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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us." Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion . | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion ." I agree. It must be confusing them about how a marriage is. Have they ever asked their friends if their parents have special friends who mum kisses etc? I’m all up for the cuckolding lifestyle but kids should know about it. | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion . I agree. It must be confusing them about how a marriage is. Have they ever asked their friends if their parents have special friends who mum kisses etc? I’m all up for the cuckolding lifestyle but kids should know about it. " ****shouldnt**** | |||
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"I don't see it as being a problem as long as they don't see the sexual side of things. People will have their own opinion but really all that matters are your own views OP. Look at it this way if all the people involved are ok with thinks F everyone else." F everyone else inclubding her kids? They must be confused af | |||
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"The kids are used to random strangers coming round and fucking their mum. Their safety or wants don't matter as long as their parents get the sex life they want. "Eactly that | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion . I agree. It must be confusing them about how a marriage is. Have they ever asked their friends if their parents have special friends who mum kisses etc? I’m all up for the cuckolding lifestyle but kids should know about it. ****shouldnt****"  | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion ." Id be interested in those aspects too, in todays day and age were people are open about being bi, gay or other sexual preferences it does leave questions over why some aspects are open and others not so. My son has been typical and gone through my toys when ive not been in the room and he has asked questions... To which the only thing i said said "Daddy enjoys other aspects of sex and you are to young to understand"... Which he has taken on board but i know down the line more questions will get asked. So how much info is to much? We can talk to them about safe sex so where is that line drawn. | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us." Guess what? People will be judgemental, even in the scene. The scene is not a shared set of values, or a belief system, or even an agreed set of rules. It's just a momentary coincidence of people who, generally, like sex. They don't stop being who they are, and they don't park their attitudes or behaviours at the door for any longer than it takes to get what they want. That said, you have to accept that it's a fact of life that for every way of bringing up kids, there's someone willing to judge you. If you don;t believe me, visit Mumsnet, which the one of the inner circles of hell when it comes to nasty, vicious and bitter people judging others and asserting that they are right. If you hang around the bi or queer scene for more than a second, especially in the company of clever people like Kaz, you'll hear the phrase 'internalized biphobia'. It describes people who even thogh they're bi, or queer, accept all the unpleasant descriptions of bi / queer people form the straight community. It's the same in swinging, even some people who regularly swing believe that monogamous marriage is the gold standard, and that those of use who don't subscribe to that theory are somehow lesser beings. There's something theological in there about accepting we are all just poor sinners who can be redeemed if only we continue to acknowledge the ideal that we fail to met. How are your kids? If they're fine, then you've probably got it right. If they're not, you can fix it. Ask them how they feel. Ask if anything in their life troubles them. If you need advice about safeguarding stuff, or if you are worried you might have inadvertently crossed a line, talk to a professional. A final thing. We didn't invent sex. Unconventional relationships have happened for a very long time, and we're still here. Mrs Pike in Dads Army was s funny because it was recognisable- all the audience could think of someone who lived unconventionally with someone they weren't married to. Phillip Larkin was wrong. Your mum and dad don't fuck you up - it's not talking and not seeking professional help that fucks you up. Carter | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion . Id be interested in those aspects too, in todays day and age were people are open about being bi, gay or other sexual preferences it does leave questions over why some aspects are open and others not so. My son has been typical and gone through my toys when ive not been in the room and he has asked questions... To which the only thing i said said "Daddy enjoys other aspects of sex and you are to young to understand"... Which he has taken on board but i know down the line more questions will get asked. So how much info is to much? We can talk to them about safe sex so where is that line drawn. " Kids finding sex toys, asking questions, been told ‘daddy enjoys other aspects of sex’ in my opinion is too much information for a kid and could cause confusion. Not good but it’s only my opinion for what it’s worth.  | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us." I think that's fab,  | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion . Id be interested in those aspects too, in todays day and age were people are open about being bi, gay or other sexual preferences it does leave questions over why some aspects are open and others not so. My son has been typical and gone through my toys when ive not been in the room and he has asked questions... To which the only thing i said said "Daddy enjoys other aspects of sex and you are to young to understand"... Which he has taken on board but i know down the line more questions will get asked. So how much info is to much? We can talk to them about safe sex so where is that line drawn. Kids finding sex toys, asking questions, been told ‘daddy enjoys other aspects of sex’ in my opinion is too much information for a kid and could cause confusion. Not good but it’s only my opinion for what it’s worth. "Kids are bombarded with information about sex, and always have been. Do we pretend sex toys don't exist? Are we so wedded to the idea that there is something wicked about sex toys that merely seeing them will somehow corrupt or harm a child? The idea that kids can be insulated from reality is bonkers - it's why we need to positively engage with them and allow them to understand their reactions and experiences. Carter | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion . Id be interested in those aspects too, in todays day and age were people are open about being bi, gay or other sexual preferences it does leave questions over why some aspects are open and others not so. My son has been typical and gone through my toys when ive not been in the room and he has asked questions... To which the only thing i said said "Daddy enjoys other aspects of sex and you are to young to understand"... Which he has taken on board but i know down the line more questions will get asked. So how much info is to much? We can talk to them about safe sex so where is that line drawn. Kids finding sex toys, asking questions, been told ‘daddy enjoys other aspects of sex’ in my opinion is too much information for a kid and could cause confusion. Not good but it’s only my opinion for what it’s worth. Kids are bombarded with information about sex, and always have been. Do we pretend sex toys don't exist? Are we so wedded to the idea that there is something wicked about sex toys that merely seeing them will somehow corrupt or harm a child? The idea that kids can be insulated from reality is bonkers - it's why we need to positively engage with them and allow them to understand their reactions and experiences.
Carter"Kids will find toys... Vibes, dildos or whatever. Its how we as adults handle it. My lad is 11yrs old, mature for his age and has a good head on his shoulders... However telling him the purpose of vampire gloves, pinwheels and bits are (what i think) above what he needs to know. In school they are being taught rudimentals of sex, safe sex, pregnancy. Outside of school to pretend over a certain age they are not looking at porn or masturbating is just ignorant...we all did it..and there are only so many times you can find a crunchy duvet in the wash before you have to discuss it. In a few years he will be looking at putting his knowledge into practice so i would much rather him feel comfortable enough to approach me and ask questions rather than not. Aa said we live in a day and age where you can walk in to a centre and see gay pride, an awesome event and fun... So if we are becoming more ok with discussing sexuality with kids lets actually discuss sexuality with them! We are the generation with the power to educate them so they are more open than we are. Not a bad thing! | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion . Id be interested in those aspects too, in todays day and age were people are open about being bi, gay or other sexual preferences it does leave questions over why some aspects are open and others not so. My son has been typical and gone through my toys when ive not been in the room and he has asked questions... To which the only thing i said said "Daddy enjoys other aspects of sex and you are to young to understand"... Which he has taken on board but i know down the line more questions will get asked. So how much info is to much? We can talk to them about safe sex so where is that line drawn. Kids finding sex toys, asking questions, been told ‘daddy enjoys other aspects of sex’ in my opinion is too much information for a kid and could cause confusion. Not good but it’s only my opinion for what it’s worth. Kids are bombarded with information about sex, and always have been. Do we pretend sex toys don't exist? Are we so wedded to the idea that there is something wicked about sex toys that merely seeing them will somehow corrupt or harm a child? The idea that kids can be insulated from reality is bonkers - it's why we need to positively engage with them and allow them to understand their reactions and experiences.
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Kids will find toys... Vibes, dildos or whatever. Its how we as adults handle it.
My lad is 11yrs old, mature for his age and has a good head on his shoulders... However telling him the purpose of vampire gloves, pinwheels and bits are (what i think) above what he needs to know.
In school they are being taught rudimentals of sex, safe sex, pregnancy. Outside of school to pretend over a certain age they are not looking at porn or masturbating is just ignorant...we all did it..and there are only so many times you can find a crunchy duvet in the wash before you have to discuss it.
In a few years he will be looking at putting his knowledge into practice so i would much rather him feel comfortable enough to approach me and ask questions rather than not.
Aa said we live in a day and age where you can walk in to a centre and see gay pride, an awesome event and fun... So if we are becoming more ok with discussing sexuality with kids lets actually discuss sexuality with them! We are the generation with the power to educate them so they are more open than we are. Not a bad thing! "11! When I read that I thought good grief. But you make a very reasonable point for why kids should be encouraged to be open. You've actually changed my mind a bit. Thank you. | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us." Each to their own is my motto usually, if it troubles you although it might need a private conversation with your teens individually if they are mature enough. | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion . Id be interested in those aspects too, in todays day and age were people are open about being bi, gay or other sexual preferences it does leave questions over why some aspects are open and others not so. My son has been typical and gone through my toys when ive not been in the room and he has asked questions... To which the only thing i said said "Daddy enjoys other aspects of sex and you are to young to understand"... Which he has taken on board but i know down the line more questions will get asked. So how much info is to much? We can talk to them about safe sex so where is that line drawn. Kids finding sex toys, asking questions, been told ‘daddy enjoys other aspects of sex’ in my opinion is too much information for a kid and could cause confusion. Not good but it’s only my opinion for what it’s worth. Kids are bombarded with information about sex, and always have been. Do we pretend sex toys don't exist? Are we so wedded to the idea that there is something wicked about sex toys that merely seeing them will somehow corrupt or harm a child? The idea that kids can be insulated from reality is bonkers - it's why we need to positively engage with them and allow them to understand their reactions and experiences.
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Kids will find toys... Vibes, dildos or whatever. Its how we as adults handle it.
My lad is 11yrs old, mature for his age and has a good head on his shoulders... However telling him the purpose of vampire gloves, pinwheels and bits are (what i think) above what he needs to know.
In school they are being taught rudimentals of sex, safe sex, pregnancy. Outside of school to pretend over a certain age they are not looking at porn or masturbating is just ignorant...we all did it..and there are only so many times you can find a crunchy duvet in the wash before you have to discuss it.
In a few years he will be looking at putting his knowledge into practice so i would much rather him feel comfortable enough to approach me and ask questions rather than not.
Aa said we live in a day and age where you can walk in to a centre and see gay pride, an awesome event and fun... So if we are becoming more ok with discussing sexuality with kids lets actually discuss sexuality with them! We are the generation with the power to educate them so they are more open than we are. Not a bad thing!
11! When I read that I thought good grief.
But you make a very reasonable point for why kids should be encouraged to be open. You've actually changed my mind a bit. Thank you. "Since being open with him he has come to me with personal problems and curiosity about his bits. If its dealt with appropriately then it leaves other channels of communication open. Dont get me wrong, if i didnt think he was adult enough to handle things i would of pandered it away... So there has to be some judgement done on how mature the kid is. Hes not ready to know dad is a sadist but just likes things different... No doubt when he is older he will either work it out for himself or ask more questions, at that time i will judge and see if he is capable of understanding the topic at hand. I wont discuss the more intimate side of things with him as somethings should be kept private but if he feels comfortable enough to come up to me and go "Dad, im having problems with my X,y or Z" then at least i can advise rather than him feeling embarresed to say he has an issue. It also means when he comes to me and goes dad is it cool if i like men and women (example of a conversation) he doesnt have to hide it so he can be who he is without worry of judgement | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion . Id be interested in those aspects too, in todays day and age were people are open about being bi, gay or other sexual preferences it does leave questions over why some aspects are open and others not so. My son has been typical and gone through my toys when ive not been in the room and he has asked questions... To which the only thing i said said "Daddy enjoys other aspects of sex and you are to young to understand"... Which he has taken on board but i know down the line more questions will get asked. So how much info is to much? We can talk to them about safe sex so where is that line drawn. Kids finding sex toys, asking questions, been told ‘daddy enjoys other aspects of sex’ in my opinion is too much information for a kid and could cause confusion. Not good but it’s only my opinion for what it’s worth. Kids are bombarded with information about sex, and always have been. Do we pretend sex toys don't exist? Are we so wedded to the idea that there is something wicked about sex toys that merely seeing them will somehow corrupt or harm a child? The idea that kids can be insulated from reality is bonkers - it's why we need to positively engage with them and allow them to understand their reactions and experiences.
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Kids will find toys... Vibes, dildos or whatever. Its how we as adults handle it.
My lad is 11yrs old, mature for his age and has a good head on his shoulders... However telling him the purpose of vampire gloves, pinwheels and bits are (what i think) above what he needs to know.
In school they are being taught rudimentals of sex, safe sex, pregnancy. Outside of school to pretend over a certain age they are not looking at porn or masturbating is just ignorant...we all did it..and there are only so many times you can find a crunchy duvet in the wash before you have to discuss it.
In a few years he will be looking at putting his knowledge into practice so i would much rather him feel comfortable enough to approach me and ask questions rather than not.
Aa said we live in a day and age where you can walk in to a centre and see gay pride, an awesome event and fun... So if we are becoming more ok with discussing sexuality with kids lets actually discuss sexuality with them! We are the generation with the power to educate them so they are more open than we are. Not a bad thing!
11! When I read that I thought good grief.
But you make a very reasonable point for why kids should be encouraged to be open. You've actually changed my mind a bit. Thank you.
Since being open with him he has come to me with personal problems and curiosity about his bits. If its dealt with appropriately then it leaves other channels of communication open.
Dont get me wrong, if i didnt think he was adult enough to handle things i would of pandered it away... So there has to be some judgement done on how mature the kid is. Hes not ready to know dad is a sadist but just likes things different... No doubt when he is older he will either work it out for himself or ask more questions, at that time i will judge and see if he is capable of understanding the topic at hand.
I wont discuss the more intimate side of things with him as somethings should be kept private but if he feels comfortable enough to come up to me and go "Dad, im having problems with my X,y or Z" then at least i can advise rather than him feeling embarresed to say he has an issue. It also means when he comes to me and goes dad is it cool if i like men and women (example of a conversation) he doesnt have to hide it so he can be who he is without worry of judgement
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. Personally I think it’s wrong to involve your kids in your swinging lifestyle is any way , but I guess there will be some who think it’s fine . You say that they are used to ‘mums special friends ‘ staying over , and that they see you holding hands or kissing . Do they ask why Mum is kissing and holding hands with another guy ? If so , what do you tell them ? Fair play if you’ve been honest and fessed up to them , but surely it’s going to have an impact on the way they see relationships when they start ? So that’s my honest opinion . Id be interested in those aspects too, in todays day and age were people are open about being bi, gay or other sexual preferences it does leave questions over why some aspects are open and others not so. My son has been typical and gone through my toys when ive not been in the room and he has asked questions... To which the only thing i said said "Daddy enjoys other aspects of sex and you are to young to understand"... Which he has taken on board but i know down the line more questions will get asked. So how much info is to much? We can talk to them about safe sex so where is that line drawn. Kids finding sex toys, asking questions, been told ‘daddy enjoys other aspects of sex’ in my opinion is too much information for a kid and could cause confusion. Not good but it’s only my opinion for what it’s worth. Kids are bombarded with information about sex, and always have been. Do we pretend sex toys don't exist? Are we so wedded to the idea that there is something wicked about sex toys that merely seeing them will somehow corrupt or harm a child? The idea that kids can be insulated from reality is bonkers - it's why we need to positively engage with them and allow them to understand their reactions and experiences.
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Kids will find toys... Vibes, dildos or whatever. Its how we as adults handle it.
My lad is 11yrs old, mature for his age and has a good head on his shoulders... However telling him the purpose of vampire gloves, pinwheels and bits are (what i think) above what he needs to know.
In school they are being taught rudimentals of sex, safe sex, pregnancy. Outside of school to pretend over a certain age they are not looking at porn or masturbating is just ignorant...we all did it..and there are only so many times you can find a crunchy duvet in the wash before you have to discuss it.
In a few years he will be looking at putting his knowledge into practice so i would much rather him feel comfortable enough to approach me and ask questions rather than not.
Aa said we live in a day and age where you can walk in to a centre and see gay pride, an awesome event and fun... So if we are becoming more ok with discussing sexuality with kids lets actually discuss sexuality with them! We are the generation with the power to educate them so they are more open than we are. Not a bad thing!
11! When I read that I thought good grief.
But you make a very reasonable point for why kids should be encouraged to be open. You've actually changed my mind a bit. Thank you.
Since being open with him he has come to me with personal problems and curiosity about his bits. If its dealt with appropriately then it leaves other channels of communication open.
Dont get me wrong, if i didnt think he was adult enough to handle things i would of pandered it away... So there has to be some judgement done on how mature the kid is. Hes not ready to know dad is a sadist but just likes things different... No doubt when he is older he will either work it out for himself or ask more questions, at that time i will judge and see if he is capable of understanding the topic at hand.
I wont discuss the more intimate side of things with him as somethings should be kept private but if he feels comfortable enough to come up to me and go "Dad, im having problems with my X,y or Z" then at least i can advise rather than him feeling embarresed to say he has an issue. It also means when he comes to me and goes dad is it cool if i like men and women (example of a conversation) he doesnt have to hide it so he can be who he is without worry of judgement
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"I’ve always had people over to stay. My kids have seen me kissing and hugging them. They’re friends not sex partners. I’m not sure how different the OPs sex partners would appear to her teenage children, but I think all the remarks about safeguarding etc are unnecessary. How does the fact that the OP has sex with them make them a danger to her children? I just don’t see the link at all. Should we then condemn families who are hospitable and regularly have friends over to stay?" This is a couple though..they meet strangers at home.. so the stranger is kissing and holding hands with the female of the couple whilst the husband and kids are around ....thats fine..but they is no need to do this infront of the kids eventhough they are teenagers..the swinging life style should not involve them .. | |||
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"I’ve always had people over to stay. My kids have seen me kissing and hugging them. They’re friends not sex partners. I’m not sure how different the OPs sex partners would appear to her teenage children, but I think all the remarks about safeguarding etc are unnecessary. How does the fact that the OP has sex with them make them a danger to her children? I just don’t see the link at all. Should we then condemn families who are hospitable and regularly have friends over to stay? This is a couple though..they meet strangers at home.. so the stranger is kissing and holding hands with the female of the couple whilst the husband and kids are around ....thats fine..but they is no need to do this infront of the kids eventhough they are teenagers..the swinging life style should not involve them .. " This I totally agree with. There are things kids should not know about including who with and how mum and dad have sex! Also sex toys should be locked away! An ex work colleague once told me her daughter found her glass dildo and took it to school to show her school friends, the teacher was on the ‘phone inviting her in for a meeting about why daughter brought a sex toy to school, she had no idea. Let kids be kids and do what kids do! | |||
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"I’ve always had people over to stay. My kids have seen me kissing and hugging them. They’re friends not sex partners. I’m not sure how different the OPs sex partners would appear to her teenage children, but I think all the remarks about safeguarding etc are unnecessary. How does the fact that the OP has sex with them make them a danger to her children? I just don’t see the link at all. Should we then condemn families who are hospitable and regularly have friends over to stay? This is a couple though..they meet strangers at home.. so the stranger is kissing and holding hands with the female of the couple whilst the husband and kids are around ....thats fine..but they is no need to do this infront of the kids eventhough they are teenagers..the swinging life style should not involve them .. " Exactly this . We get a bad enough press as it is . I don’t agree with the whole safeguarding thing , but if the wife is going to be cuddling and kissing another guy while the kids and their father ( her husband ) is around , it’s just wrong in my eyes . Society still sees a husband and wife as the parents who should set a good example to their kids . Which part of having a cuck relationship in front of the kids is doing that? | |||
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"Would like to point out We have never had any form of sexual activity in front of our now over age of consent kids The kissing that was mentioned was cheek to cheek not French kissing or snogging. Any hand holding was as sign of affection and wouldn’t have happened if anyone was uncomfortable. We are stunned at some of the messages we have received we geniuinly are surprise at some of the abuse we have received. But thanks for your honesty we guess " Do you mean abuse via message? Report them. Some people will agree with you and some won't. Abuse is never ok though. | |||
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"Would like to point out We have never had any form of sexual activity in front of our now over age of consent kids The kissing that was mentioned was cheek to cheek not French kissing or snogging. Any hand holding was as sign of affection and wouldn’t have happened if anyone was uncomfortable. We are stunned at some of the messages we have received we geniuinly are surprise at some of the abuse we have received. But thanks for your honesty we guess " Sorry to hear you have received so much abuse over this especially where your over age of consent kids can see far more in public places than you are doing | |||
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"Would like to point out We have never had any form of sexual activity in front of our now over age of consent kids The kissing that was mentioned was cheek to cheek not French kissing or snogging. Any hand holding was as sign of affection and wouldn’t have happened if anyone was uncomfortable. We are stunned at some of the messages we have received we geniuinly are surprise at some of the abuse we have received. But thanks for your honesty we guess " Perhaps elaborating your original post to include these details would have helped. Kissing cheek to cheek is how you greet people, so that's a non issue. Bringing different random guys over and saying they are BOTH of your friends rather than "mummy's special friends" would be better put. You said your kids were teens so they obviously are a lot wiser than you give them credit for. I have no issue with poly relationships as it's a stable/ constant relationship, but having your bull(s) around your teens and saying that they are mum's special friends is not cool in my opinion. | |||
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"Why would you need to describe them as “mummy’s special friend”? That sounds wrong in so many levels in this topic. To then state that kissing and holding hands is only this an that, sounds like your back tracking to diffuse a topic that clearly has split opinions. I couldn’t for a second see how it can be ok to bring in a 3rd party into the family set up on the level your talking. Having a friend is one thing, but describing them as a special friend sounds like your being open with your (can only presume) young daughters about your sexual exploits. I wonder how their conversations at school go. “Mummy has a special friend who stays the night, while daddy sleeps downstairs” can see the look on the teachers face now. Personally, I won’t play with a woman who has kids in the house. It’s not fair on them IMO, an the “what ifs” of if they wake up an walk in aren’t something I’d care to want to explain " | |||
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"Why would you need to describe them as “mummy’s special friend”? That sounds wrong in so many levels in this topic. To then state that kissing and holding hands is only this an that, sounds like your back tracking to diffuse a topic that clearly has split opinions. I couldn’t for a second see how it can be ok to bring in a 3rd party into the family set up on the level your talking. Having a friend is one thing, but describing them as a special friend sounds like your being open with your (can only presume) young daughters about your sexual exploits. I wonder how their conversations at school go. “Mummy has a special friend who stays the night, while daddy sleeps downstairs” can see the look on the teachers face now. Personally, I won’t play with a woman who has kids in the house. It’s not fair on them IMO, an the “what ifs” of if they wake up an walk in aren’t something I’d care to want to explain " If you read the whole thread you will see that the ops daughters are in their mid to late teens. | |||
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"Would like to point out We have never had any form of sexual activity in front of our now over age of consent kids The kissing that was mentioned was cheek to cheek not French kissing or snogging. Any hand holding was as sign of affection and wouldn’t have happened if anyone was uncomfortable. We are stunned at some of the messages we have received we geniuinly are surprise at some of the abuse we have received. But thanks for your honesty we guess Perhaps elaborating your original post to include these details would have helped. Kissing cheek to cheek is how you greet people, so that's a non issue. Bringing different random guys over and saying they are BOTH of your friends rather than "mummy's special friends" would be better put. You said your kids were teens so they obviously are a lot wiser than you give them credit for. I have no issue with poly relationships as it's a stable/ constant relationship, but having your bull(s) around your teens and saying that they are mum's special friends is not cool in my opinion." I'm being 100% biased rather than using any facts here, for a change, but i don't see any difference to a poly relationship. In theory they are more stable. In everything I've witnessed, they are absolutely not. As i say, that's my own bias and I'm sure you know some poly people who are in long term relationships, but most don't last long and some bulls-cuckolds do it long-term too. | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us.Guess what? People will be judgemental, even in the scene. The scene is not a shared set of values, or a belief system, or even an agreed set of rules. It's just a momentary coincidence of people who, generally, like sex. They don't stop being who they are, and they don't park their attitudes or behaviours at the door for any longer than it takes to get what they want. That said, you have to accept that it's a fact of life that for every way of bringing up kids, there's someone willing to judge you. If you don;t believe me, visit Mumsnet, which the one of the inner circles of hell when it comes to nasty, vicious and bitter people judging others and asserting that they are right. If you hang around the bi or queer scene for more than a second, especially in the company of clever people like Kaz, you'll hear the phrase 'internalized biphobia'. It describes people who even thogh they're bi, or queer, accept all the unpleasant descriptions of bi / queer people form the straight community. It's the same in swinging, even some people who regularly swing believe that monogamous marriage is the gold standard, and that those of use who don't subscribe to that theory are somehow lesser beings. There's something theological in there about accepting we are all just poor sinners who can be redeemed if only we continue to acknowledge the ideal that we fail to met. How are your kids? If they're fine, then you've probably got it right. If they're not, you can fix it. Ask them how they feel. Ask if anything in their life troubles them. If you need advice about safeguarding stuff, or if you are worried you might have inadvertently crossed a line, talk to a professional. A final thing. We didn't invent sex. Unconventional relationships have happened for a very long time, and we're still here. Mrs Pike in Dads Army was s funny because it was recognisable- all the audience could think of someone who lived unconventionally with someone they weren't married to. Phillip Larkin was wrong. Your mum and dad don't fuck you up - it's not talking and not seeking professional help that fucks you up. Carter" | |||
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"I think it needs to be looked at realistically from the teens point of view. We've all been to school and college and all had boyfriends and girlfriends. And our friend, bf's and gf's meet our parents. I hope I don't offend anykne here but need to be blunt to explain. Imagine meeting you're boyfriends parents and then realising they constantly have a black guy around too, (Assume he is black from your profile). Surely they will have to explain. And then words gets out. Around the school or college. It's going to be said..... "Your mum gets fucked by a black guy while your dad watches and joins in" " Why can't they just say he's a family friend 
This situation doesn't sit well with me as I said but some of the suggestions being made in this thread are way over the top.
Lots of people grow up in "interesting" family set ups. It often makes them more interesting adults. It needs a certain emotional maturity to accept cuckolding in a world geared heavily towards monogamy though and I'm not sure young adults have that. Although on reflection seeing happy parents in a loving relationship might have given them that. | |||
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"I’ve literally just had a realisation regarding my own childhood... My nan was married to my grandad but she had a boyfriend. Her boyfriend came with us on family holidays instead of my grandad coming. My nan has been with her boyfriend for 50 odd years. And only now at 29 years old, and reading this post do I now think it possibly could of been something cuckold related or even swinging related. Obviously I don’t want to think of my nan in that way particularly as she’s 84 now but good on her if it is Please don’t assume the kids/teens have any idea that it’s anything like what it is and/or they might take a while for the penny to drop as it has just done for me haha DB x " Can you ask her about him? | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us." NUMBER ONE: Don't ever be swayed by someone else's moral outrage... who are they to judge YOU. Don't allow someone else's opinion to stop you doing something you like and is legal. | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us.Guess what? People will be judgemental, even in the scene. The scene is not a shared set of values, or a belief system, or even an agreed set of rules. It's just a momentary coincidence of people who, generally, like sex. They don't stop being who they are, and they don't park their attitudes or behaviours at the door for any longer than it takes to get what they want. That said, you have to accept that it's a fact of life that for every way of bringing up kids, there's someone willing to judge you. If you don;t believe me, visit Mumsnet, which the one of the inner circles of hell when it comes to nasty, vicious and bitter people judging others and asserting that they are right. If you hang around the bi or queer scene for more than a second, especially in the company of clever people like Kaz, you'll hear the phrase 'internalized biphobia'. It describes people who even thogh they're bi, or queer, accept all the unpleasant descriptions of bi / queer people form the straight community. It's the same in swinging, even some people who regularly swing believe that monogamous marriage is the gold standard, and that those of use who don't subscribe to that theory are somehow lesser beings. There's something theological in there about accepting we are all just poor sinners who can be redeemed if only we continue to acknowledge the ideal that we fail to met. How are your kids? If they're fine, then you've probably got it right. If they're not, you can fix it. Ask them how they feel. Ask if anything in their life troubles them. If you need advice about safeguarding stuff, or if you are worried you might have inadvertently crossed a line, talk to a professional. A final thing. We didn't invent sex. Unconventional relationships have happened for a very long time, and we're still here. Mrs Pike in Dads Army was s funny because it was recognisable- all the audience could think of someone who lived unconventionally with someone they weren't married to. Phillip Larkin was wrong. Your mum and dad don't fuck you up - it's not talking and not seeking professional help that fucks you up. Carter" | |||
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"I’ve literally just had a realisation regarding my own childhood... My nan was married to my grandad but she had a boyfriend. Her boyfriend came with us on family holidays instead of my grandad coming. My nan has been with her boyfriend for 50 odd years. And only now at 29 years old, and reading this post do I now think it possibly could of been something cuckold related or even swinging related. Obviously I don’t want to think of my nan in that way particularly as she’s 84 now but good on her if it is Please don’t assume the kids/teens have any idea that it’s anything like what it is and/or they might take a while for the penny to drop as it has just done for me haha DB x Can you ask her about him? "God no! I’d be worried about the answer and only because it would be way too much information In actual fact... she has quite a few male “special” friends that pop in to see her. We’ve always joked she has loads of boyfriends but maybe it wasn’t a joke after all x | |||
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"I’ve literally just had a realisation regarding my own childhood... My nan was married to my grandad but she had a boyfriend. Her boyfriend came with us on family holidays instead of my grandad coming. My nan has been with her boyfriend for 50 odd years. And only now at 29 years old, and reading this post do I now think it possibly could of been something cuckold related or even swinging related. Obviously I don’t want to think of my nan in that way particularly as she’s 84 now but good on her if it is Please don’t assume the kids/teens have any idea that it’s anything like what it is and/or they might take a while for the penny to drop as it has just done for me haha DB x Can you ask her about him?
God no! I’d be worried about the answer and only because it would be way too much information
In actual fact... she has quite a few male “special” friends that pop in to see her. We’ve always joked she has loads of boyfriends but maybe it wasn’t a joke after all x"Loving your gran, she sounds quite the lady | |||
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"Honestly I dont think it's good to have exposed your children to it as it could lead to a warped view relationships to them and affect them in the future. Most teenagers don't want to think about their own parents having sex, let alone know that practically strangers are fucking their mum. I know personally when I was a teenager this would have made me incredibly uncomfortable" Spot on x | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. NUMBER ONE: Don't ever be swayed by someone else's moral outrage... who are they to judge YOU. Don't allow someone else's opinion to stop you doing something you like and is legal. They literally asked us what we think- so invited us to judge them. Whether or not something is legal, does not make it morally right. " A concept poorly understood on fab | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. NUMBER ONE: Don't ever be swayed by someone else's moral outrage... who are they to judge YOU. Don't allow someone else's opinion to stop you doing something you like and is legal. They literally asked us what we think- so invited us to judge them. Whether or not something is legal, does not make it morally right. A concept poorly understood on fab "Because extramarital sex with consent is morally acceptable? | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. NUMBER ONE: Don't ever be swayed by someone else's moral outrage... who are they to judge YOU. Don't allow someone else's opinion to stop you doing something you like and is legal. They literally asked us what we think- so invited us to judge them. Whether or not something is legal, does not make it morally right. A concept poorly understood on fab
Because extramarital sex with consent is morally acceptable?
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. NUMBER ONE: Don't ever be swayed by someone else's moral outrage... who are they to judge YOU. Don't allow someone else's opinion to stop you doing something you like and is legal. They literally asked us what we think- so invited us to judge them. Whether or not something is legal, does not make it morally right. A concept poorly understood on fab
Because extramarital sex with consent is morally acceptable?
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. NUMBER ONE: Don't ever be swayed by someone else's moral outrage... who are they to judge YOU. Don't allow someone else's opinion to stop you doing something you like and is legal. They literally asked us what we think- so invited us to judge them. Whether or not something is legal, does not make it morally right. A concept poorly understood on fab
Because extramarital sex with consent is morally acceptable?
Within that marriage, yes. To wave it under the noses of the children, who probably have no appreciation or understanding of the sexual thrill it provides to those two consenting adults? No. "I believe this is being blown out of all proportion in the name of virtue posting. Given we don't know the full situation, or indeed if the scenario is true.... How many people have vanilla friends over, who might have a few drinks, have a laugh, make little signs of affection between long standing friends then retire to their own beds. How many people actually pack away their teenage children to relatives in order to have sex in the marital bed with their own partner? Or how many people regularly farm their kids out so they can enjoy their hedonistic lifestyles? As is often the case, particularly if there are points to be scored,outrage will stifle debate. It's the same with bareback threads. Ooh look at me I'm the perfect swinger and everyone else is wrong / morally corrupt etc. If issues cannot be discussed, lessons cannot be learnt. But hey, when you are the perfect swinger, it matters not because you are doing everything correct. | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. NUMBER ONE: Don't ever be swayed by someone else's moral outrage... who are they to judge YOU. Don't allow someone else's opinion to stop you doing something you like and is legal. They literally asked us what we think- so invited us to judge them. Whether or not something is legal, does not make it morally right. A concept poorly understood on fab
Because extramarital sex with consent is morally acceptable?
Within that marriage, yes. To wave it under the noses of the children, who probably have no appreciation or understanding of the sexual thrill it provides to those two consenting adults? No.
I believe this is being blown out of all proportion in the name of virtue posting.
Given we don't know the full situation, or indeed if the scenario is true....
How many people have vanilla friends over, who might have a few drinks, have a laugh, make little signs of affection between long standing friends then retire to their own beds.
How many people actually pack away their teenage children to relatives in order to have sex in the marital bed with their own partner?
Or how many people regularly farm their kids out so they can enjoy their hedonistic lifestyles?
As is often the case, particularly if there are points to be scored,outrage will stifle debate.
It's the same with bareback threads.
Ooh look at me I'm the perfect swinger and everyone else is wrong / morally corrupt etc.
If issues cannot be discussed, lessons cannot be learnt.
But hey, when you are the perfect swinger, it matters not because you are doing everything correct."Virtue posting to who, exactly? Who do you think I’m trying to impress? I don’t kiss my friends or hold their hands. I have something I like to call “personal space”. I believe a lot of other people do, too. I don’t think making love with your long term partner, in your own home is unheard of. Do you think it’s okay to make your children aware of your sexual activity though? For example- by being noisy, by wearing sexualised clothing in front of them etc. I’m not the perfect anything. I do have strong opinions about what is okay for children to witness and be involved in, and this (the OP) is a big red line for me. | |||
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"We have been on the scene for many years (although not met many guys from here thus far) Because of the nature of our cuckolding wants we often have the guy involved visiting our home overnight sometimes staying at weekends. Because our now teens are used to “mums special freinds” staying over we have been quite relaxed (obviously nothing untoward in sight) except maybe hand holding or a kiss etc. We recently discussed this with another couple in the scene and they were disgusted and really judgmental about this. What do folk here think ... do be honest it has troubled us. NUMBER ONE: Don't ever be swayed by someone else's moral outrage... who are they to judge YOU. Don't allow someone else's opinion to stop you doing something you like and is legal. They literally asked us what we think- so invited us to judge them. Whether or not something is legal, does not make it morally right. A concept poorly understood on fab
Because extramarital sex with consent is morally acceptable?
Within that marriage, yes. To wave it under the noses of the children, who probably have no appreciation or understanding of the sexual thrill it provides to those two consenting adults? No.
I believe this is being blown out of all proportion in the name of virtue posting.
Given we don't know the full situation, or indeed if the scenario is true....
How many people have vanilla friends over, who might have a few drinks, have a laugh, make little signs of affection between long standing friends then retire to their own beds.
How many people actually pack away their teenage children to relatives in order to have sex in the marital bed with their own partner?
Or how many people regularly farm their kids out so they can enjoy their hedonistic lifestyles?
As is often the case, particularly if there are points to be scored,outrage will stifle debate.
It's the same with bareback threads.
Ooh look at me I'm the perfect swinger and everyone else is wrong / morally corrupt etc.
If issues cannot be discussed, lessons cannot be learnt.
But hey, when you are the perfect swinger, it matters not because you are doing everything correct.
Virtue posting to who, exactly? Who do you think I’m trying to impress?
I don’t kiss my friends or hold their hands. I have something I like to call “personal space”. I believe a lot of other people do, too.
I don’t think making love with your long term partner, in your own home is unheard of. Do you think it’s okay to make your children aware of your sexual activity though? For example- by being noisy, by wearing sexualised clothing in front of them etc.
I’m not the perfect anything. I do have strong opinions about what is okay for children to witness and be involved in, and this (the OP) is a big red line for me. "Absolutely right , and we fully agree with you on this . Anyone who thinks it’s ok is not someone we would wish to meet , and to be fair we are amongst the least judgemental on here . But some things are just wrong , and this is one of them . Every single argument /statement made on the last post which you've answered is irelevent to the op . It uses analogies and examples which bear absolutely no relevance to having ‘Mummy’s special friend over to fuck her ‘ . No one here is trying to pretend they are the perfect swinger . How would that be possible ? And as for virtue posting , well it certainly isn’t you guys doing that at all . There’s nothing wrong with having a fully functioning moral compass , even if you are swingers . | |||
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" I’m not the perfect anything. I do have strong opinions about what is okay for children to witness and be involved in, and this (the OP) is a big red line for me. Absolutely right , and we fully agree with you on this . Anyone who thinks it’s ok is not someone we would wish to meet , and to be fair we are amongst the least judgemental on here . But some things are just wrong , and this is one of them . Every single argument /statement made on the last post which you've answered is irelevent to the op . It uses analogies and examples which bear absolutely no relevance to having ‘Mummy’s special friend over to fuck her ‘ . No one here is trying to pretend they are the perfect swinger . How would that be possible ? And as for virtue posting , well it certainly isn’t you guys doing that at all . There’s nothing wrong with having a fully functioning moral compass , even if you are swingers ." Out of interest, how would you compare it to a poly relationship? | |||
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" I’m not the perfect anything. I do have strong opinions about what is okay for children to witness and be involved in, and this (the OP) is a big red line for me. Absolutely right , and we fully agree with you on this . Anyone who thinks it’s ok is not someone we would wish to meet , and to be fair we are amongst the least judgemental on here . But some things are just wrong , and this is one of them . Every single argument /statement made on the last post which you've answered is irelevent to the op . It uses analogies and examples which bear absolutely no relevance to having ‘Mummy’s special friend over to fuck her ‘ . No one here is trying to pretend they are the perfect swinger . How would that be possible ? And as for virtue posting , well it certainly isn’t you guys doing that at all . There’s nothing wrong with having a fully functioning moral compass , even if you are swingers . Out of interest, how would you compare it to a poly relationship? " I personally don’t know anyone in a poly relationship who has kids . So I’m unable to make a reasoned comment . How would you compare it ? Would you be ok explaining the scenario to your kids ? | |||
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" I’m not the perfect anything. I do have strong opinions about what is okay for children to witness and be involved in, and this (the OP) is a big red line for me. Absolutely right , and we fully agree with you on this . Anyone who thinks it’s ok is not someone we would wish to meet , and to be fair we are amongst the least judgemental on here . But some things are just wrong , and this is one of them . Every single argument /statement made on the last post which you've answered is irelevent to the op . It uses analogies and examples which bear absolutely no relevance to having ‘Mummy’s special friend over to fuck her ‘ . No one here is trying to pretend they are the perfect swinger . How would that be possible ? And as for virtue posting , well it certainly isn’t you guys doing that at all . There’s nothing wrong with having a fully functioning moral compass , even if you are swingers . Out of interest, how would you compare it to a poly relationship? I personally don’t know anyone in a poly relationship who has kids . So I’m unable to make a reasoned comment . How would you compare it ? Would you be ok explaining the scenario to your kids ? " I would put them on par personally. No it's not something I'd want to explain. | |||
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