FabSwingers.com forum: Chameleons or Xtasia??

By *ighclass1000 OP Couple
over a year ago

Hillingdon

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By *ohohoWoman
over a year ago

Up North

I liked them both. What are you looking for in a club?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

most seem to prefer one than the other, a few are happy to alternate and go to either.

people seem to e very protective against 'their' club, and wont hear other opinions about them lol.

we have only been to xtasia, as we arent a fan of the policy of having to e naked/semi naked, there exists at chams, but others like that about it.

xtasia is ok, a nightclub feel in the main room, plenty of places to go for a play, including a dogging area, dungeon and a multitude of bed based play rooms.

bar is decent value, and generally normal pub prices. havent tried the food so cannot comment. staff are lovely, in general.

gripes?

musics too loud (even in the chillout room its less background music and more like a low level disco) and usually aimed at a younger crowd (thats a personal taste thing as our tastes are more based in 60's to 80's music and it all seems to be dance based music, even on normal nights, understand it being so on their phukt evenings or urban ones they have) and so makes it very difficult to talk to people without bellowing down their ears.

as said, cant comment on chams as we havent been, but hope you find this fair and even handed write up of the one we have used useful.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Both good and both bad for entirely different reasons.

Chams good... Always busy, rooms on site, dress down club, good atmosphere.

Xtasia good.... Dress up Club, great music, mainly well dressed presentable people attend, dance, fuck and be naughty all under one roof.

Chams bad... The dress down policy and overt sexual aspect mean that there are frequently people who we doubt anyone would want to be in the same room as, let alone play with. They should introduce an upper age limit and and ugly test.

Xtasia bad... The dress up policy tends to inhibit spontaneous encounters and showering up frequently through the evening can be a PITA.

In short, different strokes for different folks and really depends on your mood and what you want from your evening. I think the Midlands is truly blessed to have two such fantastic Clubs there.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"They should introduce an upper age limit and and ugly "

Wow

Sometimes ugly isn't something you can see!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should introduce an upper age limit and and ugly

Wow

Sometimes ugly isn't something you can see!"

Rather crass comment to start with....!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if chams introduced that rule then i wouldnt be able to go lol .... i often think that they should alter the type of people who go chams but i know thats not gonna happen

We have only been chams, we like the dress code and we wear towels, we find that more fun and more suited to us

We would never go xstasia simply because we like to be able to wear a towel and dont like their dress code, we also arnt keen on night club type places either

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By *ohohoWoman
over a year ago

Up North

OP. - where are you? They are both different types of clubs. What are you looking for ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should introduce an upper age limit and and ugly "

and we were told not to go to liberty elite because the people that go have a superiority complex.

WOW!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should introduce an upper age limit and and ugly test..

Ugly is a personal opinion and it's not always governed by how someone looks. What One person sees as ugly another won't. Also why should they need an upper age limit. If you don't like the look of someone, just don't play to talk to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From our experience though you do have to dress smartly to get into Xtasia once your in there dressing down isn't a problem Morrigan usually ends up in her undies or naked on the dance floor and has never been asked to get dressed. We are overdue a trip to chams, it was the first club we joined and only went to Xtasia as we needed a change.

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

Blimey ,,, better pm to hot next time we go to Chams ,,,,,, dont want to spoil their night

at just over 50 im possibly not to old

but hell im one mean ugly fucker

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

What is it with Brits? Can we not just say it how it is? Why is it OK to mutter and moan behind people's back but not OK to say what everyone in Chameleons was saying on that particular day anyway? Old and ugly single guys spoiled our night.

As it happens it has not put is off, it is still our joint favourite Club with Xtasia but the nature of the dress down, towel arrangement does enable single, old pervs to get too close. Some may like it, we don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you never mentioned guys at all.

your first shot across the bows was an equal opportunities insult.

as said, some ugliness cant be seen in pics, or indeed, exposed by wearing a towel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chameleons every time its a better atmosphere and the staff are far politer and more friendly.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"you never mentioned guys at all.

your first shot across the bows was an equal opportunities insult.

as said, some ugliness cant be seen in pics, or indeed, exposed by wearing a towel

We are all entitled to an opinion and yours appears to be different to ours in respect of a general observation about some people in a Club. No big deal for us, or I presume you.

But you are welcome to keep making barbed comments in our personal direction if it so pleases you. We are thick skinned enough.

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By *ohohoWoman
over a year ago

Up North

I have been to both. Both end up with some people being scantily clad. Never saw a difference in looks of the people who go there. Never had unwelcome attention.

Main difference was Chams is a wet club where you dress down. Great hot tubs. Loads of play rooms.

Xtasia you dress sexy. A few play rooms (not enough private ones for me). More like a night club. Foam party was fun though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chameleons by far the best its a better setup better staff the maze of rooms give privacy not like a warehouse. Xtasia is ok on a big party night but on a quiet night its not so good at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Both good and both bad for entirely different reasons.

Chams good... Always busy, rooms on site, dress down club, good atmosphere.

Xtasia good.... Dress up Club, great music, mainly well dressed presentable people attend, dance, fuck and be naughty all under one roof.

Xtasia bad... The dress up policy tends to inhibit spontaneous encounters and showering up frequently through the evening can be a PITA.

In short, different strokes for different folks and really depends on your mood and what you want from your evening. I think the Midlands is truly blessed to have two such fantastic Clubs there."
with a quote like ugly your super models are you???

How rude!!!!!!

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Both good and both bad for entirely different reasons.

Chams good... Always busy, rooms on site, dress down club, good atmosphere.

Xtasia good.... Dress up Club, great music, mainly well dressed presentable people attend, dance, fuck and be naughty all under one roof.

Xtasia bad... The dress up policy tends to inhibit spontaneous encounters and showering up frequently through the evening can be a PITA.

Think we are off to chams tonight.

Each to their own perception of ugliness. But we want to meet beautiful people too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not meant to put you off .... Fridays and Saturdays are great !

Just an observation and to be fair its still our favourite despite the occasional over population of old guys

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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

Great no one saw my typos as predictive kicked in....

Try again eh...

We generally like both clubs. We started off with a club nearby that was a mistake where you would have thought that would put us off for life.

After that bad place we then went to xtasia. Chameleons reused us entry as one of us was on Crutches and something about insurance policies etc... Xtasia invited us in just explaining they would not be responsible for any injuries caused by the crutches.

Loved Xtasia and went each week. Got to know staff and had great times there. Once the crutches were finished with we took a change and went to Chams. Enjoyed it there but loved the water so that was the clincher. We felt a big upset that someone was in the with one leg (not due to the person but due to the fact we were not allowed). The water is a good part and a bit of food at the end good.

Going round the forums we heard Xtasia ad changed owners and things were changing. We decided to get in touch. Living nearby we popped in when it was closed and got a tour by Paul. We were shocked at all the changes and the future plans. We were told the Jacuzzi was on the plans to be done.... Water.... Competition closing as we do like the water.

We started going to Xtasia again with other incentives taking us there, it was like going to a new club with all the changes. Then on the forum were the words we had been waiting for Jacuzzi open. We tried it and wow, now we got Night Club with wet area.

Pretty much there most weeks. Staff are great and we class them as "friends".

Chameleons and Xtasia are both different types of clubs. It really depends upon the individual. We feel safe and relaxed and although not the broad street type of couple we do like the club feel. A bit of music entertainment. No dancing for me, can't do it, don't do it, won't do it.... Unless you catch us in the building at opening time and some drastic John Travolta go of Saturday night fever kicks in..... Now you know why I do not do it. It is to save you poor People seeing it.

Not knocking Chams staff as they do welcome you but we do feel More comfortable and welcome with xtasia staff.

Nothing to do with our above comments but Xtasia have now given us the odd night to put a bit of karaoke on. We did find that on the karaoke night more people were talking as there was a commen thing to talk about. Who was on the karaoke. The staff were also singing and it was good to see people talking laughing and joking around, it was a good ice breaker. We are running another one on the 28th June there and looking forward to it.

So overall our preference is Xtasia (in general not cause of the karaoke). We also like Chams too and if there was an event at Xtasia that did not tick our boxes then there is a chance we would be back to chams or try a new club. However with the loyalty scheme at xtasia too it makes it a lot more easier to choose between two clubs.

Just happy to know that (in our eyes) the midlands is the top for swingers clubs.

It just does boil down to what you like,

We have not been biased to either club. We like em both but there has to be a winner eh?

Both clubs we find are clean and tidy.

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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

However there is a difference between people who as you say are

Smelly and unkept to Ugly and old.

First of if someone is smelly and unkept then yes your views are valid. Anyone entering a public place should at least make an effort to be clean, presentable and tidy...

However your comment about UGLY and old. Gee I am in trouble here. If you look at my profile I look a right monster and so does my other half. One of us looks like a white monster and the other one a pink monster. Scary eh?

Also the fact of being old. Yep I have a few years that I would have cared to left behind. However I will leave you with one bit of advice. You will be shocked to hear this but.... One day you will be old one day and maybe at the receiving end of this sort of chat. Not sure what age group you are talking about but it is not like you are in your 20's. Not being funny at all but you can not put a comment linking smelly to old and ugly.

People can not help getting old as it is a way of life. No one in this world is ugly, as ugly is the word that people I call shallow use to describe someone that does not fall into a catagory that they have created.

WE ONLY JUDGE ON THE THINGS PEOPLE HAVE CONTROL OVER.....

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Don't let it put you off, it is a great Club and you will have a great time being a Friday night. It is a good place to for some sexy fun, but like anywhere, when you go a lot you get good nights and occasionally nights spoiled by people who (in our opinion) are there to add to the door takings rather than to the party!

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Clearly we are abnormal and should become tree hugging luvvies who offer equal opportunity fucking to every Tom, Dick and sleazo. Funny but so many people at Chams hiss and criticise the sleazo's behind their backs... We choose to tell them to their face to get the fuck away from us. I guess it is the English way to avoid being direct and instead criticise people behind their back and then smile at them as they walk past.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

However there is a difference between people who as you say are

Smelly and unkept to Ugly and old.

First of if someone is smelly and unkept then yes your views are valid. Anyone entering a public place should at least make an effort to be clean, presentable and tidy...

WE ONLY JUDGE ON THE THINGS PEOPLE HAVE CONTROL OVER....."

Single men over 70 years old could....

Trim their nose and ear hair before going out

Shave and use after shave

Shower and smell nice

Trim their pubes, eyebrows and finger/ toe nails

Sort their teeth out

Avoid standing two millimetres away from us

Look in the mirror before going and give themselves an honest critique

All these things could be done but invariably most are not. We do not want old, unkept, ugly people anywhere near us. How hard can that be to understand?

Again, this reflects a type of person that gets into Chameleons because of the nature of the Club. It is still a top, top Club but dirty old (single) men are a particular bugbear of ours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so your good with dirty old ugly single women then, apparently?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"so your good with dirty old ugly single women then, apparently?"

Nice bike by the way. Not that we were looking...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so your good with dirty old ugly single women then, apparently?

Nice bike by the way. Not that we were looking..."

lol, nice most of a bike, the rst is back together.

but its old and dirty.

not your type lol

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

We have an old and dirty v twin in our garage too. FXWG in retro Orange flame

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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"so your good with dirty old ugly single women then, apparently?

Nice bike by the way. Not that we were looking...

lol, nice most of a bike, the rst is back together.

but its old and dirty.

not your type lol

Lol lol lol lol

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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

I understand the comment about dirty people. Just the word ugly was the part. Depends if you are saying ugly face as in looks or ugly in dirty and unclean

Anyway.... You not even looking for 70 year olds

Hope you find what you are looking for. Your profile narrows it down a bit so good luck

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

However there is a difference between people who as you say are

Smelly and unkept to Ugly and old.

First of if someone is smelly and unkept then yes your views are valid. Anyone entering a public place should at least make an effort to be clean, presentable and tidy...

WE ONLY JUDGE ON THE THINGS PEOPLE HAVE CONTROL OVER....."

Thanks for the sermon preacher man. It does not change the way we feel. C'est la vie.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

I understand the comment about dirty people. Just the word ugly was the part. Depends if you are saying ugly face as in looks or ugly in dirty and unclean

Anyway.... You not even looking for 70 year olds

Hope you find what you are looking for. Your profile narrows it down a bit so good luck"

We don't compromise .. Ever.

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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

I understand the comment about dirty people. Just the word ugly was the part. Depends if you are saying ugly face as in looks or ugly in dirty and unclean

Anyway.... You not even looking for 70 year olds

Hope you find what you are looking for. Your profile narrows it down a bit so good luck

We don't compromise .. Ever. "

Do not blame you but maybe you got the wrong idea of our message. We are not having a go or lecturing. Just felt it could have been re worded. We were not having a go at being choosy. We just did not understand the word ugly.

I know some people who a lot of people would class as ugly (in looks) but they loved each other and I am sure if you asked them they would think each other is beautiful.

Yes dirty, smelly etc is terrible. I think those people should not even get into a club (if they are). I hate being near them so yes I do agree. We work a lot with people. It is also bad if someone sprays half a gallon of perfume on them.

We too are very fussy as we just have a certain type of couple we want to meet. As like you we have standards. We just thought the word UGLY (if meant in looks was a little harsh). Many profiles and messages use the word "Chemistry" or if things click or if all are happy. Ugly is just a standard you have set for your meets. Who may appear ugly to you may not appear ugly to anyone else.

We were not having a go or giving a serman but just trying to do as you were and say our thoughts. You had a go saying can Brits not say what they want then you shoot us down for just saying the word ugly was harsh.

Forums are not a place to get a slanging match and I am sorry it has got this far and apologise if our comments annoyed or upset you. Did you not expect a comment back. Anyway, no point if carrying this on as we come on here to meet great peeps and forget the ones we do not like. Believe me we have met some strange people on here too.

Just remember, our comment was not about you lowering your standards but trying to say that each individual sets what level ugly is. I guess people are more suited and unsuited.

But hey, smelly people.... NOOOOOO.

I have pulled up outside a club and Mr has noticed a bit missed while shaving and has gone home. We take pride in our appearence. However if our face does not suit the person we are talking to then there are plenty of more people at a club to talk to. Just did not understand the word UGLY.

Anyway, have a great time swinging (and if you look back at the thread you will see apart from the "Ugly" we were actually on your side to a point).

Ta Ta.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chams is my fave the staff are great fun and the owner works through the minefield of what people want and i think the balance is quite good as for old and ugly well there but for the grace of god . i think that when your 30 and a swinger you have opinions but at what age do you give up doing something you love

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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Chams is my fave the staff are great fun and the owner works through the minefield of what people want and i think the balance is quite good as for old and ugly well there but for the grace of god . i think that when your 30 and a swinger you have opinions but at what age do you give up doing something you love

You don't. Age should not stop anyone doing what they like.

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By *aveandkate35Couple
over a year ago

telford

We've been to both, and to be fair we prefer one over the other, HOWEVER, I'd say try both.

They are both great venues, and very different to each other. Neither is right or wrong, people, us included, tend to prefer one over the other.

I personally love the fact that neither club has tried to "beat the other", rather both tend to play to their own strengths and uniqueness.

Chams is more wet based, but still has bar and pole, whereas Xstasia is club based, but still has a wet area.

I don't think you should discount either without trying both on a couple of different nights.

One thing I will say they have in common is the staff have been great at both clubs, so even if one club isn't to your liking, you'll still have a pleasant time.

Enjoy!

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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"We've been to both, and to be fair we prefer one over the other, HOWEVER, I'd say try both.

They are both great venues, and very different to each other. Neither is right or wrong, people, us included, tend to prefer one over the other.

I personally love the fact that neither club has tried to "beat the other", rather both tend to play to their own strengths and uniqueness.

Chams is more wet based, but still has bar and pole, whereas Xstasia is club based, but still has a wet area.

I don't think you should discount either without trying both on a couple of different nights.

One thing I will say they have in common is the staff have been great at both clubs, so even if one club isn't to your liking, you'll still have a pleasant time.

Enjoy!

D. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We love them both for diffrent reasons but as oldies we still enjoy the music and club scene, we favour xtasia so sas can dress in her sexy undies dresses and heals but we lo e the bubbles at chams

we shouldn't compare the two but embrace the diffrence of the two and enjoy what they offer to suite our moods and needs

Were lucky to have two great venues so close were some areas of the UK have nothing

all the hosts are amazingly friendly and genuine people

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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

One of the main differences between clothed and towel based clubs is to remember spare clothes in the car. Never yet have we seen it but if ever there was a evacuation for any reason I would like to at least go home with clothes on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

".......... Chameleons reused us entry as one of us was on Crutches and something about insurance policies etc............. "

Quite right that the one of you on crutches was refused entry. You`ve been to Chams and are fully aware of the stairs throughout the building. It doesn`t need much imagination to realise how much of an investment the club is for the owners in order for it to be an earner. Any breach of insurance conditions laid down by Chams` insurers could have a catastrophic effect on the club, it`s owner`s finances and it`s staff`s employment.

I can`t comment as for ALL of your party being refused admission though no doubt if one of the party couldn`t go in, it does make life a bit difficult for the others, especially if you`re all travelling together.

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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

".......... Chameleons reused us entry as one of us was on Crutches and something about insurance policies etc.............

Not going to go into it in too much detail but first of all the person had been on crutches a long time (years) and could do stairs better then some of the walkers. We understand that anywhere can refuse admission should they wish. Their reason was because of the crutches but our problem was when we finally got in there when the crutches were no longer needed we did once see a person on crutches with one leg. One rule for one and one for others. We have not fell out with the club over it and we only included it in this thread as we were going on about how we got started and our choices on what club we went to. Either way it was a long time ago and not an issue now but we were upset back then. Every club has the right to refuse admission without having to give a reason. It was just a shame the rule was not for all. Oh well shit happens eh.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

".......... Chameleons reused us entry as one of us was on Crutches and something about insurance policies etc.............

Fair enough! Sounds like it was different staff applying the rules to suit.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

Having preferences is all well and good, we all have them but some choose to accept that swinging can encompass more than just those we wish to fuck. Its got nothing to do with tree hugging, just tact and diplomacy.

People aren't getting defensive they are incredulous at your insinuation that only those you see fit to go to chams should go. Your talk of telling people to fuck off to their face is laughable, perhaps if you only want to beautiful swingers to touch you it would be best to stick to invite only parties, that way the undeserving among us would not mistakenly let our gaze fall upon your body and we would not be wondering when we will be told to fuck off should we forget who we are in the company of.

Being rude and being assertive are 2 very different things. You can be assertive without being rude and arrogant.

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over a year ago

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

You make a really good argument for going where you are not on here. People all have choices and so many of us would hate to be around obnoxious and unpleasant people but if we do end up somewhere you are we will be sure reiterate this face to face with you.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

I understand the comment about dirty people. Just the word ugly was the part. Depends if you are saying ugly face as in looks or ugly in dirty and unclean

Anyway.... You not even looking for 70 year olds

Hope you find what you are looking for. Your profile narrows it down a bit so good luck

We don't compromise .. Ever. "

Your choice who you play with. Think your being rude talking about " ugly " people but after lookin at your pictures and seeing a few bear cock very close to a pussy we'd wouldn't want you near us because we might catch something. Just our choice as yours is about ugly people. Rather play with " ugly " safe and clean people than beautiful risky people

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

I understand the comment about dirty people. Just the word ugly was the part. Depends if you are saying ugly face as in looks or ugly in dirty and unclean

Anyway.... You not even looking for 70 year olds

Hope you find what you are looking for. Your profile narrows it down a bit so good luck

We don't compromise .. Ever.

We don't have sex with bears. You must be confusing us with someone else.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

Why do you feel the need to turn a general comment into a personal one. It strikes me that there must be some inordinately sensitive people on here to take such offence at the word "ugly" when used in such general terms.

We don't play with ugly people, we don't like ugly people and we don't mix with ugly people..

Is it so offensive in a England to say such a thing? Is it better to be snide and nasty behind someones back whilst smiling innocently at them as they walk on by? Yes, that does sounds like the English thing to do come to think of it.

Considering that you know nothing about us it is a pretty big assumption to make just because we used the word ugly. It could have been worse - we could have said fat and ugly...

imagine the storm in a tea cup then.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

This is a factual statement , and whichever way you wanna twist the poster makes a valid point .

Chams is our favorite club too but the amount of old guys is sometimes too much .

Sod the each to their own bollocks , and more so the everyone is beautiful sycophantic crap - some nights are full of 65+ aged guys following you round and it spoils it .

Oh you're putting us off it now

Can't understand why everyone is getting so defensive because we don't like old, ugly people. We don't like people with dirty finger nails and we don't like people who smell either.

Lighten up folks, we are all particular about who we let get close and clearly some are more particular than others

Being rude and being assertive are 2 very different things. You can be assertive without being rude and arrogant. "

So what we should do is sit at the top of the stairs being rude about people and smile at them innocently as they walk past? We have moved away from people for just such bitching many, many times at Chameleons.

The plain and simple fact is that the dress down nature of Chameleons means that from time to time the type of people that we don't like (ugly, old single guys) are in numbers that make us feel uncomfortable. If you feel that we should phrase that in a different way just to be politically correct then so be it. But it does not change the fact that it is true.

Just to add that despite this getting blown out of all proportion by overly sensitive people.. Chameleons is still our joint favourite Club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

one persons ugly is another persons prince/princess.

im sure all these 'hot' men that meet are scrupulously clean and tested at all times, as said, a few BARE cocks near pussies for our liking too.

i fully appreciate your standpoint on this subject, _oo hot, and agree with you about not wanting people you dont want to be around, being close to you.

it is your type of attitude (again, not necessarily bad or good) that is stopping us from going to a club such as chams.

absolutely not interested in having people get up and walk away from us/me, just because i dont look like wesley snipes of jason statham in a towel.

hence why the preference for xtasia, as at least i can wear a nice shirt and trousers there.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"one persons ugly is another persons prince/princess.

im sure all these 'hot' men that meet are scrupulously clean and tested at all times, as said, a few BARE cocks near pussies for our liking too.

i fully appreciate your standpoint on this subject, _oo hot, and agree with you about not wanting people you dont want to be around, being close to you.

it is your type of attitude (again, not necessarily bad or good) that is stopping us from going to a club such as chams.

absolutely not interested in having people get up and walk away from us/me, just because i dont look like wesley snipes of jason statham in a towel.

hence why the preference for xtasia, as at least i can wear a nice shirt and trousers there."

We like Xtasia too.. For the same reason.

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over a year ago

"one persons ugly is another persons prince/princess.

im sure all these 'hot' men that meet are scrupulously clean and tested at all times, as said, a few BARE cocks near pussies for our liking too.

i fully appreciate your standpoint on this subject, _oo hot, and agree with you about not wanting people you dont want to be around, being close to you.

it is your type of attitude (again, not necessarily bad or good) that is stopping us from going to a club such as chams.

absolutely not interested in having people get up and walk away from us/me, just because i dont look like wesley snipes of jason statham in a towel.

hence why the preference for xtasia, as at least i can wear a nice shirt and trousers there."

I would think that if someone is rude enough to get up and walk off to avoid sitting next to someone, they will do that in any club. Towels or clothed.

We're off to Chams soon. I'm very interested to see what it's like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chameleon as my car is safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Both good and both bad for entirely different reasons.

Chams good... Always busy, rooms on site, dress down club, good atmosphere.

Xtasia good.... Dress up Club, great music, mainly well dressed presentable people attend, dance, fuck and be naughty all under one roof.

Xtasia bad... The dress up policy tends to inhibit spontaneous encounters and showering up frequently through the evening can be a PITA.

In short, different strokes for different folks and really depends on your mood and what you want from your evening. I think the Midlands is truly blessed to have two such fantastic Clubs there."

Some people are ugly on the inside so a test at the door wouldn't show them as being ugly !

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By *ohohoWoman
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't believe some of the posts we have read in here. One thing to remember everyone has feelings and we all get old and some do get fat. We have often had great chats with the latter as they often have a great personality . However we never progress to play . As for the question both clubs are different and one mans cup of tea is not to everyone's taste . Both are lovely clubs . Go to both make your own mind up . We hope this helps but most likely get slatted by the angry brigade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both are good how about Chams on a Friday and Xtasia on a Saturday. I enjoy doing that when I have my weekend full of swinging in Birmingham. Or you can go to Chams on a Sunday instead or as well. I have also been guilty of doing that.

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By *ambslass48Woman
over a year ago

Peterborough

I'm ugly and older so I best not go lol

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

The day we stop talking or even liking older people or those we consider ugly will be the death of our personalities and even more so the death of the way we'd like ourselves to be viewed.

The social side of a club is more important to us and it's the mix of different people in our opinion that make it that way. We don't have to have sex with people who are out of desired range but we will not be excluding them/their conversation, these conversations can definitely enhance your night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You guys may feel that swinging is an equal opportunity pastime and everyone is allowed in your close intimate space. We don't.

Smelly, unkept, ugly and old guys getting too close is just not our thing. Fumbling for a wrinkled chipolata amongst a bush that was last trimmed in WW2 is NOT a turn on for us.

However there is a difference between people who as you say are

Smelly and unkept to Ugly and old.

First of if someone is smelly and unkept then yes your views are valid. Anyone entering a public place should at least make an effort to be clean, presentable and tidy...

WE ONLY JUDGE ON THE THINGS PEOPLE HAVE CONTROL OVER....."

OLD IS GOLD

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