FabSwingers.com forum: NAS Drives

By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

Hi to all the Techy people on here !

After some advice on cloud / Nas drives if anyone can recommend a decent one ?

I was thinking of Seagate 4tb but the reviews seem to say that the transfer rate was slow

any help advice appreciated

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Check out the hp micro server proliant get it for 94 approx after cash back

Absolute bargain

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

Hi guys

Thanks for the info ! Can this be accessed remotely as on the Seagate cloud version ?

Thanks again

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Hi guys

Thanks for the info ! Can this be accessed remotely as on the Seagate cloud version ?

Thanks again "

I can assume this can do whatever you tell it to.

All depends what software you install etc.

I use mine as a media centre but people are doing loads to it.

Just google microserver proliant and loads of info.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Overclockers and av forum have great threads on them

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich

PC Pro's labs winner is the Synology DiskStation DS214play. Review days superb and super fast.

I have a Netgear ReadyNAS.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Hi to all the Techy people on here !

After some advice on cloud / Nas drives if anyone can recommend a decent one ?

I was thinking of Seagate 4tb but the reviews seem to say that the transfer rate was slow

any help advice appreciated

M "

I bought the 750gb wd red. Its a classy drive, a little faster than a 5400 drive though it is supposed to have inteli-speed up to 7200.

They were tested for 3 yrs up and downloading 10GB of data. Not one .

I don't know of any other brands though, it was the same price if not cheaper than equivalent drives

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Not one failed) that was supposed to say

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Ooo all these techno-geeks in one place. Im getting a hard on

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Ooo all these techno-geeks in one place. Im getting a hard on

I do like to know my enemy

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

don't know how much of a benchmark this is, but it will transfer a 1.5gb video file to a Seagate momementus 5400, in about 30-40secs.

NAS drives are for 24/7 use, not speed as I believe.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

"PC Pro's labs winner is the Synology DiskStation DS214play. Review days superb and super fast.

Would be my recommendation as well. Very easy to connect to over the net. They have IOS and Android apps for accessing music and vids remotely

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

The microservrr has 4 bays so you can add extra gbs whenever you want.

Also can add more ram.

If you want a good weekend project, you can tell it to do whatever you want.

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

Thanks for everyone's help & advice but our budget will only stretch to around £150 max including the storage & unit and ideally would like a min of 2tb any other solutions ?

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

Buy a 2 bay NAS enclosure and a 2TB drive to go in it. When budget allows add a second drive for data security.

buy a single disk NAS such as the 2TB WD MyCloud.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Buy a 2 bay NAS enclosure and a 2TB drive to go in it. When budget allows add a second drive for data security.

buy a single disk NAS such as the 2TB WD MyCloud.

The proliant is a 4 bay has server, absolute steal

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

And needs an operating system and software to be installed. Oh and a CD/DVD drive unless your going to load this from a hard drive. And a hard drive. You could go down the road of Linux etc to keep costs down but in the end you'd still end up with an overcomplicated single bay NAS with less functionality than an off the shelf product. And given the OPs stated requirements I think that might be an issue.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

why not just buy a decent used i3/i5 tower, that has minimum 4gb ram, and ghost the operating system to a new drive?

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

Hi guys

Thanks again for all the advice

But at the end of the day I'm a Builder ( not a hairy arsed one either before the sarcasm starts lol ) and not a PC whizz kid when people start talking of seperate drives & operating systems it goes way over my head

I like the idea of adding more storage at a later date but unsure how this is done

Thanks again

Back to the bathroom fitting -

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simply put ALL NAS systems are similar,

Speed is not important if you are accessing it over the web, they are all fast enough, slowest bit will be the web!

If you can buy one that will have 4 empty drive bays plus 1 x 2Tb drive,this will allow you to grow the system later on by adding more drives.

Configuration to your spec will take about 1 - 2 hours, local geeks are usually crap builders, look for a labour swap!

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

"Simply put ALL NAS systems are similar,

Speed is not important if you are accessing it over the web, they are all fast enough, slowest bit will be the web!

If you can buy one that will have 4 empty drive bays plus 1 x 2Tb drive,this will allow you to grow the system later on by adding more drives.

Configuration to your spec will take about 1 - 2 hours, local geeks are usually crap builders, look for a labour swap!"

Sounds sensible to me happy to offer advice / work for a budding techy to help us out nothing sexual just time for time ( that's if people still do the

Old adage of favour for a favour )

Thanks again

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

it'll be hard to build/buy one for your budget, I'd say (but I'm not a tekki at all)

what will you be using it for? Media or business use? NAS drives are usually for small companies needing regular access to info/applications

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The proliant micro servers are excellent and fantastic value !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ooo all these techno-geeks in one place. Im getting a hard on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im defo a techno geek lol

Jamie

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

"it'll be hard to build/buy one for your budget, I'd say (but I'm not a tekki at all)

what will you be using it for? Media or business use? NAS drives are usually for small companies needing regular access to info/applications

Hi thanks mainly media ,photos etc but like the idea of accessing remotely if required

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

"Im defo a techno geek lol

Jamie

We can vouch for that Jamie has helped on other PC related issues

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"it'll be hard to build/buy one for your budget, I'd say (but I'm not a tekki at all)

what will you be using it for? Media or business use? NAS drives are usually for small companies needing regular access to info/applications

Hi thanks mainly media ,photos etc but like the idea of accessing remotely if required

Maybe just think about a large hard drive and appropriate software then. Have someone install it to your existing PC, and you should be able to get it for your budget. A hard drive with 7200rpm disc speed will help loading times

(Hope someone can find you a solution)

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

Can I do a small hijack and ask a techie question while all the geeks are here ?

I want to upload an access database to the cloud so a colleague can work on it. That parts easy. But I want to be able to prevent anyone else (including me) working on it while the colleague does and vice versa. I know sharepoint has a library system where you 'check out' a document so no one else can get to it, but is there any other free solution ?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

password protect - have it known that if the doc is read only then they can modify it, if it's already open then to not ammend?

Is there not some kind of way to have multiple copies of the doc and set different passwords to then amalgamate to a master doc?

#notgotcluejusthrowingitoutthere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in It and god this is boring lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Access is quite capable of being a multi-user database. so there shouldn't be any problems. BUT it's not a long term solution for cloud use, gets quite slow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have 6tb WD MYCLOUD easy set up great to use, can use it all over the world. I use it to serve my blu Ray DVDs photos music. across my net work so the kids don't wreck the discs, can be accessed by smart Tvs (no pun intended). It also has iTunes server. They do all sizes to suite your £ needs.

Pm if you want to know more.

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

"I work in It and god this is boring lol "

I could always quote trada calcs & structural loads !

Now that would be boring

But I'm just after some friendly advice

And as I don't work in IT more advice the better

Apologies for boring you

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

"Access is quite capable of being a multi-user database. so there shouldn't be any problems. BUT it's not a long term solution for cloud use, gets quite slow."

But that's the problem. If more than one person work on it at the same time and make changes then which set of changes are saved. I want to restrict it so only one person can work on it at a time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£150 isn't much to play with I'm afraid due to the high cost of hard drives still.

I would seriously recommend a 2-bay one and putting two drives in raid-1 so you get some sort of redundancy should one of the drives fail and you won't lose all your stuff.

2x2tb hard drives will pretty much eat up your budget though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2x 2tb WD RED server drives £151.60 with out the server.

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By *enninemarkMan
over a year ago

huddersfield/manchester

I got a wd 2tb my cloud nas drive. Fantastic. Automatic backup. Remote access even on my android phone!

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By *heCrowAndButterflyCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

To be honest a NAS is over complicating things, what your trying to achieve can be done with iCloud, Google Drive etc. unless you are looking to use if for streaming purposes these will be totally fine for what you want, and if you run out of space you can go for a paid service which will give you more space to play with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest a NAS is over complicating things, what your trying to achieve can be done with iCloud, Google Drive etc. unless you are looking to use if for streaming purposes these will be totally fine for what you want, and if you run out of space you can go for a paid service which will give you more space to play with

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lol true very limited on space. Google snooper

Microsoft do a good service on sky drive or now sky one drive.

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By *ymph and ManicCouple
over a year ago

North East

Hi ... since seems lots of techies about ... I went to re start pc after Iit been off for couple months .. and the dreaded ... read disc error... message came up on screen ... ... advise please .. even pretty please ..... lol

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

"2x 2tb WD RED server drives £151.60 with out the server. "

That sounds good to me any idea approx cost of a server ?

Thanks again M

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

a 4tb red drive is £139, though you dont have the fail safe of a second drive

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

try a disc checkup, AVG do fee security with a one time only "fix performance now" function that is dont by PC Tune Up. It essentially checks for adware, errors on your disc/registry and cleans it all up

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By *ogamuffinMan
over a year ago

slough

"Can I do a small hijack and ask a techie question while all the geeks are here ?

Could think abouts using Microsoft TFS for the cloud?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Use windows to run a disk check up, open a command prompt window and type "chkdsk " you will be then need to restart the machine and a disk check will run after restarting. If there are errors on the disk windows will repair them unless the disk has totally failed in which case your screwed lol

Hope that helps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hi ... since seems lots of techies about ... I went to re start pc after Iit been off for couple months .. and the dreaded ... read disc error... message came up on screen ... ... advise please .. even pretty please ..... lol "
if you PC don't boot at all chances are the little cr2032 battery is dead inside and you bios is Not seeing your hard drive, pm if this is the case.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

Could think abouts using Microsoft TFS for the cloud?

The cloud part isn't the problem. It's making sure that only one of us accesses the database at any one time, otherwise there is a danger that we'll both be making changes at the same time and the files will get out of sync.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Micro server is good start point within budget £149.99 after cashback.

Has a 250gb to start u off and can add extra disks as u go along.

Though if u happy with non new, buy second hand tower desktop,sata motherboard intel/amd unimportant add a 3tb disk or two and a giga lan card install xbmc on pc, and get pi with xbmc from amazon to plug into tv done,add drives to tower as needed.

If u set on nas u can get cheap dual drive disks aswell under £100 on ebuyer

But shop around for best price

Dabs

Ebuyer

Overclockers

Ccl

Also checkout gumtree and studentlaptops for reconditioned kit

There is also a recycling plant at briton ferry triple e that specialises in pc recycling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can I do a small hijack and ask a techie question while all the geeks are here ?

Have a look at option for shared access database (mdb)

( // office. microsoft. com / en-gb / access-help / set-options-for-a-shared-access-database-mdb-HP005188297. aspx

Might help with what ur looking for. Also look at boxcrypt for extra security.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

But shop around for best price

Dabs

Ebuyer

Overclockers

Ccl"

aria and scan are usually very keenly priced too

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

big thanks to all the friendly people that have taken their time to offer advice we are in your debt

on a lighter note if anyone ever wants an building /plumbing advice then please do not hesitate to ask

not pitching for work just happy to offer friendly advice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just had my daily message from Maplins they have a 4Tb Cloud activated NAS server on offer for £169 at the moment. doesn't say what actual disk configuration is in it but bargain price and close to your budget.

Search for:-

Maplins WD 4TB My Cloud NAS External Hard Drive

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

Thanks guys will pop in over the weekend I think it's the Seagate version not sure if they are as good as Western Digital !

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Seagate are fine - they test their drives just as hard I'd expect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like Samsung drives.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

put a samsung evo ssd in the other day - my laptop geekmode has gone mental

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"put a samsung evo ssd in the other day - my laptop geekmode has gone mental"

Good choice sir!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"put a samsung evo ssd in the other day - my laptop geekmode has gone mental"

Have fitted several SSD's of late they are most definitely the way forward !

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"put a samsung evo ssd in the other day - my laptop geekmode has gone mental

Good choice sir!"

thing is it's not as if a regular hd doesnt do the job. But for £60 and the reduction time of boot up, it's a great way to save you waiting around

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By *andm288 OP Couple
over a year ago

oxford

Guys now you are just confusing me thought that the Seagate drive was best option

But what are SSD? Not Std obviously but did have to read twice lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guys now you are just confusing me thought that the Seagate drive was best option

But what are SSD? Not Std obviously but did have to read twice lol"

SSD - Solid State Drive, basically a massive flash drive if you like, no moving parts and MASSIVE speed increase.

Have a 128GB SSD for my OS only and can boot in under 10 seconds to desktop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guys now you are just confusing me thought that the Seagate drive was best option

But what are SSD? Not Std obviously but did have to read twice lol"

Don't worry about SSD (solid state drive), they aren't really for large storage at the moment (they come in smaller sizes but are much quicker than normal hard drives partly due to not being mechanical and no moving parts). We were just getting out geek on.

All drives are much of a muchness so just get what make you can afford really. I just have a preference to Samsung but would have no issues getting Seagate or WD if they were a decent price.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Guys now you are just confusing me thought that the Seagate drive was best option

But what are SSD? Not Std obviously but did have to read twice lol"

Same as what people have already said.

SSD = solid state drive. They are just fot speed not storage at the mo, unless you have about £400 for a big one (and even that is only 1tb - so dont bother looking)

Seagate, WD and Samsung are the big manufacturer names of hard drives and they come in varying performance speeds that will increase boot up times or reliability depending what specs you get.

The HD speeds are 5400 rpm, 7200 rpm and 10,000 rpm. WD have introduced Inteli-speed (which stays at the standard 5400rpm but can increase to 7200rpm if under load) 10,000 rpm drives again are not available with 4tb of space.

NAS drives are usually the slower 5400rpm drives - simply because they are designed for longevity not boot up speeds. But you do see the difference in something appearing on your screen with the faster 7200/ssd drives.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

to add - a hard drive, is a hard drive, is a hard drive. I think they all last as long as each other and it's pot luck if they last or fail. A generic hd will last years, a NAS drive (still made by seagate or wd or whoever) should theoretically last longer, but it's just another label for a general HD.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speed of the drive is not the key factor on a NAS.

Speed is the slowest point in the link, on a NAS that will be the network speed 1000bits per second on a clear high speed cabled network, 54bits per second on a wireless link (if you are lucky!)

SO longevity is your answer Seagate and WD are very good drives, I would rate Samsung slightly higher but that is more speed than longevity on which all are equally likely to stop when you least desire it, but not for a long time!

SATA3 is capable of speeds faster than a mechanical drive can physically deliver, SATA2 was just a fraction over the mechanical speed limit, so SSD's day is dawning. EVO 250Gb just went into my desktop, leaving the 5 year old 128Gb to go into my laptop, both are now much improved

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

I dont know why more people dont go for the evo - It has the highest read/write speeds of any and is usually cheaper. The reviews say they have been tested very hard too.

Tery and June... Have you enabled/loaded magician software (I think it is) that comes with the evo - apparently this gives an option to enable a 'rapid' function to get those 520mbs speeds?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Have you enabled/loaded magician software"

Yes... but have not noticed a difference, it's a fraction of a tenth of a second on most files.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

" Have you enabled/loaded magician software

Yes... but have not noticed a difference, it's a fraction of a tenth of a second on most files."

thanks

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