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By *istressZoe OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

cheshire

Just a quick question

A friend of mine at work who is one of the main IT employees suggested in the pub that he could see what everyone was surfing on their phone x

This wasn't directed at me but was pub banter

Since then I've not logged onto fab using work wifi and only 3 g

Just wondering - what exactly could someone who controls the work wifi "see" or learn who is surfing what

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh gosh I best tell my mates they use my wifi to come onto fab on their phones cos they have no net

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It's not a good idea to use wifi at work as stuff may well be logged. I only use 4g at work.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

They will certainly be able to see who's logged in to the wifi so I guess they may also be able to see what they are browsing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most employers log wifi usage and, depending on your contract, you could be disciplined or even sacked...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With the correct software you can see every item of network traffic. Just a matter of knowing what you're looking at. Mr works in IT/Communications and we use this kind of software for network analysis and investigations of security breaches.

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By *iscean MaleMan
over a year ago

Darlaston

Me personally I would not use fab on works wifi.

As mentioned.. they can if they had the tools.. find out what sites someone visits and how long they "surf the internet"

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

All communication devices are radio senders and/or receivers, except those that have to have a wire or cable plugged into them. This includes all iterations of mobile phones, wi-fi devices, car door locks, contact credit cards, doorbells – anything that acts at a distance with no physical connection. They all send out and/or receive radio signals.

In the olden days, radios and TVs had dials that we rotated to find the station transmitting the program we wanted to listen to or watch. Today, this is done by electronics and software in the device being used. But you can fairly easily obtain or make the modern equivalents, which will allow you to “tune in to” – access - a broad range of radio transmissions, including phones, computers, locks and bells.

Some radio car door locks ring my doorbell. Do you remember a newspaper called “The News Of The World”? The reporters tuned-into celebs’ mobiles and the results were published.

This sort of eavesdropping is made more difficult by a process called “encryption”, which converts radio signals into what looks like random numbers before they are sent. This is done when you access you bank details on line, use your credit card, and do other things that should remain private. But it is too time-consuming, slow and therefore expensive, for the billions of signals received and sent during every second of every day of the year.

So yes, anyone with the right kit can hear and/or see exactly what you are doing with your phone or wi-fi computer. Your protection is that it is illegal, the sheer volume of signals, and the difficulty of identifying the person using the device that is sending out any particular signal.

Technology is the new “magic”, and the scientists are the new “magicians”. We can no longer see or understand how things work; most people haven’t a clue how even a simple clock works nowadays.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your mobile phone company know what your doing on the internet if they choose to. As posts above, without some effort you are not ever really private on the internet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All communication devices are radio senders and/or receivers, except those that have to have a wire or cable plugged into them. This includes all iterations of mobile phones, wi-fi devices, car door locks, contact credit cards, doorbells – anything that acts at a distance with no physical connection. They all send out and/or receive radio signals.

In the olden days, radios and TVs had dials that we rotated to find the station transmitting the program we wanted to listen to or watch. Today, this is done by electronics and software in the device being used. But you can fairly easily obtain or make the modern equivalents, which will allow you to “tune in to” – access - a broad range of radio transmissions, including phones, computers, locks and bells.

Some radio car door locks ring my doorbell. Do you remember a newspaper called “The News Of The World”? The reporters tuned-into celebs’ mobiles and the results were published.

This sort of eavesdropping is made more difficult by a process called “encryption”, which converts radio signals into what looks like random numbers before they are sent. This is done when you access you bank details on line, use your credit card, and do other things that should remain private. But it is too time-consuming, slow and therefore expensive, for the billions of signals received and sent during every second of every day of the year.

So yes, anyone with the right kit can hear and/or see exactly what you are doing with your phone or wi-fi computer. Your protection is that it is illegal, the sheer volume of signals, and the difficulty of identifying the person using the device that is sending out any particular signal.

Technology is the new “magic”, and the scientists are the new “magicians”. We can no longer see or understand how things work; most people haven’t a clue how even a simple clock works nowadays.

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No kit needed if you are the wifi administrator!

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth


"No kit needed if you are the wifi administrator!"

Yes, but he can't access mobiles

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By *icoleAndLisaTransCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Ellesmere Port

Get yourself a VPN service. PrivateTunnel works well, has Android and iOS clients, and is prepay per gigabyte, so they don't care how many devices you use it on. Used with care, and only when I needed it, it used to cost me about £2 a month.

PrivateTunnel does keep logs, so don't trust it to keep you safe of you're using it for Kodi or Bittorrent. But to keep prying eyes off what you're doing (legal, but potentially embarrassing) on someone else's Wi-Fi, it's fine. You should really be using VPN on any shared Wi-Fi service, for everything you do, not just for Fab.

I've since moved over to IPVanish (to cover my arse since the legal position changed with regard to streaming.) They don't keep logs, so you can stream and torrent without risk of being traced.

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By *emel9Man
over a year ago

West Midlands

Each device has at least one unique identifier...otherwise they'd not all be able to connect to any network...they'd clash. It's like your full home address is unique so the post office can deliver your mail.

Wi-Fi Admin will be able to see what devices are on the network, which Wi-Fi access point they are connected (so roughly where you are physically), what IP address has been allocated to it, what the device is named as in the name you've called your phone, and what websites they have visited...and for how long.

It's as simple as that. They couldn't say for certainty that it is YOU visiting the site..not unless, for example, your the only Tom Jones in the building and your device is called Tom Jones's Phone.

If you have a company device it's a totally different matter. They can tell exactly where you are in the building and if a decent IT exists, where you are anywhere in the world if the device is on...and what you are doing on it.

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By *emel9Man
over a year ago

West Midlands


"Get yourself a VPN service. PrivateTunnel works well, has Android and iOS clients, and is prepay per gigabyte, so they don't care how many devices you use it on. Used with care, and only when I needed it, it used to cost me about £2 a month.

PrivateTunnel does keep logs, so don't trust it to keep you safe of you're using it for Kodi or Bittorrent. But to keep prying eyes off what you're doing (legal, but potentially embarrassing) on someone else's Wi-Fi, it's fine. You should really be using VPN on any shared Wi-Fi service, for everything you do, not just for Fab.

I've since moved over to IPVanish (to cover my arse since the legal position changed with regard to streaming.) They don't keep logs, so you can stream and torrent without risk of being traced."

Lots of company networks block the use of VPN's.

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By *icoleAndLisaTransCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Ellesmere Port


"Each device has at least one unique identifier...otherwise they'd not all be able to connect to any network...they'd clash. It's like your full home address is unique so the post office can deliver your mail.

Wi-Fi Admin will be able to see what devices are on the network, which Wi-Fi access point they are connected (so roughly where you are physically), what IP address has been allocated to it, what the device is named as in the name you've called your phone, and what websites they have visited...and for how long.

It's as simple as that. They couldn't say for certainty that it is YOU visiting the site..not unless, for example, your the only Tom Jones in the building and your device is called Tom Jones's Phone.

If you have a company device it's a totally different matter. They can tell exactly where you are in the building and if a decent IT exists, where you are anywhere in the world if the device is on...and what you are doing on it."

Over https (as Fab runs) they'll only be able to tell that a particular device has visited this site. They won't know which pages were visited or have any of their content. But with a small and regular user base (small business or pub with mostly regulars) it might still tempt them to come sniffing round the site to see if they recognise anyone.

If they're craftier, they might be able to tie this to other data from the same device. You might access a regular http site that gives away your identity, or you might send or receive unencrypted email. Everything you view on an http (not https) website will be visible to them, including the contents of any private messages sent or received. If you send any e-mails via SMTP or receive via POP3, they will see your passwords too. The saying always used to be "Don't put anything in an email that you wouldn't write on a postcard."

VPN won't stop this data travelling across the Internet unencrypted, but it will secure you against the two least trustworthy parties: the person running your local Wi-Fi, and anyone else connected to it. Open Wi-Fi (no password) in particular is vulnerable to absolutely anyone joining the network and snooping on traffic. With WPA/WPA2 I believe individual encryption keys are used for each client, but apparently the right software can break those quite easily as long as you have the password to join the network.

If you're even asking the question "Is my data private?" you need to be investing in VPN.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I got paranoid about this a couple of months ago after my boss started saying fab a lot to me in normal conversations and making swinging references. Since then I only use mobile data to have a cheeky browse.

I would be mortified if I got the sack for perving on here!!!

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By *istressZoe OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

cheshire


"I got paranoid about this a couple of months ago after my boss started saying fab a lot to me in normal conversations and making swinging references. Since then I only use mobile data to have a cheeky browse.

I would be mortified if I got the sack for perving on here!!! "

The same thing happened to me !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone who is using their employers network to access fab is sitting on a can of worms potentially. For how much 3g/4g data thus site requires to view, it just isn't worth the risk. Fab is pretty data light, unless you're constantly perving the hotpics...

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Unless you want your work to know you are browsing Fab, and what pages you are viewing, don't use your works wifi to browse fab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a network engineer myself the answer is variable and it depends on how the corporate network is set send what probing software/devices are installed within its range.

The visibility depends on the monitoring methods but as a general not we can see that a specific device has attempted or has successfully established a connection to sorbic addresses or sites (hence FS too).

If there's an in-depth spoofing capability in the corporate network it would be possible to read transmission packets between a device and a website, ultimately resulting in more visibility of what's been transmitted (assuming that the transmission is not encrypted, which is often the case on public websites).

Base rule? If you want discretion and and your IT admins, stick to 3g

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The really simple answer is: In today's digital world of information any connection that is not using end-to-end encryption is vulnerable. Anyone who owns/controls one of the "hops" your information goes through can be view/log it.

The long answer is far more complex. The type of information that can be gained is different depending on the hop in the chain and what if any of that is encrypted.

As a general rule:

Http - plain text the whole way.

Https - browser-server encrypted once a connection/certificate is accepted.

DNS - ALWAYS plain text (the fabswingers.com part and when you looked it up)

A VPN is end-to-end encryption from your device to the VPN server. Then can be any mix of the above. Some networks block/restrict various VPN connection methods but good providers will have methods to get around this using various ways.

There are several YouTubers with some really good information. Darren Kitchen of HAK5 and Linus Sebastian of Linus Tech Tips are two of the more passionate and entertaining and easier to understand but still give very in-depth information and solutions.

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
Forum Mod
over a year ago

My Own Little World

I can log into my home router and see what websites have been used, I can even block my router allowing access to these sites if I wish. So yes it is possible, and no never use works internet for Fab or porn.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Don't use work wifi for anything you don't want to share with your HR people

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