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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

As just pointed out on the thread for beginners; it's not just genetic males who have gender dismorphia.

Females (genetically) can just as easily find themselves rejecting their physical form.

They may cross dress or take it much further same as the more usually talked about people.

Just posting this for balance.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

It seems that "male to female" is more common than "female to male" but whether that is the case or simply because we've been presented with more MTF trans people in the media I do not know.

I do have a few trans friends but have only met one FTM "trans man". However this is merely anecdotal. I have met trans people socially, as part of the swinging and poly scenes. I don't go around looking for trans people. It is wise to remember that there are FTM trans people as well as the MTF.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Yes. I do wonder how to refer to trans people sometimes without putting my size four stiletto heels in it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'd be interested to see the statistics for f to m.

I suspect they don't make such a 'show' of their dressing as m to f do.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I'd be interested to see the statistics for f to m.

I suspect they don't make such a 'show' of their dressing as m to f do. "

It won't be as obvious and much easier to blend in.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes. I do wonder how to refer to trans people sometimes without putting my size four stiletto heels in it. "

I just refer to those I encounter by the gender they present as.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes. I do wonder how to refer to trans people sometimes without putting my size four stiletto heels in it. "

You'd need a degree in,,,,,something or other,to really get to grips with the terminology and even then,you'd probably get it wrong in someones eyes.

More relevant than what someone says (in my opinion) is how they say it.In other words,using the wrong word is not offensive as long as it is not meant disrespectfully. x

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Yes. I do wonder how to refer to trans people sometimes without putting my size four stiletto heels in it.

I just refer to those I encounter by the gender they present as. "

That's what I do but it's nice to know it's the right thing.

I have a specific situation in mind with a family member and that helped.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Yes. I do wonder how to refer to trans people sometimes without putting my size four stiletto heels in it.

You'd need a degree in,,,,,something or other,to really get to grips with the terminology and even then,you'd probably get it wrong in someones eyes.

More relevant than what someone says (in my opinion) is how they say it.In other words,using the wrong word is not offensive as long as it is not meant disrespectfully. x"

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

It is usually OK to ask someone what gender pronoun they prefer you to use.

Then try to remember to use it. People make genuine mistakes especially when an existing friend realises their gender might not be what they and you thought it was.

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By *andy6677Man
over a year ago

crewe

Ive met to ftm guys in the past both pre op but both said the same they never felt right as female. Both acted as men looked like men as well and so far as i was concerned were men regardless of what they had or didnt have in there pants xxx.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes. I do wonder how to refer to trans people sometimes without putting my size four stiletto heels in it.

You'd need a degree in,,,,,something or other,to really get to grips with the terminology and even then,you'd probably get it wrong in someones eyes.

More relevant than what someone says (in my opinion) is how they say it.In other words,using the wrong word is not offensive as long as it is not meant disrespectfully. x"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It doesn't require specialist knowledge. If some presents themselves as a guy or a girl just refer to them as that.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

And if it is unclear or you are unsure....it's usually OK to ask what pronoun somebody prefers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if the vastly differnt numbers is due to men having XY and so thr information to potentially make either a female or a male but a woman only having XX so no extra info required to make a male.

So with men there is much more opertunity for things get mixed up or go "wrong" (not moraly wrong before anyone gets outraged) and produce a trans person vs a woman whixh is possibly more womb based hormones.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm not sure if there are such differences in numbers; m to f are often much more obvious. Girls in 'male' clothing is nothing unusual. Crop their hair, no makeup and then take hormones and they're well on their way. Body and facial hair develop. Strap down their boobs and wear a baggy t-shirt and hey presto.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I'd be interested to see the statistics for f to m.

I suspect they don't make such a 'show' of their dressing as m to f do.

It won't be as obvious and much easier to blend in. "

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By *andy6677Man
over a year ago

crewe


"I'm not sure if there are such differences in numbers; m to f are often much more obvious. Girls in 'male' clothing is nothing unusual. Crop their hair, no makeup and then take hormones and they're well on their way. Body and facial hair develop. Strap down their boobs and wear a baggy t-shirt and hey presto. "

True also from a support and surgical persepective there is alot more help for male to female than female to male from what ive been told by ftm guys over the years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not sure if there are such differences in numbers; m to f are often much more obvious. Girls in 'male' clothing is nothing unusual. Crop their hair, no makeup and then take hormones and they're well on their way. Body and facial hair develop. Strap down their boobs and wear a baggy t-shirt and hey presto. "

It's around 3 times more likely for a person to be mtf than ftm

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By *umpsMan
over a year ago

city

When I went to secondary school... My female teacher used to dress in a man's suit... Female crossdressing I wonder??

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm not sure if there are such differences in numbers; m to f are often much more obvious. Girls in 'male' clothing is nothing unusual. Crop their hair, no makeup and then take hormones and they're well on their way. Body and facial hair develop. Strap down their boobs and wear a baggy t-shirt and hey presto.

It's around 3 times more likely for a person to be mtf than ftm"

Really? Do you think that is a true figure as many trans from either way never go to their doctor to transition?

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff

We aren't obvious, we just look like younger, sometimes a lot younger, guys.

So you may not actually realise it when you come across us, especially those of us with beards

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I'm not sure if there are such differences in numbers; m to f are often much more obvious. Girls in 'male' clothing is nothing unusual. Crop their hair, no makeup and then take hormones and they're well on their way. Body and facial hair develop. Strap down their boobs and wear a baggy t-shirt and hey presto.

It's around 3 times more likely for a person to be mtf than ftm

Really? Do you think that is a true figure as many trans from either way never go to their doctor to transition? "

I'm not sure on the numbers but I have heard that there are more MtF than there are FtM, and when I used to go to the gender clinic there were always more MtF in the waiting room.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not sure if there are such differences in numbers; m to f are often much more obvious. Girls in 'male' clothing is nothing unusual. Crop their hair, no makeup and then take hormones and they're well on their way. Body and facial hair develop. Strap down their boobs and wear a baggy t-shirt and hey presto.

It's around 3 times more likely for a person to be mtf than ftm

Really? Do you think that is a true figure as many trans from either way never go to their doctor to transition? "

Well its impossible to discuss untestible thing but thats as accurate a figure as we have.

Homosexuality is also higher in men which again could be linked to the fact men are "women with extras" so more chance for the "default" settings to be left in in some areas. (Many studies find the figures are as much as double the rate of homosexuality in men versus women)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder if the vastly differnt numbers is due to men having XY and so thr information to potentially make either a female or a male but a woman only having XX so no extra info required to make a male.

So with men there is much more opertunity for things get mixed up or go "wrong" (not moraly wrong before anyone gets outraged) and produce a trans person vs a woman whixh is possibly more womb based hormones."

I was wondering this too.

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By *andy6677Man
over a year ago

crewe


"I'm not sure if there are such differences in numbers; m to f are often much more obvious. Girls in 'male' clothing is nothing unusual. Crop their hair, no makeup and then take hormones and they're well on their way. Body and facial hair develop. Strap down their boobs and wear a baggy t-shirt and hey presto.

It's around 3 times more likely for a person to be mtf than ftm

Really? Do you think that is a true figure as many trans from either way never go to their doctor to transition?

Well its impossible to discuss untestible thing but thats as accurate a figure as we have.

Homosexuality is also higher in men which again could be linked to the fact men are "women with extras" so more chance for the "default" settings to be left in in some areas. (Many studies find the figures are as much as double the rate of homosexuality in men versus women)"

Never thought as myself as a woman with extras but your right from a biological perspective we all start as females initally only the y makes us different.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Y?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It seems that "male to female" is more common than "female to male" but whether that is the case or simply because we've been presented with more MTF trans people in the media I do not know.

I do have a few trans friends but have only met one FTM "trans man". However this is merely anecdotal. I have met trans people socially, as part of the swinging and poly scenes. I don't go around looking for trans people. It is wise to remember that there are FTM trans people as well as the MTF."

You will find transmen passing a lot easier because we are not programmed to look out for them in the same way. There's never been the same culture as the fear of "blokes in dresses" (wont someone think of the children!) so we don't subconsciously look for them.

Also it's much easier to fit in. It's easier for me, for example, to have a mans haircut and to wear men's clothes that cover my figure. At a glance I'm just a small guy. But if you're a broad, 6ft transwomen with an Adam's apple? Far less easy to pass.

Fwiw - and I have not sought out trans friends - I have around a dozen ftm acquaintances of various types in my extended network. I have perhaps three mtf acquaintances.

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By *andy6677Man
over a year ago

crewe


"Y?"

Sorry Y chromosome i meant xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not sure if there are such differences in numbers; m to f are often much more obvious. Girls in 'male' clothing is nothing unusual. Crop their hair, no makeup and then take hormones and they're well on their way. Body and facial hair develop. Strap down their boobs and wear a baggy t-shirt and hey presto.

It's around 3 times more likely for a person to be mtf than ftm

Really? Do you think that is a true figure as many trans from either way never go to their doctor to transition?

Well its impossible to discuss untestible thing but thats as accurate a figure as we have.

Homosexuality is also higher in men which again could be linked to the fact men are "women with extras" so more chance for the "default" settings to be left in in some areas. (Many studies find the figures are as much as double the rate of homosexuality in men versus women)

Never thought as myself as a woman with extras but your right from a biological perspective we all start as females initally only the y makes us different."

I like to look st it as the Y chromosome being the sports upgrade package :p

Better power and handling but worse fuel efficency and lessstorage space :p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not sure if there are such differences in numbers; m to f are often much more obvious. Girls in 'male' clothing is nothing unusual. Crop their hair, no makeup and then take hormones and they're well on their way. Body and facial hair develop. Strap down their boobs and wear a baggy t-shirt and hey presto.

It's around 3 times more likely for a person to be mtf than ftm

Really? Do you think that is a true figure as many trans from either way never go to their doctor to transition?

Well its impossible to discuss untestible thing but thats as accurate a figure as we have.

Homosexuality is also higher in men which again could be linked to the fact men are "women with extras" so more chance for the "default" settings to be left in in some areas. (Many studies find the figures are as much as double the rate of homosexuality in men versus women)

Never thought as myself as a woman with extras but your right from a biological perspective we all start as females initally only the y makes us different.

I like to look st it as the Y chromosome being the sports upgrade package :p

Better power and handling but worse fuel efficency and lessstorage space :p"

Fucking love it!

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