FabSwingers.com forum: Piercings

By *iceButtSlim OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

Okay, I'm approaching a significant age later on and I've always fancied getting a piercing. Its not something I've ever done before, not even an ear.

I'd like something that can be discrete, so ear, nose tongue are pretty much out of the question. Although tongue could be quite good fun

So I've been thinking of nipple or cock, the only thing that plays on my mind is the discomfort after or the embarrassment when getting either of them done.

What are others experience with getting these things done?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I've had nothing like that done but rest assured the people who do that job have seen it all before

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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i do my own piercings but, like kinky says above, they have seen it all before and it's not embarrassing for them.

probably livens up a boring day of doing the usual shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My nipple hurt like hell but I'm guessing its not so bad for guys. I love how they look though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got a number of piercings and had no problem getting them done, they're professional people so you have nothing to worry about.

Do a bit of research at the different piercings you can get and look at the different healing times, also speak to the piercer for any advice they're extremely helpful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I (Mr) had my right nipple pierced 4 years ago. Hurt like f#%k.. I mean really hurt.. Fortunately, it settle down very quickly and I had no issues at all.. Go for it..

I ended up removing mine but I am happy I did it..

I really dong think you need to worry about being embarrassed..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My nut sack wasn't too uncomfortable well it can't have been otherwise I'd have stopped at just 1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have had my inner pussy lip, but it was taken out by my lover and by the time I got to see him again 5 days later it had healed up.

I had my clit hood done on Friday it hurt having it done but now it's fine. Am sure in the next hr or so I will find out how it is as my lover is coming to visit lol

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By *ussexsocialMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

I've had my nippple and a Prince Albert piercing done, and can honestly say I'd prefer the PA any day , a lot less painful than the nipple and heals really really quickly

the only downside is some people are put off by it but as I say it can always be taken out when needed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had my ears, eyebrow and lip pierced in the past but don't have any in now. I feel I've outgrew them.

When I got my eyebrow done, my cousin had his nipple done at the same time. There was a gentleman in the reception covered from head to toe in piercings and tattoo's and he said the worst pain of them all was his nipple. The reaction of my cousin after he got his done solidified the mans comment!

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By *ishandwantCouple
over a year ago

Wellingborough

"My nipple hurt like hell but I'm guessing its not so bad for guys. I love how they look though."

Don't you believe it

I had both of mine done many years ago, along with other piercings too, and I can honestly say that absolutely nothing hurt as bad as those two.

Most are a very bearable pain but these actually floored me. I think it was because I had them sunk so deep though.

As for the P.A., that was not a problem at all. Quite painless as it goes and heals very quickly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go for it. Nipple piercing hurts like hell and I had them done a year apart but well worth it. As for genitals? The P.A was pretty painless as it was well anethnatised and the ones in my nuts was similar to a bee/nettle sting. However,the endorphins soon kick in and reduce the pain to a gentle throbbing. Its all over and done in a few seconds and every piercing professional has seen their fair share of pricks n pussys so dont worry about that(after all,you are on a swingers site!) The important thing is after care which you must stick to religously as a gammy nipple is excrusiatingly painfull.

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By *r tool 77Man
over a year ago

Derby

I have 32 mm holes in my ears my septum done eye brow the all hurt like hell but the worst was haveing my nipples coloured in when I had my chest piece done just close your eyes it's over in a second just do it dude and may I say the lady's are dam hot who posted. Ohhhh there's a line

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had both nipples, nose, monroe (cheek piercing), belly button, tongue and clit hood done. I've had sex with a guy with a PA.

I loved the PA, definitely like to experience it again.

My clot good hurt like a bitch for a split second then was fine, had sex the next day. All others took a bit longer, my tongue being the longest and most painful.

Go for it. You have nothing to feel embarrassed about as it's their job. But think carefully as the healing process and time is different for them all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm going to get my nose and my tragus done this week. I want my nippes done too

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By *laymates7Woman
over a year ago

Isle of Wight

I've had and still have several piercings, none of which hurt much apart from the initial few seconds but everyone's pain threshold is different and everyone's body parts are different, some more suitable for piercing than others, I was told by my piercer that I had the perfect nipples for it and I love them. My friend had hers done at the same time and hers hurt for ages. If you fancy it, just do it but ask the professionals advice for what would be best for you.

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By *iceButtSlim OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

I can imagine that piercings a nipple is more painful for men as it has more niece endings in it than for women.

On doing a bit of reading about the process, it says to abstain from sex (Inc oral and self pleasure) until it heels up quoting 6~8 weeks. Plus having the fun and games of controlling where the pee goes.

So plenty of food for thought, thanks all.

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By *he horny kinkstersCouple
over a year ago

North West

"I've had my nippple and a Prince Albert piercing done, and can honestly say I'd prefer the PA any day , a lot less painful than the nipple and heals really really quickly

the only downside is some people are put off by it but as I say it can always be taken out when needed

Same situation here.

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By *kultraCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

I had both my nipples pierced for my birthday in march. I don't think it hurt that much at all really. Yes they were very sore and felt bruised after for a couple of days but then fine after that. I say go for it x

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By *ot40sCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"Okay, I'm approaching a significant age later on and I've always fancied getting a piercing. Its not something I've ever done before, not even an ear.

I'd like something that can be discrete, so ear, nose tongue are pretty much out of the question. Although tongue could be quite good fun

So I've been thinking of nipple or cock, the only thing that plays on my mind is the discomfort after or the embarrassment when getting either of them done.

What are others experience with getting these things done?"

You are on a swinging site and your embarrassed to get a piercing... this made me lol !!!

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By *iceButtSlim OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

You are on a swinging site and your embarrassed to get a piercing... this made me lol !!!

Yeah I know, probably more like getting over the nervousness rather than embarrassment, I even need a little bit of Dutch courage when meeting new people for a meet.

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By *erryhallMan
over a year ago

birmingham

I had a pa done about 6 years ago and I love it the only drawback is having to sit down to pee as the flow is very hard to control and if you meet someone that doesn't like it you can allways take it out and pop it back in later

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got several piercings and didn't find any of them particularly painful,a couple were slightly uncomfortable when I had them done but as someone else has already posted,everybody's pain threshold is different.

Do your research and make sure you visit a reputable piercer as piercings can be a lot of trouble if done incorrectly or if your aftercare isn't up to scratch.

Nothing to be embarrassed about either,any decent piercer will have seen it all before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My nipple piercing didn't really hurt much getting pierced but the pain after is pretty bad, took mine about 2 months to heal although for some people it's a lot longer! Definitely makes it more sensitive, 10+ years later and it's still pierced

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just had my first experience with a guy and a large 6mm PA, DAMN loved the feel of the steel ring with ball as it pounded my throat then my pussy, go for it

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By *he horny kinkstersCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Just had my first experience with a guy and a large 6mm PA, DAMN loved the feel of the steel ring with ball as it pounded my throat then my pussy, go for it"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nipple pericings on guys..... abit 'frankie goes to Hollywood' for me....

it would turn me off

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By *iavelmanMan
over a year ago

Worcester

I started with a nipple piercing at a one day music festival. No freeze spray or anything and it hurt like hell. That was just the clamp! Then the needle came so hurt twice as much! Bad idea getting it done as it kept getting knocked in the crowd. Lesson learnt.

Next was a PA. Not as painful as the nipple but I bled. Had to get some panty liners to stop the blood coming through my pants and trousers for the first day or two. After it had settled it didn't take long till I wanted to get a larger gauge. Got stretched. That hurt! After that the stretch came naturally until I got to 10mm and the weight of the ring got a bit daft. I eventually gave up wearing it because it could be uncomfortable and I thought it was in danger of just wearing right through. Still pop it in for special occasions.

After that came the Frenum. That is now stretched to 5mm with 10mm ball ends and is much more comfortable. I rarely take it out and it is usually well received by the ladies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just had my tragus and nose done. The nose hurt but the tragus was absolutely fine. Nips next I think

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By *inky CyclerMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Had my nipple done a few years back and the worst pain was from the clamp when the piercer grabbed it. The pain of the clamp made me forget the pain of the needle despite the piercer warning me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a frenulum piercing, It's generated some interest and Sarah really likes it. She enjoys playing with it during oral.

It was not painful to get done, bled a little and healed fully in a couple of months. We had sex a couple of days after having it done and it was ok.

I would say choose what you want, I did ton's of research before I had mine done it literally took less than a minute and being the oddball I am, I enjoyed watching it being done. Totally professional service at NPNG in Shipley. She didn't even laugh at how tiny my cock is!

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By *iceButtSlim OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

Well after a bit of working out what to do and when, plus a good chat with the piercer while a friend I was with had their tattoo done. I took the plunge last week and got a lower frenum. Its my first piercing and must say it wasn't as bad as I had feared, so much so that I'm thinking about getting a few more done to create a ladder

, so long as things heal up nicely.

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

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By *obtailbtWoman
over a year ago

st helens

Go for it, love mine xx

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By *iercedCplCouple
over a year ago

Greater Manchester

I have had both my nipple and Prince Albert done, and can confidently say that the PA was much less painful and healed much quicker.

Getting an erection was the last thing on my mind tbh!

I was much more preoccupied with the needle he was about to stick through it!

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By *iercedCplCouple
over a year ago

Greater Manchester

Ah just seen you've got it done, I want a ladder next, but I am worried about the chance of it migrating.

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By *icoleAndLisaTransCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Ellesmere Port

I have a guiche (perineum) piercing. Basically a ring (originally a barbell) about half way between ball sack and bum hole. It's discreet in the sense that nobody gets to see it unless I bend over naked, and it doesn't set off airport metal detectors

I was told it would feel nice when I walked. It was sore when I first had it done, and then it had no sensation at all. I had a bigger ring put in and it felt nice for about half an hour. Then back to forgetting it's even there again.

It gets some interesting reactions when someone finds it by surprise. I've had one or two pull on it, thinking it shouldn't be there, but most twig what it is straight away.

It makes shaving that area rather difficult. And in all honesty, if I'd known I would get so little sensation from it, I probably wouldn't have bothered. Though somewhat contradictory to that, I keep thinking of getting another one about 1cm in front of it and maybe another the same distance behind. Bigger jewellery makes it sore, but adding weight creates a nice sensation. I fancy having more so I could link them with chain and add a bit of weight and movement that way.

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By *iceButtSlim OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

I have wondered how I'd shave with having a ladder, but I guess once all healled up they can simply be removed if required.

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By *anielpiercedMan
over a year ago

by the seaside

"I have wondered how I'd shave with having a ladder, but I guess once all healled up they can simply be removed if required."

I have a 6 bar ladder in large gauges and tbh it's easy to shave just do it when you take them out to clean them.

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By *arren e treggidenMan
over a year ago

pembroke dock wales

"Okay, I'm approaching a significant age later on and I've always fancied getting a piercing. Its not something I've ever done before, not even an ear.

I'd like something that can be discrete, so ear, nose tongue are pretty much out of the question. Although tongue could be quite good fun

So I've been thinking of nipple or cock, the only thing that plays on my mind is the discomfort after or the embarrassment when getting either of them done.

What are others experience with getting these things done?"

Hi I am a piercer I own safer piercing uk my recommendation is nipple a bit painful but it's safer. Any genital piercing that enters a vagina can and does pick up bacteria. This can then be passed on if you have multi partners. It is often a put off to ladies. Yes you can remove it there is still the hole that can pick up any germs to pass on. Think safety. Be safe

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By *icoleAndLisaTransCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Ellesmere Port

"I have wondered how I'd shave with having a ladder, but I guess once all healled up they can simply be removed if required.

I have a 6 bar ladder in large gauges and tbh it's easy to shave just do it when you take them out to clean them."

I prefer not to take my guiche out unless I'm changing the jewellery. It is impossible to see directly and a mirror just confuses me, so I have to do it by feel. I can get it out easily enough and even get the ring back in after a couple of tries, but doing the ball closure purely by feel is very hit and miss, and sometimes takes me ages.

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By *anzellMan
over a year ago

Essex

I got my tongue pierced....seemed to have gone down very well!!!

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"Okay, I'm approaching a significant age later on and I've always fancied getting a piercing. Its not something I've ever done before, not even an ear.

I'd like something that can be discrete, so ear, nose tongue are pretty much out of the question. Although tongue could be quite good fun

So I've been thinking of nipple or cock, the only thing that plays on my mind is the discomfort after or the embarrassment when getting either of them done.

What are others experience with getting these things done?

I've didn't know that the vagina can be pierced? If you mean the labia and the area of the vulva, surely any piercing in that area is safe once it's healed? Unless it suffers any infection or trauma, how can bacteria get into the bloodstream?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Got my lorum pierced. Love it, have to say increases pleasure especially with do and toys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Okay, I'm approaching a significant age later on and I've always fancied getting a piercing. Its not something I've ever done before, not even an ear.

I'd like something that can be discrete, so ear, nose tongue are pretty much out of the question. Although tongue could be quite good fun

So I've been thinking of nipple or cock, the only thing that plays on my mind is the discomfort after or the embarrassment when getting either of them done.

What are others experience with getting these things done?

Have you had your nipples pierced ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I decided to have my christina piercing removed as it was growing out

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By *arren e treggidenMan
over a year ago

pembroke dock wales

"Okay, I'm approaching a significant age later on and I've always fancied getting a piercing. Its not something I've ever done before, not even an ear.

I'd like something that can be discrete, so ear, nose tongue are pretty much out of the question. Although tongue could be quite good fun

So I've been thinking of nipple or cock, the only thing that plays on my mind is the discomfort after or the embarrassment when getting either of them done.

What are others experience with getting these things done?

You misread or my punctuation was referring to genital male piercings entering

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By *reakShow90Man
over a year ago

Manchester/halifax

Mate do it if thats what you wanna do then do it trust me there are much weirder things out there

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By *icoleAndLisaTransCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Ellesmere Port

Nobody seems to have picked up on discomfort and embarrassment. Including me last time round.

Discomfort: I had a blood sample taken at the hospital the same week. It hurt more than my guiche piercing did. But it depends on the sensitivity of the area being pierced. I believe an ampallang (horizontal bar right through the head of the penis) is one of the most painful. Afterwards, my guiche was tender for a few weeks, but not stinging or especially painful. When I had my ears done (Just went to Claire's) it felt hot, rather than painful.

Embarrassment: if you're getting a genital piercing, go somewhere that lists them on their price list. I got my guiche done at such a place, but have been to others to have the jewellery changed when I wasn't confident about doing it myself. I've had total acceptance. I've had one politely make excuses to not do it. I've had one ask me what a guiche was, and look at me in horror as some kind of pervert when I explained it to them. That was on Langworthy Road in Salford for those who want to avoid it.

I'd still recommend the guiche if you want a discreet genital piercing. Nobody will see it unless you bend over while naked.

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"I decided to have my christina piercing removed as it was growing out

Unfortunately, christinas have a high rejection rate. I would love one too, but there's several factors that make this piercing not viable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I decided to have my christina piercing removed as it was growing out

Unfortunately, christinas have a high rejection rate. I would love one too, but there's several factors that make this piercing not viable.

3rd time in 4 years so i decided enough is enough, but feels strange now without a piercing i can feel in my knickers

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"I decided to have my christina piercing removed as it was growing out

Unfortunately, christinas have a high rejection rate. I would love one too, but there's several factors that make this piercing not viable.

3rd time in 4 years so i decided enough is enough, but feels strange now without a piercing i can feel in my knickers"

That's a shame, as they're really pretty to have, but it sounds like you gave it a good try.

I'm on my third go at a navel piercing. The first time, it was done too high and shallow and even though it healed, it started to reject, like your Christina. The second time, the guy pierced it crooked, with the top hole too high above the navel. This caused the piercing to reject or migrate, as there wasn't enough room in the jewellery to accommodate the swelling and thus made the jewellery start the twist to the side, with the top hole becoming very irritated.

This time, I went to a more reputable piercer who's done a 'floating' navel, where the jewel is at the top hole and a flat disk in the navel. 5 weeks in and it's doing fine!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have lots of piercings. The first one i went for was my nipple. I didn't find it sore but everyones different. As foe proper intimates it wasn't awkward but thats cause by the time i got it done i was really good friends witb my piercers. So my advice is talk to them and have a laugh if you go for a pa or something like that then just relax and try not to annoy then as they can make it uncomfortable if yoy annoy them haha. Good luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I decided to have my christina piercing removed as it was growing out

Unfortunately, christinas have a high rejection rate. I would love one too, but there's several factors that make this piercing not viable.

3rd time in 4 years so i decided enough is enough, but feels strange now without a piercing i can feel in my knickers

That's a shame, as they're really pretty to have, but it sounds like you gave it a good try.

This time, I went to a more reputable piercer who's done a 'floating' navel, where the jewel is at the top hole and a flat disk in the navel. 5 weeks in and it's doing fine!

i think you hit the nail in the head a good piercer

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By *igerlilycubWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire

My nipple piercing hurt like hell. Took ages to heal but I love it still 9 years later.

My clit hood piercing was a breeze. Hurt for few mins. Was healed in a week. Definitely makes it more sensitive in a good way.

I wasn't in anyway embarrassed even though a man pierced me. He was totally professional and made me feel at ease.

I'd say go for it

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By *iercedCplCouple
over a year ago

Greater Manchester

"My nipple piercing hurt like hell. Took ages to heal but I love it still 9 years later.

My clit hood piercing was a breeze. Hurt for few mins. Was healed in a week. Definitely makes it more sensitive in a good way.

I wasn't in anyway embarrassed even though a man pierced me. He was totally professional and made me feel at ease.

I'd say go for it

My nip hurt far more than my PA, and J had her nips done after the VCH, and she said the same nips hurt like hell.

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"My nipple piercing hurt like hell. Took ages to heal but I love it still 9 years later.

My clit hood piercing was a breeze. Hurt for few mins. Was healed in a week. Definitely makes it more sensitive in a good way.

I wasn't in anyway embarrassed even though a man pierced me. He was totally professional and made me feel at ease.

I'd say go for it

My nip hurt far more than my PA, and J had her nips done after the VCH, and she said the same nips hurt like hell.

They hurt more than my VCH, too. When I had my left nip repierced, the piercer was so quick, it cause my left arm to involuntary raise up - luckily, after it had been done. It did hurt for the rest of the day, but thank goodness for partner's painkillers!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nipples hurt slightly more than my PA which didn't hurt at all..then everyone has differant pain thresholds

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By *istressZoeTV/TS
over a year ago

cheshire

For a thread on piercings there is some same advice for a change xx

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Okay, I'm approaching a significant age later on and I've always fancied getting a piercing. Its not something I've ever done before, not even an ear.

I'd like something that can be discrete, so ear, nose tongue are pretty much out of the question. Although tongue could be quite good fun

So I've been thinking of nipple or cock, the only thing that plays on my mind is the discomfort after or the embarrassment when getting either of them done.

What are others experience with getting these things done?"

I have had a cock piercing (Prince Albert). I still have a tongue piercing.

Getting my cock pierced was extremely painful. After getting it done for the next 7 days it hurt when I had a piss. I had to wait for it to heal before having unprotected sex or receiving oral sex. A problem I got was pissing, because of the cock ring my piss would come out in 2 streams. That meant one stream was always missing the spot so to speak. I had to start pissing sitting down. 1 or 2 women I met on fab was intrigued by my cock piercing. Most asked me to take it out before penetration or giving me oral sex. In the end I took my Prince Albert out. Hopefully you can understand why.

My tongue piercing is totally different. Getting it done was painless. I love my tongue piercing. I have yet to have anybody ask me take it out. The tongue piercing is designed for giving woman oral sex. The bar is designed to stimulate the clit as you tongue the pussy. Also you can get a cool device called the Tiggler (Google vibrating tiggler). The Tiggler is a vibrating tongue piercing. You take your normal tongue piercing and put the Tiggler in. It’s like having a mini vibrator attached to your tongue. Naturally the tiggler is great for giving women oral sex. It’s also great for giving long slow all over the kissing/body tongue massages. It leaves the skin feeling all tingly and warm. All the women I have give oral sex to using my Tiggler loved it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally i didnt like it when someone did it to me

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By *istressZoeTV/TS
over a year ago

cheshire

Just renewed my hafada piercing yesterday x

No pain x

CBR ring in x

Aesthetically pleasing and feels great x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just renewed my hafada piercing yesterday x

No pain x

CBR ring in x

Aesthetically pleasing and feels great x"

ouchy but i bet looks good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nipples hurt slightly more than my PA which didn't hurt at all..then everyone has differant pain thresholds

Your PA didn't hurt ??? Yeah right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had the hood of my clit pierced about 5 weeks ago. I love it, so does the other half!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I had the hood of my clit pierced about 5 weeks ago. I love it, so does the other half!!!"

I bet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hubby wants me to get hood done does it hurt

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By *istressZoeTV/TS
over a year ago

cheshire

"hubby wants me to get hood done does it hurt"

I believe the healing time is very quick x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hubby wants me to get hood done does it hurt

I believe the healing time is very quick x"

week or so im led to believe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hubby wants me to get hood done does it hurt"

Are you getting it done?

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By *iercedCplCouple
over a year ago

Greater Manchester

"hubby wants me to get hood done does it hurt

I believe the healing time is very quick x

week or so im led to believe"

6 weeks roughly to fully heal.

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By *iercedCplCouple
over a year ago

Greater Manchester

"hubby wants me to get hood done does it hurt

I believe the healing time is very quick x

week or so im led to believe"

It hurts for about 5 seconds, over very very quickly. Healing is a doddle. More or less recovered within a week, but to "fully heal" you would be looking at 6 weeks to avoid jacuzzis and unprotected / oral sex.

Well worth having though, increases sensation loads x J x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had my lorum done. Hardly any pain, just like a sting and healed ok. After care and keep it clean for first month or two is crucial. Feels great now and thinking of getting another.

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Nipples hurt slightly more than my PA which didn't hurt at all..then everyone has differant pain thresholds

Now way did it not hurt when you got your PA done. I have had it done. It's very painful. I have a high pain threshold.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every piercing heals differently ..if it heals!

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"Nipples hurt slightly more than my PA which didn't hurt at all..then everyone has differant pain thresholds

Now way did it not hurt when you got your PA done. I have had it done. It's very painful. I have a high pain threshold. "

How people experiences pain is subjective to that person. I recently had a daith and 4th lobe piercings n one sitting. The daith was done first. The lobes hurt more than the daith, probably due to my adrenaline wearing off by the time the lobes were done. So if he had both piercings done together, it's possible that if his PA was done first, his adrenaline had worn off when his nipples were done. It's know that some studios offer doing lobe piercings simultaneously to reduce any pain for children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

remember whatever you decide - if you dont like it you can just remove and let it close up

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