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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Hi all,

last night was my first 4some - awesome, except that the guy took photos, and maybe film, even tho' I'd asked him several times not to. So I left, quite cross, this morning they've blocked me. Can I do anything to stop him posting / using those pics?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi all,

last night was my first 4some - awesome, except that the guy took photos, and maybe film, even tho' I'd asked him several times not to. So I left, quite cross, this morning they've blocked me. Can I do anything to stop him posting / using those pics?"

In future don't get yourself involved in those kind of situations

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

Wasn't this discussed beforehand? If not it should of been

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By *iscean MaleMan
over a year ago

Darlaston

Unfortunaltely if these are now posted across the net..fab etc.. you get into the realms of prooving it was him. He could say he lost his camera etc etc etc..

And to stop him using them..? Unless he actually does anything with the pics at first.. police will show little interest.. ok the moral ethical respect elemement still remains about taking pics without approval whilst in compromising situations. People take pics all the time of people at home and dont really think much about it. Ie birthday parties etc.. But when the pics are of a compromising situation.. just imagine going to a police station and reporting a man was taking pics of me shagging and I told him not to.

But as said above.. learn and move on from this episode..

Good luck

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By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast


"Hi all,

last night was my first 4some - awesome, except that the guy took photos, and maybe film, even tho' I'd asked him several times not to. So I left, quite cross, this morning they've blocked me. Can I do anything to stop him posting / using those pics?"

So he continued recording you after you asked him to stop several times?

And you didn't leave after the first time ?

Christ, and people wonder how some folks end up in vulnerable positions.

For the record, I would have either personally cleared the memory or, if that was resisted, take the fucking camera home with me

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By *lighty1Woman
over a year ago

You Dont Need to Know, right now


"...the guy took photos, and maybe film, even tho' I'd asked him several times not to. "

It was appalling bad manners of him to take pictures without getting your permission first. However, you should have left, after asking him ONCE... not several times.

If he publishes them on the Web, the police will only be able to take action if you can show them the site(s) where they are appearing. And they may still be unable to take action if they are published on sites which are hosted outside of the UK.

Next time, pick your playmates more carefully, and leave AT ONCE if they do anything you are uncomfortable with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Take phone, smash phone, insert broken shards into said persons anus.

That was the course of action you should have taken.

As it stands now you've basicaly got zero control over those pics and they will almost certainly be shared with others via kik/whatsapp who may then upload them elsewhere.

Legal or not you cant close pandoras box.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

If you were in his home, he has the right to take photos/video.

However, if he posts any material without your permission then he is breaking the law and can be prosecuted. In addition, if you find any material on a website, email the organisation saying that a video/photo of you is on their site without your consent and most will remove it.

Someone I know was in this situation, and by the time she found the video it had spread to several well known sites...but all removed it on request.

While it is legal to take photos of guests in your own home, it is the height of rudeness to do so. You certainly won't be going back to them. If you know their username you could also complain to Fab. Such behaviour spoils this for all of us in the end.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry ...seems like you're fucked ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you were in his home, he has the right to take photos/video.

"

No he doesn't.

People have been jailed for filming them and thier oartners having sex without thier permision.

As she explicity told him he did not have her consent with witneses she could take him to court.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If there is no model release form signed then no, they cannot use your photos legally in any capacity, it would also be worth reporting them to admin regarding this behaviour, it will highlight to admin that some of the pictures they may try and upload don't have the permission of the people in them.

You were explicit in your demand to stop, as is your right, we don't give up our rights when we enter another house.

What a total bunch of twats... had to be said..

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

You have the right to photograph anyone in your own home.

I had this personally confirmed by the police when an over-zealous window salesman started giving me the hard sell. I began shooting video on my phone to which he objected, and I pointed out that I can photo/video him as long as he stays in my home.

This was confirmed when the police were called as he refused to leave. Inside your own home you can photograph anything that takes place.

HOWEVER, that material cannot be posted to any video sharing sites without the permission of everyone in the video. And I am not defending the actions of anyone who photographs a swinging meet without the consent of everyone involved. Just pointing out the legalities...what the OP can and cannot do. If footage appears on any sites, the OP can ask to have it removed and can take a complaint to the police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry ...seems like you're fucked ..."

be nice to see the pics tho

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By *lighty1Woman
over a year ago

You Dont Need to Know, right now


"You have the right to photograph anyone in your own home. "

You have the right to photograph anyone in your own home UNLESS they have the reasonable expectation of privacy. Having sex with someone (even if you are in their home) you have the reasonable expectation of privacy. In your example of the over-zealous salesman, he didn't have the reasonable expectation of privacy. It is the nature of the sexual act which bring with it the reasonable expectation of privacy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You have the right to photograph anyone in your own home.

I had this personally confirmed by the police when an over-zealous window salesman started giving me the hard sell. I began shooting video on my phone to which he objected, and I pointed out that I can photo/video him as long as he stays in my home.

This was confirmed when the police were called as he refused to leave. Inside your own home you can photograph anything that takes place.

HOWEVER, that material cannot be posted to any video sharing sites without the permission of everyone in the video. And I am not defending the actions of anyone who photographs a swinging meet without the consent of everyone involved. Just pointing out the legalities...what the OP can and cannot do. If footage appears on any sites, the OP can ask to have it removed and can take a complaint to the police."

Its very differnt filming a salesman and filming a sex act.

One has the expectation ot privacy.

And also breaks the voyeurism laws.

People have gone to jail for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You have the right to photograph anyone in your own home.

You have the right to photograph anyone in your own home UNLESS they have the reasonable expectation of privacy. Having sex with someone (even if you are in their home) you have the reasonable expectation of privacy. In your example of the over-zealous salesman, he didn't have the reasonable expectation of privacy. It is the nature of the sexual act which bring with it the reasonable expectation of privacy."

Exactly no jury in the land will ever agree that somone having sex in a private residence does not have the reasonable expectation of privacy.

And again there are specific laws covering sexual activity that wouldnt apply to your salesman.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

FlirtyN....possibly. The police officer I spoke to did say I could photograph anything that takes place in my home though the circumstances were very different.

I am attempting to look this up. "Reasonable expectation of privacy" does prevent some photography in public places such as photographing someone entering their PIN in a cash machine, or taking a pee against a wall. I haven't yet found that in relation to taking photos in one's home but you could be right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You have the right to photograph anyone in your own home.

You have the right to photograph anyone in your own home UNLESS they have the reasonable expectation of privacy. Having sex with someone (even if you are in their home) you have the reasonable expectation of privacy. In your example of the over-zealous salesman, he didn't have the reasonable expectation of privacy. It is the nature of the sexual act which bring with it the reasonable expectation of privacy."

^^ This right here.

I write about the legalities of photography sometime, and this just about covers it in the UK. You can photograph anyone, pretty much anywhere. Unless they have a reasonable expectation of privacy (and 'reasonable' is different for different people and different places. I would go so far as to say that a judge would not think that a swinger had a reasonable expectation of privacy since they engage in promiscuous behaviour, shagging strangers in their houses.)

BTW - to the chap above who mentioned model releases - no. You are incorrect. You do not require a model release in order to publish photographs of someone (however you might need proof of their age, depending on what kind of material you are publishing.)

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

For the voyeurism law to come into force, the intention would have to be to share the photos with a third party - sharing the material online or physically.

"A person commits an offence if he records another person doing a private act, and he does so with the intention that a third person will, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, look at an image of the other person doing the act, and he knows that the other person does not consent to his recording the act with that intention."

So it does all seem to point to little recourse being available unless the OP has evidence that the person taking the photos/video intends to share the material.

Now it is certainly arguable that sharing the material so that people get get off on it is likely to be the intention, but until the material appears somewhere it's very difficult (if not impossible) to prove.

First step would be to report the member to Fab admin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For the voyeurism law to come into force, the intention would have to be to share the photos with a third party - sharing the material online or physically.

"A person commits an offence if he records another person doing a private act, and he does so with the intention that a third person will, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, look at an image of the other person doing the act, and he knows that the other person does not consent to his recording the act with that intention."

So it does all seem to point to little recourse being available unless the OP has evidence that the person taking the photos/video intends to share the material.

Now it is certainly arguable that sharing the material so that people get get off on it is likely to be the intention, but until the material appears somewhere it's very difficult (if not impossible) to prove.

First step would be to report the member to Fab admin."

I think you would struggle to argue, in todays world, that you were only taking this kind of picture for your own eyes.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton


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I think you would struggle to argue, in todays world, that you were only taking this kind of picture for your own eyes."

Possibly but burden of proof always lies with the prosecution. If the person taking the photos can demonstrate that they've never uploaded them to any sites, and nobody can find a third person who has seen them, I doubt I would vote "guilty" if I were on a jury.

Again, I am not defending this person's actions...photographing a meet without someone's consent is a horrible thing to do. Anyone in the OP's situation might be worried for months about possible consequences. Consent is a big part of sex, and I firmly believe that includes photographing a session...but the law may well permit it. I am still unable to find anything relating to "reasonable expectation of privacy" applying to one's own home. The Voyeurism law does not stop taking photos of someone committing "a private act" without their consent...only sharing those photos with a third party for that third party's sexual gratification.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Possibly but burden of proof always lies with the prosecution. If the person taking the photos can demonstrate that they've never uploaded them to any sites, and nobody can find a third person who has seen them, I doubt I would vote "guilty" if I were on a jury. "

It's impossible to prove that you've not uploaded an image onto the internet.

The very fact that the individual was asked to stop and then carry on would suggest malicious intent here.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

Oh I am not defending the person, not for one moment. But legal recourse may be difficult unless the worst happens and the photos appear somewhere.

However a police examination of a person's computers and records from their ISP would show any uploads to porn sites. In addition, once in possession of the original material it is not difficult to reverse search and see if it's hosted anywhere on the web. A competent person could be 95% sure whether or not the photos/video had been posted to any video/photo sharing sites.

Another point about the voyeur law, it is probably intended to allow for private security cameras to operate inside a home without the owner worrying about a house guest later complaining. That seems to be how the law is written...but by the letter of the law, intent to share the material with a third party for sexual gratification must be proved.

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By *llen n SebbCouple
over a year ago

Walkinstown

Where did the event occur ?

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton


"Where did the event occur ?"

It might well be more clear cut if it occurred away from the host's home.

Was it a hotel? Or more interestingly a club? If the latter, the club will want to know and may well take action.

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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago

leeds


"Where did the event occur ?

It might well be more clear cut if it occurred away from the host's home.

Was it a hotel? Or more interestingly a club? If the latter, the club will want to know and may well take action."

What action ? Even on private property you can only be asked to stop . They don't have any rights over the images nor can they make you delete the images or even demand to view them . The person who took the image owns the copyright and can do pretty much whatever they want with it sadly. You live and learn from things like this and don't put yourself in a compromising situation if you don't want the possibility of things like this occurring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where did the event occur ?

It might well be more clear cut if it occurred away from the host's home.

Was it a hotel? Or more interestingly a club? If the latter, the club will want to know and may well take action.

What action ? Even on private property you can only be asked to stop . They don't have any rights over the images nor can they make you delete the images or even demand to view them . The person who took the image owns the copyright and can do pretty much whatever they want with it sadly. "

They would however have the right to have you prosecuted for voyeurism.

You cant just film people having sex without thier consent and then do whatever you like with it.

By making it they broke laws if they uploaded it anywhere or shared it they'd break more laws.

Do you really think the law is that much of an ass that this issue never got covered?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/s67__voyeurism/

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

If it took place at a club...all reputable clubs have rules which prohibit or severely restrict photography on site (eg professional photographer might be present).

The OP could complain if this occurred at a club and the person/people making the photographs would at least be open to being banned from the club...and possibly having their names passed onto other clubs.

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

We like photos but always discuss the matter before we start and if the people we're with say no, then the camera gets put away. One of those things you MUST talk about beforehand, like condoms. Nothing you can do about it now but next time say you don't want pics or videos.

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By *v_heatherTV/TS
over a year ago

Leeds

Absinthe_boy - where has that definition of voyeurism (the offence) come from as the version on legislation.gov (google s.67 sexual offences) has a different wording of:

"he does so with the intention that he or a third person will, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, look at an image of B doing the act...."

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

It came from two legal sites...one advice site and one from a lawyer.

Interesting that the government site is different....under that definition one might well have a chance of a prosecution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi all,

last night was my first 4some - awesome, except that the guy took photos, and maybe film, even tho' I'd asked him several times not to. So I left, quite cross, this morning they've blocked me. Can I do anything to stop him posting / using those pics?"

We only accommodate at ours because i'm fearful of that very thing happening.Sorry to hear that happened to you.Sadly i think you may have to put that one down to experience

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By *horeyMan
over a year ago

Calne


"BTW - to the chap above who mentioned model releases - no. You are incorrect. You do not require a model release in order to publish photographs of someone (however you might need proof of their age, depending on what kind of material you are publishing.)"

That's almost true for the UK (different story if photos are to be published internationally, particularly the US). In general (ignoring the fact the photos were of a sexual nature) the rights to any image taken by a photographer in the UK automatically belong to the photographer (the people in the photo have no rights to them...unless they are a public figure in which case they have a right for their 'name, fame and image' not to be exploited).

For photographs that are obviously posed, taken with strobe lighting etc, the assumption in the UK is that the people in the photos must have given their consent or it wouldn't have been possible for the photo to be taken; and hence a model release is not required. This would be harder to argue with a photo that is 'candid'.

Where it also becomes a grey area is images posted on a website as even if the intention was only for them to be seen in the UK, they can also be seen elsewhere.

To avoid any doubt I always get releases signed and rights clarified/assigned/agreed.

Slightly OT, sorry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I ask any visitors to leave their phones in a safe keeping box if I'm entertaining visitors. I love photos and videos being taken but it needs to be with my camera and on my terms unless otherwise agreed, it's one of the only things I'm bossy about! I always share the majority of the pics after ive had time to edit any that I need anyway. As others have said, agree beforehand and end it if any rules are broken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I take lots of pics on various meets..I will in most cases ask for it being ok to display on MY profile if I'm in the pics.

Over the years I've met couples though, happy to take their own pics but not let me take any.......its quite a turn off.even worse when they('they') decide not to mail any back...

on a few profiles(sorry those I've met IF you are reading),I've found myself almost full facial in various shots.... something I'd never do to anyone..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I take lots of pics on various meets..I will in most cases ask for it being ok to display on MY profile if I'm in the pics.

Over the years I've met couples though, happy to take their own pics but not let me take any.......its quite a turn off.even worse when they('they') decide not to mail any back...

on a few profiles(sorry those I've met IF you are reading),I've found myself almost full facial in various shots.... something I'd never do to anyone.."

It's a tricky one I think and down to personal feelings. I like to be in control of any photos if I'm organising and will make sure that's clear before arrangements are made.

I do love to share though being the exhibitionist I am so always send pics on.

Showing you full face on their own profile without permission is a crappy thing to do .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just glad most my nonsense was done before camera phones and internet were fully mainstream. In saying that, camera and videos nowadays can be so small and easily hidden, you would have no idea if you were being filmed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A very tricky issue. We strictly have a no face pic while being nude or playing policy. Future, we always make it clear during playtime that all pics will be taken onky in our phone and then after vetting ( ie ensuring no face pics), we share the pictures with our meets.

We recently played with a married women, while she accepted our conditions, ie pics were taken on our phone - but the whole play was watched by her husband on FAceTime, as he wont participate in meets or play (it's their fantasy- who are we to say no (lol)).

All that is fine, except the guy took lots of screenshots of FaceTime without informing us and then posted few pics of the threeosome with our faces on a different swinging website, in which we recently became member.

Though when confronted they removed the pic from their profile, but this as left a bad taste in our mouth and don't think we can ever trust them or meet them.

Shame, how people find ways to screw up a perfect meet.

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By *Carver-Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"You have the right to photograph anyone in your own home.

You have the right to photograph anyone in your own home UNLESS they have the reasonable expectation of privacy. Having sex with someone (even if you are in their home) you have the reasonable expectation of privacy. In your example of the over-zealous salesman, he didn't have the reasonable expectation of privacy. It is the nature of the sexual act which bring with it the reasonable expectation of privacy."

Too right - and I don't think anyone should be blaming the OP here. If someone else violated her consent then her response or timing is not the issue, whether that breach was unwanted touching or in this case recording the act.

Are the site admins able to help in this situation? At the very least they'd have his IP logged if the images did start showing up elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you were in his home, he has the right to take photos/video.

No he doesn't.

People have been jailed for filming them and thier oartners having sex without thier permision.

As she explicity told him he did not have her consent with witneses she could take him to court.

"

Agree completely. Filming a con artist salesman in your home is legal. Filming someone in your home having sex without their permission is not allowed. There is a mass of case law and numerous successful prosecutions to prove the point.

It all comes down to the right of privacy. The salesman had no right to privacy. Someone having sex very definitely does. What they did was clearly against the law.

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By *upersexy SuperslutCouple
over a year ago

Glastonbury

If you know where they live just burn their house down. The images on the camera should get destroyed in the fire.

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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago

Manchester Area


"If you were in his home, he has the right to take photos/video.

However, if he posts any material without your permission then he is breaking the law and can be prosecuted. In addition, if you find any material on a website, email the organisation saying that a video/photo of you is on their site without your consent and most will remove it.

Someone I know was in this situation, and by the time she found the video it had spread to several well known sites...but all removed it on request.

While it is legal to take photos of guests in your own home, it is the height of rudeness to do so. You certainly won't be going back to them. If you know their username you could also complain to Fab. Such behaviour spoils this for all of us in the end."

It is NOT LEGAL to take photographs of a third arty if they specifically ask you not too..It is illegal to post 'indecent images' regardless of whether permission was given. .and if you want to go down the legal or illegal route check out what the law calls private..three is a crowd but not private!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you were in his home, he has the right to take photos/video.

No he doesn't.

People have been jailed for filming them and thier oartners having sex without thier permision.

As she explicity told him he did not have her consent with witneses she could take him to court.

"

I agree with this. Filming without permission is an offence even when non sexual. There is also revenge porn legislation which leads to two years imprisonment and fine. And police have ways of removing content from sites. She could also contact police now and get them to pay him a visit, find said camera and computers and delete them for her. And don't feel bad about doing it. THEY were in the wrong, not the victim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why on earth would you stay if he just carried on taking photos when you had asked him no to?

I would have smashed the phone over his head on my way out the door

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you were in his home, he has the right to take photos/video.

However, if he posts any material without your permission then he is breaking the law and can be prosecuted. In addition, if you find any material on a website, email the organisation saying that a video/photo of you is on their site without your consent and most will remove it.

Someone I know was in this situation, and by the time she found the video it had spread to several well known sites...but all removed it on request.

While it is legal to take photos of guests in your own home, it is the height of rudeness to do so. You certainly won't be going back to them. If you know their username you could also complain to Fab. Such behaviour spoils this for all of us in the end.

It is NOT LEGAL to take photographs of a third arty if they specifically ask you not too..It is illegal to post 'indecent images' regardless of whether permission was given. .and if you want to go down the legal or illegal route check out what the law calls private..three is a crowd but not private!"

The law being the wonderfully adaptive thing that it is says "reasonable expectation of privacy"

Now do you think a average normal person would say they would not expect privacy when having sexual intercourse, even if there are more than 2 people in a private reaidence?

Of course not.

So yes it would be covered or at he very least left uo to a jury to decide if it is reasonable.

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By *atureandhornyCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

How stupid not to have discussed likes and dislikes beforehand dos and donts I always ensure that the guy joining us is fully aware I will be taking pics but leaving faces off. If he's not happy with this then we don't meet. I'd never allow them to take pics either.

Learn from your experience and move on.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"Hi all,

last night was my first 4some - awesome, except that the guy took photos, and maybe film, even tho' I'd asked him several times not to. So I left, quite cross, this morning they've blocked me. Can I do anything to stop him posting / using those pics?

So he continued recording you after you asked him to stop several times?

And you didn't leave after the first time ?

Christ, and people wonder how some folks end up in vulnerable positions.

For the record, I would have either personally cleared the memory or, if that was resisted, take the fucking camera home with me "

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