FabSwingers.com forum: Members swing AND prostituting

By *otterandharlot OP Couple
over a year ago

Harlow

Short intro, we friended some people and sat on the sidelines as they a had an argument with a single guy. When it was all over, months later he messages us and links us to a AdultWork dot com profile showing us that the couple were selling sex as well as swinging.

At first we said sod it, cobblers to the lot plenty of other good people about. But then we thought is it really them or has he just taken their pics and uploaded them. So we went back to the site but we'd lost the link so we had to crawl about with the Search.

In the end yes it was them pimpin' plus we found three more fabswingers all within 5 miles! It seems to be a growing trend.

Where does the site stand on this? Where do fellow swingers stand?

Personally it just seems a bit mankey, everyone has to pay the bills and all, times is hard etc but it seems to cheapen swinging.

I think when we get back in the swing [on pregnancy leave!] we'll keep to couples who only meet with couples.

That's just our perspective.

Anyone else?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe so long as they aren't charging who they meet on here then it's fine.

Being a prostitute by profession tends to mean you don't get much choice in who you shag, so they may come on here for the real fun!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree with el nino...

As long as they are not asking for money on here then its no one's business but theirs what they get upto.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all i ask for is me bus fare and some cider

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have come acroos lots of people I have met over the past 2 years that are also on that site...not my thing...but I guess to each their own...

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By *evin5050Man
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Last weekend a new young woman joined Fabs and being very local and within her age range etc I contacted her. After a few friendly mails she asked me if I would pay for sex with her! I declined and have since noticed she is not on here anymore. In can only assume that someone else reported her before I did and must have tried it on with a few people.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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As long as they are not advertising the fact they are escorts on the site..be that in mails, constantly bring the subject up in chat or the forums when it isn't relevant or advertising it on their profile, then they are welcome on the site.

Escorts can be swingers too.

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Nothing wrong with the oldest profession in the world

Its jusy not allowed on here

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

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"Last weekend a new young woman joined Fabs and being very local and within her age range etc I contacted her. After a few friendly mails she asked me if I would pay for sex with her! I declined and have since noticed she is not on here anymore. In can only assume that someone else reported her before I did and must have tried it on with a few people. "

Probably.......and what does happen to Escorts if they are working as escorts on here.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If my family and friends knew I met men from the internet they would be disgusted: for those of us on here it's fun.

Some of the activities within swinging is not for me, but I respect the right of others to play how they wish.

I could be missing a trick doing for free what some would pay a premium for but that's not for me.

We each have our own moral compass: is it really too much to ask, letting others live their lives as they see fit, especially as it doesn't impact on our lives?!!

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By *otterandharlot OP Couple
over a year ago

Harlow

Don't get me wrong, no probs at all with sexual commerce.

Oh and mankey was just an attempt at politely dodging hygiene, logically more partners more risks so more chance of getting unlucky. So if they are forming a queue that would make people more mankey than our peak of a swing a week.

Our perspective is just that we wouldn't want to swing with peeps who mix the two.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Don't get me wrong, no probs at all with sexual commerce.

Our perspective is just that we wouldn't want to swing with peeps who mix the two."

Well not quite. If a person was meeting single guys through Fab or via escorting the risk factor is essentially the same.

The only definable difference is the money really.

Fully respect why you'd be hesitant to meet escorts though as there is definitely a stigma attached to prostitution. Problem is, how would you know somebody was an escort?

Our thoughts... theoretically, completely against prostitution. But the escorting scenario you describe above is essentially "paid swinging" as it's defined in the modern terms, not enforced prostitution (human trafficking etc.) which any sane person would be utterly against.

Technically, should singles be allowed on Fabswingers? Let's face it, the origin of swinging is "wife swapping". If singles were disallowed, then the issue wouldn't exist. Not saying do that, but playing devils advocate

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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oooooooo I hope they don't ban singles....they are our fun

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"oooooooo I hope they don't ban singles....they are our fun

Where do you find them? ^^ T has been looking for a girlfriend for a while!

Fab would be a poorer place without 'em for sure

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By *INKKKYMan
over a year ago

LIVERPOOL/ WIRRAL

"oooooooo I hope they don't ban singles....they are our fun

Where do you find them? ^^ T has been looking for a girlfriend for a while!

Fab would be a poorer place without 'em for sure

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Thank you for saying that! was begining to think yous were trying to get singles banned!

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"oooooooo I hope they don't ban singles....they are our fun

Where do you find them? ^^ T has been looking for a girlfriend for a while!

Fab would be a poorer place without 'em for sure

Thank you for saying that! was begining to think yous were trying to get singles banned!

No no... I was just saying that if you swingers have a problem with couples playing with singles regularly due to "risk", then logically it could be followed that swingers would prefer an exclusively "wife swapping" website.

We don't follow that argument ourselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"oooooooo I hope they don't ban singles....they are our fun

Where do you find them? ^^ T has been looking for a girlfriend for a while!

Fab would be a poorer place without 'em for sure

Thank you for saying that! was begining to think yous were trying to get singles banned!

No way... We love meeting single's

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By *ansue35Couple
over a year ago

yorkshire

"I believe so long as they aren't charging who they meet on here then it's fine.

Being a prostitute by profession tends to mean you don't get much choice in who you shag, so they may come on here for the real fun!

I am sure you will find that totally wrong. "They do not get a choice". am no prostitute, I have talked to several in the swinging scene that do this because they love sex. Yes they do have a choice to or not.

sue and ian

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

sorry but no way would i want to play with anyone selling sex on the side . the whole point was raised earlier that swingers choose who they play with ,those being paid dont .and sorry you cant tell me at times they have gone with a person they normally wouldnt of given time of day to purely coz the money was needed . doesnt make me feel comfortable trusting my health in that situation . and yes i am fully awear there are always health risks within swinging . but to me sleeping with "escorts " brings in a very unknown veriable which im not wishing to gamble on.sorry just my personal preference and opinion

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

"Escorting"? You mean "prostitution", let's not mince words. I know a woman who "escorts", but gets most snooty if I say she's a prostitute. There's no difference, just that an "escort" is the trendy name. I've yet to mention the word "whore" either!

Not that I'm saying that being a hooker is wrong, each to their own, and it's not against the law.

However, it's my humble opinion that when people start making money from sex, they change, for the worse.

For example, I also know a couple who started having parties some years ago. Great parties, well-attended, but soon enough they were having them every week, advertising them online, and inevitably charging an admission fee. Now, I've no problem if they had just been covering their costs, even making a little profit, but it soon became evident that it had become simply a business. The reason for having the parties became purely financial, rather than having great parties and ending up with a little extra for the holiday fund. A significant difference, that.

I definitely saw a change in these people, the sparkle went, and so did the standard of people attending (couples and women went free, surprise surprise). Rain or shine, week in week out, these parties were on, and they had to start paying women to attend to take care of the blokes who were there, expecting a shag.

They would still pop up at Chameleons or online, but you could guarantee that before too long they'd be promoting their parties. Not exactly handing out fliers, but making sure everyone knew they were having parties (and charging for an "invite"). If I were to receive an invite to a party, I'd like to think it's because of my devastatingly good looks, my super-massive cock and my razor-sharp wit, not simply because I might have £40 in my pocket for a ticket.

Personally, I prefer to meet people who are playing for the fun of it, for the thrill, the excitement, exclusively. If there's money involved anywhere down the line, it loses a vital ingredient, people become jaded very quickly. Whilst you could argue that people might be able to simply play for fun or for profit, I find that hard to accept, the lines are too easily blurred. Money sours just about all the good things in life, and will always cast a shadow, however segregated you try to keep it from what should be pursued for pleasure.

I'd rather not be playing with people who have to think whether they were on-duty or off-duty whilst having sex.

Simply put, business and pleasure should never be mixed.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

Oh ffs... deleted the above thinking it was a double post... was a mini bloody essay too ^^

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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lol sorry for laughing....although I would have not been laughing if I had done it lol

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

sorry but where you are bringing money into it you loose any aspect of choice of sexual partner. they are being paid for a service full stop. men and women pay the inderviduals for sex and you can tell me they turn the people or the money down. after all its just a job to them ! what does it matter who they get paid by as long as they get paid ??i cant see them picking and choosing if this is their income !.

going back to wolfs post ..did i read right ....its not illeagal ???? well ermm yes it is !! any payment for sex is ! ill re read to make sure ive not pick it up wrong though lol

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"oooooooo I hope they don't ban singles....they are our fun

Where do you find them? ^^ T has been looking for a girlfriend for a while!

Fab would be a poorer place without 'em for sure

Ah the difference is, we look for men not girls........girls are a bit more elusive

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

lol i did read it right ...sorry wolf but being a hooker is VERY MUCH AGAINST THE LAW lol

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"oooooooo I hope they don't ban singles....they are our fun

Where do you find them? ^^ T has been looking for a girlfriend for a while!

Fab would be a poorer place without 'em for sure

Ah the difference is, we look for men not girls........girls are a bit more elusive

Damn right ^^

Well, guess it's time to broaden our horizons...

We'll look for single guys with man breasts who can tuck it between the legs

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"lol i did read it right ...sorry wolf but being a hooker is VERY MUCH AGAINST THE LAW lol

It's actually not in the sense of this subject. It's only illegal to solicit sex on the streets as far as I understand it. Most of the laws punish the "punters" rather than the prostitute anyway.

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

It's actually not in the sense of this subject. It's only illegal to solicit sex "

Yep, correct. It's not the selling, it's the offering to sell/buy which is unlawful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"sorry but where you are bringing money into it you loose any aspect of choice of sexual partner. they are being paid for a service full stop. men and women pay the inderviduals for sex and you can tell me they turn the people or the money down. after all its just a job to them ! what does it matter who they get paid by as long as they get paid ??i cant see them picking and choosing if this is their income !.

going back to wolfs post ..did i read right ....its not illeagal ???? well ermm yes it is !! any payment for sex is ! ill re read to make sure ive not pick it up wrong though lol

It is not illegal to charge for sex in your own homeits when someone decides to open a brothel or walikng the streets it becomes illegal. What goes on between consenting adults is up to them and if they doing it as a couple and enjoying it then why not a lot of couples just do cam shows on aw without meeting people as extra income and yes you do get to choose who your going to meet the difference is that they are getting paid for it.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

sorry if the person is caught weather its on street corner or in a hotel room acepting money for sex its still against the law .

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

surely having streams of ppl at your home payng for sex makes that basically a brothal ?? im pretty sure the decencey laws would have summit to say about that

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

To both points, accepting money for "companionship" is not against the law. Once in the other persons companionship, two adults can do whatever the hell they like.

What IS against the law is soliciting cash for the sole purpose of sex. Which is why the police have to get people on tape when travelling the red light areas for sex, because simply allowing a prostitute into your car isn't illegal unless the intent is proven.

Also, it's completely legal for anyone to invite anyone into their home for sex. The cash factor is secondary. Think of it this way, what if someone went round to their fuck buddy girlfriend, the man lent her a fiver, then they had sex - is that illegal? Of course not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

England and Wales

In England and Wales:

it is illegal to pay for sexual services “of a prostitute subjected to force”, which is a strict liability offense (since spring 2010, under the Policing and Crime Act 2009)

for a "prostitute" to loiter or conduct solicitation in a street or public place is illegal, therefore outlawing street prostitution

it is also illegal for a potential client to solicit in a public place, or solicit from a motor vehicle ("kerb crawling").

keeping a brothel is illegal (It is an offence for a person to keep, or to manage, or act or assist in the management of, a brothel to which people resort for practices involving prostitution [5]); a brothel is a premises where two or more prostitutes work.

controlling prostitution for gain is an offence, banning pimping

escort agencies are illegal where the agency is controlling the escorts.

a prostitute is defined by the Sexual Offences Act 2003 as a someone who has offered or provided sexual services to another person in return for any financial arrangement on at least one occasion. This definition replaces the previous definition of a common prostitute.

working as a prostitute in private is legal, as is working as an outcall escort.

child prostitution is specifically illegal for the person paying (where child is defined as below 18).

The last offence replaced the similar "living on earnings of prostitution" under the Sexual Offences Act 1956

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

thats what these ppl are doing they are get wanting money for the purpose of having sex with the person !

as for your comparision of two fbs meets and one of them leading the other a fiver ... errmm they arent exchanging money purely to have sex are they !! lol so ur point kinda mute lol

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"thats what these ppl are doing they are get wanting money for the purpose of having sex with the person !

as for your comparision of two fbs meets and one of them leading the other a fiver ... errmm they arent exchanging money purely to have sex are they !! lol so ur point kinda mute lol

It's not mute at all, the point is you can't prove cash changed hands. The person in both instances could be argued to have entered the home for ANY reason. Even if they're caught having sex, anyone could successfully argue that two adults both gave consent to have sex.

You've got to remember what law is - it's all about the burden of proof.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It states working as a prositute in private or escorting outcalls is perfectlly legal. Again its up to consenting adults what they do. Not up to us to judge and I would say its much safer working as a couple than it is a single girl on her own

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"sorry if the person is caught weather its on street corner or in a hotel room acepting money for sex its still against the law ."

No, its not...It is not illegal to charge for sex in your own home. Hence why if you call up one of the numbers in the paper, go round and its someone working in their own home OR only one woman in the house, it is absolutely not illegal. As already stated, although to most people its morally wrong, street prostitution is a bit more of a grey area as its the the act of offering sex for money and the act of accepting sex for money that is illegal. Its not illegal to stand on a street corner. Thats why the police generally arrest the guy kerb-crawing in the car, not the woman standing outside.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

P.S. None of this is personal experience of course!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i use to work at the stables and one of my employers clients who owned a horse there is in the police.

I can't remember how we got into the subject but she did tell me this

"Escorting is not ilegal." Or words to the same effect.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

ok confused here, its illegal to solisit money in exchange for sex but its perfectly ok to be a prositute in private???? and prositute is definded as offering sexual favours for money..... ermm totally lost lol !!! at end of day paying for sex is prositution and if you got caught paying for sex or accepting money for sex police can arrest u .

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"thats what these ppl are doing they are get wanting money for the purpose of having sex with the person !

as for your comparision of two fbs meets and one of them leading the other a fiver ... errmm they arent exchanging money purely to have sex are they !! lol so ur point kinda mute lol

You've got to remember what law is - it's all about the burden of proof."

yes law is dependent on proving someone has commited a said offence . however you were making a comparasion not building a legal case lol. if two fuck buddies meet they arent doing it after agreeing a money value to have sex are they .so there for has nothing to do with this at all as we are talking prositution...selling sex ..which isnt anything to do with them meeting for a shag and one of them leaning the other a fiver lol

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"thats what these ppl are doing they are get wanting money for the purpose of having sex with the person !

as for your comparision of two fbs meets and one of them leading the other a fiver ... errmm they arent exchanging money purely to have sex are they !! lol so ur point kinda mute lol

You've got to remember what law is - it's all about the burden of proof.

It's called a comparison ^^ It's comparing the two situations and explaining why, legally, they're pretty much identical. Because, legally, the escort could argue the "fuck buddy" case without breaking a sweat.

Essentially, no law is broken via escorting at all and can never be broken - unless the escort decides to walk on the streets.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"ok confused here, its illegal to solisit money in exchange for sex but its perfectly ok to be a prositute in private???? and prositute is definded as offering sexual favours for money..... ermm totally lost lol !!! at end of day paying for sex is prositution and if you got caught paying for sex or accepting money for sex police can arrest u ."

OK, this is how it is.

The law defines soliciting sex in public as illegal. The purpose of the law in this area is to stop the nuisance value of "hawkers" on the public streets.

As such, it is illegal to offer sex on the streets or in a publicly viewable place (which also includes seductively dancing in windows and inviting men inside, as that is defined as public soliciting).

Also it is illegal to publically solicit sex for money. This applies to men driving around red light districts.

Now comes the legal bit - it's perfectly legal to agree to spend time in someone elses company. This is because it would be impossible to enforce the law otherwise. If somebody is invited into anybody elses property, then sex (whether cash is exchanged or not) is legal (because the cash exchange is deemed a "donation" of sorts and not exclusive to sex). In fact, as long as no criminal activity is taking place, anyone can invite anyone into their own home.

It doesn't matter if you term the "escort" as a prostitute, the fact is they aren't in the eyes of the law. Yes, obviously, they're getting money for sex. But legally it's fine and, even if it was illegal, would be impossible to prove.

Imagine if every time a boyfriend bought a gift for his girlfriend, he had to prove he wasn't doing it to solicit sex from a woman? ^^ That's why escorting is completely legal.

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By *haven767Man
over a year ago

plymouth

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By *haven767Man
over a year ago

plymouth

read all above first!!!

Party my house you are all invited, bring lots of gifts, money and booze!! LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"sorry if the person is caught weather its on street corner or in a hotel room acepting money for sex its still against the law ."

No it isn't.

It could be deemed illegal if they sp wish to make it that way, but not always illegal.

Soliciting is illegal, yet accepting money or paying for sex actually isn't illegal, not if there is not a third party earning from it, and even then it's only the third party that is illegal, the one earning and the one paying are not committing a crime by doing so.

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By *haven767Man
over a year ago

plymouth

same as before but all cheques made out to me!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"thats what these ppl are doing they are get wanting money for the purpose of having sex with the person !

as for your comparision of two fbs meets and one of them leading the other a fiver ... errmm they arent exchanging money purely to have sex are they !! lol so ur point kinda mute lol

Does it really make such a difference on the reasons why they have sex? it's still sex after all.

Although personally I couldn't get a thrill from paying for it, would be too bothered the lady concerned would be thinking 'I wish he'd hurry up', I still don't see there being a lot of difference other than in the mind in selling/buying sex or giving it away for free.

either way much of society frowns upon both practices.

I used to work on the doors of a 'massage parlour' and most of the ladies there were very decent indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OK, this is how it is.

The law defines soliciting sex in public as illegal. The purpose of the law in this area is to stop the nuisance value of "hawkers" on the public streets.

Also it is illegal to publically solicit sex for money. This applies to men driving around red light districts.

Imagine if every time a boyfriend bought a gift for his girlfriend, he had to prove he wasn't doing it to solicit sex from a woman? ^^ That's why escorting is completely legal."

Just to add, soliciting is also illegal over the internet, advertising on sites such as the one OP mentioned and parlour sites too.

Just depends on the mood of the police.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

Shagaloony,

The escorts on that site are perfectly legal as they are not soliciting in a public place and are offering companionship, with whatever happens afterwards "the domain of two (or more) consenting adults."

A lot of misunderstanding here... I studied Law - you've got to be "physically" and "publicly" soliciting sex undisputably. As in, caught on tape asking or offering for a specific sexual act for a specific amount of money, or offering sexual services via a leaflet placed in public streets (I'm not even sure if that's a criminal offence actually, or just a public order one.)

This is why there is a difference in the terminology of escort and prostitute, even if there's negligible difference in what they actually do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shagaloony,

This is why there is a difference in the terminology of escort and prostitute, even if there's negligible difference in what they actually do!"

A single escort offering services via the net working alone is legal, you are quite right, however, a parlour or more than one lady offering services working together is illegal, even over the internet.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Shagaloony,

This is why there is a difference in the terminology of escort and prostitute, even if there's negligible difference in what they actually do!

Ahhh that's true - it's classed as physical exploitation and the advertisement of criminal activity.

Which means it's illegal because the institution its advertising is illegal. e.g. you can't advertising selling heroin over the internet because the heroin itself is illegal!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shagaloony,

This is why there is a difference in the terminology of escort and prostitute, even if there's negligible difference in what they actually do!

Ahhh that's true - it's classed as physical exploitation and the advertisement of criminal activity.

Which means it's illegal because the institution its advertising is illegal. e.g. you can't advertising selling heroin over the internet because the heroin itself is illegal!"

also, the companionship thing, doesn't stand when advertising with certain sexual services are ticked.

The police do tend to leave alone, unless they want you for something else, then they will tear at anything.

Not going into it too much, but I worked the doors (as I've already said) for a friend of a friend, and although his parlour site is no different to many other parlour sites, the police used it as evidence, even though it wasn't that side they wanted him for, and even though they wasn't even trying for control of these ladies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to add, soliciting is also illegal over the internet, advertising on sites such as the one OP mentioned and parlour sites too.

Just depends on the mood of the police.

Just to add, Advertising on the internet is not illegal nor are those types of sites illegal on the internet.

As someone who owns and runs such a site then I think I can say 100% with authority that the police know of such sites and accept them as they do with newspapers advertising such services. No laws are being broken"

Advertising specific sexual services can end the owner of the site in a very lot of trouble.

Read my post straight after yours I've just quoted.

The general rules are

No soliciting and no third party earning from it.

If the police so want to get you they will, by using the web info as proof and if you earn from others working then you're classed as a third party.

example, if the police raided a massage parlour, the working girls are not illegal (so long as legal citizens and at least 18), but the owner and even the receptionist can be charged.

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over a year ago

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Just a reminder....mentioning you are an escort or running an escort site isn't allowed x

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Just a reminder....mentioning you are an escort or running an escort site isn't allowed x"

You has nice boobs

*Snigger*

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a reminder....mentioning you are an escort or running an escort site isn't allowed x

You has nice boobs

*Snigger*

Yeah, I agree, how much for a feel?.

Don't ban me, I'm being light hearted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a reminder....mentioning you are an escort or running an escort site isn't allowed x

You has nice boobs

*Snigger*

Yeah, I agree, how much for a feel?.

Don't ban me, I'm being light hearted.

there is a fine line between avoiding the line and pushing for the line

haha

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Just a reminder....mentioning you are an escort or running an escort site isn't allowed x

You has nice boobs

*Snigger*

Thankyou

lol

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Just a reminder....mentioning you are an escort or running an escort site isn't allowed x

You has nice boobs

*Snigger*

Yeah, I agree, how much for a feel?.

Don't ban me, I'm being light hearted.

Depends on how big a feel and wether you play at hooting or not?

( don't ban me HPC, was kidding too )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a reminder....mentioning you are an escort or running an escort site isn't allowed x

You has nice boobs

*Snigger*

Yeah, I agree, how much for a feel?.

Don't ban me, I'm being light hearted.

Depends on how big a feel and wether you play at hooting or not?

( don't ban me HPC, was kidding too )

oh gawd, she's not around is she?

I heard how bad HPC is.

Brb, gotta swap my head to my sucking up head.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont see wat its gotta do with ppl

on here if ppl are swinging on here

an as some ppl put it prostituting else

where..id say its excorting an nothing

2 do with on here an nothing 2 do with

anyone on here either xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

fucking hell, this has to be the best post on here! Sensible adult discussion, points of law discussed, mild flirting! Wow!

Now, who wants to buy some dodgy herion off one of my ho's online?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All i can say from my Point of view is that in Germany prostitutes are Legal and very well controled by the law as in health and everything else what i find so funny is that some ppl on here having a fit about somebody being an escort as far as iam concernt everybody to there own and i do know some Male blk and wht that are on that site aslong as they dont ask for money on here should be no problem.And if you think about it anybody who goes to a swingers club and pays there entrance fee of whatever the amount what are they Paying for and iam sure its not just for the view

Just a thought here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

actually, despite my previous attempt at humour, was thinking the same with clubs!

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

Swingers clubs are very different to massage parlours or whatever in that they don't actually charge for the sexual activities indoors - they charge for use of facilities. Which means they aren't profiting on the "work" of the individual, they are profiting on the use of the premises in much the same way as a nightclub will charge entry for people coming in to dance. Just replace "dance" with "fuck" and you should understand it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So my advice for what its worse to the OP is the next time you get or sent an e-mail to anybody ask first if they on an escord site.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes but most swinger clubs employ fluffer girls who look good to be there. And not sure if its still true but the retro club has quite a few ti girls they use for their bukkakae nights and when making films.

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over a year ago

"Swingers clubs are very different to massage parlours or whatever in that they don't actually charge for the sexual activities indoors - they charge for use of facilities. Which means they aren't profiting on the "work" of the individual, they are profiting on the use of the premises in much the same way as a nightclub will charge entry for people coming in to dance. Just replace "dance" with "fuck" and you should understand it

Iam sure a singel Man would pay £30 to £40 to use the jacuzzi,Steamroom,sauna and not expect or hope for anything else as do couples aswell so it is about the same me thinks

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

"Iam sure a singel Man would pay £30 to £40 to use the jacuzzi,Steamroom,sauna and not expect or hope for anything else as do couples aswell so it is about the same me thinks

Of course we do, well some of us anyway, certainly in Chameleons. It's the fuckwits who go there expecting a shag because they have paid their entry fee that spoil it, they are like jackals. I've lost count of the times I've walked out of that place at the end of the night having spent the whole time in those facilities, found no-one to play with. As much as I hate that, I wouldn't want to go anywhere there are hookers making sure every bloke leaves satisfied.

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over a year ago

"Yes but most swinger clubs employ fluffer girls who look good to be there. And not sure if its still true but the retro club has quite a few ti girls they use for their bukkakae nights and when making films."

bukkakae. thats extreme. where is this?

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

excuse my ignorance but isn't escorting and prostitution two separate employments ?

escorts in my understanding are men or women who are paid to provide company for people to go to shows or dinner dates who don't have someone who would accompany them otherwise

A prostitute on the other hand is a person who ply's sexual favours in return for a cash benefit

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"excuse my ignorance but isn't escorting and prostitution two separate employments ?

escorts in my understanding are men or women who are paid to provide company for people to go to shows or dinner dates who don't have someone who would accompany them otherwise

A prostitute on the other hand is a person who ply's sexual favours in return for a cash benefit "

Yes, but the escort in the traditional sense barely exists anymore, except in the very upper echelons of society.

"Common" escorts nowadays are so interlinked to sex as to be exactly the same as a prostitute.

In regards to "fluffer girls" at swinger clubs, never heard of them. However, once again I assume these are used in the same way "staged" dancers are at nightclubs. If they have sex with the clientele it's their business, but legally they aren't hired for that purpose so everything would be above board.

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

"excuse my ignorance but isn't escorting and prostitution two separate employments ? "

Yes, that's the literal definition, but these days "escorts" don't escort you anywhere. I dare say that true platonic escorts are pretty pissed off that their profession has been hijacked by whores.

I suppose it's the same with "hostesses". I know several well-bred, beautiful women who do this, and they are absolutely above board and legit. Their job, for a large corporate entertainment company, is to look pretty and fetch drinks, and make sure that pissed businessmen get back on the coach at conferences, nothing more. Were anyone to even suggest they were to indulge in any "executive relief", I can assure you there would be teeth and blood everywhere. Their employer does things like Royal Garden Parties, not Stag Parties or "Gentlemens' Evenings".

Same also for a masseuse. Do you raise your eyebrow if you hear a woman gives massages? What's the first thing that goes through your mind? Happy Endings? Oh, OK, maybe that's just me then.

Sex worker, escort, working girl, courtesan, harlot, hostess, hussy, paramour, floozy, slattern, tart, streetwalker, doxy, scarlet woman, whore, hooker, call her what you will, they are all words, some more socially acceptable than others, for the same thing.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

Utterly stunned that someone who participates in casual sex with strangers as a swinger would show such venemous hatred towards escorts as TheWolf does, given it's a stones throw away from swinging - where we commonly hate the terms thrown at us by the media.

"Throwing stones in glass houses" springs to mind!

There are differences between escorts and "street walkers", the same as theres a difference between that of a "safe sex" swinger and a "bareback" swinger.

I can tell you now for a fact I'd rather have sex with a safe sex escort than a bareback swinger. MUCH prefer in fact.

No matter what you say, the only marked difference between an escort and a swinger is that an escort charges. There's no other difference whatsoever. I've searched my mind for one and can't find a single differential factor other than the cash...

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

P.S.

It might sound above that I'm defending prostitution but I'm not. I think that it would eventually destroy all of the fun you get from swinging because it becomes business. But I really do have to object to the labelling of escorts basically as "scum" on a swingers site by a swinger!

If people can keep the enjoyment of casual sex whilst charging for it, I actually don't see why they shouldn't. However, when women are forced into prostitution, it's a whole different story.

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By *ynonvalleyboyMan
over a year ago

merthyr

i have found 2 women i have messaged are workinga s escorts, i dont have a problem with them doing it but al least say the are escorts,

it is hard enough for single blokes to get a meet never mind expecting to pay for it

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"Throwing stones in glass houses" springs to mind!

There are differences between escorts and "street walkers", the same as theres a difference between that of a "safe sex" swinger and a "bareback" swinger.

I can tell you now for a fact I'd rather have sex with a safe sex escort than a bareback swinger. MUCH prefer in fact.

totally take onboard your comment about the safe sex .i do however take umbrige at being compared to a prositute/escort (lets be totally honest its just a different name for the same thing as both can offer sex for money which by defintion IS prositutuion as noted earlier )!!i think most swingers wouldnt be happy with ur comparision either !!! escorts /prostitutes are paid for a service so therefore have no choice then who they are sleeping with . im not saying there may not be the rare occasion they turn the oppertunity down but you cant tell me they havent slept with ppl they normally wouldnt of gone with purely because they have get bills to pay !! swingers CHOOSE who they wish to sleep with and i think most swingers are very particular who they get intimate with and let into their relationship if married!that seletion isnt there with hookers/escorts ,after all to them they are running a business and who turns away business all the time !!!i cant see them turning a person down because they werent their type or didnt feel a connection with them which i certainly have done .

also due to the nature of their "work " i would imagion they would be sleeping with a hell of alot more ppl then swinger would ! how often do you hear swingers say they find meeting decent folks difficult and hardly have any meets !

so i think there are marked differences between swingers and hookers and its very demeaning to say only differece to us being prositutes is we dont get paid !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and what about escorts that do bareback with punters but list safe sex as swingers? It happens!

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

works boths ways. theres swingers that note safe sex only but wanna play bareback any chance they get . only person you can be sure practises safe sex is yourself im afraid !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah, but as stated previously, surely that is far far worse! I don't really have an issue if someone works as an escort, but bb escorting and swinging is very dangerous for potential playmates!

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

ANYONE be it swinger or hooker if you dont play safe then of course its dangerous !think everyone would agree safe sex only with who ever you meet ! but theres no garentees with anyone you play with just coz they said they only play safe that is the case.as i said only person you can garentee practises safe sex is yourself ,you just have to take the other persons word on it .so who you trust and believe is your own indervidual call .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

totally agree with that! anyway, sorry to go off topic!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

much respect for being honest!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hey, however you do it, and the fact you are getting checks, fair play to ya. And the honesty thing is so comendable. Wouldnt stop me playing, as long as when I got there they didnt demand cash!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I take offence at the statement that swinging is akin to prostitution...the only difference being the exchange of money. In my philosophy of swinging..VERY UNTRUE.

Swinging and prostitution...should the lines between the two become blurred..I will stop swinging.

And why to uproar and Wolf's extensive vocabulary to describe prostitutes/escorts..all the queen's english and "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet".

I personally feel that once the sordid topic of coin...becomes involved in swinging.. it does change the nature of the exchanges between people and often the nature of the people involved.

Swinging ..to me has been more akin to the "free Love" ethos of the late 60s...and find it distasteful that it may be becoming more involved with the "sex industry"...than the "Free love and Peace" bubble ..I obviously live in...and prefer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And when I have needed extra money I have worked 3 jobs..( non of them sex industry related I add)..which I did for 3 years to put my daughter through uni.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And when I have needed extra money I have worked 3 jobs..( non of them sex industry related I add)..which I did for 3 years to put my daughter through uni.

Its called choice,who are we to slate anyone who decides to accept money for sex???

I dont agree with what wolf said, i think the words that he used were harsh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and I can't talk, I am just a whore to the construction industry (freelance engineer)!!

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over a year ago

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A reminder........if you keep posting comments about you being an Escort/ prostitute then you will look like you are advertising yourself, and will be banned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wasnt!!!!!! It was a joke for those in construction!

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over a year ago

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Then my post won't apply to you, more to the posts I removed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cant see a problem at all with it myself

As long as they keep it off the site

After all we have seen lawyers and estate agents in the past lol xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And when I have needed extra money I have worked 3 jobs..( non of them sex industry related I add)..which I did for 3 years to put my daughter through uni.

Its called choice,who are we to slate anyone who decides to accept money for sex???

I dont agree with what wolf said, i think the words that he used were harsh."

I agree its all about choice...My choice is it have my philosophy about swinging..its only my philosophy..and like I said my choice to stop swinging if its becoming an extention of the sex industry...

What others do is their choice..if they choose to be prositutes thats up to them...prostitution and swinging are two very different things in my mind..

Call it any fancy name you like..taking money for sex makes you a prostitute...

To me if you are a drugged up crack whore standing on a street corner..or an "escort"...same thing to me just a different venue..

But I have more empathy and understanding for the drug addicted one ...than the one dressing it up in the "escort"..wrapping paper..personal opinion..my choice to have it.

Or do we all have to tow the party line and agree to everything..or accept everything because one of our labels is a "swinger".

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"I take offence at the statement that swinging is akin to prostitution...the only difference being the exchange of money. In my philosophy of swinging..VERY UNTRUE.

Swinging and prostitution...should the lines between the two become blurred..I will stop swinging.

And why to uproar and Wolf's extensive vocabulary to describe prostitutes/escorts..all the queen's english and "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet".

I personally feel that once the sordid topic of coin...becomes involved in swinging.. it does change the nature of the exchanges between people and often the nature of the people involved.

I appreciate what your saying, but at the end of the day it's this.

Casual sex with strangers you've never met = Swinging.

Casual sex with strangers you've never met plus charging for it = Escorting.

That's the meat and bones of it. Especially for girls who meet guys during swinging it's identical to escorting in every way except for the monetary charge.

Let's face it - as swingers, we look at advertisements of other swingers, we make contact, we arrange a meeting, we have sex, we go back to our respective homes. That's how it is!

But the monetary charge is a big difference in terms of the "mentality" between the two, which can vaguely be defined as "business vs. pleasure" - this is perfectly true, and I feel that is the point you are making. The two aren't mixed, but have physical similarities. And knowing many swingers who are absolutely great people, I find it a bit disturbing to label someone as scum for being an escort if it is essentially the same thing we all do on here with the only added variable being money.

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over a year ago

"I take offence at the statement that swinging is akin to prostitution...the only difference being the exchange of money. In my philosophy of swinging..VERY UNTRUE.

Swinging and prostitution...should the lines between the two become blurred..I will stop swinging.

And why to uproar and Wolf's extensive vocabulary to describe prostitutes/escorts..all the queen's english and "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet".

I personally feel that once the sordid topic of coin...becomes involved in swinging.. it does change the nature of the exchanges between people and often the nature of the people involved.

I appreciate what your saying, but at the end of the day it's this.

Casual sex with strangers you've never met = Swinging.

Casual sex with strangers you've never met plus charging for it = Escorting.

That's the meat and bones of it. Especially for girls who meet guys during swinging it's identical to escorting in every way except for the monetary charge.

Let's face it - as swingers, we look at advertisements of other swingers, we make contact, we arrange a meeting, we have sex, we go back to our respective homes. That's how it is!

I accept the arguement you put forward...I will address some points.....

How I swing...very very rarely meet strangers for casual sex..does nothing for me ..never did.

Have a group of friends who I have ongoing sexual relationships with..men and women.

We spend long lengths of time in each others company..often weekends...and often a large group of us..

We eat together..go shopping..travel about ..attend parties and clubs together.

Ongoing relationships like this are how I swing...and to me are essentially what the "swinging Lifestyle" are all about...so maybe you can appreciate why I feel that swinging and prostitution are 2 very separate subjects..given my own personal philosophy of swinging...

Prostitutes..were did I say they were scum...???

Prostitutes are people who get paid for sex..simple...call yourself whatever more palatable name you like...

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By *rPandSlutCouple
over a year ago

wakefield

I think that some people who have written have blown this totally out of proportion. With regards to prostitutes or escorts or whatever you want to call them, i dont think most people realise that most are alot safer than swingers with regards to protecting themselves against diseases and etc!

It's not like the old days where women would stand on street corners and jump in someones car and just fuck him for a tenner without a condom!

Also someone mentioned swinging clubs, so you're not telling me that the club owner isn't making a profit just cause they know horny couples, females and males will go to their premises for a fuck! They are selling sex! You go there for sex! maybe im wrong! Surely thats similar to prostituting yourself it's just you don't make anything the club does! Thats just my opinion!

Oh and with regards to people who think that escorts are little whores and sluts and whatever, whilst you have a right to your opinion i think you ought have a rethink cause at the end of the day we are all swingers! We fuck strangers. Ye we make friends with it, but escorts could make friends with clients too! In my opinion the escorts are clued up! Getting money for something they enjoy, and having swinging as an extra little pleasure. I dont see what the problem is! At the end of the day it's their life! Their choice.

Anyway we've gotta do what we've gotta do to pay bills and etc! Or would us taxpayers rather the girls/couples sit at home whilst being payed dole money by us?!?!?

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over a year ago

At the end of the day society frowns on both

People are individuals and as long as the main laws are not broken then I don't give a shit who does what

I am in no position to judge anyone

Why? Cause at the finish of it I have never lived anyone elses life

We all have choice in this life and untill some people realise that they do not have a divine right to critisise others and that they should just live their own lives and keep to their own buissness then the world will carry on in the sad way it does xx

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over a year ago

"I think that some people who have written have blown this totally out of proportion. With regards to prostitutes or escorts or whatever you want to call them, i dont think most people realise that most are alot safer than swingers with regards to protecting themselves against diseases and etc!

That the hole point about this it is everybody own choice in whatever you are doing.And thank you somebody finally has got the message about swingers club I THANK YOU

It's not like the old days where women would stand on street corners and jump in someones car and just fuck him for a tenner without a condom!

Anyway we've gotta do what we've gotta do to pay bills and etc! Or would us taxpayers rather the girls/couples sit at home whilst being payed dole money by us?!?!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would like to ask this question ... If you meet a couple ( a real couple not fb's) and you later find out that the girl of that couple is an "escort" openly advertising sex for payment on an adult site (not fab) ... would it bother you and do you think you should have been told prior to meeting them.

No judgements here just interested in people responses xxx

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Couldn't care less, but then all the people I know who do both, keep work and play totaly seperate.

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By *rPandSlutCouple
over a year ago

wakefield

For a start off i wouldn't ask what people did for a living! All i am interested in is the fact of whether they practice safe sex! It would be absolutely nothing to do with me what they do behind closed doors!

I see it as being upto my own judgement if i find them hygienic and nice people then we will play if they see us as the same! As i said a persons work is their business no-one elses!

Most women and couples who do escort have another job anyway. So most don't even mention it to people they are swinging, but lets face it! Why should they??? I'm sure other swingers don't give them the write up on who they swung with before they met them! x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For a start off i wouldn't ask what people did for a living! All i am interested in is the fact of whether they practice safe sex! It would be absolutely nothing to do with me what they do behind closed doors!

I see it as being upto my own judgement if i find them hygienic and nice people then we will play if they see us as the same! As i said a persons work is their business no-one elses!

I agree .... the safe sex thing was the point I was thinking of. I would certainly want to know if the girl concerned was a bit haphazard while escorting that's for sure x

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By *rPandSlutCouple
over a year ago

wakefield

its the usual thing isnt it.... because they find out someone escorts they blow things out of proprtion! so long as there is safe sex! and evry1 is having fun. whats the problem? Being an escort does not in anyway change a persons personality!

so long as business and pleasure are kept seperate... there should be no problems! x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so long as business and pleasure are kept seperate... there should be no problems! x"

Again ... I agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Throwing stones in glass houses" springs to mind!

There are differences between escorts and "street walkers", the same as theres a difference between that of a "safe sex" swinger and a "bareback" swinger.

I can tell you now for a fact I'd rather have sex with a safe sex escort than a bareback swinger. MUCH prefer in fact.

so i think there are marked differences between swingers and hookers and its very demeaning to say only differece to us being prositutes is we dont get paid !!! "

Casual sex is casual sex, whether cash is exchanged or not.

This big issue you have of working girls sleeping with those they may not normally do, I'm not sure why it's such an issue. I imagine those guys are the ones that don't get so much casual sex unlike the ones that are fancied by many.

again, casual sex is casual sex, whether or not you fancy the pants off the person you are casually having sex with or paying/being paid to do so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And when I have needed extra money I have worked 3 jobs..( non of them sex industry related I add)..which I did for 3 years to put my daughter through uni.

Its called choice,who are we to slate anyone who decides to accept money for sex???

I dont agree with what wolf said, i think the words that he used were harsh."

I think wolf hates having to pay for it.

I agree, if a lady feels her only option to feed her kids etc is to work in this industry then I have respect for her, however not the ones that work to feed their drug habit, but that's just me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What I gather here is, some people believe it's ok to have casual sex with strangers for your own enjoyment, but not to have casual sex with strangers for their pleasure, is that right?.

So, does it boil down to selfishness?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To me if you are a drugged up crack whore standing on a street corner..or an "escort"...same thing to me just a different venue.."

So, we swingers here, are we free working prostitutes then?.

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Like I've said a few times, personally I couldn't pay for it, I like to believe the lady I 'play' with is happy to do so and not do so for the cash, But, there is very little difference in it all, just state of mind, shagging a stranger is shagging a stranger.

Now, who's up for a FREE shag then, I promise I wont charge.

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over a year ago

Sorry about all the posts from me one after another, you buggers keep on posting whilst I'm not around to read it, so I'm playing catch up.

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By *onny BonesMan
over a year ago

a block away from heaven

Not my business what someone does in their spare time or for work. As long as they are like minded genuine swingers.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

sorry but swinging is not prostitution with out the pay off !!!

im very selective who i meet and take time getting to know that person .i ensure there is a connection and mutal interests before taking thing any further .there has to be a friendship and type of relationship . i cant see any hooker being interested in any personal details of their clients as long as they produce the money they are garenteed a shag !

as for the ppl saying well its better then collecting dole ....theres things called job centres !!! sorry but id work 2 or three jobs to pay my bills (which lot of folks have to! ) rather then sell meyself to just make a fast buck .sorry but they just see it as an easy way to make quick cash with as lil effort as possible no matter how moral you wanna make it look .

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

"Utterly stunned that someone who participates in casual sex with strangers as a swinger would show such venemous hatred towards escorts as TheWolf does, given it's a stones throw away from swinging - where we commonly hate the terms thrown at us by the media.

"Throwing stones in glass houses" springs to mind!

There are differences between escorts and "street walkers", the same as theres a difference between that of a "safe sex" swinger and a "bareback" swinger.

I can tell you now for a fact I'd rather have sex with a safe sex escort than a bareback swinger. MUCH prefer in fact.

Whoa there, where did I say that I hated prostitutes/escorts? I think you need to re-read my posts again and digest what I'm saying.

I was expressing my discomfort at the blurring of lines between swinging and prostitution, from the way it would, IMHO, alter the ATTITUDE of the person involved. Nothing to do with personal hygeine, nothing to do with how anyone earns their keep.

It's not even anything to do with answering an ad and being asked for payment to have sex with that person. That's not happened to me, and I seriously doubt I'd even consider paying for it (never have, hopefully never will, sorry shagaloony!), but that's not what the OP was about. It was about people who swing in parallel with being a prostitute. The OP didn't mention that they were asked to pay, just that they found out their playmates were also prostitutes, and their discomfort with that.

Perhaps I'm way out of step here, I like to have a little cerebral connection with anyone I play with, their attitude is important to me. Physical attraction is important, obviously, but I'm the kind of sad bastard that likes to have a chat and a laugh before and maybe afterwards too (hopefully before Round 2), perhaps I'm a little soft? Heee-eeey, does that mean that people who don't have such silly standards as mine are "hardened swingers"? I might be onto something there, eh?

Anyway, at least Cheekycurves, along with the OP, is on the same kind of wavelength, can see what the MORAL issue is here (hint, it's nothing to do with STI's or career choices).

Oh, and finally, those that are offended by my use of various terms for the word "prostitute", some common, some archaic, well, that just demonstrates my point. Some people were obviously needled by the terms used. I can't see why, none of them were judgemental, pre-fixed with "dirty" or "nasty", I think it demonstrates that society will always be uncomfortable with prostitution.

For me, if my neighbour is a "INSERT TERM OF CHOICE HERE",she does what she has to do to get by, and I'm sure she's filling out a tax form, so best of luck to her. It doesn't bother me, nor does it bother me whether she calls herself a prossie, a courtesan, or a midnight lady, what's in a name?

Actually, my other neighbour is a VAT inspector, I know which one I'll not be inviting for a barbeque this Summer.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Yes, that's the literal definition, but these days "escorts" don't escort you anywhere. I dare say that true platonic escorts are pretty pissed off that their profession has been hijacked by whores.

Same also for a masseuse. Do you raise your eyebrow if you hear a woman gives massages? What's the first thing that goes through your mind? Happy Endings? Oh, OK, maybe that's just me then.

Just quoting that because, to me, there's a definite level of hostility there. The "hijacked by whores" line in particular.

And sorry, an "escort" and a "crack whore" are definitely two different things. Same with "street walker". I'm sure escorts are often a world away from sex for drug purchasing and walking around cold streets in miniskirts. And that's also the definition that is linked to the word "whore".

Another post above about swingers being nothing like escorts... again, we physically are. Being brutal about it, we have sex with strangers. It's as simple as that - it's a massive, massive "physical" similarity. "Emotionally", they're very different of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"sorry but swinging is not prostitution with out the pay off !!!

If it makes you feel better to believe that casual sex your way is so much more high brow, then you keep on telling yourself that.

The News of the World would still have a field day reporting on your hobby as it would a prostitutes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"sorry but swinging is not prostitution with out the pay off !!!

I wounder if you can answer this question how do you know what an escord does?i dont know So for all i know they dont just meet anybody for sex they mind have a type,race or age they wont go with so i would never judge we all have a choice in live and who am i to judge anybody.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anybody know the 2 oldes profession in the world?ANYBODY

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anybody know the 2 oldes profession in the world?ANYBODY"

artists and surveyors

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By *ansue35Couple
over a year ago

yorkshire

"I would like to ask this question ... If you meet a couple ( a real couple not fb's) and you later find out that the girl of that couple is an "escort" openly advertising sex for payment on an adult site (not fab) ... would it bother you and do you think you should have been told prior to meeting them.

re: the above quote.

No i would not be bothered, like most its work some do it for money only and others do it a they love borth money and sex.

We meet two couples at clubs that say the female escorts. We chatted for a fair bit. We did not play as we soft swing and they full swing.

I think this should be left a lone i think its going know where and it always leads to someone saying that the women are been used etc.

If i got the same hourly pay as i heard they get abuse me LOL

Ian and Sue

Well, this getting heated

No judgements here just interested in people responses xxx"

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By *ansue35Couple
over a year ago

yorkshire

"Does anybody know the 2 oldes profession in the world?ANYBODY"

Sex trade and taxman,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very emotive subject obviously...

clearly those who are trying to navigate this particular moral maze...all have personal life experiences..and agendas that influence which side of the arguement they have sympathy or empathy with...I acknowledge I do...but unwilling to disclose this in an open forum.

Prostitution...chosen as a positive career option for women..????

No difference between swingers and prostitutes...???just the exchange of money...?????

Is this really what the majority of peeps think...?????

Maybe swinging is no longer for me...time to find some free love commune in some remote part of Cornwall ..I guess...

I actually value myself too much to be thought of as anyones "free prostitute..

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

my thought exactly cheeky curves . no wonder ppl get the types of messages they do if they basically think swinging is just free way of getting a prostiute !!! i thought it was way to enhance social and sexual connections and forfill some fantasys and push bounderies along they way . ahhh silly me !! we are just hookers that dont charge according to some responses here .

as for the previous comment do i consider my self my high brow . well hell yeah !! with out doubt!! like most ppl here i work damn hard and struggle to get everything paid but work what i have to to do it . i dont have to resort to selling my body or selling myself out .as i said before they do it coz its a quick way to get money with no effort required . its just an easy cope out

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Read all the posts on this thread with interest, purely because we know of three Escorts who swing, and in fact are friends with all three.

NONE of them have ever asked for money.

NONE of them mentions it in general conversation.

NONE of them hides the fact about what they do for a living if asked.

ALL of them are active swingers.

There IS a difference between a prostitute and an escort, and from discussing this subject with them its simply this....

... each of them can, and does CHOOSE who they sleep with, and they tell the "clients" the same thing.... if he wants a gauranteed shag, pay a prostitute, but if he wants companionship and, maybe, some fun if they hit it off, then pay an escort.

Again, from coversations with them, when asked why, the answer basically boiled down to this...

... because they have high sex drives it provides an opportunity for lots of sex (if they find someone they like), whilst making money.

We should all be so lucky lol!!

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

sorry still dont wash with me .

they may not ask for money while swinging but they sure as hell would exspect to get paid for their "job" though .

they only sleep with ppl they choose too... hmm bet they are less choosey when they have a huge bill coming up to get paid! cant tell me that isnt the case lol !

you mentioned they do it due to high sex drive and for the money . well i have high sex drive but doesnt enter my head to sell myself ! the money aspect just confirmed my earlier point they do it as its easy money dont have to actually work for it .they just want it handed to em on a plate . ive no doubt they are all very pleasent inderviduals but as i said before its just an quick no effort route to cash for them no moral high ground in that . i respect those ppl who work their butts off legitamatly for their familys.theres single parents and cpls working two or more jobs to keep afloat.thats who i admire not those who lay on their back for fast dosh .its the easy and lazy way out in my opinion

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over a year ago

"sorry still dont wash with me .

they may not ask for money while swinging but they sure as hell would exspect to get paid for their "job" though .

they only sleep with ppl they choose too... hmm bet they are less choosey when they have a huge bill coming up to get paid! cant tell me that isnt the case lol !

How can u say that?

I think the escorts are brave. There are some guys who take advantage of the girls. You think it is easy.

How quick would u be to go into some strangers house?

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

going into a strangers house doesnt make you brave !! it makes them misguided !working frount line of a war zone makes u brave . dealing with a disability or caring for a loved one with a disability makes you brave .ect ect !

taking money for sex is just an easy and lazy way out !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to go off topic, but the idea of "go and get a job / multiple jobs is easier said than done and has been for the last year or so. Whilst it's easy to say it's a cop out, it may be they have NO other option at that time? Ie short term solution til something better comes along...

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

i still dont agree that its a viable solution till something turns up !

i never said finding something would be easy .yes job market is dire but surely better to do any job offered then sell urself and your self respect ?? or is now prostition fine if you cant get another job ? i think not .

plenty of ppl are in hardship and dont turn to prostitution!doesnt matter how ppl try and justify it theres is always an alternative

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

Again, from coversations with them, when asked why, the answer basically boiled down to this...

... because they have high sex drives it provides an opportunity for lots of sex (if they find someone they like), whilst making money.

Are you seriously suggesting that if I booked an escort, I would be no more guaranteed a shag than if I walked into a bar and tried to charm the knickers off any woman in there? Um, why wouldn't I just go and try my luck for free then, rather than risk being turned down by an escort I've paid, who thinks I'm Quasimodo?

Come on now, I'm sure they are very nice people, and they are your friends,so you would want to defend their honour and make their business arrangements seem above board and as socially acceptable as possible, but you are fooling no-one, hopefully not yourself either.

They are what they are, whatever word you want to use to describe them.

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Have heard the same conversation more than once in several swing clubs between guys... it went

Guy 1 :"bit quiet here tonight not sure it was worth comming"

Guy 2 : "Meh look on the bright side, may get lucky and it's still cheeper than a prostitute"

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

They are what they are, whatever word you want to use to describe them.

Your opinion seems to be very misguided. Put yourself in their shoes - if you were an escort and someone came around for sex and you downright didn't want to have sex with them (maybe they're high on drugs or whatever, or just plain hideous), do you really think money alone would guarantee the shag?

Of course escorts can turn down whoever the hell they like. I agree with this comment:

"if he wants a gauranteed shag, pay a prostitute, but if he wants companionship and, maybe, some fun if they hit it off, then pay an escort."

While sex is "likely", an escort (the way I define it as different to a "street walker" or "crack whore"!) always has the option of returning the money and saying no because there isn't the same level of desperation a crack whore would have.

So an "escort" is a "discerning prostitute"!

SensualMistrees and Cloud (sorry can't remember exact usernames), nobody is saying you are "free prostitutes". I can only try and explain this again - given that swingers AND escorts indulge in casual sex with strangers (no matter what you say, that's what we do as swingers), then it stands to reason that is a similarity. Money IS the only difference; but it's a big difference in terms of personal ethics because, as you say, sex should be for enjoyment, not profit.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Have heard the same conversation more than once in several swing clubs between guys... it went

Guy 1 :"bit quiet here tonight not sure it was worth comming"

Guy 2 : "Meh look on the bright side, may get lucky and it's still cheeper than a prostitute""

I'm quite certain that a good half of men who are on swingers site have exactly that attitude, perhaps more. That's why they get nowhere, because there's a big difference between a swinger and the idea of a "free whore". Swinging is much more akin to a dating scenario than it is to prostitution when it comes down to mindsets - in that you have to impress a girl/couple, do the right things, have the right look etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" i respect those ppl who work their butts off legitamatly for their familys.theres single parents and cpls working two or more jobs to keep afloat.thats who i admire not those who lay on their back for fast dosh .its the easy and lazy way out in my opinion"

Many of the ladies I worked along side are working legitimately, they pay tax just like any other job, not all of course, but then there are other ways of work with no tax pay.

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From your opinions shared via this thread, I can only take from it the only info you have comes from the news of the world and such likes, maybe the daily mail.

I have worked in the scene (on the doors as stated) and you talk a different tale to what I have witnessed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will add also, my comments on prostitution and swinging being close, is that the end result is mostly the same, sex.

A different state of mind maybe, but it's still sexual pleasure.

It is still meeting strangers predominately for sexual pleasure, both are a long way off a loving relationship.

Dress it up as you will, but sex is sex.

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By *rPandSlutCouple
over a year ago

wakefield

People have some really strong views on this, but i think we all need to realise that as i said before escorts are not at all like the typical stereo-type of prostitues!

Escorts do not have sex with people they wouldn't normally have sex with!

Escorts are not paid solely to have sex with a client. They are first paid for companionship!

Escorts are not cheap and slutty crack whores!

Most don't escort to feed drug habits or because they are lazy and don't do anything else! Most have other jobs also and i'm sure that some of the so called lazy girls do hold down several jobs!

I think that whilst everyone has the right to their own opinion they ought to give the girls who may escort a break!

as a previous poster said..... sex is sex no matter what.

and i dont view swinging as free prostitution. but i dont view escorts as dirty little whores either. End of the day what exactly is it that they are doing that is bad! They are just having sex! Don't we all do that? They are been given money, but that isn't for the sex that's for the companionship! I could meet an old and they could give me some money as a friend and i end up fucking them, does that make me a dirty little whore too???

Escorts have the right to keep their business to themselves! as iv already said just cause someones an escort it doesn't make them a bad person!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will add also, my comments on prostitution and swinging being close, is that the end result is mostly the same, sex.

A different state of mind maybe, but it's still sexual pleasure.

It is still meeting strangers predominately for sexual pleasure, both are a long way off a loving relationship.

Dress it up as you will, but sex is sex.

Well this could go on forever and i would say lets just agree to disagree.Oh and the answer to my question is a Soldier and a Prostitue are the oldest Professions in the World.

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

we once met a woman in a club who said she was a prostitute. she told us she came clubbing not to sell herself or find clients for later, but because she loved fucking. we thought after having done sex for work, she'd have had enough of it, but she said not.

there are many reasons to sell your body but many women work as prostitutes because they just love sex.

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

i beg to differ the oldest profession is that of the story teller, followed by the soldier and prostitute , even before wars and tribal insurrections the story tell entertained the villagers by the camp fires

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

"People have some really strong views on this, but i think we all need to realise that as i said before escorts are not at all like the typical stereo-type of prostitues!

Escorts do not have sex with people they wouldn't normally have sex with!

Escorts are not paid solely to have sex with a client. They are first paid for companionship!

Escorts are not cheap and slutty crack whores!

Most don't escort to feed drug habits or because they are lazy and don't do anything else! Most have other jobs also and i'm sure that some of the so called lazy girls do hold down several jobs!

I think that whilst everyone has the right to their own opinion they ought to give the girls who may escort a break!

as a previous poster said..... sex is sex no matter what.

Escorts have the right to keep their business to themselves! as iv already said just cause someones an escort it doesn't make them a bad person!

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escort's like prostitutes come in both male and female, the difference between the two profession's as pointed out is that an escort is firstly paid for companionship, if it goes to the sexual side then it's because it's a mutually agreed arrangement, not a financial one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i beg to differ the oldest profession is that of the story teller, followed by the soldier and prostitute , even before wars and tribal insurrections the story tell entertained the villagers by the camp fires

What about all these artistic drawings drawn by cave men, thing BC, never heard of a prehistoric prostitutes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"going into a strangers house doesnt make you brave !! it makes them misguided !working frount line of a war zone makes u brave . dealing with a disability or caring for a loved one with a disability makes you brave .ect ect !

taking money for sex is just an easy and lazy way out ! "

then ppl who drink must be misquided to as they know the health risks. WE ARE ALL EQUAL. there is no point slagging off groups of individuals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i still dont agree that its a viable solution till something turns up !

plenty of ppl are in hardship and dont turn to prostitution!doesnt matter how ppl try and justify it theres is always an alternative "

An escort doesn't have to have sex. Money is paid for companionship. And if they like the client then sex plays apart....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wow..what a thread and a half!

For me..i am saddened to the very core that swingers look down on those who work in the sex industry.

Many agree with/like/have no issue with someone 'selling sex'...others cant stand it....each to their own.

However the point it..as long as its a pesonal choice then surely live and let live????!!!???!!!???!!!

I mean we (swingers) have to keep this lifestyle low key, we have to be sure we keep it secret for fear what friends/family/work collegues etc would say.

We hide it, as society as a whole frowns upon us.

Yet.....we then frown upon people who have sex with strangers...for cash..

outrageous and reeks of double standards and misplaced sense of morality imho

vol

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

"wow..what a thread and a half!

For me..i am saddened to the very core that swingers look down on those who work in the sex industry.

Many agree with/like/have no issue with someone 'selling sex'...others cant stand it....each to their own.

However the point it..as long as its a pesonal choice then surely live and let live????!!!???!!!???!!!

I mean we (swingers) have to keep this lifestyle low key, we have to be sure we keep it secret for fear what friends/family/work collegues etc would say.

We hide it, as society as a whole frowns upon us.

Yet.....we then frown upon people who have sex with strangers...for cash..

outrageous and reeks of double standards and misplaced sense of morality imho

vol

here here I've seen many double standards applied by others on this thread, we as swinger's are by vanilla standards the lowest of the low, yet some of us here are slating people who are open enough to admit to their lifestyle and not hide it.

and I agree with the live and let live standard you so rightly proclaim to being part of.

we all no matter how we label it do what we do for various reason's that only we are privy to, so why oh why should we stand in judgement of people who do what they do for what ever reason's they have.

prostitute or escort or swinger at the end of the day we are all doing what we do for our own reasons.

it takes many types to make a world and part of those many types are those that are making some of those amongst us happy in one way or the other.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

here here

couldnt agree more

Mr P

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whats the difference you go on a date the guy pays for flowers, he pays for a meal in a top restuarant and then he pays for a hotel room. Escorts are just more open in what they do and less complicated.

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"Whats the difference you go on a date the guy pays for flowers, he pays for a meal in a top restuarant and then he pays for a hotel room. Escorts are just more open in what they do and less complicated."

I dont think the police would see it quite that way

But your right in that maybe that why men use escorts

The result is the same just more direct

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont think the police would see it quite that way

What have the Police got to do with it.

It is not against the law to sell your body ( Sex ) for money, gifts, or even an apple struddle.

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

I dont think the police would see it quite that way

What have the Police got to do with it.

It is not against the law to sell your body ( Sex ) for money, gifts, or even an apple struddle.

Are we all really sure of that?

I know its not iielgal for a lady to work alone.

I know often the law gets the partner on living off immoral earnings.

Can they not charge the working girl with the same?

I really have no idea in all honesty.

I know if its discreet then even the neighbours can do nothing if they do go to the police.

If the clients are discreet when they visit and when they leave, whats it got to do with them?

I think anyways.....

Most clients will be happy not to interact with any neighbours as they dont often wish to be remembered for being there in the first place. or am I wrong?

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

Are we all really sure of that?

I know its not iielgal for a lady to work alone.

I know often the law gets the partner on living off immoral earnings.

Can they not charge the working girl with the same?

I really have no idea in all honesty.

I know if its discreet then even the neighbours can do nothing if they do go to the police.

If the clients are discreet when they visit and when they leave, whats it got to do with them?

I think anyways.....

Most clients will be happy not to interact with any neighbours as they dont often wish to be remembered for being there in the first place. or am I wrong?

It's this simple... It is completely legal for anyone to invite anyone into their own home for sex for any reason, as long as they weren't soliciting it in a public place beforehand.

There is absolutely nothing illegal about any form of escorting, as it is not the same thing as street prostitution.

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"wow..what a thread and a half!

For me..i am saddened to the very core that swingers look down on those who work in the sex industry.

Many agree with/like/have no issue with someone 'selling sex'...others cant stand it....each to their own.

However the point it..as long as its a pesonal choice then surely live and let live????!!!???!!!???!!!

I mean we (swingers) have to keep this lifestyle low key, we have to be sure we keep it secret for fear what friends/family/work collegues etc would say.

We hide it, as society as a whole frowns upon us.

Yet.....we then frown upon people who have sex with strangers...for cash..

outrageous and reeks of double standards and misplaced sense of morality imho

vol

Surely the only difference is the cash

oh and maybe less choice in who you meet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Living off immoral earnings was taken off the sexual offence act in 2003 and no longer an offence. So husbands etc can't be prosecuted

Selling sex is legal and never has been illegal.

Working in a parlour as a sex worker is not illegal, However maids and managers can be charged

Section 52 and 53 of the SOA 2003

What is illegal is

controling a prostitute for gain

Managing/owing a parlour

Causing or inciting prostitution for gain

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

Are we all really sure of that?

I know its not iielgal for a lady to work alone.

I know often the law gets the partner on living off immoral earnings.

Can they not charge the working girl with the same?

I really have no idea in all honesty.

I know if its discreet then even the neighbours can do nothing if they do go to the police.

If the clients are discreet when they visit and when they leave, whats it got to do with them?

I think anyways.....

Most clients will be happy not to interact with any neighbours as they dont often wish to be remembered for being there in the first place. or am I wrong?

It's this simple... It is completely legal for anyone to invite anyone into their own home for sex for any reason, as long as they weren't soliciting it in a public place beforehand.

There is absolutely nothing illegal about any form of escorting, as it is not the same thing as street prostitution."

I do see that there is a difference.

and thanks for that clarity.

I dont think the police can ever do working girls on tax evasion can they, as they hardly keep records.

Its an interesting subject though.

I know a lady whose neighbour called the police only to be told that unless the clients knock on her door instead, there is nothing they can do.

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"Living off immoral earnings was taken off the sexual offence act in 2003 and no longer an offence. So husbands etc can't be prosecuted

Selling sex is legal and never has been illegal.

Working in a parlour as a sex worker is not illegal, However maids and managers can be charged

Section 52 and 53 of the SOA 2003

What is illegal is

controling a prostitute for gain

Managing/owing a parlour

Causing or inciting prostitution for gain"

I think your right.

No ones been able to stop it, its not called the oldest profession for nothing I guess.

But what about avoiding tax?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Many escorts pay tax

With numberous web sites around that have "Field reports/reviews" on the girls ( Punters give feedback on the girls looks and performance as well as other things)

Any escort would be stupid not to pay tax, all the tax man has to do is look at reports online see Miss X has 20 reports in one year detailing that she earnt £75000, He does some investigation and then says to her look I can prove that you earnt this much because reports of your encounters are posted online giving date and fee paid wheres my cut...

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Many escorts pay tax

With numberous web sites around that have "Field reports/reviews" on the girls ( Punters give feedback on the girls looks and performance as well as other things)

That's an interesting subject... in order to have to pay tax, it'd have to be a legitimate profession. I'm not sure that independent escorting IS a legitimate profession.

Indeed, if it was, then HR Revenue could be charged with earning off prostitution - essentially they'd be a pimp as they'd be earning money off the escorts activities!

Plus, the vast majority of escorts on that site hide their face, the address isn't visible... I really do doubt that anyone could prove the escorts income.

I'd be stunned if an independent escort ever got done for tax evasion personally.

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"Many escorts pay tax

With numberous web sites around that have "Field reports/reviews" on the girls ( Punters give feedback on the girls looks and performance as well as other things)

That's an interesting subject... in order to have to pay tax, it'd have to be a legitimate profession. I'm not sure that independent escorting IS a legitimate profession.

Indeed, if it was, then HR Revenue could be charged with earning off prostitution - essentially they'd be a pimp as they'd be earning money off the escorts activities!

Plus, the vast majority of escorts on that site hide their face, the address isn't visible... I really do doubt that anyone could prove the escorts income.

I'd be stunned if an independent escort ever got done for tax evasion personally.

I tend to agree with you

Any legal eagles online know the diffinitive answer though? That would be helpful.

I dont see how a working girl can pay tax if its not a legit profession.

Its an interesting point that they would be indeed profiting from immoral earrings if they were to ask you for tax on those earnings.

Its all very clear and then not so clear lol

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"Many escorts pay tax

With numberous web sites around that have "Field reports/reviews" on the girls ( Punters give feedback on the girls looks and performance as well as other things)

£75000 is rather ambitious lol

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"Many escorts pay tax

With numberous web sites around that have "Field reports/reviews" on the girls ( Punters give feedback on the girls looks and performance as well as other things)

That's an interesting subject... in order to have to pay tax, it'd have to be a legitimate profession. I'm not sure that independent escorting IS a legitimate profession.

Indeed, if it was, then HR Revenue could be charged with earning off prostitution - essentially they'd be a pimp as they'd be earning money off the escorts activities!

Plus, the vast majority of escorts on that site hide their face, the address isn't visible... I really do doubt that anyone could prove the escorts income.

I'd be stunned if an independent escort ever got done for tax evasion personally.

From june 21 legit sites are asking for proof of age from a passport or driving licence copied and sent to them.

The law must have changed so that you need to prove age and/or nationality.

I suppose its an attempt to get rid of the forced foreign workers but I dont really knop.

So they would know where to locate the lady.

But the client would need not identify himself, indeed if they did, more than half would disappear

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

the whole escort and prostitute thing has got mixed up,stirred and clouded over the years.

but primarily an escort is a paid companion who is hired for the day/evening to go along to some form of entertainment or dinner or social event that the other person feels requires the presences of a second person on a purely social level ( sad to be seen attending a function alone )

A prostitute on the other hand openly advertise's her trade as a sex worker, who will for a price entertain anyone with the right amount of cash in their wallet/purse.

so it's not fair to lump escorts and prostitutes under the single heading.

it's kind of like putting swingers and prostitutes under the same heading they aint the same never have been and never will be.

so lets call a spade a spade and stop generalising as it just isn't fair.

I wouldn't call a woman who likes to sleep with many different partners a slag or a slapper because it's not right to do so, same as I wouldn't call a male who sleeps with many partners a stud, in this lifestyle we choose who we spend our social time with as do every other person in society, the only difference being we know what the out come is because we all belong to the same lifestyle.

and at the end of the day who are we to have the right to say what's right or wrong when as said before according to us even our own family and friends would be shocked to find out what we do in our private time, who if anyone would stand up in front of their family and say " I'm a swinger and I sleep with others beside my partner" I'm going to be honest and say myself for one couldn't nor wouldn't do it, how many more here can honestly say that would ?

and how many men out there will honestly answer the question " have you ever paid for sex" a survey recently carried out in a woman's magazine got some astonishing results 1,000 men questioned and 87% admitted to it (age group 18/30)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"sorry but swinging is not prostitution with out the pay off !!!

oh my god and oh dear...

you are entitled to your opinion, however just like every person is an individual and just like every swinger is an individual and has their reasons and motivations for having sex with people that they dont want to form long standing emotional relationships with.....

then so is every escort and or prostitute an individual and has his or her reasons to sell sex.

To look down upon every person who choses to work in that particular section of the sex industry is not only incredibly shallow but sadly taking a moral standpoint that is misplaced.

Many CHOSE to sell sex as they enjoy it, or want to or see it as a viable job like any other. Just because you see it differently does not make it wrong.

You forget that they are still people with hopes, fears, desires, family, pride, morals, relationships, standards..just like everyone else.

It does not mean they will have the same/higher/lower/better/worse standards than you...just clearly a different perspective.

For any one of us on this site to judge the sexual morality or motivation of anyone else is frankly laughable.

Sweeping generalisations are always wrong. Accepting and believing stereotypes is also wrong.

In fact it would be just the same as saying that EVERY swinger is a slut, fucks anything, has no morals, goes to parties every night with car keys in hand and clearly will fuck anyone just to have some dirty, depraved sex. Every swinger frequents car parks and really are a disgrace to society and should be shunned and looked down upon because anyone that does not want a loving monogamous relationship is clearly a loony and not worthy of respect......

Easy for people to make sweeping statements isnt it...

vol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the end of the day society frowns on both working girls and swinging

People are individuals and as long as the main laws are not broken then I don't give a shit who does what

I am in no position to judge anyone

Why? Cause at the finish of it I have never lived anyone elses life

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Ok I sound like a parrot.

Posts have been removed again , if anyone quoted the posts they were removed also.

If you want to advertise that you are an escort on this site anywhere, and that includes the forums you will be banned from the site altogether.

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok I sound like a parrot.

Posts have been removed again , if anyone quoted the posts they were removed also.

If you want to advertise that you are an escort on this site anywhere, and that includes the forums you will be banned from the site altogether.

erm, can i get their details first before u ban them...

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

"At the end of the day society frowns on both working girls and swinging

People are individuals and as long as the main laws are not broken then I don't give a shit who does what

I am in no position to judge anyone

Why? Cause at the finish of it I have never lived anyone elses life

I'm with you on that one soapy, "LIVE AND LET LIVE" how the others in this world live their lives has sod all to do with me, and I'd hope my lifestyle has sod all to do with them,

what's the saying !!!! "people in glasshouse's should throw stones" Well this life style is a little like a glasshouse so I wouldn't be throwing any stones myself and I'd hope others would kindly do the same. the life style has been kept behind closer doors for years because of narrow mindedness in the world at large, it's only recently that it has ventured into the outside world, lets not drive it back underground

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"surely having streams of ppl at your home payng for sex makes that basically a brothal ?? im pretty sure the decencey laws would have summit to say about that "

Soo people no more Party's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"surely having streams of ppl at your home payng for sex makes that basically a brothal ?? im pretty sure the decencey laws would have summit to say about that

Soo people no more Party's.

I only party at chams so im safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well peeps i have read through all of this again and from what i see most of the sensible people on here all say the same live and let live.Know to some of the arguments against Escorting i work with 2500 people and about 96%are men.And as you work and walk amongst then you get to hear some of the thinks they talk about and i couple of weeks ago 1 of the guys was on about he being a swingers.And the response he got was that he is a dirty BA..... And that he should go to hookers instead as it was safer.And that is the deception people still have about swingers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"surely having streams of ppl at your home payng for sex makes that basically a brothal ?? im pretty sure the decencey laws would have summit to say about that

Soo people no more Party's.

I only party at chams so im safe."
But some House party's are soooooo much fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yours are but they are ver exclusive. Greedy girl you have to learn to share lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yours are but they are ver exclusive. Greedy girl you have to learn to share lol"

I do I do lol with you any day and you know it muahhhhh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you honey I will hold you to that Is that my birthday present lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hi

In the end yes it was them pimpin' plus we found three more fabswingers all within 5 miles! It seems to be a growing trend.

Where does the site stand on this? Where do fellow swingers stand?

Personally it just seems a bit mankey, everyone has to pay the bills and all, times is hard etc but it seems to cheapen swinging.

I think when we get back in the swing [on pregnancy leave!] we'll keep to couples who only meet with couples.

That's just our perspective.

Anyone else?

HB"

Hey _otterandharlot.

After reading through this interesting thread again I couldn't help but think you may want to reconsider your username.

harlot ['h??l?t]

a prostitute or promiscuous woman

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By *otterandharlot OP Couple
over a year ago

Harlow

Lol, hadn't thought of that, must spend more time reading dictionaries

However since its prostitute OR promiscuous woman, I'll take the later.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

for those who have said escorts /hookers are choosey about who they do business withas i said before .... can you honestly tell me that faced with the cold hard offer of cash and the monthly bills due to be paid that theyd not sleep with someone who they wouldnt normally??? of course that happens,not all the time but it happens !

as for the statement about ppl doing the job purely coz they enjoy sex ... were on a swingers site we ALL enjoy sex but you dont see everyone going out escorting or as a prostitute !! if it was purely just for the sex they could get more than enough im sure from just swinging or going to a club! so that dont wash either with me! bottom line they want fast easy money ! if thats how they choose to earn it and do for a living is of course their own choice . i have no issue if they choose that is how they wish to make a living its their personal decsion.what i dont agree with is being compared to an unpaid prostiute because i swing ! for all the people who are shocked ,dismayed thinks its double standered i ask you one simple question .... if you recieved a message here or a guy approached you at a club asking if you wanted to play as he couldnt afford/get an escort/hooker you would happliy replie to the message to arrange a meet or go play with the guy at the club??? PLEASE!!!!of course you wouldnt !! the message would deleted and blocked and the guy sent away with a serious flea in his ear !

what worries me is how meny ppl are basically saying they are quite prepaired to be called an unpaid hooker /escort! this is sending out the total wrong message,firstly about what swinging is about and what will be tolerated . lil wonder why we get some of the messages we do here !how meny times do you see a post or hear a person complain about how member have contacted them or spoken to them ??? you choose the way people treat you , and if you accept being branded in such a way then dont be surprised when we start getting treated as unpaid hookers!

what happened to swinging being about connections ,friendships ,trust and exsploring sexual fantasys and pushing personal sexual bounderies ??none of which enters in to prostituion /escorting . you may try and simplify it by say both have sex with ppl but in my book alot more is invovled when you swing as i noted above .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally am not suggesting we or anyone here are prostituting for free, I am however expressing that the end result for a swinger and a prostitute is the same, SEX.

The difference between your way and a prostitute is, for a guy to see a prostitute he has to spend some of his hard earned cash, for you, he has to spend his time to allow you to (at least believe) get to know him a little.

there is a difference as much as there is a similarity.

Sex is Sex.

also as I stated previously.....

harlot ['h??l?t]

a prostitute or promiscuous woman.

Therefore swingers and prostitutes are harlots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dont know how this thread is still going but swing aint prostitution. Swinging is fun, if someone giving sex away for free its fun. PROSTITUTION is when ONE IS PAYING FOR SEX.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"dont know how this thread is still going but swing aint prostitution. Swinging is fun, if someone giving sex away for free its fun. PROSTITUTION is when ONE IS PAYING FOR SEX."

I think we all know that, I also think some things have been taken out of context.

Some (including me) have suggested there are similarities in that the end result is sex, I can only speak for myself but also assume others as well as myself have pointed this out to make the point that it's not so nice to look down your nose at another's choice when it comes to consenting adult sex.

I don't think anyone is suggesting it's the same thing, but that there are similarities in that seeking sex with strangers or at least away from a one on one loving relationship that parts of society believe is the only correct way.

Maybe it's just me, but I try not to look down on anyone, not always so easy mind.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"sorry but swinging is not prostitution with out the pay off !!!

If it makes you feel better to believe that casual sex your way is so much more high brow, then you keep on telling yourself that.

The News of the World would still have a field day reporting on your hobby as it would a prostitutes.

ermmm hardly looks like you are just saying that there are simalarities with swinging as postituiion from yourearlier post does it ??lol!!

as for looking down my nose is there anyone who would be happy to be called an unpaid prositute /escort just because they swing ??? i dont think so ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"sorry but swinging is not prostitution with out the pay off !!!

If it makes you feel better to believe that casual sex your way is so much more high brow, then you keep on telling yourself that.

The News of the World would still have a field day reporting on your hobby as it would a prostitutes.

ermmm hardly looks like you are just saying that there are simalarities with swinging as postituiion from yourearlier post does it ??lol!!

as for looking down my nose is there anyone who would be happy to be called an unpaid prositute /escort just because they swing ??? i dont think so .."

Explain to me how I say otherwise.

explain to me where I have stated any swinger is an unpaid prostitute.

The similarities are explained in the post you quoted, "casual sex".

it is true the news of the world like to pretend to have a dim view on swingers and prostitutes just so they can sell a naughty story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"sorry but swinging is not prostitution with out the pay off !!!

If it makes you feel better to believe that casual sex your way is so much more high brow, then you keep on telling yourself that.

The News of the World would still have a field day reporting on your hobby as it would a prostitutes.

ermmm hardly looks like you are just saying that there are simalarities with swinging as postituiion from yourearlier post does it ??lol!!

as for looking down my nose is there anyone who would be happy to be called an unpaid prositute /escort just because they swing ??? i dont think so .."

YOU are the one that penned the term "unpaid prostitute".

That is your issue not anyone else's, and certainly not mine, I would appreciate you not try to twist my words to make you look or feel better.

Thank you very much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

witchever way you want to look at it.I dont think any one of us would tell our Boss,Family,Freinds or Workmates that we are Swingers Meaning having sex with Strangers IE at Partys and home dogging or in Clubs.And all becourse its not the done thing,And the same goes for Escorts even though i think there are a lot more open about it

My Opinion of course

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"sorry but swinging is not prostitution with out the pay off !!!

hat casual sex your way is so much mIf it makes you feel better to believe tore high brow, then you keep on telling yourself that.

The News of the World would still have a field day reporting on your hobby as it would a prostitutes.

ermmm hardly looks like you are just saying that there are simalarities with swinging as postituiion from yourearlier post does it ??lol!!

as for looking down my nose is there anyone who would be happy to be called an unpaid prositute /escort just because they swing ??? i dont think so ..

YOU are the one that penned the term "unpaid prostitute".

That is your issue not anyone else's, and certainly not mine, I would appreciate you not try to twist my words to make you look or feel better.

Thank you very much.

not twisting words . i stated i that swinging is not prostituion with out they pay off , your reply as seen above is

hat casual sex your way is so much mIf it makes you feel better to believe tore high brow, then you keep on telling yourself that.

think your point is very clear .you said ,be it phrased in another mannor that swinging is no better than prostituion!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"sorry but swinging is not prostitution with out the pay off !!!

hat casual sex your way is so much mIf it makes you feel better to believe tore high brow, then you keep on telling yourself that.

The News of the World would still have a field day reporting on your hobby as it would a prostitutes.

ermmm hardly looks like you are just saying that there are simalarities with swinging as postituiion from yourearlier post does it ??lol!!

as for looking down my nose is there anyone who would be happy to be called an unpaid prositute /escort just because they swing ??? i dont think so ..

YOU are the one that penned the term "unpaid prostitute".

That is your issue not anyone else's, and certainly not mine, I would appreciate you not try to twist my words to make you look or feel better.

Thank you very much.

not twisting words . i stated i that swinging is not prostituion with out they pay off , your reply as seen above is

hat casual sex your way is so much mIf it makes you feel better to believe tore high brow, then you keep on telling yourself that.

think your point is very clear .you said ,be it phrased in another mannor that swinging is no better than prostituion! "

No dear, I said they are both in the same category of casual sex.

Am I wrong? Nope.

at least we agree the term "unpaid prostitute" was penned by you, therefore you are trying to put words into others posts.

Casual sex is casual sex, whether paid or unpaid, whether an after piss up session, a meet through a site like this, a club, a group session or a chatted for a while first before meeting with the main reason being for casual sex.

Actually, now you mention it, will you explain to me how one is better than another?

so long as it's consenting adults, nobody is forced, then to me casual sex is casual sex.

I personally think you have your own issues with casual sex, and reading between the lines n the wrong places.

sex for money = casual sex

sex for personal fun = casual sex.

We all have our preferences, I for one as stated previously could not enjoy paid for sex, but sex is sex, the rest is state of mind.

Now, let's see you try to twist this.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

only issue i have is being likend to hooker because i swing! yes i penned the term unpaid prostiute in response to earlier posts from others stating there is no difference between the two except the exchange of cash ! also alot of theses posts from others have also been removed due to inapropriate content.

in response to your question about casual sex being casual sex and asking why swinging is then any better than prositution .you actually yourself in an earlier post disagreed with a comment and you asked the poster if then swingers are then just unpaid prostitutes !! followed by offering a free shag promising not to charge (which was very funny btw !!).there fore backing that swinging is not just free prostution! lol!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"witchever way you want to look at it.I dont think any one of us would tell our Boss,Family,Freinds or Workmates that we are Swingers Meaning having sex with Strangers IE at Partys and home dogging or in Clubs.And all becourse its not the done thing,And the same goes for Escorts even though i think there are a lot more open about it

My Opinion of course

ok why wouldny you want to tell? do you think what you do is dirty ? I guess not or you wouldnt do it! my kids my boss pretty much everyone noes what i get up to, most take it in there stride saying not for me then start asking questions, which i answer honestly, after all the public image of us swingers as little better than unpaid prostitutes is precisely because we hide what we do!

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

i guess most people are just wanting to keep their private life exactly that ,private .just each inderviduals choice . if you have circle of ppl you can be totally honest about everything regarding swinging than thats great !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Selling sex is a multi multi billion dollar industry weather its escorting, porn industry top shelf magazines, swingers clubs, sex shops, Ann Summers the endless list goes on. And I for one thoroughly enjoy the lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i guess most people are just wanting to keep their private life exactly that ,private .just each inderviduals choice . if you have circle of ppl you can be totally honest about everything regarding swinging than thats great ! "

Are you totally honest with all your friends, family and workmates do you tell them you swing or are you in the closet. Personally its nobodys business but my own.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

thats what i was saying wasnt it lol just phrased different lol

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By *onny BonesMan
over a year ago

a block away from heaven

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

ok why wouldny you want to tell? do you think what you do is dirty ? I guess not or you wouldnt do it!

Oh swinging is definitely "different", if not downright dirty! It provides a sexual thrill which is, whether we like it or not, a deviant form of sex.

So, no, we wouldn't tell ANY member of our family what we were doing - not because we're embarrassed about reaction, but because the social stigma of it would be enough to give elderly members of our families heart failure!

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By *onny BonesMan
over a year ago

a block away from heaven

" ok why wouldny you want to tell? do you think what you do is dirty ? I guess not or you wouldnt do it! Oh swinging is definitely "different", if not downright dirty! It provides a sexual thrill which is, whether we like it or not, a deviant form of sex. So, no, we wouldn't tell ANY member of our family what we were doing - not because we're embarrassed about reaction, but because the social stigma of it would be enough to give elderly members of our families heart failure!"
Must be a weird dinner party at gran's if the topic changed from bingo to how good someones wife is in bed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"only issue i have is being likend to hooker because i swing! yes i penned the term unpaid prostiute in response to earlier posts from others stating there is no difference between the two except the exchange of cash ! also alot of theses posts from others have also been removed due to inapropriate content.

See, I didn't ask if or why swinging was better than prostitution, I gave several examples of swinging and also mentioned prostitution, then asked you if you could explain why any of the examples were better than the others. which you haven't attempted to answer.

personally I think as I said before, you are looking a little too deep.

There is a difference between prostitution and swinging which I have mentioned time again , something you seem to have missed, the difference is state of mind.

My point has been all along as others have stated that those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

It's funny because when I worked the doors some of the ladies were talking about their personal favourite swing clubs, and a couple of then said they don't give it away for free pulling their face at the thought, they added, only with a partner.

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over a year ago

Escorting...wow...its a great profession...bloody wished I had chosen it instead of the stupid job I do.

Going to stop swinging..and become an escort...wow...its just the same thing but I get PAID for it..yay..

And because I do it..And my friends do it..and I sometimes work the doors of an nailbar..once owned by a friend of a friend of a 2nd cousin of an escort..I can then have a go at anyone who doesn't agree with me...wow..

I was a swinger...I was never anyone's unpaid prostitute...sorry not allowed to call that particular spade a spade..unpaid escort...who doesn't really sell sex any way..just their companionship....ok..whatever.

If this really is how peeps think..then swinging really is no longer for me..to me prostitution and swinging were never in any way linked...now in my mind they have become so....not for me..but each to their own as the old swinging motto goes..

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

its more than difference in state of mind for most as i have stated meny times ,the friendship , conections you bulid and the exsploration of sexual bounderies and also trust you get with in swinging . what i have objected to are the ppl who have said the only difference is the money aspect between swinging and prostition .when you states as you have done that casual sex is casual sex weather your getting paid or not is that not saying the same thing ? when i pointed out what I considered to be the difference between the two senarios you said i was to keep telling myself what i had to to make myself feel better about it ! is that not saying youre doing the the same as a prositute and you justify it how ever you want to make yourself feel better about it??

if you are happy with the comparision of swingers to free prostitutes then youre a much better person than i . and if me voicing my disaproval at this is throwing stones in a glass house then so be it .hell id use a sling shot and pellet gun to fire the stones before id accept anyone calling me or infering in anyway that what im doing is prostitution in anyway .if that makes me a bad person ,ill live with it .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its more than difference in state of mind for most as i have stated meny times ,the friendship , conections you bulid and the exsploration of sexual bounderies and also trust you get with in swinging . what i have objected to are the ppl who have said the only difference is the money aspect between swinging and prostition .when you states as you have done that casual sex is casual sex weather your getting paid or not is that not saying the same thing ? when i pointed out what I considered to be the difference between the two senarios you said i was to keep telling myself what i had to to make myself feel better about it ! is that not saying youre doing the the same as a prositute and you justify it how ever you want to make yourself feel better about it??

Girl...we are outnumbered by escorts..friends of escorts...doormen of friends of escorts....but hey ..they are all in bed after being out all weekend ...exchanging money for their "companionship" and "company"..

NOT having much success getting a job as an escort when I keep telling potential clients I dont have sex with them...but we can keep each other company and talk...HOW ODD.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WOW this is getting really deep know.And i will also say that everybody's got a right to say how they feel about it.Me personally iam not for it or against it.As i know Men and Woman that are doing it aslong as they dont ask for money from me i dont care.And i deffo would never judge anybody for doing it.But i would also not stop swinging becourse of it.As for anybody calling me a hure or a Hooker?Dont do it to my face course trust me all you would get is a punch you be spinning for a week.So live and let live i say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My Opinion of course

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Iam German so my upbringing is a lot diffrent i think as we see sex as normal not hidden away not to talk about it,In germany Prostituion and Brothel are legal.As for not telling my Family well some of them know.All i get is be carefull as we all shd be.But as i live in England and most of the ppl(not all)Still think sex is between 2 Adults only.And would i tell me workmates?the once i work close with they know as for the rest Hell no.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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I don't care what people do for a living to make their money, I just wouldn't choose to do it..........but we don't play with others to pay the gas bill....so I am offended to be classed in the same bracket as a prostitute.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Must make it clear...as I think things have got twisted...

I am not against prositution...in fact think it should be decriminalised...so that girls can work safely together...regulated..pay tax..get support...with any drug or mental health issues etc.

Totally against woman forced into prostitution..human trafficing..pimping etc.

My objection was about female swingers being effectively called unpaid prostitutes.

Escorts..friends of escorts...why delude yourselves that what you are doing is not selling sex for money..????if you are proud of what you do ...be proud..dont wrap it up as something else..it just makes you sound ashamed of what you do ..which is prostitution..yes it is..be proud to be a prostitute.

I was a swinger..never a free prostitute.

But maybe the nature of swinging...as I knew it and loved it ..is changing and evolving...into something else...what..??? I am not quite sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

special offer

im free 2day 1day only lol

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

"sex for money = casual sex

sex for personal fun = casual sex."

Surely not. One is a business transaction, and that can hardly be considered "casual".

If I give money to someone for a professional service, be it letting me shag them, or changing the tyres on my car, they are going to do it to my satisfaction. My money is too hard earned to be given away unless I'm getting exactly what I want.

Hypothetically, were I to negotiate sex for money, I'd want to check the boxes to see if the hooker was going to let me do XX and XXX, with maybe a little XXXX as well. If not, sorry, no deal, I want the maximum bang for my buck.

If I were to meet someone in a swingers club and they weren't into XXX, well, that's fine, limits established, everybody happy, game on.

Likewise, if I thought the hooker was going to let me do XXX because she wanted to secure my business, I dare say I'd give it a miss, I wouldn't want her going through the motions just as part of her customer satisfaction programme.

Thinking about all of this, I CAN see why some women swing and hook. The woman I referred to in my first post is a lovely lass, and used to do nails part-time after her kids flew the nest. She now advertises on a certain Adult site, and is a part-time "escort". She's been doing it a couple of years now, her phone is constantly ringing, and she is used to having a wad of cash in her purse. If she wants something, she buys it, simple, and she doesn't piss about doing nails for anyone either. The downside is that she doesn't appear to turn away business, she needs that roll of twenties.

I KNOW she doesn't like certain types of men, she wouldn't give them the time of day, but I've also watched her take a booking by phone, hang up, then curl her lip up in disgust. So why do it, I ask?

"Ah well" she replies, "It won't take long, I'll bring him off quickly and that'll be that." Charming. Thank you for your order, drive through.

I also know that she will indulge in things that she won't entertain with her hubby, indeed has told me that he would kill her if he found out. Great, gulp, thanks for letting me in on your secrets, now I'm part of your conspiracy.

Now, I'm sure he doesn't quiz her about what her day at work has been like, down to the last detail, but I'm also sure he enjoys the fact that she doesn't rely on his wallet for buying whatever women buy - shoes, I guess!How would he feel if he knew exactly who she was letting do XXXX to her?

Does it affect the way they swing together? She says she sometimes isn't up for it at all if she's had a busy week, but of course her hubby is raring to go, so off to Chams she trots. I'm sure she can look like she's having fun, but can you deceive your partner and playmates like that? Surely they would sense she's not 100% into it? Perhaps I'm wrong, but when I'm playing with someone and I feel they aren't 100% into it, I'd rather stop. I can't just go through the mechanical actions, though I know plenty of men who would just use her as a cum-dump, only sensing the atmosphere AFTER they have shot their load.Perhaps I'm a big over-sensitive Wendy, perhaps I should harden up a little?

Anyway, she's not going to stop doing what she does, and perhaps if I was in the same position and people were on the phone to me all the time, I'd possibly take the cash. In fact, I KNOW I'd take the cash, it beats working for a living, and it's something I enjoy.

However, I certainly wouldn't want anyone in a swingers club knowing what I did, because I believe it would alter their perception of me as a person, not to mention my own perception of indulging in something out of the ordinary with like-minded people (ie. "casual" sex with multiple strangers, sometimes all together).

I would want to keep the two things wholly separate, in the way most people do when they finish work - they down tools (wha-hey!) and don't want anything associated with work until the next shift.

In essence, and I know this sounds incredibly patronising and snooty, but I think some of those that prostitute/swing are a little indiscreet, they are not showing any respect to those they play with when off-duty. It's like they have found the key to the sweetshop and are stuffing their faces with chocolate rather than quietly slipping a load of pear drops into their pockets for later. Dare I say it, fuck yeah, it's VULGAR. The mere fact that anyone would let all and sundry know they blur the lines says to me that they really don't give a toss about what anyone thinks. This is only good up to a point, then it becomes ignorance and conceit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Must make it clear...as I think things have got twisted...

I am not against prositution...in fact think it should be decriminalised...so that girls can work safely together...regulated..pay tax..get support...with any drug or mental health issues etc.

Totally against woman forced into prostitution..human trafficing..pimping etc.

My objection was about female swingers being effectively called unpaid prostitutes.

I was a swinger..never a free prostitute.

But maybe the nature of swinging...as I knew it and loved it ..is changing and evolving...into something else...what..??? I am not quite sure."
there you go that is exactaly what iam saying everybody live and let live just dont call me a Prostitute

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh deary me.

The 'unpaid prostitute' comments are at best crossed wires.

I personally initially tried to express that I don't have a problem with anyone's choice of sexual enjoyment.

I have stated several times that I am not suggesting swinging and prostitution are the same thing, but that has gone unnoticed, I have tried to make the point that in my opinion it is a little harsh to think of those that 'choose' to work in the prostitution industry as the lowest of the low when we too seek sex beyond what society likes to consider normal.

anyway, I give in, whatever I say gets twisted, yet other demeaning comments are missed.

I will add, be happy in what you choose to do, be happy in your own skin.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

Nobody has once said swingers are "free prostitutes". All anyone has said is that there are similarities - no matter what anyone says there are!

Let's put it this way - if an escort did what they do for NO money, what are they then doing?

Swinging of course!

If a swinger takes money for what they do, then they are basically escorting.

Is anyone seriously not getting this? ^^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My objection was about female swingers being effectively called unpaid prostitutes."

I don't believe that actually happened, I believe that was someone trying to be clever reading between the lines and getting it oh so very wrong.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

I'll try to make it even clearer.

The difference between an escort and a swinger is that the escort takes money for a service, whilst the swinger doesn't take money and isn't offering a service.

That aside, the shagging strangers part is identical. Even the method of contact is identical. From what I can tell reading the above site escorts even by and large have the same rules as swingers in regards to safe sex, preferences etc.

So no, swingers aren't unpaid prostitutes because they aren't offering sex as a "service" - but that is literally the only difference.

I think people in this thread are protesting on the grounds of not wanting to be associated AT ALL with escorts/prostitutes to the point that they're blindly disregarding the fact they have casual sex with strangers ^^

There's a reason the media "bandwagons" on both swingers and escorts/prostitutes in lagely the same way you know

Don't convince yourselves into thinking swinging is an extension of the 1960's free love scenario and everyone sees it that way - for a lot of people, swingers are the lowest of the low - "married couples" having promiscuous sex outside of wedlock; that's inexcusable for large sections of society!

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

Re: TheWolf

I'm sorry to hear about your friend accepting escorting jobs just because she's addicted to money... that is a massive shame and you're right, it would take away the enjoyment of sex I think.

In fact, in many ways they are then a slave to the lifestyle and are essentially tied to it in the same way forced sex labourers are. No matter what I've said in this thread, I am completely against escorting/prostituting if they at any point feel they HAVE to.

But similarly, if a plumber starts out loving his job, yet has to take every job on to keep the money flow going, he will probably eventually hate plumbing.

Same thing right? Except the latter doesn't effect a relationship of course!

I do think you have pretty mighty double standards in regards to saying you believe escorts who swing but don't disclose their job are deceitful and "vulgar"... erm, I'm afraid I can't see how! I mean, I wouldn't expect a full sexual history of every swinger I've met. What's the difference between a woman who has shagged 10 swingers and a woman who has shagged 10 people via escorting? I really can't see what makes a swinger a better person that an escorting client. It appears that you regard an escort as the absolute scum of the earth, whilst swingers are angels of sexual pleasure - when it reality, they're both people who have sex (safe sex 99% of the time) with largely anonymous strangers.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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I suppose you could dress it up as much as you like............but we play these games to add to our sex life when we have time/fancy it, be that once a month/2months etc. We decide when we are going to play as it is for fun only.

Prostitutes sell their bodies to get a wage to be able to live or buy extras and probably sell themselves a lot more than some swingers have sex with strangers.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"I suppose you could dress it up as much as you like............but we play these games to add to our sex life when we have time/fancy it, be that once a month/2months etc. We decide when we are going to play as it is for fun only.

Prostitutes sell their bodies to get a wage to be able to live or buy extras and probably sell themselves a lot more than some swingers have sex with strangers."

Correct - obviously, as a job and providing a "service", escorts will get sick of the "enjoyment" of sex a lot quicker than a swinger will because... well, because of what it is!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Re: TheWolf

I'm sorry to hear about your friend accepting escorting jobs just because she's addicted to money... that is a massive shame and you're right, it would take away the enjoyment of sex I think.

But similarly, if a plumber starts out loving his job, yet has to take every job on to keep the money flow going, he will probably eventually hate plumbing.

Same thing right? Except the latter doesn't effect a relationship of course!

But one set of people charge for it, thats the difference.

I am all for saying that people should do what they want to do and if that means you sell your body, that is up to you..........but the simple facts are, some people charge and are called protitutes, and the people who swing don't charge, so by definiton are not prostitutes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prostitutes sell their bodies to get a wage to be able to live or buy extras and probably sell themselves a lot more than some swingers have sex with strangers."

I agree and never disagreed, this whole thing has been blown out of proportion with little bits being picked at and sensationalised.

I was only trying to state that it all comes down to sex, so I don't like to look down on another's choice of how they go about it. Be that bi guys, prostitutes, or whatever, tell you what though, if I was desperate enough I would combine the two just mentioned and sell my body.....

to science.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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I wasn't techinally answering you Shag, just making my comments known

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wasn't techinally answering you Shag, just making my comments known

Me too, just using your post to advance on.

besides, I had a little joke I wanted to throw in, did you get it, the selling my body to science.

I know, old joke, but I'm tired.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

in answer to both the above that no one has said swingers are basically unpaid prositutes ,hooker escort where you may wish to term them ..i quote

pretty self exsplainitory is it not ?? please exsplain how i have misread the meaning of wets post .no you havent coined the term unpaid prositute i used that as i said before .but by saying that the only difference is the cash is only phrasing it a different way !! same thing .

that is just one of the comments others have said

casual sex ,get paid = escort hooker ect (again pick ur term of choice )

casual sex ,no pay = swingers .

i fail to see how im twistin ,misreading or being to clever about any of those commemnts . plus as i said before alot of the posts were removed by the mods if you remember .

end of day i made my point about how i view swinging to be different to prostution regardless of ,as you put it both sleep with strangers (personally i talk a good while to ppl before even agreeing to a social meet !then if theres a conection and friendship build up things MAY go further.) my view was immediatly retorted with the wonderous comment well what ever you have to to to justify it and make yourself feel beter! as i pointed out to the poster that again was calling swingers prostitutes again if you wish to look back .

so no matter how you want to phrase it or or dreess that up those and other comments have indeed called swingers unpaid prositutes all be it in a slightly different phrasing.maybe the posters didnt like seeing their comparisions made so plainly and direct and not in their more plaitable terminology ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Give it a rest temptress, how about quoting other things I have said? like I don't believe they are the same.

Like a broken record, this was an interesting thread until you turned it into your own personal agenda thread.

I have not said they are the same, I have pointed out there are as many similarities as differences. you have however tried to back me into a corner trying to be smart by trying to put words into my posts.

This is your issue, nobody else's.

Goodnight and sleep tight.

My last reply to you on this particular part of the topic, as it's clear you see what you want to see.

mwah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How strange....

I am not thick...I can read...

I admitted I lived in a 60's free love bubble...and that I liked living there...

Peeps continue to state that the only difference between swingers and prostitutes is the exchange of cash...

Oh well...guess this is an arguement too polarized to reach any consensus on...

I totally disagree that swingers are exactly like prostitutes..apart from the finacial transaction.

I certainly dont look down on prostitutes...up to them..if they choose to earn money that way...their choice...my choice not to earn money that way.

Prostitutes...should be called escorts...all semantics to me...sell sex for money..its prostitution..if you are proud of selling sex..be proud..

I dont want to be a prositute...I dont like being called a prostitute.

I wont be posting any more..its no longer fun.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"in answer to both the above that no one has said swingers are basically unpaid prositutes ,hooker escort where you may wish to term them ..i quote

pretty self exsplainitory is it not ?? please exsplain how i have misread the meaning of wets post. "

Sure I'll explain.

The only difference between prostitutes and swingers is the money factor. However, to charge for something automatically means you are charging for a "service".

That's the difference and why swingers aren't "free prostitutes", because swingers NEVER provide a "service". They aren't selling anything at any point. They're doing something solely for their own gratification.

If you took the money away from the escort, then they aren't "trading" something so they become swingers because the sexual activity is identical; they don't become "unpaid prostitutes".

In fact, there's no such thing as an unpaid prostitute.

That's the best way I can explain it anyway.

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

I dont want to be a prositute...I dont like being called a prostitute.

I wont be posting any more..its no longer fun."

A) You're not a prostitute.

B) Nobody has at any point called you a prostitute.

C) I'm sad you're reading into this like that!

The difference is the money but it's one bloody BIG difference!

If this discussion is upsetting people maybe a Mod should delete it... but it is a shame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are the real old school swingers the key swapping variety who love the thrill of the swing and swapping partners and sharing the experience with your partner to enhance your sex lives that is nothing like prostitution so far from it. And the others the new breed who dont understand the true essence of swinging sees it as an easy way to have sex. I do not class myself as a swinger as I am single but I do enjoy the freedom of the swingers lifestyle and one of the best things that I have loved and found while playing at clubs is self confidence self worth to love my body and most important is not to be judges on my choice of lifestyle.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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This is getting too long to load anyway.

If you want to start another thread it isn't a problem.

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