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"So group sex is ok, but her on her own with a guy is different? Don't quite understand that , but then I've not been in that position so don't know. If it was a gf I'd ditch her immediately - but ur married ?" I love seeing her being fucked... | |||
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"Thanks guys..I've told her I want to watch, her response is that she'll feel like it's a show and not real. I've told her I would do separate room for starters..She's not interested in meeting new cpls, all that vetting etc.. She wants to dive into hotwifing and for me to be fine with it..I don't mind the hotwife idea but it's just how it's been without my parameters..I feel helpless, out of control and just....shit " Then you need to communicate that with her. She's dismissed your concerns and desires in favour of hers? That's very one sided and selfish. It needs to be for both your benefit or it wont work and will just foster resentment | |||
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"Thanks guys..I've told her I want to watch, her response is that she'll feel like it's a show and not real. I've told her I would do separate room for starters..She's not interested in meeting new cpls, all that vetting etc.. She wants to dive into hotwifing and for me to be fine with it..I don't mind the hotwife idea but it's just how it's been without my parameters..I feel helpless, out of control and just....shit " It's not wrong to want to be involved. I don't know the answer OP but here - have a hug x | |||
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"To be honest when Ginger first started meeting alone was like you in 2 minds. The mixture of emotions swirling around was great and yet also not great. Horny knowing that she was being fucked but not knowing the details till she returned didn't leave me fully satisfied myself cos I too am a visual guy. You need to have a word with her and communicate how you feel because otherwise your going to end up an unhappy cuck whether you intend to or not. Nowadays Ginger will have pics taken which she'll send to me or show me when I come home or calls me which makes up for me not being there" Thank you..This is a massive help | |||
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"Thanks guys..I've told her I want to watch, her response is that she'll feel like it's a show and not real. I've told her I would do separate room for starters..She's not interested in meeting new cpls, all that vetting etc.. She wants to dive into hotwifing and for me to be fine with it..I don't mind the hotwife idea but it's just how it's been without my parameters..I feel helpless, out of control and just....shit " Your feelings about this are real and valid, not silly. You need to own that and tell your wife she needs to accept, understand and discuss. I soybean this harshly but you need to be a bit stronger in this or you're going to end up in a mess. | |||
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"So after lots of discussion, the mrs admitted that whilst she now found swinging/group sex boring, she still fancied the idea of fucking a bloke without anyone other than her and him (The guy hadn't been decided..he was just a figure of speech) Her explanation was that if she could pull, and fuck someone, she'd feel sexy as her age is something that troubles her a lot lately. I can appreciate this of course and because I love her so completely, told her I needed a little time to get my head around it before deciding. My conflicting emotions told me not to disappoint her and allow it because she could potentially do it anyway without my consent..Maybe..She does has a selfish streak at times. Anyway, after chipping away at list of "Things i'd be comfortable with" I finally accepted the proposal of letting her do it with a married guy we know who we swung with years ago before he got wed....Safety in infidelity I guess. It happened yesterday...I left the house and drove around with my stomach in knots, my heart in my mouth and a massive mix of jealousy and excitement..I couldn't wait to get back and reclaim her as mine.. It worked out he shot too early, she was too sexy for him to cope with and he didn't last so when i get back, he left sheepishly and I reclaimed her easily. My problem is this...I'm suffering enormous confidence issues here, feeling belittled by her taking another guy when she has me on tap..Silly really I suppose but when i tried telling her how I felt, her responses made me feel silly. She wants me to do something similar, have girl and then have her come back to tell her all about it (But seriously, I aint all that and doubt the opportunity would arise) I don't really want to do this as my goal from the scene was all about seeing her pleasured..Maybe if there was a camera in the room I'd not be so unhappy right now..maybe not. I'm rambling..I'm hurting a little. I'm just trying to get other peoples angles on this, hopefully by folk who have been here before and know how to get through it. thanks in advance xx" Sending hugs it's a shit situation you're in and not something I can comment on as I'd never share a partner, simply isn't my thing. Hope you guys can work it out but don't live hurting and being miserable, you're worth more xx | |||
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"Not sure if this would help .. We have separate flats (fungirl and me) ... Would it work if we met together and then swapped to separate flats and then met up again for chat and a drink .. Or have I missed the point!! Xx" That was my initial idea of baby stepping into it..But it doesn't seem to be her desire. She's actually getting a kick out being selfish... | |||
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"I don't mean...not soybean " Lol I'm sure you didn't | |||
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"Not sure if this would help .. We have separate flats (fungirl and me) ... Would it work if we met together and then swapped to separate flats and then met up again for chat and a drink .. Or have I missed the point!! Xx That was my initial idea of baby stepping into it..But it doesn't seem to be her desire. She's actually getting a kick out being selfish... " I think it might be time to log out of fab an onto your relationship. | |||
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"Not sure if this would help .. We have separate flats (fungirl and me) ... Would it work if we met together and then swapped to separate flats and then met up again for chat and a drink .. Or have I missed the point!! Xx That was my initial idea of baby stepping into it..But it doesn't seem to be her desire. She's actually getting a kick out being selfish... " Sounds like enjoying playing the hot wife a little too and forgotten that she is a wife. Fantasy and role play are one thing but when feelings are getting hurt time to step back. Hopefully you guys can sort it out and find a path that works for the both you | |||
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"The bottom line is that if you were a man trying to force your wife to accept you fucking a single woman then the forum would have lynched you by now. It's not ok just because she's a woman. Everyone has boundaries and your partners boundaries should be the highest priority. " Yep! | |||
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"Everyone has boundaries and your partners boundaries should be the highest priority. " Absolutely | |||
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"Thanks guys..I've told her I want to watch, her response is that she'll feel like it's a show and not real. I've told her I would do separate room for starters..She's not interested in meeting new cpls, all that vetting etc.. She wants to dive into hotwifing and for me to be fine with it..I don't mind the hotwife idea but it's just how it's been without my parameters..I feel helpless, out of control and just....shit " Don't be pushed...sounds like you're doing it because otherwise you think she'll do it anyway....that's no basis for swinging. If you're allowing all this to keep her happy why isn't her priority making sure that you're happy. Unless you have an honest and frank discussion and agree to terms you're both happy with I can't see how this will work. If she's going to cheat (as oppose to seinging) perhaps you need to rethink where your priorities should lie. | |||
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"The bottom line is that if you were a man trying to force your wife to accept you fucking a single woman then the forum would have lynched you by now. It's not ok just because she's a woman. Everyone has boundaries and your partners boundaries should be the highest priority. " If you are not wanting to do that... I'm not comfortable with playing separately so at the moment we don't. We do little steps. If I was pushed I wouldn't be able to do this at all x | |||
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"Thanks guys..I've told her I want to watch, her response is that she'll feel like it's a show and not real. I've told her I would do separate room for starters..She's not interested in meeting new cpls, all that vetting etc.. She wants to dive into hotwifing and for me to be fine with it..I don't mind the hotwife idea but it's just how it's been without my parameters..I feel helpless, out of control and just....shit Don't be pushed...sounds like you're doing it because otherwise you think she'll do it anyway....that's no basis for swinging. If you're allowing all this to keep her happy why isn't her priority making sure that you're happy. Unless you have an honest and frank discussion and agree to terms you're both happy with I can't see how this will work. If she's going to cheat (as oppose to seinging) perhaps you need to rethink where your priorities should lie. " pretty much what I was going to say but you saved me the effort! It's meant to be fun for all right? If you're not enjoying it, jealous, and you said yourself she had a selfish streak that can be destructive and - from the fact you're saying all this - it's already eating away at you which can't be healthy! As others have said maybe a frank adult to adult talk about what you both want and agree parameters ... | |||
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"Thank you everyone, you've actually gone a long way in helping me. It was a cathartic exercise on here that's given me focus that I needed. I truly appreciate your points, advice and concerns xxx" There tis an temptation for swingers to go too far. If one has a high sex drive then one is going to get ones needs met irrespective of the feelings of one's partner. However, once said need is satisfied then the rest is just pure indulgence and not a necessity. So in conclusion, it sounds like she's getting all the 'd' she needs and is being a bit selfish. Break it to her nicely though. | |||
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"So after lots of discussion, the mrs admitted that whilst she now found swinging/group sex boring, she still fancied the idea of fucking a bloke without anyone other than her and him (The guy hadn't been decided..he was just a figure of speech) Her explanation was that if she could pull, and fuck someone, she'd feel sexy as her age is something that troubles her a lot lately. I can appreciate this of course and because I love her so completely, told her I needed a little time to get my head around it before deciding. My conflicting emotions told me not to disappoint her and allow it because she could potentially do it anyway without my consent..Maybe..She does has a selfish streak at times. Anyway, after chipping away at list of "Things i'd be comfortable with" I finally accepted the proposal of letting her do it with a married guy we know who we swung with years ago before he got wed....Safety in infidelity I guess. It happened yesterday...I left the house and drove around with my stomach in knots, my heart in my mouth and a massive mix of jealousy and excitement..I couldn't wait to get back and reclaim her as mine.. It worked out he shot too early, she was too sexy for him to cope with and he didn't last so when i get back, he left sheepishly and I reclaimed her easily. My problem is this...I'm suffering enormous confidence issues here, feeling belittled by her taking another guy when she has me on tap..Silly really I suppose but when i tried telling her how I felt, her responses made me feel silly. She wants me to do something similar, have girl and then have her come back to tell her all about it (But seriously, I aint all that and doubt the opportunity would arise) I don't really want to do this as my goal from the scene was all about seeing her pleasured..Maybe if there was a camera in the room I'd not be so unhappy right now..maybe not. I'm rambling..I'm hurting a little. I'm just trying to get other peoples angles on this, hopefully by folk who have been here before and know how to get through it. thanks in advance xx" this is why i always say that in swinging there should be no such thing as "taking one for the team"...... if you this torn up about it 1) it should never have happened in the first place.... 2) now that it has happened and you feel this bad... it should never happen again and if the justification is "well she may do it behind my back anyway.." then she wouldn't be half the person you think she is anyway....... in swinging we are always learning and evolving... and if it isn't for either of you anymore... take a break! or reconsider it... but time out may be the best solution... if it is eating at you now.... what happens if it happens again.... and again.... resentment | |||
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"So after lots of discussion, the mrs admitted that whilst she now found swinging/group sex boring, she still fancied the idea of fucking a bloke without anyone other than her and him (The guy hadn't been decided..he was just a figure of speech) Her explanation was that if she could pull, and fuck someone, she'd feel sexy as her age is something that troubles her a lot lately. I can appreciate this of course and because I love her so completely, told her I needed a little time to get my head around it before deciding. My conflicting emotions told me not to disappoint her and allow it because she could potentially do it anyway without my consent..Maybe..She does has a selfish streak at times. Anyway, after chipping away at list of "Things i'd be comfortable with" I finally accepted the proposal of letting her do it with a married guy we know who we swung with years ago before he got wed....Safety in infidelity I guess. It happened yesterday...I left the house and drove around with my stomach in knots, my heart in my mouth and a massive mix of jealousy and excitement..I couldn't wait to get back and reclaim her as mine.. It worked out he shot too early, she was too sexy for him to cope with and he didn't last so when i get back, he left sheepishly and I reclaimed her easily. My problem is this...I'm suffering enormous confidence issues here, feeling belittled by her taking another guy when she has me on tap..Silly really I suppose but when i tried telling her how I felt, her responses made me feel silly. She wants me to do something similar, have girl and then have her come back to tell her all about it (But seriously, I aint all that and doubt the opportunity would arise) I don't really want to do this as my goal from the scene was all about seeing her pleasured..Maybe if there was a camera in the room I'd not be so unhappy right now..maybe not. I'm rambling..I'm hurting a little. I'm just trying to get other peoples angles on this, hopefully by folk who have been here before and know how to get through it. thanks in advance xx" I felt the same way befor I sat down and talked to my wife after our first 3sum because I let then just fuck without me I felt confused and bothered but when I talked to her she understood how I felt.Now were looking to full swap hope your wife could be understanding like my wife was sorry about how u feel. | |||
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"I'm aware of a few cpls who split after one realised the others interest in swinging come before their relationship and their own sex life.Swinging's fun but doing it with no self control or respect to your partner/relationship can prove to be a killer. " Yes this happened to me and it's not nice. Op, show her this thread, talk to her, tell her honestly how you feel. If this isn't something you're happy with and she doesn't care/still goes ahead then you need to decide if the relationship is what you want. Good luck x | |||
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"Shown her this thread?" Fan of shock treatment are we? I think the discussion needs to happen in a face saving manner personally | |||
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"Hi We had a discussion last night where I laid down some rules about the possibility of continuing. There will be no relaxation of my rules, but there can be compromises. It wasn't heated, it was calm and loving. I think we can move on from here positively. Thanks everyone" Good to hear that you two been able to agree on how things should move forward so both of you are happy and guess the comprises will allow her to slowly take charge as to how she wants things to be but at a pace that suits you? | |||
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"As the added guy who see's a couple regularly its such a bonus to be great friends with both hot wife and her lucky hubby.... Security in all ways and boundarys never crossed, he knows she's safe, they both enjoying her having a lover and she's free to stay as and when.... Wouldnt and couldnt work if they werent so in tune with with each others desire's " Bang on with this....i am in exactly same situation as you mention. And it the best ever for me....i am blessed | |||
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"Oh lovely, it's a really good start that you're so self aware of how this is making you feel. We're in a very similar situation. I (Mrs) do enjoy threesomes and group fun but I feel most relaxed when one to one with a guy. I guess because like your wife, I feel that I have to put on a bit of a show in front of others. I also think that with MMF, i'm constantly aware that I don't want hubby to feel left out. One to one I can enjoy the chemistry and intensity much more and just do whatever feels right. Unfortunately, we've found that I don't cope nearly so well as hubby does when things are switched around. We've now taken the decision that for now and possibly forever, hubby will only be playing with me. I realise the hypocrisy of this but it's working for us. That doesn't mean that hubby doesn't struggle at times and that I don't struggle with the guilt because we absolutely do. It's peaks and troughs. He finds as long as he doesn't cum while i'm out, he gets a kick out of imagining me with other men and then reclaiming me when I get back home. There are many who will be quick to judge or to suggest that she shouldn't be doing it, however, it's something that only you two can decide. Talk, talk and talk some more, the conversations will be hard but I promise you, if she's anything like me then it will make her love you even more for being such an amazing and selfless husband. xxx" At least you realise the Hypocrisy of it. | |||
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" You are here as a cpl ... you should agree on things as a couple . One thing hubby and I have always said is it takes 2 yes's for anything to go ahead ,but only one no to stop it ! You clearly aren't happy with your wife meeting alone so that's an end to it ! She may not like it but surely her priority is your relationship? If its not then you got much bigger problems than her meeting alone! Maybe you should hide your profile and take time away from this as a couple . You need to look at boundaries you BOTH are happy with . If you can't agree then I'm afraid you need to stay clear of swinging. This is meant to be fun addition to your relationship, not a cause of emotional stress and angst. Good luck " This | |||
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