paste all my whatsapp conversations to prove my honesty in the forums of websites. x There was a reason. There always is. Just because it's not obvious to you doesn't mean there is one. The reason is decided by the blockee not you. They were not personal assumptions they were general reasons people block and only a few, there are many more. So please do not assume they are personal assumptions. "maybe you said something they didn't like, maybe you were overbearing" that seemed quite personal and it wasn't true in my case How do you know that? You don't know what they might be offended by it what they might find overbearing. They had a reason to block you, there's never no reason for someone doing something. " "They had a reason to block you, there's never no reason for someone doing something"...and how do YOU know that? | |||
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""They had a reason to block you, there's never no reason for someone doing something"...and how do YOU know that?" Science and psychology. There is always a reason behind someone's actions and reactions. If someone blocked you, they in their own decision making process, decided to block you. Noone here can possibly know the reason but your sensitivity and sense of entitlement might give a few of us grounds for suspicion | |||
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"Of course it is an issue; it is wrong but then so is the other. I don’t think one rude thing justifies another, at least not indiscriminately x I think preventing abuse ("what did you expect, why didn't you protect yourself?") trumps not being rude. Erm, I think we are talking—in my example—about being rude after you have willingly given your phone number to a polite guy—me—in the first place. So, no; in my example, preventing abuse does not trump not being rude, because simply I wasn’t being rude. They weren't to know you wouldn't become rude if they told you they weren't interested anymore so the easy thing is to block. That's the point here, nobody knows if someone will become rude so they block to prevent it happening. No; the whole point of my example i that they were sending me sex videos and photos of theirs, and telling me they w e r e interested. And then, I got outright blocked from everywhere without the slightest indication...." They didn't block you for no reason. Whenever anybody blocks somebody they do it for a reason. When I block somebody it is for a reason. It may have been something you said that made them change their mind about you. I don't know why they blocked you but I do know they will have blocked you for a reason. | |||
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"People frequently do things without reason, just because they feel like it. " That's a reason, because they felt like it. | |||
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