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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Hey we are a bi couple but have issues with lots if straight guys pretending to be bi - don't they realise they be caught out. Soon catch them out when you ask them to meet mm and ask them what they done!!

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

Do people seriously do that,why?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe they don't want to meet just the male

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod

over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"Do people seriously do that,why?!"

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't get it at all... I'm bi and am happy playing with both make and female i don't know why guys pretend it's not something you can force

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A"

Where do sign up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe they don't want to meet just the male "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there was this same post yesterday OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people seriously do that,why?!"

Yes the guys that do that are just wasting everyone's time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Lol will try that thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"id let him suck my cock if i could fuck you" is a regular message.....no we dont want you to "let" him we want you to "want" him lol. may start telling them they have to suck ess' cock, that could save some time

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A"

but that sounds drastic measures to me just to get to the woman. What do they do when the guy makes a move on them with his 8" of bits and pieces!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do people seriously do that,why?!"

Yes all the time !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A

but that sounds drastic measures to me just to get to the woman. What do they do when the guy makes a move on them with his 8" of bits and pieces! "

Personally I just enjoy it lol

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod

over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A

but that sounds drastic measures to me just to get to the woman. What do they do when the guy makes a move on them with his 8" of bits and pieces! "

Some people use drastic measures out of desperation.

They're usually easy to spot via messages. They go on about wanting to try something for the first time, only feeling happy doing something with a woman there - and soon start steering the conversation into what they'd like to do with her.

Guys that are experienced in playing bi with couples are also easy to spot. Usually via profile text, veris - and the simple fact they don't have 'straight' on their profiles!

A

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A

but that sounds drastic measures to me just to get to the woman. What do they do when the guy makes a move on them with his 8" of bits and pieces!

Personally I just enjoy it lol"

My kind of man!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

And mind lol

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A

but that sounds drastic measures to me just to get to the woman. What do they do when the guy makes a move on them with his 8" of bits and pieces!

Personally I just enjoy it lol

My kind of man! "

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Makes a change ..its usually bi guys pretending to be straight!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are sick of them!!! Think it's a way to get in Iran's knickers......Well it's not and we tell them that lol xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Makes a change ..its usually bi guys pretending to be straight! "

Our thoughts exactly. The sheer number of people with 'straight' profiles asking for bi play...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are a genuine verified bi couple.

If I Chris was asked to meet the male for MM fun I would say no as we only play together

Maybe u should suggest the guys putting on a show for the lady or ladies.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain


"Hey we are a bi couple but have issues with lots if straight guys pretending to be bi - don't they realise they be caught out. Soon catch them out when you ask them to meet mm and ask them what they done!!

"

From my own experience I've found the best way is be upfront with folk. As someone who has used Adult Sites many years I've been lucky to meet and attend a lot of Socials, House Parties, Group Meets etc even as an out Gay man. It's opened my horizons (& theirs), I've been involved in a few Bi MFMs, played with both Ms, Fs & Cpls. In many instances the M&Fs have been Str8 but felt comfortable enough to encourage me to play with them & them to open their horizons & boundaries too. As I'm VERY selective & intensely private & discreet I've been blessed to develop great friendships with many on the sites & remained in contact with various folk I never expected friendships with. The fakes, liars & time wasters will continually fail, put off & make it harder for the genuine swingers but the genuine ones will always overcome & seek out true swingers (Str8, Bi or otherwise) & find out the true swingers on the sites. Besides, the genuine swingers can spot fakes & fibbers quite easily & in most cases ignore those that they suspect of being "at it".

Don't let the fakers ruin the site.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain


"Makes a change ..its usually bi guys pretending to be straight!

Our thoughts exactly. The sheer number of people with 'straight' profiles asking for bi play... "

I don't even COUNT the number of Str8 guys profiles asking me to play or hook up with me & my gal friends on here.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A

but that sounds drastic measures to me just to get to the woman. What do they do when the guy makes a move on them with his 8" of bits and pieces!

Personally I just enjoy it lol"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will play mm, but always prefer it if the fem is there. I like being Watched by her while I play with the male half of the couple. Nothing like seeing a woman touch herself while you fuck her hubby!

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain


"I will play mm, but always prefer it if the fem is there. I like being Watched by her while I play with the male half of the couple. Nothing like seeing a woman touch herself while you fuck her hubby!"

What ^^ he ^^ said

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

Tho add to that that EVERYONE should get to play.

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By *epper123Woman
over a year ago

London

I love watching my bf getting fucked by a guy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A"

not only fine by me but also prefer to start with the guy...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will play mm, but always prefer it if the fem is there. I like being Watched by her while I play with the male half of the couple. Nothing like seeing a woman touch herself while you fuck her hubby!"

Wow. Don't you look so very different with the beard

I love playing as my wife watches. Very horny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hey we are a bi couple but have issues with lots if straight guys pretending to be bi - don't they realise they be caught out. Soon catch them out when you ask them to meet mm and ask them what they done!!

"

Wait so you're complaint about straight guys pretending to be bi when you're a couple expecting them to just meet the male half to prove they're bi?

Hmmm

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By *damdoesMan
over a year ago

Bristol/swindon

Well the MM show first usually gets rid of the 'I'm bi honest now can i fuck her' guys

In my experience the female in the mmf wants to see two guys having sex more than join in.

And when she is ready she may join, no guarantees

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When shall I pop round?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's quite desperate isn't it! Very odd - how are they going to 'get out of it' when the meet occurs....

I'm bi, the thing that prevents more meets is that men can be such a set at times that it automatically makes genuine bi couples cynical...

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By *arkstaffsMan
over a year ago

Rugeley


"Well the MM show first usually gets rid of the 'I'm bi honest now can i fuck her' guys

In my experience the female in the mmf wants to see two guys having sex more than join in.

And when she is ready she may join, no guarantees"

Amen to that.

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By *oasted cheese sandwichMan
over a year ago

Nearby

And there I was thinking when a bi couple seek a bi male they all play together

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A

but that sounds drastic measures to me just to get to the woman. What do they do when the guy makes a move on them with his 8" of bits and pieces!

Personally I just enjoy it lol

My kind of man! "

Oh mine too. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some 'straight' couples lie too..

I've always been upfront but and lay out my rules before a meet..but its not the first time the 'straight' male half has given me a caressing touch..or indeed..tried to 'help' while I'm fucking his partner.. once I even caught a hubby taking pics more of my arse than what I was doing with his wife..as I turned around he tried to hide the fact his phone was out snapping ME!

There are quite a few female halves who also lie about their bi-sexuality for the hubbies benefit

*sorry this is another anti-single male bashing thread, regardless of straight or bi tendencies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"there was this same post yesterday OP"

I didn't see it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And there I was thinking when a bi couple seek a bi male they all play together"

You mean like when a couple ask for a bi female and the man isn't just watching?

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By *oasted cheese sandwichMan
over a year ago

Nearby


"And there I was thinking when a bi couple seek a bi male they all play together

You mean like when a couple ask for a bi female and the man isn't just watching?"

That's how I'd understand it, bi the way I see it means will play with both the couple, unless of course previously stated exactly what they want .

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

Not all bi men are the same in the same way not all women like the same stuff. Not all are into anal not all swallow ect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Makes a change ..its usually bi guys pretending to be straight!

Our thoughts exactly. The sheer number of people with 'straight' profiles asking for bi play...

I don't even COUNT the number of Str8 guys profiles asking me to play or hook up with me & my gal friends on here. "

There are couples on here and they don't want to meet bi guys. That's their choice. But more than once we've seen that they have a verification from a 'straight guy' who was messaging us about bi play. We just wish guys would be honest because if everyone was then probably ~30% of the guys on here would be at least bi curious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There seems to be an equal number of bi guys pretending to be straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who's cock do I have to suck round here to get another cock then!

If I meet a couple with a bi male then that's great! I would be sucking his cock before the female even closed the door

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well the MM show first usually gets rid of the 'I'm bi honest now can i fuck her' guys

In my experience the female in the mmf wants to see two guys having sex more than join in.

And when she is ready she may join, no guarantees"

What's hilarious is if you said the two women would have to do a show first when a single female is meeting a couple we'd have lots of posts from women saying "I don't want to feel like I'm a performing seal" but apparently it's acceptable to make guys do it

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By *damdoesMan
over a year ago

Bristol/swindon


"Well the MM show first usually gets rid of the 'I'm bi honest now can i fuck her' guys

In my experience the female in the mmf wants to see two guys having sex more than join in.

And when she is ready she may join, no guarantees

What's hilarious is if you said the two women would have to do a show first when a single female is meeting a couple we'd have lots of posts from women saying "I don't want to feel like I'm a performing seal" but apparently it's acceptable to make guys do it"

You miss the point... That is to send the guys who say they are bi just to get a meet (and trust me there are loads) off and running.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain


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What's hilarious is if you said the two women would have to do a show first when a single female is meeting a couple we'd have lots of posts from women saying "I don't want to feel like I'm a performing seal" but apparently it's acceptable to make guys do it"

Good point. No-one on here should feel like they're here to "perform". Let's all just have fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't get it at all... I'm bi and am happy playing with both make and female i don't know why guys pretend it's not something you can force "

Tell That to the gay or bi guys that keep trying to temp me to the dark side lol

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain


"

Tell That to the gay or bi guys that keep trying to temp me to the dark side lol

"

Look, I am your father. Now whup out your lightsaber & lets wrestle. Nothing gay, just a couple of dudes ruling over the Fab Empire. Cum over to the Dark Side. It'll be fun. Mwuhahaha.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

Now where did I put down that damned asthma inhaler?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm be very happy to start with MM play and prove my bi'ness

I'd find it a huge turn on for the F to sit back and watch why we were playing!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well the MM show first usually gets rid of the 'I'm bi honest now can i fuck her' guys

In my experience the female in the mmf wants to see two guys having sex more than join in.

And when she is ready she may join, no guarantees

What's hilarious is if you said the two women would have to do a show first when a single female is meeting a couple we'd have lots of posts from women saying "I don't want to feel like I'm a performing seal" but apparently it's acceptable to make guys do it

You miss the point... That is to send the guys who say they are bi just to get a meet (and trust me there are loads) off and running.

"

And any guy who doesn't want to be a performing seal too

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Hey we are a bi couple but have issues with lots if straight guys pretending to be bi - don't they realise they be caught out. Soon catch them out when you ask them to meet mm and ask them what they done!!

"

It is not just guys who do that. Some/most couples too pretend that the female half is bisexual. And the poor thing has to go through it as well most probably hating every moment of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There seems to be an equal number of bi guys pretending to be straight. "

They're not bi guys pretending to be straight, they're bi guys who are too afraid to admit it. Therefore they honestly believe they're straight, but wouldn't mind trying to suck a dick or get involved during MMF fun.

If everyone was open and comfortable with their sexuality life would be much more simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ythenshawefredMan
over a year ago

stockport

What about a guy who is open to oral (both ways) with a guy but no sex ?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"What about a guy who is open to oral (both ways) with a guy but no sex ?"

Straightish

or more commonly known as, 'FabS straight'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being bi doesnt mean i would have sex with any bloke or woman. so praps its a case of fancying one but not the other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hey we are a bi couple but have issues with lots if straight guys pretending to be bi - don't they realise they be caught out. Soon catch them out when you ask them to meet mm and ask them what they done!!

If there bi doesn't that mean they meet mf couple if a mm couple asked then that's more being gay I'd have thought

"

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London


"Well the MM show first usually gets rid of the 'I'm bi honest now can i fuck her' guys

In my experience the female in the mmf wants to see two guys having sex more than join in.

And when she is ready she may join, no guarantees

What's hilarious is if you said the two women would have to do a show first when a single female is meeting a couple we'd have lots of posts from women saying "I don't want to feel like I'm a performing seal" but apparently it's acceptable to make guys do it"

Mr loves performing in front of as many people as possible, preferably with another guy. I don't. For us, that is the difference .... it is about what we both like to do and get off on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

I'd happily do that but struggle to get meets

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A"

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By *tockport_slutWoman
over a year ago

Stockport

I get loads of bi guy's that are straight on there profile.

Almost every one back downs when I say I want to see m2m first.

Was funny once when I guy arranged to meet with another guy. When we got started and my other guy touched him hi practicly ran out the room

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"What about a guy who is open to oral (both ways) with a guy but no sex ?"

You are Bill Clinton AICMFP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe they don't want to meet just the male "

I agree, a solo mm meet is a huge turn off for me

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By *ythenshawefredMan
over a year ago

stockport


"Maybe they don't want to meet just the male "

Or maybe they think 'oh here we go another guy pretending to be a couple'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

bi guys pretending to be straight / straight guy pretending to be bi

Poor guys just can't win

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"bi guys pretending to be straight / straight guy pretending to be bi

Poor guys just can't win "

you can if you don't pretend

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By *cd and scruffCouple
over a year ago

Rochester

We get the same. One 'bi' guy turned up and had to go to his car for a condom when i waived my cock in his face. He text us an hour later asking to come back. Oh did we laugh.

If you are bi say so. If you say you are straight be straight then couples who want bi guys wouldn't have to wade through the liars and fakes. Simple i think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"bi guys pretending to be straight / straight guy pretending to be bi

Poor guys just can't win

you can if you don't pretend "

But that would just be to easy and ideal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"bi guys pretending to be straight / straight guy pretending to be bi

Poor guys just can't win

you can if you don't pretend

But that would just be to easy and ideal"

haha I might be ideal but easy ? Ive never been so insulted ! Thats a spanking offence right there !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are a genuine verified bi couple.

If I Chris was asked to meet the male for MM fun I would say no as we only play together

Maybe u should suggest the guys putting on a show for the lady or ladies. "

Same here, never play alone, all part of the fun, Wifey watching!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people seriously do that,why?!

To get to the female half of a couple.

OP - simple plan. Meet as a couple rather than go for the MM scenario but insist they give you a BJ before anything else happens.

Tends to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A"

To answer in general 90% bi curious are not curious at all but just want (f) side of a couple... It is nerving and annoying for couples and girls who want to meet real "bi" guys and then they get annoyed and naasty when you point out the "facts of life"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't get it at all... I'm bi and am happy playing with both make and female i don't know why guys pretend it's not something you can force "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would never pretend to be bi. Don't want someone slipping a quick one up my jacksie.....!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would find it worthwhile just to watch the lying sod squirm and run from the room as another man tried to touch his cock LOL

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"bi guys pretending to be straight / straight guy pretending to be bi

Poor guys just can't win "

I was just thinking that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd be happy to play with just the gent first, as long that was mentioned before the meet so I knew what was happening.

I think a lot of bi guys keep their profile as 'straight' as it tends to put single women off...

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I know (the Biblical sense) some guys on here who say they are straight...

And another who's gay who passes himself off as bi.

Funny old world, innit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure how straight is bi then op as I looked at the profile lol.

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By *callycatMan
over a year ago

Mid Wales

Having verifications from both single men and single women should mean the guy is genuinely bi?

X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having verifications from both single men and single women should mean the guy is genuinely bi?

X"

That is what I thought to lol.

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By *juk69Man
over a year ago

Glossop

I have had a few mm encounters with guys from other sites before I changed my profile to say Bi. I changed my profile to bi and it put a lot of straight females and straight couples off.

I tend to prefer sex with older couples, older men and older females.

I've always worried that the bi thing has put a lot off and opened me up from emails from guys wanting mm I don't really fancy.

As for the couples I find a few guys come on as couples and want mm only but use the promise of a mmf threesome with them and their wife to entice you into chatting with them.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland


"Maybe they don't want to meet just the male "

Get plenty fake bi couples aswell. Seen plenty where the Fem never seems to be available or have to meet the male for fun first. Some members must think folk are stupid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not enough bi MF couples though wanting single guys...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd be happy to play with just the gent first, as long that was mentioned before the meet so I knew what was happening.

I think a lot of bi guys keep their profile as 'straight' as it tends to put single women off..."

Yep but at the same time they're missing out on females who like participating and watching mm. I switched to bi curious as I'm just finding my feet at the moment (orally), but the thought of being watched or obstructed by a F is a huge turn on for me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah definitely but few women mention they have a preference for watching guys together on their profiles so it can be difficult.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yeah definitely but few women mention they have a preference for watching guys together on their profiles so it can be difficult. "

That's the problem though, too many men here try to have sex with anyone and anything rather than looking for what they really want and they do that by not being honest. Problem is it ends up being a let down for them and/or the people they're meeting.

If more people were honest they'd have far better sex!

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By *um and get it.Couple
over a year ago

Spalding


"

I think a lot of bi guys keep their profile as 'straight' as it tends to put single women off..."

Lying to all the single women who don't wish to meet with bi guys then?

Who wants to meet with liars?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nahhh men wouldn't lie to get laid! We aren't like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Truth is most guys on FAB never get their hands on any woman for a variety of reasons. They get so desperate that they are willing to have a bit of bi action if it can lead to some female contact. I guess its a bit like guys in long term prison !

We all know that most of the female profiles on here are never going to lead to a meet and a single guy would fare better either just having a wank to relieve himself or consider joining a genuine dating site and developing a more worthwhile relationship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol there would appear to be a lot of bi guys who are only bi when there is a female present

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"lol there would appear to be a lot of bi guys who are only bi when there is a female present "

nothing wrong with wanting the female present, as long as the guys suck, female watches etc.....

I love to see the look on the females face as I suck a cock, not too many genuine people left around my part of the world though

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By *iverscuMan
over a year ago

Berkshire

Im curious but wouldnt want to meet for my first time exploration as mm. I would like to meet a mf couple and see where it goes. I wouldnt want to waste anyones time so i would let the couple know its my first time. In my mind i would like to try everything, but its hard to say until that situation is in front of you i guess?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not bi.

However if the women was sexy enoughwould allow myself to be wanked/sucked. Its not pretending to be bi but just allowing yourself a chance to play with the woman.

Long as the guy knows this beforehand too then all is honest and good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a 100% bisexual male (those met previously can vouch for that) - however just being honest about my sexuality on here does me no favours as we Bi men still get abuse

After years of swinging and in many a MMFF etc etc more somes, men bit do touch, occasional man touched me, I liked so did nothing to discourage - then I realised, I liked it.......etc etc etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ps; since re joining after 4 month break I do notice a culture change and it far far harder to find a female or MF couple comfortable meeting off here no days

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