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"She may just need reassurance on the matter, or she's just gone off the idea herself a bit. C" Yes I certainly think she’s gone cold on the idea. | |||
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"I've never felt guilt. However women are told from birth that decent women only have sex with their husband and that's hard to shake off. Did she say what exactly she feels guilty about? " Along the lines of “we’re married we shouldn’t want to do this”. I also think it’s probably due to the fact she didn’t like seeing me with someone else but is going with someone else herself. However if anything it kind of does it for me more that she’s in essence mildly cuckolding me! | |||
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"I've never felt guilt. However women are told from birth that decent women only have sex with their husband and that's hard to shake off. Did she say what exactly she feels guilty about? Along the lines of “we’re married we shouldn’t want to do this”. I also think it’s probably due to the fact she didn’t like seeing me with someone else but is going with someone else herself. However if anything it kind of does it for me more that she’s in essence mildly cuckolding me!" All I can suggest is that you talk about it. If it's causing her grief it's not worth it. | |||
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"I've never felt guilt. However women are told from birth that decent women only have sex with their husband and that's hard to shake off. Did she say what exactly she feels guilty about? Along the lines of “we’re married we shouldn’t want to do this”. I also think it’s probably due to the fact she didn’t like seeing me with someone else but is going with someone else herself. However if anything it kind of does it for me more that she’s in essence mildly cuckolding me! All I can suggest is that you talk about it. If it's causing her grief it's not worth it." Absolutely and I think that’s probably where the issues stemmed from in the first place, our last time we played with didn’t revisit or talk about what happened for a few days and it just let any issues or ill feeling fester. Talking is definitely the best step, but was interested to see if the feelings she had were felt by others (I understand everyone may feel differently though). | |||
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"I've never felt guilt. However women are told from birth that decent women only have sex with their husband and that's hard to shake off. Did she say what exactly she feels guilty about? Along the lines of “we’re married we shouldn’t want to do this”. I also think it’s probably due to the fact she didn’t like seeing me with someone else but is going with someone else herself. However if anything it kind of does it for me more that she’s in essence mildly cuckolding me! All I can suggest is that you talk about it. If it's causing her grief it's not worth it. Absolutely and I think that’s probably where the issues stemmed from in the first place, our last time we played with didn’t revisit or talk about what happened for a few days and it just let any issues or ill feeling fester. Talking is definitely the best step, but was interested to see if the feelings she had were felt by others (I understand everyone may feel differently though)." Yeah, it's very easy to forget to debrief especially after the first few times. As you say everyone feels differently and for me the talking is one of the things I love about swinging. | |||
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" I keep reading the title and seeing "hot wife quilt" and wondering what one of them looks like " Not sure but I’d imagine their be plenty of guys and girls wanting to get under it! | |||
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" I keep reading the title and seeing "hot wife quilt" and wondering what one of them looks like Not sure but I’d imagine their be plenty of guys and girls wanting to get under it! " | |||
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"My wife and I started on this website early this year initially as we had an interest in the exhibitionist and voyeuristic side of play, and possibly to expand on her bi side. After meeting a couple for a social, we decided to continue with a couple closer to us. Long story short, we ended up soft swapping with a couple. I loved seeing Mrs have fun, and found I had no interest in playing with another woman myself. My wife also did not like seeing me with another woman. So then we decided to try threesomes with the guy from the couple. We seemed to have lots of fun and played on a few occasions, with my wife full swapping. Then it just stopped, and now my wife says it’s vecasu she feels guilty. Have any other women felt guilt over their playing even though their husbands have enjoyed and even encouraged her?" if they love their husband/partner I imagine many get this feeling | |||
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"She may just need reassurance on the matter, or she's just gone off the idea herself a bit. C" this | |||
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"It is clear you are not swingers , there is no point being in the lifestyle, the mastering of emotions is the swingers currency, if she can't master emotions then you can't go anywhere in this lifestyle." a rather simplistic and off hand response, there may be many reasons she is a little unsure, it may be she feels hubby is not getting enough out of it, and assurance from him may bee all that is needed | |||
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" I keep reading the title and seeing "hot wife quilt" and wondering what one of them looks like " Like a plasterer's radio i would guess | |||
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"No I don't agree, this lifestyle is a state of mind, you can clearly see it when you talk to people in a swingers club setting, there is nothing like reassuring anybody in this lifestyle, you either have it or you don't. You must remember that human beings are not safe investments in the presence of emotions. A swinger male or female is someone who has mastered their emotions as it relates to sexual relationships, they can make love to you , give you the sweetest kiss you ever had, give you the best bj, be the best girlfriend or boyfriend you ever had but that's where it ends. It's exiting because it's a fantasy of some sort." It may well be that we arent for this scene, just elements of it. Thanks for your input everyone. | |||
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"It is clear you are not swingers , there is no point being in the lifestyle, the mastering of emotions is the swingers currency, if she can't master emotions then you can't go anywhere in this lifestyle. a rather simplistic and off hand response, there may be many reasons she is a little unsure, it may be she feels hubby is not getting enough out of it, and assurance from him may bee all that is needed " That was my thoughts to be fair. If the only thing holding Mrs back is the fact she doesn't think OP enjoys it, then it's a simple fix. Fingers crossed! | |||
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" It may well be that we arent for this scene, just elements of it. Thanks for your input everyone. " It's a broad church just pick and choose out of it what works for you. | |||
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"My wife and I started on this website early this year initially as we had an interest in the exhibitionist and voyeuristic side of play, and possibly to expand on her bi side. After meeting a couple for a social, we decided to continue with a couple closer to us. Long story short, we ended up soft swapping with a couple. I loved seeing Mrs have fun, and found I had no interest in playing with another woman myself. My wife also did not like seeing me with another woman. So then we decided to try threesomes with the guy from the couple. We seemed to have lots of fun and played on a few occasions, with my wife full swapping. Then it just stopped, and now my wife says it’s vecasu she feels guilty. Have any other women felt guilt over their playing even though their husbands have enjoyed and even encouraged her?" Her feeling guilty is natural early on . But wouldn’t she feel just as guilty for starting something that clearly turns you on so much , and then taking it away ? If she really thinks it is something she can’t do then so be it , get used to it and accept it . But she really ought to try and embrace how much you like it and see it from your perspective too . | |||
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"Her feeling guilty is natural early on . But wouldn’t she feel just as guilty for starting something that clearly turns you on so much , and then taking it away ? If she really thinks it is something she can’t do then so be it , get used to it and accept it . But she really ought to try and embrace how much you like it and see it from your perspective too ." Perhaps, but I have no interest in making her do something she isn’t enjoying or something that makes her feel bad. | |||
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"Her feeling guilty is natural early on . But wouldn’t she feel just as guilty for starting something that clearly turns you on so much , and then taking it away ? If she really thinks it is something she can’t do then so be it , get used to it and accept it . But she really ought to try and embrace how much you like it and see it from your perspective too . Perhaps, but I have no interest in making her do something she isn’t enjoying or something that makes her feel bad." Agreed , but have you both given it a chance and seen it from all angles ? | |||
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" It may well be that we arent for this scene, just elements of it. Thanks for your input everyone. It's a broad church just pick and choose out of it what works for you." that's what we've done. We are on a very different path now to the one we started on. | |||
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"Her feeling guilty is natural early on . But wouldn’t she feel just as guilty for starting something that clearly turns you on so much , and then taking it away ? If she really thinks it is something she can’t do then so be it , get used to it and accept it . But she really ought to try and embrace how much you like it and see it from your perspective too . Perhaps, but I have no interest in making her do something she isn’t enjoying or something that makes her feel bad. Agreed , but have you both given it a chance and seen it from all angles ? " I guess there’s aspects we haven’t tried which we both expressed an interest in in the first place | |||
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"Her feeling guilty is natural early on . But wouldn’t she feel just as guilty for starting something that clearly turns you on so much , and then taking it away ? If she really thinks it is something she can’t do then so be it , get used to it and accept it . But she really ought to try and embrace how much you like it and see it from your perspective too . Perhaps, but I have no interest in making her do something she isn’t enjoying or something that makes her feel bad. Agreed , but have you both given it a chance and seen it from all angles ? I guess there’s aspects we haven’t tried which we both expressed an interest in in the first place" we did this. It worked . We are very far away from where we first started | |||
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"I agree there are not many things you can master at first attempt and swinging is no different but the will to master the subject matter has to be there and you don't need reassurance once the will is there. Now when you first start in the alternative lifestyle, you are not sure which department you are going to like so yes there is always room to explore." some can need reassurance. We're emotional beings who sometimes feel insecure | |||
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"I've never felt guilt. However women are told from birth that decent women only have sex with their husband and that's hard to shake off. Did she say what exactly she feels guilty about? Along the lines of “we’re married we shouldn’t want to do this”. I also think it’s probably due to the fact she didn’t like seeing me with someone else but is going with someone else herself. However if anything it kind of does it for me more that she’s in essence mildly cuckolding me! All I can suggest is that you talk about it. If it's causing her grief it's not worth it. Absolutely and I think that’s probably where the issues stemmed from in the first place, our last time we played with didn’t revisit or talk about what happened for a few days and it just let any issues or ill feeling fester. Talking is definitely the best step, but was interested to see if the feelings she had were felt by others (I understand everyone may feel differently though). Yeah, it's very easy to forget to debrief especially after the first few times. As you say everyone feels differently and for me the talking is one of the things I love about swinging. " This The debrief is absolutely essential, you’ve got to be honest with each other immediately after the event, if something you saw or did remotely hurts it’s not worth it. | |||
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"My wife and I started on this website early this year initially as we had an interest in the exhibitionist and voyeuristic side of play, and possibly to expand on her bi side. After meeting a couple for a social, we decided to continue with a couple closer to us. Long story short, we ended up soft swapping with a couple. I loved seeing Mrs have fun, and found I had no interest in playing with another woman myself. My wife also did not like seeing me with another woman. So then we decided to try threesomes with the guy from the couple. We seemed to have lots of fun and played on a few occasions, with my wife full swapping. Then it just stopped, and now my wife says it’s vecasu she feels guilty. Have any other women felt guilt over their playing even though their husbands have enjoyed and even encouraged her?" Just asked Mrs Snoozles if she had ever felt guilt. She thought about it for at least 6 or 7 milliseconds being saying "No" somewhat emphatically. | |||
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"Is she feeling guilty about "cheating" on you, or enjoying it?" She says the cheating on me. Although I have assured her I love it and is absolutely not cheating. | |||
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"How about try again with me and see if the guilt feeling changes.. " | |||
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"My wife and I started on this website early this year initially as we had an interest in the exhibitionist and voyeuristic side of play, and possibly to expand on her bi side. After meeting a couple for a social, we decided to continue with a couple closer to us. Long story short, we ended up soft swapping with a couple. I loved seeing Mrs have fun, and found I had no interest in playing with another woman myself. My wife also did not like seeing me with another woman. So then we decided to try threesomes with the guy from the couple. We seemed to have lots of fun and played on a few occasions, with my wife full swapping. Then it just stopped, and now my wife says it’s vecasu she feels guilty. Have any other women felt guilt over their playing even though their husbands have enjoyed and even encouraged her?" Yh but I’m over it now!! Seriously though. We started about a year ago. It was his fantasy originally. Not mine. But I found I really enjoyed it but felt I was greedy and he should be getting more out of it so encouraged him to try couples. It was ok but once I accepted that his enjoyment was really sharing me it got even better!! You just have to be honest with each other though. Everyone will feel differently xx | |||
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"Is she feeling guilty about "cheating" on you, or enjoying it? She says the cheating on me. Although I have assured her I love it and is absolutely not cheating. " Sound to me like she is emotional confused: something that can easily happen in the swinging scene (I've seen this played out in clubs many times): You state; She feels guilty because she feels that she is cheating on you. And (I suspect) she also feels guilty because you say you enjoy whats she is doing, which she feels guilty about. I guess she is actually going out of her mind over it. The only solution is to talk and talk and talk about it. The relationships when swinging is multifaceted - there are more than 23 points of "consent/agreement" required for a mutually successful play, where everyone is happy. If I may suggest: you both take a break as she is bound to feel under pressure at the mo, as you say to her, your enjoying it -which perversely doesn't reassure her (why do you want her to cheat on you?). And only return to swinging when she is feeling OK and comfortable with doing it. That will at least reassure her that YOU DO (still) LOVE her, and aren't looking for something extra/else at her detriment. Sorry if this is long and rambles on a bit. But to be successful both have to enjoy what your doing -and don't expect every play to be 90%. As others have said: Post encounter debrief is essential! Good luck and hope everything works out. | |||
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"Is she feeling guilty about "cheating" on you, or enjoying it? She says the cheating on me. Although I have assured her I love it and is absolutely not cheating. Sound to me like she is emotional confused: something that can easily happen in the swinging scene (I've seen this played out in clubs many times): You state; She feels guilty because she feels that she is cheating on you. And (I suspect) she also feels guilty because you say you enjoy whats she is doing, which she feels guilty about. I guess she is actually going out of her mind over it. The only solution is to talk and talk and talk about it. The relationships when swinging is multifaceted - there are more than 23 points of "consent/agreement" required for a mutually successful play, where everyone is happy. If I may suggest: you both take a break as she is bound to feel under pressure at the mo, as you say to her, your enjoying it -which perversely doesn't reassure her (why do you want her to cheat on you?). And only return to swinging when she is feeling OK and comfortable with doing it. That will at least reassure her that YOU DO (still) LOVE her, and aren't looking for something extra/else at her detriment. Sorry if this is long and rambles on a bit. But to be successful both have to enjoy what your doing -and don't expect every play to be 90%. As others have said: Post encounter debrief is essential! Good luck and hope everything works out. " Not at all long and rambley, sounds like good advice to me and probably the path we will go down! | |||
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"My wife and I started on this website early this year initially as we had an interest in the exhibitionist and voyeuristic side of play, and possibly to expand on her bi side. After meeting a couple for a social, we decided to continue with a couple closer to us. Long story short, we ended up soft swapping with a couple. I loved seeing Mrs have fun, and found I had no interest in playing with another woman myself. My wife also did not like seeing me with another woman. So then we decided to try threesomes with the guy from the couple. We seemed to have lots of fun and played on a few occasions, with my wife full swapping. Then it just stopped, and now my wife says it’s vecasu she feels guilty. Have any other women felt guilt over their playing even though their husbands have enjoyed and even encouraged her?" Our situation is similar in that I am not happy to let my partner play with another woman and he has no interest in doing so. We have had mfm and I have just played alone for the 1st time. I don't feel guilty as we discussed it fully and I have always been clear that I am not happy to let him near another woman. He enjoys seeing me with another man and it works for us so if maybe you just need to make it really clear that you enjoy seeing her enjoy herself and she has nothing to feel guilty for because you want her to do it. I do appreciate why she may feel this way as I worried I would feel guilty but after seeing how much my other half enjoyed it then I realised I have nothing to be guilty for. It makes us both happy. Hope you can convince her to give it another try | |||
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"It is clear you are not swingers , there is no point being in the lifestyle, the mastering of emotions is the swingers currency, if she can't master emotions then you can't go anywhere in this lifestyle." How can you make such a snap judgement ? They said they had only just started. Anyway what is a “swinger” and at what point, in your opinion, do you become one? After one meet, after two, after ten? Ridiculous thing to say and not helpful to the OP. On the OP, would say it depends what she is feeling guilty about. Is it herself, is it about feeling she betrayed you, or feeling she betrayed the other woman? But only by talking it through will you be able to move on one way or another. Good luck. | |||
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"Well ,I can make that judgement because they have been on 11 months, they were only interested in the exhibitionist and vouyeristic side of things. They experimented with soft play and mmf play. They both obviously do not like either of them playing with other people because I believe the wife is reacting to her husbands countenance. What is the point encouraging either of them to swing when they have not passed stage one, which is the control of emotions, let them cross stage one first then we can introduce them to other aspects of swinging. " I don't believe anyone is "encouraging" them to do anything are they? And who are the "We" who "can introduce" them to other things? Great that Fab has provided an in-house relationship-swinging expert/psychologist. Aren't we all the lucky ones. | |||
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"I have been in a similar situation previously and id like to add my thoughts. I felt guilt because... A) I enjoyed it, I didn't want Mr to think that I wasn't enjoying him so a bit of conflict there B) Society! It took a while to overcome how I had been raised to see what I was feeling and what felt good didnt make me a bad person. Now that I have dealt with these issues everything is A.O.K and I have a very fulfilling sex life. Mr gets everything he needs from it too so winning all round! Like others have said, the key is communication and have the confidence to say what's on your mind. You sound like you have a healthy relationship so that shouldn't be a problem for you guys. Hope you work it all out x" | |||
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"Is she feeling guilty about "cheating" on you, or enjoying it? She says the cheating on me. Although I have assured her I love it and is absolutely not cheating. " Without knowing either of you it's almost impossible to comment but because she is fucking just one guy perhaps the guilt stems from the possibility she is developing feelings for him and it is those feelings that makes her feel she is being unfaithful. If so, try a club and have anonymous sex with a variety of people to separate the sex from emotions. | |||
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"My wife and I started on this website early this year initially as we had an interest in the exhibitionist and voyeuristic side of play, and possibly to expand on her bi side. After meeting a couple for a social, we decided to continue with a couple closer to us. Long story short, we ended up soft swapping with a couple. I loved seeing Mrs have fun, and found I had no interest in playing with another woman myself. My wife also did not like seeing me with another woman. So then we decided to try threesomes with the guy from the couple. We seemed to have lots of fun and played on a few occasions, with my wife full swapping. Then it just stopped, and now my wife says it’s vecasu she feels guilty. Have any other women felt guilt over their playing even though their husbands have enjoyed and even encouraged her?" I have never felt guilt obviously I have had worry’s about how things may effect our relationship at the beggining but it hasn’t ever caused any issues between us we do this together I am sexually pleasing mr by doing the things I do and that is why I enjoy having sex with others so much when I walk through the door after a hotwife meet my feet hardly touch the floor all the way to the bedroom and we have the best sex ever for hours afterwards nothing comes close to that feeling xxx | |||
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