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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " Condoms. Always. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " Most swingers would have caught something at some point in there swinging life. Trouble is who will admit to catching Chlamydia? | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " Get tested ffs! What a load of shite trusting the nos of veris. We could have fucked 1000's and have 5 veris!! | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Most swingers would have caught something at some point in there swinging life. Trouble is who will admit to catching Chlamydia?" My first bf gave me chlamydia at 17. I was a virgin. Course of antibiotics got rid. I survived. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Most swingers would have caught something at some point in there swinging life. Trouble is who will admit to catching Chlamydia?" I never have thanks | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Most swingers would have caught something at some point in there swinging life. Trouble is who will admit to catching Chlamydia?" Speak for yourself pal.....very 'swinging' statement to make there. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Most swingers would have caught something at some point in there swinging life. Trouble is who will admit to catching Chlamydia?" Where are you getting your information from? | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " It really has nothing to do with how many partners people have....it's what you do. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Condoms. Always." I like to wear a cagoule, a nice knee length one, secure and tight. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks " What a crock of shit | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit" What don't you agree with? | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with?" The first goo paragraphs of your rant | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with?" Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? The first goo paragraphs of your rant " It's not a rant. As much as 25% of the population (mainly females) have gential herpes. An even higher number have oral herpes (50%+). Condoms won't fully protect against either of these. Given that this community is likely more promiscuous than average - we can inflate these stats. Any individual who has slept with more than 10 people (to pick a highish number) will have a reasonably high chance of having one or the other. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air." I'd argue 90% seems fairly reasonable based on those stats. Regardless - the point remains that the majority on this site will likely have one or the other. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air. I'd argue 90% seems fairly reasonable based on those stats. Regardless - the point remains that the majority on this site will likely have one or the other." Why you here then if we are all so infected?? | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air. I'd argue 90% seems fairly reasonable based on those stats. Regardless - the point remains that the majority on this site will likely have one or the other. Why you here then if we are all so infected??" I'm willing to accept the risks associated with sex. Are you? | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air." Genital herpes is HSV2 - you haven't got a clue have you? | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks HSV-1 is not an STI - if you think it is then it's easy to make a judgment about the reliability of the rest of your post." This is incorrect. An STI is an infection which is transmitted sexually. HSV-1 (usually oral herpes) can be transmitted sexually. Whether it be through kissing, or through oral sex (in turn, giving the recipient genital herpes). One can also get oral herpes from performing oral sex on someone with gential herpes. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air.Genital herpes is HSV2 - you haven't got a clue have you?" Genital herpes can also be HSV-1. Similarly, HSV-2 can exist on the mouth | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air.Genital herpes is HSV2 - you haven't got a clue have you?" If I haven't got a clue then nor has the NHS Sexual Health site I referenced that I lifted that information from!!  | |||
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"*HSV (dagnammit!) And yes, oral herpes are freaking coldsores. Everyone has had one of those at some point - definitely not a sexually transmitted infection. My points in my last post still stand though." Despite your typo Elcee you inadvertently made a good point about HPV which like HSV is fairly prevalent and not something that is tested for in men, and only routinely tested for in women as part of a smear test I believe and is the cause behind genital warts which are also largely harmless but *can* lead to cervical cancer in some strains. | |||
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"90% I doubt that very much, I think you will find that most singers, insist on protection, the youth of today got more chance of contacting an STI than swingers.Wherever did you get that percentage from. If I had to guess on a percentage I would think quite a lot lower. Couples for example, wouldn't really risk bareback, lots of men on here who are not really single, would risk it,don't forget swingers are sensible in most cases, and are choosy who they meet, the genuine swingers of course,and only them without any brains would risk bareback sex. And in that case most swingers don't. " Condoms however do not protect against either genital herpes or genital warts both of which can be passed on through skin to skin contact and can reside in areas that a condom doesn't cover. As the figures I pasted higher up show - estimates are that around 60% of people in Western Europe carry the virus (HSV) that is behind genital herpes, and whilst I personally think the 90% figure is a little high - the fact that swingers are a higher risk group for STIs including HSV it stands to reason that a large proportion are going to have come into contact with it, and are unable to prevent it's transmission no matter how "safe" they are. | |||
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"90% I doubt that very much, I think you will find that most singers, insist on protection, the youth of today got more chance of contacting an STI than swingers.Wherever did you get that percentage from. If I had to guess on a percentage I would think quite a lot lower. Couples for example, wouldn't really risk bareback, lots of men on here who are not really single, would risk it,don't forget swingers are sensible in most cases, and are choosy who they meet, the genuine swingers of course,and only them without any brains would risk bareback sex. And in that case most swingers don't. " Comdoms don't safeguard against herpes. A large portion of the population already have herpes. I've only inflated the stats to account for this being a relatively small community that as a large amount of sex | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " Hi there! You must be new here... | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air. I'd argue 90% seems fairly reasonable based on those stats. Regardless - the point remains that the majority on this site will likely have one or the other. Why you here then if we are all so infected?? I'm willing to accept the risks associated with sex. Are you? " | |||
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"No one (I'm guessing) has a verification from every meet, there are people who've met hundreds and may not show all or any. As a previous poster said, invest in your own health and take precautions that you're comfortable with." As you say, it's all about what you yourself are comfortable with, and this could easily vary with different partners and/or activities. And just for the record I have had two STI which were picked up by regular testing and cured. Yes it has made me more cautious. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air.Genital herpes is HSV2 - you haven't got a clue have you? If I haven't got a clue then nor has the NHS Sexual Health site I referenced that I lifted that information from!! "Do try harder. You lifted the quote from the webpage of a private contractor, who do work for some NHS trusts, whose primary aim is to promote their testing service since they get paid per test. 'Nuff said. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Most swingers would have caught something at some point in there swinging life. Trouble is who will admit to catching Chlamydia?" Erm me. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " Antibiotics. And keeping my fingers crossed. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Most swingers would have caught something at some point in there swinging life. Trouble is who will admit to catching Chlamydia? Erm me." Exactly, if you haven't had chlamydia, you're not trying hard enough in my opinion. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air.Genital herpes is HSV2 - you haven't got a clue have you? If I haven't got a clue then nor has the NHS Sexual Health site I referenced that I lifted that information from!!
Do try harder. You lifted the quote from the webpage of a private contractor, who do work for some NHS trusts, whose primary aim is to promote their testing service since they get paid per test.
'Nuff said.
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Regardless of where I found the information, it's a bona fide and verifiable source but if it's not good enough for you perhaps the World Health Organisation site (which says pretty much the same thing) would be better:
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/herpes-simplex-virus
Making sniping remarks doesn't change the FACT that HSV (in both it's forms) is an STI that is not routinely tested for and that many people will have without knowing it, and will in all likelihood have come into contact with at some point if they are sexually active with multiple partners. There is also NOTHING that can be done to prevent it's transmission, other than remaining monogomous for life. On the positive side it is largely harmless.
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Most swingers would have caught something at some point in there swinging life. Trouble is who will admit to catching Chlamydia? Erm me. Exactly, if you haven't had chlamydia, you're not trying hard enough in my opinion. " It's like a badge of honour,funny how non of the four guy's confessed to having it though when I informed them after they apparently got tested. One wasn't very convincing in his reply. Slightly embarrassing when the nurse guy asked for their name's,I just about remembered their first name bugger if I knew all their surnames. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Most swingers would have caught something at some point in there swinging life. Trouble is who will admit to catching Chlamydia? Erm me. Exactly, if you haven't had chlamydia, you're not trying hard enough in my opinion. It's like a badge of honour,funny how non of the four guy's confessed to having it though when I informed them after they apparently got tested. One wasn't very convincing in his reply. Slightly embarrassing when the nurse guy asked for their name's,I just about remembered their first name bugger if I knew all their surnames." I just got given a box of tablets and a wink. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Get tested ffs! What a load of shite trusting the nos of veris. We could have fucked 1000's and have 5 veris!!" | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " We've not had any std  | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " No I don't ask, there's no point. Many don't get tested. Many don't care. Many would lie even if they had something. Doesn't matter if they have 1 or 1,000 veris. It only takes 1 to catch something. The ones with more veris are actually probably 'safer' as they are more likely to be getting regular tests. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " Right there's been some good responses to this. For example you could catch something on your first meet and might only have two veris. Another being some might only show a few yet might have loads of meets elsewhere. If I might as a couple more contributions. Firstly People under a certain age who are too young to remember the AIDS "hysteria" during the 80's maybe a little less paranoid regards wearing condom's. Due to the internet and the sheer volume of information available these days and access to sexual health clinics perhaps people have adopted a reactive rather than proactive approach to sexual health. Meaning dealing with the consequences rather than prevention in first place. As someone pointed out that the youth these days aren't scared. Perhaps that's due to the amount of porn that people watch a whole generation has grown up watching it assuming everyone does bareback anal ! | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Most swingers would have caught something at some point in there swinging life. Trouble is who will admit to catching Chlamydia? Erm me. Exactly, if you haven't had chlamydia, you're not trying hard enough in my opinion. It's like a badge of honour,funny how non of the four guy's confessed to having it though when I informed them after they apparently got tested. One wasn't very convincing in his reply. Slightly embarrassing when the nurse guy asked for their name's,I just about remembered their first name bugger if I knew all their surnames. I just got given a box of tablets and a wink. " That would have been easier,they just like to cross reference and keep track. Me saying Bob from Sheffield isn't that helpful though,I doubt if the all the men knew my surname either. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? No I don't ask, there's no point. Many don't get tested. Many don't care. Many would lie even if they had something. Doesn't matter if they have 1 or 1,000 veris. It only takes 1 to catch something. The ones with more veris are actually probably 'safer' as they are more likely to be getting regular tests." Very true. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? Right there's been some good responses to this. For example you could catch something on your first meet and might only have two veris. Another being some might only show a few yet might have loads of meets elsewhere. If I might as a couple more contributions. Firstly People under a certain age who are too young to remember the AIDS "hysteria" during the 80's maybe a little less paranoid regards wearing condom's. Due to the internet and the sheer volume of information available these days and access to sexual health clinics perhaps people have adopted a reactive rather than proactive approach to sexual health. Meaning dealing with the consequences rather than prevention in first place. *** As someone pointed out that the youth these days aren't scared. Perhaps that's due to the amount of porn that people watch a whole generation has grown up watching it assuming everyone does bareback anal ! " *** | |||
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"Also people lie!! Shock horror. The patronising, sanctimonious , holier than thou brigade who say I only meet once a year. Sorry I don't believe that for a second. What you mean is you only show one verification a year, you could be shagging 20 people a week. Ultimately it's down to trust and a certain amount of luck ." No, it's down to taking responsibility for your own sexual health, being as informed as you possibly can be, getting regularly tested and not trusting it to others | |||
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"Also people lie!! Shock horror. The patronising, sanctimonious , holier than thou brigade who say I only meet once a year. Sorry I don't believe that for a second. What you mean is you only show one verification a year, you could be shagging 20 people a week. Ultimately it's down to trust and a certain amount of luck . No, it's down to taking responsibility for your own sexual health, being as informed as you possibly can be, getting regularly tested and not trusting it to others "Yeah sorry I accidentally sent the message before I finished my point. I agree with you. My point was that even with precautions and education there has to be trust and luck involved. Let's be honest during a meet even the most careful person could be exposed in some way or another to an infection. For example herpes can be spread via skin on skin so kissing, rubbing, bodies together and so on. Just because you wear a rubber and get tested it doesn't mean you are 100% safe. But I'm sure you know that. Like I said a certain amount of luck is involved. | |||
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"I use condoms, get tested regularly and don’t meet people who are playing bare back in pictures or been verified by people who play bare back... And I wonder why I don’t meet much lol." You do realise that some people may lie? Or choose not to put up verifications from said people or not put up bareback pictures. Doesn't mean that they don't do it! Plus don't forget accidental breakages or slipped off condom's. It's not a full proof system. But doing a risk assessment and eliminating the obvious risks is certainly not a bad idea. | |||
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"I've never caught an sti at all.. Ever! Am I doing something wrong? How do you know you haven't?" Check ups? | |||
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"I've never caught an sti at all.. Ever! Am I doing something wrong? How do you know you haven't? Check ups?
Most of the time, you'll never even know you've had HPV, because most strains (except those that cause warts) are symptomless. And in 90 percent of cases, the immune system clears the virus naturally within two years.
Check up don't test for hpv,so again how do you know you haven't had an sti? "No wonder your profile's not available.. | |||
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"I've never caught an sti at all.. Ever! Am I doing something wrong? How do you know you haven't? Check ups?
Most of the time, you'll never even know you've had HPV, because most strains (except those that cause warts) are symptomless. And in 90 percent of cases, the immune system clears the virus naturally within two years.
Check up don't test for hpv,so again how do you know you haven't had an sti?
No wonder your profile's not available..
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks HSV-1 is not an STI - if you think it is then it's easy to make a judgment about the reliability of the rest of your post. This is incorrect. An STI is an infection which is transmitted sexually. HSV-1 (usually oral herpes) can be transmitted sexually. Whether it be through kissing, or through oral sex (in turn, giving the recipient genital herpes). One can also get oral herpes from performing oral sex on someone with gential herpes. " There is a difference between an infection that can be and is only transmitted sexually. Thrush can be transmitted sexually but it's not an STI. Colds can be transmitted sexually but they're not an STI. | |||
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"I've never caught an sti at all.. Ever! Am I doing something wrong? How do you know you haven't? Check ups?
Most of the time, you'll never even know you've had HPV, because most strains (except those that cause warts) are symptomless. And in 90 percent of cases, the immune system clears the virus naturally within two years.
Check up don't test for hpv,so again how do you know you haven't had an sti?
No wonder your profile's not available..
Don't worry chuck we'll all educate you."You really don't need to. | |||
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"I've never caught an sti at all.. Ever! Am I doing something wrong? How do you know you haven't? Check ups?
Most of the time, you'll never even know you've had HPV, because most strains (except those that cause warts) are symptomless. And in 90 percent of cases, the immune system clears the virus naturally within two years.
Check up don't test for hpv,so again how do you know you haven't had an sti?
No wonder your profile's not available..
Don't worry chuck we'll all educate you.
You really don't need to. "Yes we clearly do. | |||
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Most of the time, you'll never even know you've had HPV, because most strains (except those that cause warts) are symptomless. And in 90 percent of cases, the immune system clears the virus naturally within two years.
Check up don't test for hpv,so again how do you know you haven't had an sti?
No wonder your profile's not available..
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Most of the time, you'll never even know you've had HPV, because most strains (except those that cause warts) are symptomless. And in 90 percent of cases, the immune system clears the virus naturally within two years.
Check up don't test for hpv,so again how do you know you haven't had an sti?
No wonder your profile's not available..
Don't worry chuck we'll all educate you.
You really don't need to.
Yes we clearly do."They don't test for herpes unless you have an open wound either, I know as eczema means I can be tested, when it flares up  | |||
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Most of the time, you'll never even know you've had HPV, because most strains (except those that cause warts) are symptomless. And in 90 percent of cases, the immune system clears the virus naturally within two years.
Check up don't test for hpv,so again how do you know you haven't had an sti?
No wonder your profile's not available..
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But your last meet was two years ago according to your verifications?
So you get tested even though your not playing.
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But your last meet was two years ago according to your verifications?
So you get tested even though your not playing.
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Verification dates do not = last meet."Exactly and that's one of my points people who only meet people who have a few veris can't guarantee that the person is being truthful with amount of meets and when they are having them. It's a flawed logic. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks HSV-1 is not an STI - if you think it is then it's easy to make a judgment about the reliability of the rest of your post. This is incorrect. An STI is an infection which is transmitted sexually. HSV-1 (usually oral herpes) can be transmitted sexually. Whether it be through kissing, or through oral sex (in turn, giving the recipient genital herpes). One can also get oral herpes from performing oral sex on someone with gential herpes. There is a difference between an infection that can be and is only transmitted sexually. Thrush can be transmitted sexually but it's not an STI. Colds can be transmitted sexually but they're not an STI." Some STIs can be contracted where no sexual intercourse occurs (e.g. sharing needles). My point is that oral and gential herpes are both generally STIs as they are predominantly contracted via some form of sexual intercourse. What matters is that if you've ever had cold sores in your life - you are at risk of giving something either oral or genital herpes. We could debate all day as to whether oral herpes is an STI or not - but it ultimately doesn't matter. | |||
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"I've never caught an sti at all.. Ever! Am I doing something wrong? How do you know you haven't? Check ups?
But your last meet was two years ago according to your verifications?
So you get tested even though your not playing.
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Verification dates do not = last meet.
Exactly and that's one of my points people who only meet people who have a few veris can't guarantee that the person is being truthful with amount of meets and when they are having them.
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" My point is that oral and gential herpes are both generally STIs as they are predominantly contracted via some form of sexual intercourse. What matters is that if you've ever had cold sores in your life - you are at risk of giving something either oral or genital herpes. We could debate all day as to whether oral herpes is an STI or not - but it ultimately doesn't matter. " I agree with most of what you have said in the thread but can i ask about this because i feel like i read the entire internet contents on HSV the last time i had both a boyfriend and a cold sore because i wanted to know if we should not be having sex 
I thought i read (but my memory is crap so might be wrong) that there are 2 strains HSV1 &2 and in most cases 1 is genital and 1 is oral , and it was very unsual (but not impossible) for someone with oral to pass to genital or vice versa? Possibly also that if you have one its unlikely you will get the other due to the antibodies now in your system? Or is it just that 1 strain cant cause the other, the body parts it is on are totally unrelated ? | |||
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But your last meet was two years ago according to your verifications?
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Most of the time, you'll never even know you've had HPV, because most strains (except those that cause warts) are symptomless. And in 90 percent of cases, the immune system clears the virus naturally within two years.
Check up don't test for hpv,so again how do you know you haven't had an sti?
No wonder your profile's not available..
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" My point is that oral and gential herpes are both generally STIs as they are predominantly contracted via some form of sexual intercourse. What matters is that if you've ever had cold sores in your life - you are at risk of giving something either oral or genital herpes. We could debate all day as to whether oral herpes is an STI or not - but it ultimately doesn't matter. I agree with most of what you have said in the thread but can i ask about this because i feel like i read the entire internet contents on HSV the last time i had both a boyfriend and a cold sore because i wanted to know if we should not be having sex
I thought i read (but my memory is crap so might be wrong) that there are 2 strains HSV1 &2 and in most cases 1 is genital and 1 is oral , and it was very unsual (but not impossible) for someone with oral to pass to genital or vice versa? Possibly also that if you have one its unlikely you will get the other due to the antibodies now in your system? Or is it just that 1 strain cant cause the other, the body parts it is on are totally unrelated ?"There's a couple of links I posted further upthread (one to an NHS sexual health site and one to the World Health Organisation site) both of which are worth a read | |||
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" My point is that oral and gential herpes are both generally STIs as they are predominantly contracted via some form of sexual intercourse. What matters is that if you've ever had cold sores in your life - you are at risk of giving something either oral or genital herpes. We could debate all day as to whether oral herpes is an STI or not - but it ultimately doesn't matter. I agree with most of what you have said in the thread but can i ask about this because i feel like i read the entire internet contents on HSV the last time i had both a boyfriend and a cold sore because i wanted to know if we should not be having sex
I thought i read (but my memory is crap so might be wrong) that there are 2 strains HSV1 &2 and in most cases 1 is genital and 1 is oral , and it was very unsual (but not impossible) for someone with oral to pass to genital or vice versa? Possibly also that if you have one its unlikely you will get the other due to the antibodies now in your system? Or is it just that 1 strain cant cause the other, the body parts it is on are totally unrelated ?
There's a couple of links I posted further upthread (one to an NHS sexual health site and one to the World Health Organisation site) both of which are worth a read "Yeah i went away and read again on WHO Hsv1 is generally oral herpes but can be transmitted to genitals Hsv2 is genital herpes and is almost exclusively passed on sexual gential to gential contact Even though hsv1 can be pssed from oral to genital, it is highly unlikely( alrgough they say no percentage) that someone who already has hsv1 in the oral region ( so approx 60% of the population) that you could also get hsv1 in the genital region. All paraphrased from WHO site for anyone that wants references So given that most people already get hsv1 as kids, if you get genital herpes , unless you let someone with active coldsores go down on you , the odds are it didn’t come from oral | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? The first goo paragraphs of your rant It's not a rant. As much as 25% of the population (mainly females) have gential herpes. An even higher number have oral herpes (50%+). Condoms won't fully protect against either of these. Given that this community is likely more promiscuous than average - we can inflate these stats. Any individual who has slept with more than 10 people (to pick a highish number) will have a reasonably high chance of having one or the other." HahHahahah this guy though  | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? The first goo paragraphs of your rant It's not a rant. As much as 25% of the population (mainly females) have gential herpes. An even higher number have oral herpes (50%+). Condoms won't fully protect against either of these. Given that this community is likely more promiscuous than average - we can inflate these stats. Any individual who has slept with more than 10 people (to pick a highish number) will have a reasonably high chance of having one or the other. HahHahahah this guy though "Herpes is extremely common and is easily transmitted (safe sex or not). If you're in denial regarding the risks - you probably shouldn't be on this site | |||
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"*HSV (dagnammit!) And yes, oral herpes are freaking coldsores. Everyone has had one of those at some point - definitely not a sexually transmitted infection. My points in my last post still stand though. Despite your typo Elcee you inadvertently made a good point about HPV which like HSV is fairly prevalent and not something that is tested for in men, and only routinely tested for in women as part of a smear test I believe and is the cause behind genital warts which are also largely harmless but *can* lead to cervical cancer in some strains." Yeah - it wasn’t a typo *laughs* I mixed up warts and herpes It was very late last night | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks " Considering that over 70% of the general population have contracted herpes, I think its safe to say that there's probably as much risk of meeting someone who's come into contact with Herpes on a nuns dating site - it's a highly communicable infection, but it's not necessarily sexual transmitted. We've over 130 veris, not all of them are from play meets. But we've had plenty... Without ever catching an STI... I would just like to point out, there's as much risk of us you catching an STI from your next meet, as there is for us from our next meet. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks Considering that over 70% of the general population have contracted herpes, I think its safe to say that there's probably as much risk of meeting someone who's come into contact with Herpes on a nuns dating site - it's a highly communicable infection, but it's not necessarily sexual transmitted. We've over 130 veris, not all of them are from play meets. But we've had plenty... Without ever catching an STI... I would just like to point out, there's as much risk of us you catching an STI from your next meet, as there is for us from our next meet. " If you have caught herpes - which is entirely feasible - you most likely won't show ant symptoms and therefore wouldn't know you have it It is not always transmitted sexually - but given that it usually is, there's a much higher risk that people on this site have it compared to the general population. | |||
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"Always practice safe sex? Easiest way to ensure you don't get an STI. Also regular checks anyway--seems daft not to especially since there's a site that sends out the testing kit for free and texts you your results Really? What site? Thats wayyyy more convenient than waiting months for appointments" Freetest. Me (all one sentence) I get tested every 2 months. It's so convenient. You can choose the options for blood tests as well. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " I've been swinging 23 years... had more than 50 meets... and not had an Sti.. ( well except my Subaru ) | |||
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"Always practice safe sex? Easiest way to ensure you don't get an STI. Also regular checks anyway--seems daft not to especially since there's a site that sends out the testing kit for free and texts you your results Really? What site? Thats wayyyy more convenient than waiting months for appointments" sh:24. They test for chlamydia, gonorrhoea, syphilis & HIV. They don't do oral swabs though, so best going to your local GUM for a full screen X | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? The first goo paragraphs of your rant It's not a rant. As much as 25% of the population (mainly females) have gential herpes. An even higher number have oral herpes (50%+). Condoms won't fully protect against either of these. Given that this community is likely more promiscuous than average - we can inflate these stats. Any individual who has slept with more than 10 people (to pick a highish number) will have a reasonably high chance of having one or the other. HahHahahah this guy though
Herpes is extremely common and is easily transmitted (safe sex or not).
If you're in denial regarding the risks - you probably shouldn't be on this site
"I can't judge everyone to have my standards, I can however partake in safe sex and regular check ups. You however are coming across as someone who has possibly had a bad experience and is harbouring deep seated issues over sex. Address those and maybe you'll not make flippant comments, like '90% or more swingers have STIs'. | |||
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"Always practice safe sex? Easiest way to ensure you don't get an STI. Also regular checks anyway--seems daft not to especially since there's a site that sends out the testing kit for free and texts you your results Really? What site? Thats wayyyy more convenient than waiting months for appointments sh:24. They test for chlamydia, gonorrhoea, syphilis & HIV. They don't do oral swabs though, so best going to your local GUM for a full screen X" They also don't cover all post codes. For me it is easier to go to my drop in clinic or the higher risk session and get tested then. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? The first goo paragraphs of your rant It's not a rant. As much as 25% of the population (mainly females) have gential herpes. An even higher number have oral herpes (50%+). Condoms won't fully protect against either of these. Given that this community is likely more promiscuous than average - we can inflate these stats. Any individual who has slept with more than 10 people (to pick a highish number) will have a reasonably high chance of having one or the other. HahHahahah this guy though
Herpes is extremely common and is easily transmitted (safe sex or not).
If you're in denial regarding the risks - you probably shouldn't be on this site
I can't judge everyone to have my standards, I can however partake in safe sex and regular check ups. You however are coming across as someone who has possibly had a bad experience and is harbouring deep seated issues over sex. Address those and maybe you'll not make flippant comments, like '90% or more swingers have STIs'. "It's highly probable that 90%+ of swingers on this site (at least those that have regular meets) do have an STI - if we're classing both oral and genital herpes as STIs. This is an educated guess based on the current stats. The actual 90% figure really doesn't matter. It could range from 60-90%. Point is, the likelihood of catching herpes through this site is significantly higher than most seem to believe. It's almost guaranteed that anyone arranging regular meets will have been exposed to it Raising awareness of this does not mean I have "deep seated issues over sex" | |||
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"I can't judge everyone to have my standards, I can however partake in safe sex and regular check ups. You however are coming across as someone who has possibly had a bad experience and is harbouring deep seated issues over sex. Address those and maybe you'll not make flippant comments, like '90% or more swingers have STIs'. "You see, I’m just not reading his comments in that way. If warts aren’t tested for with guys and herpes can remain dormant and not show up positive in tests even if you’re a carrier, both can be easily contracted when using condoms and can remain symptomless and if we agree that we probably sleep with a greater variety of people outside the 16-24 age bracket...then I can understand why someone might get a tad irritable about being shouted down for stating that we probably have a higher risk of carrying these infections and that we might not know we have them. We can be careful and get tested regularly but, at the end of the day it does nothing to stop us contracting them or finding out that we have. I personally don’t consider having either of these as not being clean. I am aware that many have it, and I’d deal with it, just like if I got a coldsore or a stye from someone. They’re not that important and I consider the gains I get from living in this lifestyle to outweigh the risks of contracting either of them. The reason I practice safe sex and get tested regularly are for the bad boys like HIV, chlamydia and syphilis. But his points still stand (even though I agree that 90%+ is too high a figure) If you’re making logical connections and people keep stating the same duff arguments against them...it doesn’t point to the logical person having a bad experience with sex. | |||
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"I can't judge everyone to have my standards, I can however partake in safe sex and regular check ups. You however are coming across as someone who has possibly had a bad experience and is harbouring deep seated issues over sex. Address those and maybe you'll not make flippant comments, like '90% or more swingers have STIs'.
You see, I’m just not reading his comments in that way.
If warts aren’t tested for with guys and herpes can remain dormant and not show up positive in tests even if you’re a carrier, both can be easily contracted when using condoms and can remain symptomless and if we agree that we probably sleep with a greater variety of people outside the 16-24 age bracket...then I can understand why someone might get a tad irritable about being shouted down for stating that we probably have a higher risk of carrying these infections and that we might not know we have them. We can be careful and get tested regularly but, at the end of the day it does nothing to stop us contracting them or finding out that we have.
I personally don’t consider having either of these as not being clean. I am aware that many have it, and I’d deal with it, just like if I got a coldsore or a stye from someone. They’re not that important and I consider the gains I get from living in this lifestyle to outweigh the risks of contracting either of them.
The reason I practice safe sex and get tested regularly are for the bad boys like HIV, chlamydia and syphilis.
But his points still stand (even though I agree that 90%+ is too high a figure) If you’re making logical connections and people keep stating the same duff arguments against them...it doesn’t point to the logical person having a bad experience with sex. "Agreed, I believe the risk is minimal if you practice safer sex and for me, the benefits of being in this lifestyle far outweigh the small risk. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? No I don't ask, there's no point. Many don't get tested. Many don't care. Many would lie even if they had something. Doesn't matter if they have 1 or 1,000 veris. It only takes 1 to catch something. The ones with more veris are actually probably 'safer' as they are more likely to be getting regular tests." But regular testing doesn't mean they're safer, or are you implying that tests reduce the risk, they only high light that an individual has or gas not contracted any. So to say they are safer isn't necessarily true, it just shows they are aware of the risk and want to know if they have contracted something. It's also a bit like an MOT, only good as the day the test is done. Some may not reveal themselves until after the test and so they may think they're clean but could be still infected. Not convinced your theory of those with higher meets are safer as you imply. | |||
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"One of my biggest obstacles to embracing swinging fully is hpv risk...it is directly linked to cervical cancer and condoms do not protect from it. I have heard people on here refer to hpv as akin to catching the common cold so they wouldnt bother to share the information with anyone on a meet if they had had their smear results through showing hpv, they would carry on swinging regardless..I've never heard anyone developing cancer from a common cold. men can easily catch hpv through oral sex and can pass it on this way too, this has been linked to the rise in oral cancers for men...also obviously it is passed through penetrative sex condoms or not...I can't quite accept this level of risk especially knowing people don't seem to care about it :0 ( " HPV can cause cancer ... it doesnt mean that it will and if you go for regular smear tests the chances are even lower On the flip side i had cervical cells burnt out while i was young and had only had 3 partners to date at that time, 2 of which had been monogamous relationships Sunbathing can cause cancer, smoking can cause cancer, drinking can cause cancer, apparently some kinds of foods can cause cancer ... almost everything has in some way been linked to cancer ... i definitely wont be avoiding sex to reduce my cancer risk | |||
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"One of my biggest obstacles to embracing swinging fully is hpv risk...it is directly linked to cervical cancer and condoms do not protect from it. I have heard people on here refer to hpv as akin to catching the common cold so they wouldnt bother to share the information with anyone on a meet if they had had their smear results through showing hpv, they would carry on swinging regardless..I've never heard anyone developing cancer from a common cold. men can easily catch hpv through oral sex and can pass it on this way too, this has been linked to the rise in oral cancers for men...also obviously it is passed through penetrative sex condoms or not...I can't quite accept this level of risk especially knowing people don't seem to care about it :0 ( " So are you celibate? | |||
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A thing that gets me is seeing people that state this "safe sex only" but their pictures show otherwise they've barebacked nearly every one with cream pies and a face full of cum ... .. so ummmm safe sex only? ....
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A thing that gets me is seeing people that state this "safe sex only" but their pictures show otherwise they've barebacked nearly every one with cream pies and a face full of cum ... .. so ummmm safe sex only? ....
Then state they get checked regularly and they're clear... If you practiced safe sex in first place then maybe you wouldn't need to state that you get checked so it's clear you don't use safe sex. so those profiles scream caution "Why is stating you get checked meaning that you don't actually have safer sex??? Even if someone uses condoms for oral... and penetrative sex... they should still be being tested. And cum on face is not the same as a cream pie.... not by a long way... | |||
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"Hpv can (often does) causes cancers but viral Hpv isn't considered as an sti yet its only skin to skin contact that passes it on. Condoms don't really protect you. It's a matter of risk limit your prepared to take" Untrue, hpv does not often cause cancer, only 1% of women have it for longer than 2 years, then out of that 1% some of those women will develop cancer. | |||
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"It is highly unlikely that a celibate person would have a profile on a swinging site! I know HPV doesnt automatically mean you will get cancer but it does greatly increase the risk - I have always tested clear all my life - I am now 43. The year after I got with my current partner (about 5 years ago) and we had 2 threesomes in that year with 2 other guys I tested positive for HPV in the january. It gave me a scare - I stopped any form of swinging not wanting to pass it onto anyone else and have them go through the same fear. I tested again and year later and it was gone and all is fine now, however I have 3 kids, it scared me - how guilty would I feel if I got cancer and died leaving them behind for a bit of sexual fun? I also have not got time to have cancer and no-one to support me with the kids if this should happen. I have watched my best friend and 2 aunties die of cancer. Everyone has to make their own decisions on what risks they are willing to take with any of the risk factors for cancer - this is just my personal take on it - I'm not expecting everyone else to take the same path. It would be nice if people were more aware of the risk though and felt ok to talk about it without fear of being shamed and 'accused' of being celibate. " I did not accuse you of being celibate, I asked you if you were, there's a huge difference. I also didn't shame you. | |||
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A thing that gets me is seeing people that state this "safe sex only" but their pictures show otherwise they've barebacked nearly every one with cream pies and a face full of cum ... .. so ummmm safe sex only? ....
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"Hpv can (often does) causes cancers but viral Hpv isn't considered as an sti yet its only skin to skin contact that passes it on. Condoms don't really protect you. It's a matter of risk limit your prepared to take Untrue, hpv does not often cause cancer, only 1% of women have it for longer than 2 years, then out of that 1% some of those women will develop cancer. " If this is true it would be massively reassuring for me - where did you get this info from? Do you have the links to the research or anything? | |||
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"Oh and just to add all the things I have talked about in the above posts I have just added equate to us being usually just very soft swap - I know very boring - yawn ywan, but each to his own - at least we are not just in watching cookery programs every night or whatever" I wasnt trying to shame you or suggest you were boring so apologies ... if you want to stay home watching cookery programmes thats yor business Just trying to put across a different view that might put the risk level into perspective | |||
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"One of my biggest obstacles to embracing swinging fully is hpv risk...it is directly linked to cervical cancer and condoms do not protect from it. I have heard people on here refer to hpv as akin to catching the common cold so they wouldnt bother to share the information with anyone on a meet if they had had their smear results through showing hpv, they would carry on swinging regardless..I've never heard anyone developing cancer from a common cold. men can easily catch hpv through oral sex and can pass it on this way too, this has been linked to the rise in oral cancers for men...also obviously it is passed through penetrative sex condoms or not...I can't quite accept this level of risk especially knowing people don't seem to care about it :0 ( HPV can cause cancer ... it doesnt mean that it will and if you go for regular smear tests the chances are even lower On the flip side i had cervical cells burnt out while i was young and had only had 3 partners to date at that time, 2 of which had been monogamous relationships Sunbathing can cause cancer, smoking can cause cancer, drinking can cause cancer, apparently some kinds of foods can cause cancer ... almost everything has in some way been linked to cancer ... i definitely wont be avoiding sex to reduce my cancer risk " I didnt think you were trying to shame me, the cookery program comment was a joke - and I agree with your perspective - you could be a virgin and just sleep with one person and get hpv its not specific to swinging and you are saying you are happy with the risk so, sincerely, good for you! As I said each to his/her own level of risk - I was just explaining my perspective as a person on the more cautious end of the spectrum - no-one is right or wrong just different x | |||
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"Hpv can (often does) causes cancers but viral Hpv isn't considered as an sti yet its only skin to skin contact that passes it on. Condoms don't really protect you. It's a matter of risk limit your prepared to take Untrue, hpv does not often cause cancer, only 1% of women have it for longer than 2 years, then out of that 1% some of those women will develop cancer. If this is true it would be massively reassuring for me - where did you get this info from? Do you have the links to the research or anything?" https://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2016/01/5-things-you-might-not-know-about-human-papillomavirus/ https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/human-papillomavirus-(hpv)-and-cervical-cancer https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/infectious-agents/hpv/hpv-and-cancer-info.html All of them state how small a chance it is that hpv will develop into cancer, and if you do the maths, you can easily see how small the percentage is that actually get cancer from hpv compared the the amount of people who have had the hpv virus. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks " Genital herpes is a fucker. Asymptomatic and can't be tested for until an outbreak. Condoms only partly protect. Basically it's a risk of *any sexual encounter, even safe. You've just got to hope of they know they'll be decent and tell you so you can assess what you do. I've had men say they were tested then afterwards (safe sex, bare oral) say it was 6 months ago! How many even get tested for oral and anal Chlamydia for instance? I used to go every 3 months regardless and have a full online record from when I'm in London. I think a service like that UK wide would be amazing instead of cutting sexual health services. Nuts. Trust no one!! | |||
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"Hpv can (often does) causes cancers but viral Hpv isn't considered as an sti yet its only skin to skin contact that passes it on. Condoms don't really protect you. It's a matter of risk limit your prepared to take Untrue, hpv does not often cause cancer, only 1% of women have it for longer than 2 years, then out of that 1% some of those women will develop cancer. If this is true it would be massively reassuring for me - where did you get this info from? Do you have the links to the research or anything? https://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2016/01/5-things-you-might-not-know-about-human-papillomavirus/ https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/human-papillomavirus-(hpv)-and-cervical-cancer https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/infectious-agents/hpv/hpv-and-cancer-info.html All of them state how small a chance it is that hpv will develop into cancer, and if you do the maths, you can easily see how small the percentage is that actually get cancer from hpv compared the the amount of people who have had the hpv virus." Great, thanks! Will check out the links tommorow when I on the computer x | |||
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"Hpv can (often does) causes cancers but viral Hpv isn't considered as an sti yet its only skin to skin contact that passes it on. Condoms don't really protect you. It's a matter of risk limit your prepared to take Untrue, hpv does not often cause cancer, only 1% of women have it for longer than 2 years, then out of that 1% some of those women will develop cancer. If this is true it would be massively reassuring for me - where did you get this info from? Do you have the links to the research or anything? https://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2016/01/5-things-you-might-not-know-about-human-papillomavirus/ https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/human-papillomavirus-(hpv)-and-cervical-cancer https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/infectious-agents/hpv/hpv-and-cancer-info.html All of them state how small a chance it is that hpv will develop into cancer, and if you do the maths, you can easily see how small the percentage is that actually get cancer from hpv compared the the amount of people who have had the hpv virus. Great, thanks! Will check out the links tommorow when I on the computer x" No problem, hpv honestly isn't as scary as people think. I did alot of research when they offered the vaccine to my daughter. | |||
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"This thread has been so interesting to read... so could someone technically catch herpes from some rather excitable prolonged rubbing up with someone else, even if they don’t end up having penetrative sex? I guess it could happen?" Skin to skin contact is exactly how it's primarily caught and one of the reasons condoms are not necessarily protection against it as it can be present in areas a condom doesn't cover - likewise with HPV (genital warts being one of the strands) | |||
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"This thread has been so interesting to read... so could someone technically catch herpes from some rather excitable prolonged rubbing up with someone else, even if they don’t end up having penetrative sex? I guess it could happen?" It really depends where you were rubbing, level of clothing, if they were having a breakout. If they were having a breakout and you were naked rubbing up against their sores, then yes, you could get it. | |||
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"This thread has been so interesting to read... so could someone technically catch herpes from some rather excitable prolonged rubbing up with someone else, even if they don’t end up having penetrative sex? I guess it could happen?" Yes (unfortunately). Herpes is spread through skin to skin contact - so "excitable rubbing" would actually be the easiest way to catch it. Try not to worry though - it's not the worst STI to have | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air. I'd argue 90% seems fairly reasonable based on those stats. Regardless - the point remains that the majority on this site will likely have one or the other." You are aware that oral herpes is common amongst people who aren't even sexually active, right? Everyone has had a coldsore in their life, that doesn't mean it's originated from sex. | |||
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"I fall smack onto the 40/50 veri category and not once have I ever tested positive for any std, it's called safe sex. I go to the clinic regularly just to be sure and on the odd occasion of condom mishap iv gone more. I rarely get verifications for my group sessions but on many occasions would hit the 40/50 number on one weekend.... although currently less active than previous due to change in me... However.... I've never tested positive for anything... and 23 years.. average it out at say 5 a week... do the maths .. "Not really sure what contribution that makes nor what to take from it either. So you regularly have many partners, you play safe and you've never contracted anything. That's good for you. Just trying to see how this applies to others and the topic. Some people's immune system may be very good and can either fight or keep some of these dormant. As has been said before clear results doesn't mean clear, it means not detected. This is because some can be dormant for years and years, another reason why testing should be done regularly even after leaving the lifestyle behind. | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? Actually the figures lifted directly from the NHS sexual health web site (sh24.org.uk) states the following for Genital Herpes (HSV): "The World Health Organisation estimates that 69% of women and 61% of men in Europe carry the type 1 virus - that is two thirds of the population." Even allowing for swingers being a higher risk category, I'd suggest your 90% figure is a little high based on those figures - rather than a number plucked from the air. I'd argue 90% seems fairly reasonable based on those stats. Regardless - the point remains that the majority on this site will likely have one or the other. You are aware that oral herpes is common amongst people who aren't even sexually active, right? Everyone has had a coldsore in their life, that doesn't mean it's originated from sex. " This isn't about whether it originated from sex - it's about understanding that if you've had a coldsore before, you are always going to be at risk of transmitting herpes to another person via oral sex. Whether you want to label herpes as an STI or not is up to you. | |||
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"I fall smack onto the 40/50 veri category and not once have I ever tested positive for any std, it's called safe sex. I go to the clinic regularly just to be sure and on the odd occasion of condom mishap iv gone more. I rarely get verifications for my group sessions but on many occasions would hit the 40/50 number on one weekend.... although currently less active than previous due to change in me... However.... I've never tested positive for anything... and 23 years.. average it out at say 5 a week... do the maths ..
Not really sure what contribution that makes nor what to take from it either. So you regularly have many partners, you play safe and you've never contracted anything. That's good for you. Just trying to see how this applies to others and the topic.
Some people's immune system may be very good and can either fight or keep some of these dormant. As has been said before clear results doesn't mean clear, it means not detected. This is because some can be dormant for years and years, another reason why testing should be done regularly even after leaving the lifestyle behind."it's relevant to the way some are suggesting that if you have over a certain amount of veries your almost guaranteed to have had an issue.. may be it's the fact for most of my 23 years I've only done gb based activities rather than intimate play. So limited skin on skin.. But the fact is I've met way more than this magical 40 or 50 people and so far not an issue. I am shocked that many are suggesting that getting tested regular is a sign of playing unsafe too. | |||
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"Do those having meets ask about these? You see some (not judging by the way) that have had 40/50 verifications so must have at some point been exposed to some STD. How do you deal with this / approach this? " Some people talk but reality check it only takes 1 meet to be exposed to a sti just 1 | |||
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"Can almost guarantee that 90%+ of people on this site have contacted either oral or genital herpes. The majority of these won't even know they have it. Also, the majority of active swingers will also have been exposed to worse STIs at some point - regardless of how choosy they are. In other words, use a condom and accept that even with a comdom, sex comes with risks What a crock of shit What don't you agree with? The first goo paragraphs of your rant " 78% of the world population has Herpes 1. Ever had a cold sore? Then you have Herpes 1! I can never understand people who stand by the theory that oral is fine but a condom for intercourse. You can get the same STIs from Oral & intercourse. Google is your friend! | |||
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