FabSwingers.com forum: what would you do

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

We came across someone at a club recently that we know 100% is on the sex offenders register for very serious offences. ( against children)

We made staff aware... And kept away from them but due to the nature of the offences we felt uncomfortable all night.

We obviously made friends aware but didn't think it would help to tell all the club. But how would you feel if you had met and played with a registered paedophile and someone knew and hadn't told you...

It's a lady on this case who comes with a male fb. He is aware of her status

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

"We came across someone at a club recently that we know 100% is on the sex offenders register for very serious offences. ( against children)

We made staff aware... And kept away from them but due to the nature of the offences we felt uncomfortable all night.

It's a lady on this case who comes with a male fb. He is aware of her status

Ok so i don't agree about telling friends and not the club owners and i don't know enough about the offence and the ins and outs of the case to pass judgement plus there are no kids in a club so....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

We did tell our friends and the club owners ..And the staff on the night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any club has the right to bar someone as far as I am aware. If someone is a nonce they should be barred from breathing but barring from the clubs is a good start.

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By *uietlyBohemianCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle-under-Lyme

Sex offenders are people who commit acts without consent - and in this case especially against those who cannot consent.

A swingers club should be a place where explicit consent is paramount, and a sex offender of any kind should not be welcome.

Obviously it's unfeasible for a club to do a records check on every member, but in this case what could the club have done? Perhaps ask the person in question to leave with a refund? And if (probably when) they kick up a fuss, have them escorted out sharpish.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

what did the club do?

What a difficult situation to be in.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"what did the club do?

What a difficult situation to be in."
nothing.

They avoided us as they know we know... And stayed in a room all night but as a mother I found it so hard to not lose it .

She isn't on fab before any one says.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is the club only as your word for it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The problem is the club only as your word for it."

No they don't. It's well.documented on the internet with a face photo of the lady concerned

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Oh and we showed them the proof

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I in no way condone any such acts against children or anyone else for that matter. But if she has been punished, served time and possibly rehabilitated and on the sex offenders register. I see no harm in allowing her to be in a place strictly for adults. She's a human being At the end of the day.

I'm ready for some backlash and blocks

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I in no way condone any such acts against children or anyone else for that matter. But if she has been punished, served time and possibly rehabilitated and on the sex offenders register. I see no harm in allowing her to be in a place strictly for adults. She's a human being At the end of the day.

I'm ready for some backlash and blocks

I can see where you're coming from. It's a very difficult and emotive subject.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm ready for some backlash and blocks

So would you want to meet her at a club and not know. Personally next time I will just tell everyone... As I can't see anyone wanting to touch her if they knew .. And personally its an unforgivable crime

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By *tehereMan
over a year ago

manchester

Chinese whispers ruine people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A conundrum

In an ideal world these people would never see the light of day. However if proof is readily available I belive the club should have been informed. As a rule I am not generally in favour of witch hunts.

The regular outings on boat book are quite often found to be false and easily proven to be so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm ready for some backlash and blocks

Whatever she has done wouldn't affect me or my life in anyway whatsoever. So if if I were to swing that way I'd play.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In this case you can check easily that she was tried and convicted... Trust me if I didn't know without a shadow of a doubt... She has been to 3 clubs that we know of. Refused entry at two due to being known for her history... ( it was a very pubic case )

So how would you feel if you met a couple... Maybe had them back to your house and then you find out something like that.

We feel bad for the guys we didn't tell and all played with her but felt our duty was to the club staff and our friends

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Chinese whispers ruine people "

Child abuse does too,and abusers have the option to not do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sex offenders are people who commit acts without consent - and in this case especially against those who cannot consent.

A swingers club should be a place where explicit consent is paramount, and a sex offender of any kind should not be welcome.

eg thrown down the stairs

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By *hoenixcouplexxCouple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

It's difficult to say without knowing all of the facts but...

If she has committed an offence, been punished and is not under any restrictions that she is breaking then legally I don't see what can be done.

In a club environment we could have all played with paedophiles and not known is the reality.

If that had been me I think I would have informed the club and if I still wasn't happy I'd have left and made the club known why I was leaving.

I don't agree with witch hunts or hearsay but in this instance you had your proof so it's not gossiping or rumour mongering.

Legally I don't see what can be done and therefore don't agree that the club should eject them. However I would not want to knowingly play with them.

Very difficult situation to be fair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By that logic surely they should be banned from everywhere then? Incase you accidentally talk to one down the shop Or ask One for the time in the street.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Chinese whispers ruine people "

I can't put the links but its a well published case and as a mother I could barely contain my anger. My kids are older than the one involved in this case but they were that age once.

I agree you could not knoww... But we did and she knows we know too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"By that logic surely they should be banned from everywhere then? Incase you accidentally talk to one down the shop Or ask One for the time in the street. "

Don't even get me started on what I think on that one... As I would happily not have them ever leave their houses

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

It's tough but I would say that the person in question committed an "act" we as a society elected a government that wrote a law to say that that "act" is a "crime". The person was caught by the police, sent to court where they were tried by a jury of their peers (made up from our society) and sentenced in accordance with the law.

You can either have faith in this system, or you can try and change the system and the law by convincing society that we need to do it a different way.

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By *ornyharry39Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Should have pictures up so everybody knows name and shame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By that logic surely they should be banned from everywhere then? Incase you accidentally talk to one down the shop Or ask One for the time in the street.

Don't even get me started on what I think on that one... As I would happily not have them ever leave their houses "

And what kind of life is that for another human being.

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By *eliciouslyNastyMan
over a year ago

London

"By that logic surely they should be banned from everywhere then? Incase you accidentally talk to one down the shop Or ask One for the time in the street. "

I wouldn't want to associate with them either, but what you say rings true...

We have qualified legal professionals for a reason...

What if.... Just if that person has a sister and they look similar and it's dark and you kept your distance.... But it's defiantly her...?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's tough but I would say that the person in question committed an "act" we as a society elected a government that wrote a law to say that that "act" is a "crime". The person was caught by the police, sent to court where they were tried by a jury of their peers (made up from our society) and sentenced in accordance with the law.

You can either have faith in this system, or you can try and change the system and the law by convincing society that we need to do it a different way."

That's fair enough but would you want to enjoy time with someone that has multiple times enjoyed sexual pleasure with kids? Personally I wouldn't and if I found out I had I'd be sickened. I know you can't check every potential meet..

I can't name the crimes or the lady in question but she didn't show remorse according to the court report and said it was just a bit of a laugh and fun....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"By that logic surely they should be banned from everywhere then? Incase you accidentally talk to one down the shop Or ask One for the time in the street.

Don't even get me started on what I think on that one... As I would happily not have them ever leave their houses

And what kind of life is that for another human being."

More than she deserves . And trust me if it had been my children she wouldn't have this issue

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

Is this the woman that took pics of babies in a play school (and more ) intrigued now

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

You can either have faith in this system, or you can try and change the system and the law by convincing society that we need to do it a different way.

I can't name the crimes or the lady in question but she didn't show remorse according to the court report and said it was just a bit of a laugh and fun.... "

I certainly wouldn't knowingly do it, but there are lots of things we don't know about the people we play with. For example some people have strong political opinions and wouldn't want to play with people who hold the opposite opinions. But I generally don't quiz people on gay marriage or taxation or religion or world politics etc. before playing.

I would say in this situation you had the choice to stay and play in that establishment, or to leave. From the sound of it you chose to stay. If I had been very upset about it, I would have left.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Why should we leave though. To be honest I thought they had left till the end of the night when they came out of a private room.. as we had not seen them... So assumed they had left.

But even so. We haven't done anything and she has...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I was that offended or disgusted by something I wouldn't want to have stayed...

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"The problem is the club only as your word for it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who is the sex offender, the male or the female?

Something that really boils my blood is the double standards in relation to this subject. When a guy has sexual contact with a minor there is disgust and uproar, which I fully agree with, but when a woman does it, what happens is the underage lad gets applauded and then criticised for alerting the authorities. Now don't get me wrong, I know pretty much every single lad in school has fantasies about the older woman/teacher situation but that in theory should remain as fantasy.

I recently read a story in the newspaper of a woman who was married to a soldier seduced her 14yo neighbour on multiple occasions and she got off with a slap on the wrist on the grounds that she was craving love and attention because her fella was away.

How disgusting is that? She should have been locked up with all the other nonces and her life me made a living hell! It infuriates me the double standards.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Why should we leave though. To be honest I thought they had left till the end of the night when they came out of a private room.. as we had not seen them... So assumed they had left.

But even so. We haven't done anything and she has... "

Well it depends how upset about it you were. Since we started swinging we decided never to push a bad situation, there will always be another opportunity, so just live to swing another day.

I doubt I could enjoy a sexual environment or encounter if I was preoccupied and thinking about paedophiles and child sex abuse

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Who is the sex offender, the male or the female?

How disgusting is that? She should have been locked up with all the other nonces and her life me made a living hell! It infuriates me the double standards. "

I understood it to be the female.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not your club, you can't dictate who is allowed to use it and who isn't.

I don't go to clubs yet so no idea how i'd react if a known peadophile came in, think i'd feel sick though.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

My responses would be the same for a male or female perpetrator

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can either have faith in this system, or you can try and change the system and the law by convincing society that we need to do it a different way."

Spot on.

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By *adysueandneroCouple
over a year ago

witney

"We came across someone at a club recently that we know 100% is on the sex offenders register for very serious offences. ( against children)

We made staff aware... And kept away from them but due to the nature of the offences we felt uncomfortable all night.

It's a lady on this case who comes with a male fb. He is aware of her status

How long was she in prison for?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The problem is the club only as your word for it.

As I pointed out they do not only have our word for out as she was in the papers after conviction and its all our there..

She is thankfully barred from most clubs we attend ... But I'm sure one day she will get her just desserts.. to be fair the guy taking her that knows is almost as bad in my book...

Oh and the fact she has a smartphone and the terms of her release are that She has no form of recording device or internet access.. I'll could just report her...

There are few things I feel this strongly about... I think somehow the fact she was /is a mother herself makes it feel worse ... No idea why it feels worse that its a woman.

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By *ornyharry39Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

All paedophiles need torturing with the biggest weapons you can find only thing for them Barry the baseball bat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you were that upset you could have left.

You may not want to hear it but they had as much of a right to be there as you.

Was there behaviour in the club in anyway offensive?

Once they have been punished they have the right to a normal life again. If anything you outing them to staff and friends could be seen as you inciting people to discriminate against them. What if one of your friends had got physical with them, or someone else overheard and acted on it.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

Tough situation..

On the one hand the lady has served her punishment...but released after crimes involving the underage....

Personally I wouldn't want to play with anyone who found kids a bit of fun but not sure id go round telling everyone.she may well have been rehabilitated,and is trying to live a more positive life.if she is then how does this help?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

She is not allowed in her home city and her 3 kids have been taken off her ...for good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She is not allowed in her home city and her 3 kids have been taken off her ...for good "

Has she not been punished enough then or do you think it needs people like you to ensure she continues to be persecuted?

In no way am I justifying her actions I just don't think that she needs to be hounded wherever she goes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If it has been a guy he would have been hung out to dry ...so you would be ok with Jimmy saville in a club !!!!!!,would you hell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So hypothetically speaking, if you know or are related to someone convicted, imprisoned, released and rehabilitated. You wouldn't want a second chance for them?

Or if it were you for that matter?

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By *amparaWoman
over a year ago

biggleswade

that's why lynch mobs are illegal

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

...and yet nobody is thinking about the people who have committed such a crime and either the public don't know or they have never been convicted of such.

Remember the paediatrician that got murdered becauseof the ignorant and stupid?

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

If I saw her in a playground and around children I'd have more concerns

In an adult environment she's likely to be more at risk of other people who know her history due to its highly emotive subject than a risk to anyone else

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

"If it has been a guy he would have been hung out to dry ...so you would be ok with Jimmy saville in a club !!!!!!,would you hell"

They'll be plenty of Jimmy Savilles on the scene and in clubs, you just won't know about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think regardless of who it was against, someone who has been committed of a sexual offense should NOT be allowed in a sex club. So she's done her time she should be left alone?! What about the poor kids? Abuse haunts them into adulthood!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So hypothetically speaking, if you know or are related to someone convicted, imprisoned, released and rehabilitated. You wouldn't want a second chance for them?

Or if it were you for that matter?"

If a member of my family was convicted of something like that.. I'd disown them at best...

I don't believe in 2nd chances for some of crimes... This being one of them...

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By *hristine and MarieCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Somewhere north of Spalding

Whilst it is understandable that perhaps you feel this person should have been removed/barred from the club, you have to remember the staff only had your word for this (and probably don't have the manpower to check). I am sure you have correct information but it would of course be possible for anyone to accuse someone who they don't like and who is perfectly innocent.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

So OP what are you going to do about it? Join a campaign group? Support a children's charity? Lobby your MP for a change in sentencing guidelines? Demand that swingers clubs carry out background checks? Or just talk about it on a forum?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So OP what are you going to do about it? Join a campaign group? Support a children's charity? Lobby your MP for a change in sentencing guidelines? Demand that swingers clubs carry out background checks? Or just talk about it on a forum?"

I think that checks should be made but apparently it's not possible... So I will bring it up that it should be easier for anywhere to check the different registers x

I mean normal clubs can ban known violent offenders and share information

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By *e ja vue 2Couple
over a year ago

MANCHESTER

Personally we would have left the club after telling the club owners and all who were there, not screamed it but informed all who were in the club

If the offender had the brass neck to stay, Then the patrons who stayed would have doen so with the full knowledge of who they were playing with and the club would have lost a lot of business from those who would have left with us.

We would have left the club with a feeling of a sence of moral duty to the swinging public without condoning the offenders actions in anyway.

but hey thats just us

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over a year ago

birmingham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She is not allowed in her home city and her 3 kids have been taken off her ...for good

Has she not been punished enough then or do you think it needs people like you to ensure she continues to be persecuted?

In no way am I justifying her actions I just don't think that she needs to be hounded wherever she goes."

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Why should we leave though. To be honest I thought they had left till the end of the night when they came out of a private room.. as we had not seen them... So assumed they had left.

But even so. We haven't done anything and she has... "

You should have left as by staying you were in effect condoning her being in the club.

If we was in such a situation there is no way we would or could play knowing she was there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tell the club owners and leave it at that. Telling everyone is unprofessional. Leave it to the proper authorities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Chinese whispers ruine people

Child abuse does too,and abusers have the option to not do it. "

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

"The problem is the club only as your word for it.

As I pointed out they do not only have our word for out as she was in the papers after conviction and its all our there..

She is thankfully barred from most clubs we attend ... But I'm sure one day she will get her just desserts.. to be fair the guy taking her that knows is almost as bad in my book...

Oh and the fact she has a smartphone and the terms of her release are that She has no form of recording device or internet access.. I'll could just report her...

There are few things I feel this strongly about... I think somehow the fact she was /is a mother herself makes it feel worse ... No idea why it feels worse that its a woman.

OP can you private message me a link or a name to Google so i can understand where you're coming from a bit better?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I was that offended or disgusted by something I wouldn't want to have stayed..."

Agreed.

It seems your principles go only so far.

Clearly an emotive subject but, everyone has a past and none of have all the information on everyone we meet in this lifestyle. We make decisions based on brief interactions mostly.

If it was deemed this lady was free to join society again, why do you feel compelled to keep punishing her when she's not doing anything illegal and she's interacting with consenting adults only in that environment?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"The problem is the club only as your word for it.

As I pointed out they do not only have our word for out as she was in the papers after conviction and its all our there..

She is thankfully barred from most clubs we attend ... But I'm sure one day she will get her just desserts.. to be fair the guy taking her that knows is almost as bad in my book...

Oh and the fact she has a smartphone and the terms of her release are that She has no form of recording device or internet access.. I'll could just report her...

There are few things I feel this strongly about... I think somehow the fact she was /is a mother herself makes it feel worse ... No idea why it feels worse that its a woman.

If she's breaking the terms of her release you should report her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd feel vile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the evidence is there, report it, ok they have other sexual kinks apart from children.

But think of the single woman in clubs who they have no interest in, just getting in with them to groom the kids.

Sly devious..i cant go on i will be banned.

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We came across someone at a club recently that we know 100% is on the sex offenders register for very serious offences. ( against children)

We made staff aware... And kept away from them but due to the nature of the offences we felt uncomfortable all night.

It's a lady on this case who comes with a male fb. He is aware of her status

Was it you both ? If not the first thing you should of done is rung the police and protect innocent lives instead of clogging the Forum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do we need to supply a disclosure scotland before going into clubs now?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"We came across someone at a club recently that we know 100% is on the sex offenders register for very serious offences. ( against children)

We made staff aware... And kept away from them but due to the nature of the offences we felt uncomfortable all night.

It's a lady on this case who comes with a male fb. He is aware of her status

Was it you both ? If not the first thing you should of done is rung the police and protect innocent lives instead of clogging the Forum.

Unless the woman has been banned from sex clubs as part of her release what could the police do?

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems."

Hmmm. You're above the look law yourself though, how does that work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems."

I do have mental problems. Correct. However they have no affect on my opinion that as a human being that has been punished that there is no problem being allowed in a club strictly for adults. If she was unsafe to be out in public she would be locked up.

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

Hmmm. You're above the look law yourself though, how does that work?"

Now did I say I am above the law ?

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over a year ago

If she was that recognisable surely others in the club should have clocked who she was??

I certainly wouldn't want to play with someone of her ilk and I think if I came across someone like that in a club I'd lose my mojo and decide to go home.

You can never vet everyone that goes to clubs, but if I owned a club, I think if it came to my attention that people with a proven history of sexual abuse/violence were attending I would bar them as it is likely to bring the reputation of the club into dispute.

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

Get yourself to the doctors then, if your already on medication you may need it reviewing.

P.s. the views of people who admittedly have mental health problems should be disregarded as these problems are likely to impair judgement.

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over a year ago

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

Get yourself to the doctors then, if your already on medication you may need it reviewing.

P.s. the views of people who admittedly have mental health problems should be disregarded as these problems are likely to impair judgement.

I don't need anything reviewing thanks.

Disregard the opinions of people with mental health issues. or just the ones that have a different one to yours?

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over a year ago

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

Get yourself to the doctors then, if your already on medication you may need it reviewing.

P.s. the views of people who admittedly have mental health problems should be disregarded as these problems are likely to impair judgement.

Wow! Uncalled for

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

Hmmm. You're above the look law yourself though, how does that work?

Now did I say I am above the law ? "

Yes, you believe in dishing out your own version of justice.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

Get yourself to the doctors then, if your already on medication you may need it reviewing.

P.s. the views of people who admittedly have mental health problems should be disregarded as these problems are likely to impair judgement.

I don't need anything reviewing thanks.

Disregard the opinions of people with mental health issues. or just the ones that have a different one to yours?"

I strongly suspect that I know the answer to that otherwise it would call their own opinion in to doubt.

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

Get yourself to the doctors then, if your already on medication you may need it reviewing.

P.s. the views of people who admittedly have mental health problems should be disregarded as these problems are likely to impair judgement.

Wow! Uncalled for

How ? if you review the reply you will realise that it is just a logical statement.

To those who have sympathy towards child sex offenders please make yourself know, helps us out the wheat from the chaff, though please don't expect a response as I have neither the desire nor inclination to engage you any further.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

Get yourself to the doctors then, if your already on medication you may need it reviewing.

P.s. the views of people who admittedly have mental health problems should be disregarded as these problems are likely to impair judgement.

Wow! Uncalled for

How ? if you review the reply you will realise that it is just a logical statement.

I have not once said I have sympathy. I just think people should be treat like human beings. Even if they've done wrong and paid the price.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I think that checks should be made but apparently it's not possible... So I will bring it up that it should be easier for anywhere to check the different registers x

I mean normal clubs can ban known violent offenders and share information "

But the crimes she has allegedly committed bear no relation to swinging. As someone else said,if she was seen hanging around children I'd understand you wanting something done but she has served her time and taken her punishment.

You talk about serving retribution yet you did nothing. Why was that?

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

As this is more than just a small problem then if your very active in the club scene then statistically you may have played with one already - convicted or yet to be found out!

(FYI not saying the congregate here just pure maths reasoning before any backlash)

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

Having now seen the women in question regardless of the offence don't see how she would get any action in a club let alone anywhere else and after reading up on the situation i believe it's alot more complicated than meets the eye having said that i have trust in the system that DIDN'T jail her(suspended sentence) and still let's her see her own children even if it is supervised and ensures she will never work with children again for life let the right people deal with this as they have all the information and facts vigilantes get things wrong and make mistakes like the vigilantes who almost killed 8 members of an innocent family when they set the wrong house on fire trying to kill her

i'll go and take cover for the backlash

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think that checks should be made but apparently it's not possible... So I will bring it up that it should be easier for anywhere to check the different registers x

I mean normal clubs can ban known violent offenders and share information

You talk about serving retribution yet you did nothing. Why was that?"
she hasn't allegedly done anything she has been found guilty ... I thought she had left, right up until she walked past me and had I not been a mother myself and having to think of the fact that I could get arrested for it.. I would have happily shown her what I think.

She makes me utterly sick to my stomach. And I do not feel in anyway bad if this woman suffers for every day of her life.

.there is some things that there is no justice for... And this is a unforgivable act imho.

Maybe it's my mothers instincts but had I known at thy time she was just hiding I would have told her what I thought. The club has now said they are looking into it and do not want associating with someone like that x

Plus what's to stop her getting private meets from this and being in peoples homes with kids.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

I think that checks should be made but apparently it's not possible... So I will bring it up that it should be easier for anywhere to check the different registers x

I mean normal clubs can ban known violent offenders and share information

You talk about serving retribution yet you did nothing. Why was that? she hasn't allegedly done anything she has been found guilty ... I thought she had left, right up until she walked past me and had I not been a mother myself and having to think of the fact that I could get arrested for it.. I would have happily shown her what I think.

She makes me utterly sick to my stomach. And I do not feel in anyway bad if this woman suffers for every day of her life.

.there is some things that there is no justice for... And this is a unforgivable act imho.

Plus what's to stop her getting private meets from this and being in peoples homes with kids. "

so what do you suggest should happen?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If I put what I honestly think should happen to people that commit such crimes I would be banned...

I'm happy that she will be banned from yet another club.

I am a bit shocked that so many People have said it doesn't bother them as its in the past... Even in prison that's a crime no one wants to associate with.

Personally its something that can never be forgiven or any time served be enough

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

"If I put what I honestly think should happen to people that commit such crimes I would be banned...

I'm happy that she will be banned from yet another club.

I am a bit shocked that so many People have said it doesn't bother them as its in the past... Even in prison that's a crime no one wants to associate with.

Personally its something that can never be forgiven or any time served be enough "

i get you're point i really do but she went through the legal system and a judge deemed the crime not worthy of a custodial sentence so what more can you do? we have a legal system and must trust it we don't always have to agree with it but you must respect it

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

" we have a legal system and must trust it we don't always have to agree with it but you must respect it "

You can't respect something that can not be trusted. Google "uk law failing" and you will see a catalogue of reports year after year detailing how uk law is failing. Though I do believe that in your statement you are playing devils advocate.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"If I put what I honestly think should happen to people that commit such crimes I would be banned...

I'm happy that she will be banned from yet another club.

I am a bit shocked that so many People have said it doesn't bother them as its in the past... Even in prison that's a crime no one wants to associate with.

Personally its something that can never be forgiven or any time served be enough "

Nobody ahs said it doesn't bother them. You asked what we would do, you have done nothing yourself other than report it to the club and tell your mates...what exactly do you expect us to do?

There is a huge difference between discussing what we would do in your situation and not being bothered by paedophiles.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

" we have a legal system and must trust it we don't always have to agree with it but you must respect it

I agree without the use of google that the system does fail and let SOME people down NOT ALL but some i just think untill there is something to replace that system it's all we have to go with like it or not because the other way (vigilante justice) almost killed a whole family of 8 by mistake as pointed out above

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

Get yourself to the doctors then, if your already on medication you may need it reviewing.

P.s. the views of people who admittedly have mental health problems should be disregarded as these problems are likely to impair judgement.

Wow! Uncalled for

How ? if you review the reply you will realise that it is just a logical statement.

Nobody here has sympathy towards sex offenders. I have no wish to engage with you despite this though since you seem to have an agenda all of your own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You failed to answer part of my original question OP, hypothetically speaking........if it were you in the woman in questions position. Would you like to be treated the way you feel the need to treat her.

I have nothing but disgust for what she's done but the justice system (failing or not, separate issue) has put her through the system and is reintegrating her into society. Would you want that chance or would you dish the punishment you won't talk about upon yourself?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Think I would of kicked off, police would of been called and ambulance to. For these crimes there is no cure and I believe they have lost the right to live.

To the people who don't see this as a issue, you also have some serious mental problems.

Get yourself to the doctors then, if your already on medication you may need it reviewing.

P.s. the views of people who admittedly have mental health problems should be disregarded as these problems are likely to impair judgement.

Yes, because those of us who are able to discuss the matter in reasonable terms without insulting people's mental health issues are the ones with a problem! Please

You may think it's big and clever to round threatening physical violence I'm people however it makes you no better than them.

I have not and would never say that what the person has done is right however they have to all intents and purposes served the punishment set by the courts, proved themselves to be of low enough risk to be free in society albeit being registered on the sex offenders list.

This thread was not about what she did,it was about whether or not she should be allowed to be in an adult environment.

The environment in which she was spotted was not one with children present and so there was no issue with her being there. Personally I would have thought it better that she sticks to meeting in clubs rather than meets at people's homes where children could be. Wouldn't you agree?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

P.s. the views of people who admittedly have mental health problems should be disregarded as these problems are likely to impair judgement.

MIND states that 1 in 4 of the UK population will suffer from a mental health problem in any one year. So your sweeping generalization applies to a lot of people. Mental health issues affect people from all walks of Life and they are still able to function in many important jobs without it affecting their judgements, so just because someone has a mental health issue that doesn't mean they should not be able voice an opinion on a forum.

As I said above, if you're not happy with the law or the sentencing guidelines, then do something about it rather than just complaining on a forum.

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

P.s. the views of people who admittedly have mental health problems should be disregarded as these problems are likely to impair judgement.

As I said above, if you're not happy with the law or the sentencing guidelines, then do something about it rather than just complaining on a forum."

My statement is not an insult it is a fact and quite a obvious one at that. Put it this way its enough to get you off jury duty.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I think you will find people with mental health issues working as doctors, judges, lawyers, soldiers, politicians, policeman etc. etc.

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

Oh and to those who believe once they have served their sentence, I have a funny feeling you wouldn't feel that way if it was your child who was abused.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We came across someone at a club recently that we know 100% is on the sex offenders register for very serious offences. ( against children)

We made staff aware... And kept away from them but due to the nature of the offences we felt uncomfortable all night.

It's a lady on this case who comes with a male fb. He is aware of her status

Was it you both ? If not the first thing you should of done is rung the police and protect innocent lives instead of clogging the Forum.

Thus far only got o p opinion and regarding the smartphone thing how does o p or others know her licence has not expired and therefore any restrictions not in place.

Anyone witb a brain ahould be disgusted at nature of alleged offences yes alleged because we rightly do not know to whom this relates to. If the person has been granted anonymity for life the o p and others need to be extremely carful what they say and to whom as do club owners.

As u palatable as it is lets say there was known murderer would the outcry be the same I doubt it.

If the person has served the sentence and complied with licence conditions they should be left alone if for one minute anyone thinks that because time served does not mean they are monitored are wrong.

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

"I think you will find people with mental health issues working as doctors, judges, lawyers, soldiers, politicians, policeman etc. etc."

Go do some research, try mm maybe do mental health problems impair your judgment.

Its a fact not an opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh and to those who believe once they have served their sentence, I have a funny feeling you wouldn't feel that way if it was your child who was abused.

I ask you the same question as the op then. If it was you that had been convicted and served your time?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I am impressed with the balance of arguments and how sensible most people are being.

A difficult subject though.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Oh and to those who believe once they have served their sentence, I have a funny feeling you wouldn't feel that way if it was your child who was abused.

No then people would feel different. That's why victims aren't allowed to pass judgement on the perpetrators of crimes. Why have a professional judiciary to do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am impressed with the balance of arguments and how sensible most people are being.

A difficult subject though."
sensible from some

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

Serving a sentence doesn't guarantee the sentence was appropriate. It doesn't mean the sentence 'cured' a person of pedophilia. Serving a sentence doesn't erase a crime. And it doesn't mean I, or anyone, should feel comfortable that they are sharing a sexual environment, or that they should feel welcome, like any violent criminal. The consequences of illegal actions do indeed extend beyond a prison sentence, and I'd never want to be in a club environment where a known child abuser was welcome. It's not shopping at liddle, a child molester in a sexual environment is to say the very least creepy and uncomfortable

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

And yet the only person who knew about this woman's past, chose to stay and play.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Serving a sentence doesn't guarantee the sentence was appropriate. It doesn't mean the sentence 'cured' a person of pedophilia. Serving a sentence doesn't erase a crime. And it doesn't mean I, or anyone, should feel comfortable that they are sharing a sexual environment, or that they should feel welcome, like any violent criminal. The consequences of illegal actions do indeed extend beyond a prison sentence, and I'd never want to be in a club environment where a known child abuser was welcome. It's not shopping at liddle, a child molester in a sexual environment is to say the very least creepy and uncomfortable

I agree I wouldn't either. I don't know what I would do but I do know I wouldn't bash the person up.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"And yet the only person who knew about this woman's past, chose to stay and play. "

As we thought she had left.. And only found out when she left that she had gone into a private room...

No I still don't think we should have had to and had I realised she hadn't left I would have made sure she had.

There is no forgiveness of this crime..And I was asking people what would you do..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You failed to answer part of my original question OP, hypothetically speaking........if it were you in the woman in questions position. Would you like to be treated the way you feel the need to treat her.

I wouldn't have done what she had so bit hard to answer...And If you do things like that the you have to expect a life time of hatred and justly deserved too. So not that I could or would as its inconceivable to me but yes I'd expect yo always have to watch my back .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have to be so careful here. Those on the register are monitored by a dedicated police team and usually have some form of mindset 're-education', which is why sex offenders have some of the lowest, if not the lowest, re-offending rates out of any serious crime.

The problem you have is, if you tell people at a club and someone decides to injure the person as a result, then you're personally liable and can be sued.

I don't know her crimes but you say they're serious - just be careful how you proceed if you see her there again.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I am not bothered about reporting it to people. And she can't be being that monitored because I know full well she has been to private meets with guys at their houses...

And I'd not loose any sleep if I found out someone had done something to her... Something even I didnt know till yesterday was that it was her own child she did the main crime against..

If you met her and found out later what she had done.... Would people honestly think.. oh well doesn't matter... It's in the past.

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By *ombshellWoman
over a year ago

islington

i think i would have rather walked past her in an adult club than outside a childs playground!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am not bothered about reporting it to people. And she can't be being that monitored because I know full well she has been to private meets with guys at their houses...

And I'd not loose any sleep if I found out someone had done something to her... Something even I didnt know till yesterday was that it was her own child she did the main crime against..

If you met her and found out later what she had done.... Would people honestly think.. oh well doesn't matter... It's in the past. "

By monitored I mean she's on the radar of the police - they'll be visiting her etc. she is free to do what she wants though, including meets.

You may not lose any sleep but you would probably lose a lot of money if she found out it was you and she decided to sue you.

I'm not saying I have sympathy for her - I'd just stay away from her. Telling people at a club can only end badly, either way.

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By *amparaWoman
over a year ago

biggleswade

this is why we have the law and leave it to the proper authorities otherwise we would have countless lynch mobs

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

She won't be going to that club again now anyway. And I have no money to take.

She is not on some protection program and her details out there for all to see..

I have made my stance on this Crystal clear and she just best hope to manage to stay clear of any where I am because next time I can't promise not to act on my impulse

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I am not bothered about reporting it to people. And she can't be being that monitored because I know full well she has been to private meets with guys at their houses...

And I'd not loose any sleep if I found out someone had done something to her... Something even I didnt know till yesterday was that it was her own child she did the main crime against..

If you met her and found out later what she had done.... Would people honestly think.. oh well doesn't matter... It's in the past. "

You are straying in to the territory of assumption here. Because she has been to private meets she isn't being monitored, you're 100% sure of that?

It's an awful situation to be in and I don't envy you because I have no idea what I would do.

Nobody is saying that they would be happy to have played with a paedophile they are putting forward different points of view and possibilities. It's the situation that's wrong not the people commenting on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well that's just ridiculous - do anything to her and you'll end up with a caution for assault if you hit her.

What good would that do?

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By *amparaWoman
over a year ago

biggleswade

then you would be in prison is it worth the loss of your liberty and please don't say it is because what use would that do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By that logic surely they should be banned from everywhere then? Incase you accidentally talk to one down the shop Or ask One for the time in the street.

Don't even get me started on what I think on that one... As I would happily not have them ever leave their houses

And what kind of life is that for another human being."

"human being" that's what makes them dangerous because they look like human beings but they don't think like human beings the fact that she thinks nothing of even going to a club with her history speaks volumes a human being would be too ashamed. Not show their face in the shop never mind talk to anyone would tell you the wrong time because they lie all the time.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"She won't be going to that club again now anyway. And I have no money to take.

She is not on some protection program and her details out there for all to see..

I have made my stance on this Crystal clear and she just best hope to manage to stay clear of any where I am because next time I can't promise not to act on my impulse"

You seem to know an awful lot about her personal circumstances.

Something needs to be done because it seems that paedophiles often re offend but in this country at the moment at least, we can't punish somebody for a crime they haven't committed yet. That is what people are saying, not that they have sympathy for her.

I personally would avoid making threats such as you have on a forum that non members can see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By that logic surely they should be banned from everywhere then? Incase you accidentally talk to one down the shop Or ask One for the time in the street.

Don't even get me started on what I think on that one... As I would happily not have them ever leave their houses

And what kind of life is that for another human being.

A crime that she has been punished for. A club also strictly for adults. People who say they'd beat her up etc are just as bad in my eyes tbh. I'd never condone what she's done but ibhave faith in the justice system and in the fact that people can be rehabilitated and change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She won't be going to that club again now anyway. And I have no money to take.

She is not on some protection program and her details out there for all to see..

I have made my stance on this Crystal clear and she just best hope to manage to stay clear of any where I am because next time I can't promise not to act on my impulse

You seem to know an awful lot about her personal circumstances.

I personally would avoid making threats such as you have on a forum that non members can see."

Just to correct you there, paedophiles have some of the lowest re-offending rates out there, mostly due to the monitoring, 're-education' etc.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

The sex offenders list contains many,outdated,so called crimes..I do not know the ins and outs of this particular case,however the op asks "what would you do"? I would have to answer; Nothing..

I am in a adult situation with others that may include murderers,rapists etc I don't believe their past has anything to do with me in that scenario.. For whatever reason,so called sex offenders bring out hysteria,over reaction,fear and irrational responses..It aint going away so lets try and deal with it calmly..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem is the club only as your word for it."

That is my only concern here, though I fully agree that people should never harm children in any way, everyone there only had your word on this matter, (not that I am calling you a liar).

The Club owners would gave been placed in a difficult position, without official paperwork or solid evidence, they were powerless really.

Not sure what I would have done in your position, but as someone else has pointed out, to be a paedophile is different from being a Swinger and having sex with consenting adults.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"She won't be going to that club again now anyway. And I have no money to take.

She is not on some protection program and her details out there for all to see..

I have made my stance on this Crystal clear and she just best hope to manage to stay clear of any where I am because next time I can't promise not to act on my impulse

You seem to know an awful lot about her personal circumstances.

I personally would avoid making threats such as you have on a forum that non members can see.

Just to correct you there, paedophiles have some of the lowest re-offending rates out there, mostly due to the monitoring, 're-education' etc."

Is that right? Thank you I didn't know, it shows the difference between public perception and reality. In my defence I did say it seems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By that logic surely they should be banned from everywhere then? Incase you accidentally talk to one down the shop Or ask One for the time in the street.

Don't even get me started on what I think on that one... As I would happily not have them ever leave their houses

And what kind of life is that for another human being.

We respect your beliefs but do not think they can be change it's in them to lie and be devious. Wish we had your faith in people x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No problem

Just wanted to double check so did a quick Google - I can't post the link, but according to the home office website, less than 1% of those convicted of crimes against children go on to reoffend in the same or a similar way. This is compared to a reoffending rate of over 35% for those convicted of 'lesser' crimes, such as theft.

A point that I don't think had been mentioned is, surely it's better for her to be concentrating on adults in a club than children in a park?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"No problem

A point that I don't think had been mentioned is, surely it's better for her to be concentrating on adults in a club than children in a park?"

You'd think.

I wouldnt be comfortable in a club with someone like this and I'm glad it isnt a situation I've had to deal with.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"No problem

A point that I don't think had been mentioned is, surely it's better for her to be concentrating on adults in a club than children in a park?"

I'm thinking some of the reasons for low reoffending rates is the intense public vilification, the constant community scrutiny of that outed person, their removal from locations and situations (no living near a school, no working with children etc)

On swinging sites, we've heard of people offering their underage children up for sex. We've been contacted by people who wanted us to fuck their Alsatian. Swinging is an adult environment, but it's a sex environment, a networking environment, and it does contain illegal and/or immoral activities that shouldn't have a blind eye turned to them.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

As sexually active adults,lots of us have probably had sex with rapists,murderers,terrorists & yes even child sex offenders without realising it..

Would you have done it had you realised their history?? Guess we all answer that one differently..

As for the predicament of op,i would not have felt the need to tell anyone,nor would i have allowed it to spoil my evening

.good thread to make us think,so thanks op.

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

I hope government figures havnt been quoted on here, if they have please remember these figures should be disregarded due to the implications of the accusations of covering up of high level peadophilia with in the government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The bloke who this woman was chatting to is on here.

I know he is breaking his conditions and I keep reporting the profile, and fab remove it.

He has a female friend who keeps verifying his profile, can fab ban her as well?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The bloke who this woman was chatting to is on here.

I know he is breaking his conditions and I keep reporting the profile, and fab remove it.

He has a female friend who keeps verifying his profile, can fab ban her as well?"

Report her profile too with details of his profile and what you've said here. Certainly worth a try.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its annoying he keeps popping up. I don't care what he does, just the fact he is breaking his conditions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wot happened did anyone do anything to them ??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Its annoying he keeps popping up. I don't care what he does, just the fact he is breaking his conditions"

It's quite scary to think they are both on here..

Lets hope they are kept away from people x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both arrested and sentenced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well i know what i would of done for sure ,as for not saying anything suppose not doing anything as well come's in to that,i luv filth and with the right woman luv to take it as far as she will go,i think you should let some "lads" know who thay are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They can both drop off the ends of the earth for all I care, nowt to do with me.

Only issue I have is the stupid bitch who keeps verifying him. He is breaking his SOPO by being in here and he isn't allowed to be alone with kids under 18.

Some poor bastard will have him for a home meet and end with social services questioning the kids as he went to the toilet and he was unattended.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem is the club only as your word for it.

As I pointed out they do not only have our word for out as she was in the papers after conviction and its all our there..

She is thankfully barred from most clubs we attend ... But I'm sure one day she will get her just desserts.. to be fair the guy taking her that knows is almost as bad in my book...

Oh and the fact she has a smartphone and the terms of her release are that She has no form of recording device or internet access.. I'll could just report her...

There are few things I feel this strongly about... I think somehow the fact she was /is a mother herself makes it feel worse ... No idea why it feels worse that its a woman.

OP can you private message me a link or a name to Google so i can understand where you're coming from a bit better?"

Same here I would be interested in the actual facts of the case as presented to the court.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"They can both drop off the ends of the earth for all I care, nowt to do with me.

Only issue I have is the stupid bitch who keeps verifying him. He is breaking his SOPO by being in here and he isn't allowed to be alone with kids under 18.

Some poor bastard will have him for a home meet and end with social services questioning the kids as he went to the toilet and he was unattended."

Yep. That's one reason I always come out so strongly about meeting at home with the kids in bed , advertising that in threads and talking on here about your kids.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"They can both drop off the ends of the earth for all I care, nowt to do with me.

Only issue I have is the stupid bitch who keeps verifying him. He is breaking his SOPO by being in here and he isn't allowed to be alone with kids under 18.

Some poor bastard will have him for a home meet and end with social services questioning the kids as he went to the toilet and he was unattended."

This is my worry with her too. As people may show less restraint with inviting a single woman over x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".....i think you should let some "lads" know who thay are "

Whilst I can understand why you said this, I do not think it is a wise course of action to either incite nor to commit. To do either would also mean that you are breaking the law.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

".....i think you should let some "lads" know who thay are

Whilst I can understand why you said this, I do not think it is a wise course of action to either incite nor to commit. To do either would also mean that you are breaking the law."

I wonder who these "lads" are who will do whatever is implied here on somebody else's say so. Upstanding pillars of society? Is that how we want things done, crews of "lads" dishing out punishment just in case somebody commits so crime or punishing people even after they've been through the justice system? All because someone claims to have recognised them somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'd never send a group of lads around. If I felt strong enough I'd act myself.

Ive gone with reporting to those in the know and hope that they do something...

Sadly I guess she won't be the only one but knowing makes it all the worst. I'd love to have them forced to wear a sign all the time but I bet that would be an infringement of their liberties as heaven forbid they should be treated as the monsters that they are

Lets see if the proper channels sort it x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reported her and his profile to admin.

Also reported their friends who keep verifying them so they can meet others.

Hopefully it will stop them coming back on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She won't be going to that club again now anyway. And I have no money to take.

She is not on some protection program and her details out there for all to see..

I have made my stance on this Crystal clear and she just best hope to manage to stay clear of any where I am because next time I can't promise not to act on my impulse"

I love how in the process of describing how much of a threat to society this woman is that you keep making threats of violence. You can hardly justify your mother's instinct if your children aren't there. You clearly have the same lack of impulse control!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"She won't be going to that club again now anyway. And I have no money to take.

She is not on some protection program and her details out there for all to see..

I have made my stance on this Crystal clear and she just best hope to manage to stay clear of any where I am because next time I can't promise not to act on my impulse

That's the irony in many of the replies on this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She won't be going to that club again now anyway. And I have no money to take.

She is not on some protection program and her details out there for all to see..

I have made my stance on this Crystal clear and she just best hope to manage to stay clear of any where I am because next time I can't promise not to act on my impulse

Yes the irony would be funny if it wasn;lt such a serious topic.

The OP's posts really donlt cast them in a good light

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By *4nc3rCouple
over a year ago

Clacton-On-Sea, Essex

"By that logic surely they should be banned from everywhere then? Incase you accidentally talk to one down the shop Or ask One for the time in the street.

Don't even get me started on what I think on that one... As I would happily not have them ever leave their houses

And what kind of life is that for another human being."

Mentally deranged scum. Not human beings....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

pm me his name x

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"pm me his name x

It was a woman.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

I'm curious as to why we cannot know the name.

If they have been tried and convicted then it's a matter of public record and it cannot be disputed.

Saying the name in conjunction with the clubs name would of course be questionable as it could harm the clubs business.

But saying I was in a club last night and saw Fred West, what should I have done about it, would simply be a matter of fact.

You say they are not on fabswingers so again you're not outing someone on here.

As for the point in question, you can say it was x y or z. But the club would have to be sure, to bar them from the club. But they probably could do so with it being a private members club.

Whether they should or should not, will be down to their own opinions and values.

As for us, it would probably put us off playing and we'd probably leave, if we knew.

Thankfully I would not know a sex offender if I bumped into one in the street.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"pm me his name x

It was a woman."

So that's what the last 100 or so posts were about ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah i know,different strokes for different folks yeah

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"pm me his name x

It was a woman.

So that's what the last 100 or so posts were about ..."

To be honest I lost track but the original post was about a woman.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

PM me for the name if you wanna look her up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem is the club only as your word for it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The post is about a woman who was done for certain crimes against children.

She has a profile on here, which is against her terms for being free.

The man she was convicted of being in a ring with is also on here, which is against his terms of being free.

I do not care what these individuals get up to that is there life blah blah, but am worried about the potential for them hooking up in a swinging club

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"The post is about a woman who was done for certain crimes against children.

She has a profile on here, which is against her terms for being free.

The man she was convicted of being in a ring with is also on here, which is against his terms of being free.

I do not care what these individuals get up to that is there life blah blah, but am worried about the potential for them hooking up in a swinging club"

I see. If it's against the conditions of their licence it's a police matter isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also against terms of use on Fab

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By *rnortholtMan
over a year ago

Waveney Valley

I've no idea who we're talking about here, but I'm prepared to accept they may have committed the most heinous of crimes.

In that situation, if I saw them shopping in the local supermarket, would I run and find the manager?

How about telling everyone within earshot that they were who they were?

In what way is a swinging club different, other than the fact there are probably rather fewer children there?

It's one thing to shun people you find morally reprehensible or to report them to the police if you suspect by being on here they continue to pose a threat.

But so much of what's been posted in this thread shows all the signs of being straight out of the book "Lynch Mobs for Dummies."

Get a grip! What started out as a hate fest for paedophiles quickly morphed into "let's get the nutters, while we're at it."

Oh and anyone who doesn't want to grab a flaming torch and come with their pitchfork to the castle should be put against a wall and shot too.

My only consolation in all this is that the child sex offenders and scary, violent people, all seem to down the swingers' club rather than seeking a meet with me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The sex offenders list contains many,outdated,so called crimes..I do not know the ins and outs of this particular case,however the op asks "what would you do"? I would have to answer; Nothing..

Dogging being a crime that can get you on sex offenders list, sure plenty on this site go dogging, so if they get caught, end up on a list, should try be hung out to dry?

At end day woman served her time that justice system set, it's upto law to decide what she does not joe blog public.

Her crime is a disgusting one, I personally would left the club

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been reporting his profiles for years to both police and admin as he shouldn't be on here as has a lifetime ban from social media. I have done so without fuss or stirring up a mob.

I know he has attended clubs, and no I didn't tell the clubs as at the end of the day he was stupid enough to eff up his own life.

What alarms me is the female half of the duo is also on the website, attending the same clubs breaking her sentencing.

Both have friends who verify their new accounts and think its OK to enable them to get online. It doesn't matter as they are people who have a right to have sex?

No, they are predators and will be monitored for the rest of their lives. They are the scary people who hurt kids and will do again. I'm not looking to burn their houses down but I won't be passive enough to enable them to carry on getting their kicks

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple
over a year ago

Kirkby in Ashfield

"By that logic surely they should be banned from everywhere then? Incase you accidentally talk to one down the shop Or ask One for the time in the street.

Don't even get me started on what I think on that one... As I would happily not have them ever leave their houses

And what kind of life is that for another human being."

Sorry but have to jump in here how can this evil person have the right to be classed as a human being if they are a nonce. I think some who r defending this person need to think what if this person come in contact with your kids or kids in your family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We came across someone at a club recently that we know 100% is on the sex offenders register for very serious offences. ( against children)

We made staff aware... And kept away from them but due to the nature of the offences we felt uncomfortable all night.

It's a lady on this case who comes with a male fb. He is aware of her status

I'd be really uncomfortable if I found out after playing with her.

I've been in a VERY similar situation where the person was convicted and sent to prison shortly after we played together and it's not something I'd want anything to do with.

I'd feel the same about a rapist or any other non-consent crime. I do not want to play with people who don't understand what consent means.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

Surely a swinging club is the ideal place to REHABILITATE a sex offender?

No means no, no kids, plenty of witnesses....

All we need now is a way of sorting out the mob who don't agree with the country's sentencing policy and will happily make threats from the safety of their keyboard. (which, given that the target could apparently see it, is probably a criminal offence too)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Surely a swinging club is the ideal place to REHABILITATE a sex offender?

I don't want to have pity sex with a criminal to try and rehabilitate them.

I don't want to have sex with people who don't understand what consent means.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

As shown above, it's the ones that haven't been classed (yet) that you should worry about. Statistically, it's the unconvicted who are the problem.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

I don't want to have sex with people who don't understand what consent means."

By saying no to them, Wouldn't you be teaching them?

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By *orkieLassCouple
over a year ago

York

And to think I had a 48 hour ban from the forums for calling someone a twat for their opinions on mental health problems, yet some kiddy fiddler gets away pretty much scot free. The mind boggles....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok I've read everyone's views and opinions and as a former victim of a paedophile I got to say some of the views are

shocking.

Two wrongs Never make a right especially where violence is concerned. I don't know what to say as ultimately I'd prefer that if these people were to swing it wasn't behind unsuspecting people's closed doors.

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