FabSwingers.com forum: Safe sex

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just with a few interesting facts (and some of my observations) regarding so-called 'safe sex'.

FACT(S):

1. Ever wondered why every condom manufacturer states the efficiency against conception (98% or something akin to that), but not a word is said about efficiency against STD transmission (well, now some mention vague 60-ish% against some truly irrelevant infections)?

2. Research well all the serious STDs - statistically and medically relevant, those that have severe repercussions and common occurrence; research their modes of transmission and - wow! - guess what: they are ALL transmitted, well... same as many other diseases, that is by DIRECT CONTACT. Rubella can also be transmitted sexually, yet it is not classified as an STD: because most occurrences happen at too young age. Let's think - kissing, fingering, exchange of body fluids, watersports, spit, saliva and spunk all over the place, oral, anal... but a condom will make a difference...?

(Especially, that skin on genitals is more prone to infection than, say, armpits, rest of the crotch, mouth... eyeballs...? Respiratory tract?) Oh, and, of course, when two ladies play with a vibe (just outside on the clit), they change condoms, covering this vibe to prevent touching gentle skin with each others' bodily fluids (YUK!, right? That would be GRUESOME! No...?)

OBSERVATIONS:

1. LOGIC seems to be long dead in this fading democracy... Easy solutions - put a rubber sock over Your willys, guys, and we're all SAFE! And it's cheap, too - keeps the illusion believable, economy-stimulating and going... F*ck avoiding drugs and drinking, proper hygiene - after all a person with compromised immunity has same probability of become infected and infect others as a healthy one, no? And f*ck regular checks - these are too complicated and embarrassing, especially since a rubber glove-finger is so ostentatious... almost like chewing Wrigley's supports good dental health - everyone sees You chewing, smells kinda minty and fresh -that must be THE thing!

2. BULLS**T is rampant, but weak, soft and unimaginative people are worse. How about safe skydiving, or safe scuba, safe bungee jumping? I'm not saying screw parachutes, harnesses and safety tanks - just saying, that when engaging in a 500 mph uncontrolled vertical dive, You probably want a shot of adrenaline (and, when You objectively think about it, wearing a helmet might be comforting, supported by all authorities and regulations, yet the chance of it actually saving Your life if the safety line fails is null...). If You want a warranty - buy Yourself a new toaster; want safety - stay home, watch a telly, wank off and go to bed! Dangerous fun - anyone remembers that any more? And do us all a favor, please - when You get there, do swab Your arm with alcohol before cutting Your veins committing suicide...

Kind regards,

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

eh?

Are you for or against the use of condoms?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep.

It's Thursday!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wrap the sausage. No glove no love!

Simples.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"eh?

Are you for or against the use of condoms?"

I'm against following facts rather than whipped-up frenzy; and facts say that condoms do very little to prevent infections of any kind.

Regarding one-line rhyme-quoting geniuses below: reduce-reuse-recycle! (Sounds smart too, eh?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tying your laces before you have a shag down in Epping Forest.

Taking off your socks if the flooring in her house is laminate.

...et al.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Centre for disease control seems to disagree

"Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly, are highly effective in preventing the sexual transmission of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. In addition, consistent and correct use of latex condoms reduces the risk of other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including diseases transmitted by genital secretions, and to a lesser degree, genital ulcer diseases. Condom use may reduce the risk for genital human papillomavirus (HPV) infection and HPV-associated diseases, e.g., genital warts and cervical cancer."

"Laboratory studies have demonstrated that latex condoms provide an essentially impermeable barrier to particles the size of HIV"

"Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly, reduce the risk of transmission of STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, and trichomoniasis."

"Genital ulcer diseases and HPV infections can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered. Consistent and correct use of latex condoms reduces the risk of genital herpes, syphilis, and chancroid only when the infected area or site of potential exposure is protected. Condom use may reduce the risk for HPV infection and HPV-associated diseases (e.g., genital warts and cervical cancer)."

I'm not going to die every single time I drive my car without a seatbelt and there is a chance I will still die wearing one, but its far safer to wear one than to not. We use condoms, practise safe sex and get tested regularly because while we enjoy this life style we also like to minimise the risk to us, not eliminate but minimise.

I'm never sure why the "anti condom" brigade always need to tell us how wrong we are for wanting to lower our risk and come out with all this baseless "they are lying to you" crap about condoms and protection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Safe sex is having sex with a girl who doesn't know where you live

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"eh?

Are you for or against the use of condoms?

I'm against following facts rather than whipped-up frenzy; and facts say that condoms do very little to prevent infections of any kind.

Regarding one-line rhyme-quoting geniuses below: reduce-reuse-recycle! (Sounds smart too, eh?)"
I like to follow researched evidence- there will never be a guarantee. It is about making sex safer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Coming out of highschool and going into college I can attest to the fact that condoms definitely do help lower the risk of catching/ spreading different a forms of sexually transmitted infections. And until couples get married I would advise that you take precautionary measures. When you sleep with a person you are sleeping with everyone they have slept with as well..

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I don't like condoms so I'm going to quote a load of ill-informed guff about how ineffective they are to justify my preference for bareback. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""I don't like condoms so I'm going to quote a load of ill-informed guff about how ineffective they are to justify my preference for bareback. ""

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"eh?

Are you for or against the use of condoms?

I'm against following facts rather than whipped-up frenzy; and facts say that condoms do very little to prevent infections of any kind.

Against following facts???

(Sorry someone had to point out what I am certain is a typo but made me snigger pedantically

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"eh?

Are you for or against the use of condoms?

I'm against following facts rather than whipped-up frenzy; and facts say that condoms do very little to prevent infections of any kind.

Regarding one-line rhyme-quoting geniuses below: reduce-reuse-recycle! (Sounds smart too, eh?)"

Sorry but I genuinely don't understand. I think the first line of your reply is round the wrong way but other than that I don't know what you mean by reduce, reuse, recycle.

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By *ancmannMan
over a year ago

manchester / Liverpool

this is what happens when people with too much time on their hands are given access to the Internet!

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"eh?

Regarding one-line rhyme-quoting geniuses below: reduce-reuse-recycle! (Sounds smart too, eh?)

Sorry but I genuinely don't understand. I think the first line of your reply is round the wrong way but other than that I don't know what you mean by reduce, reuse, recycle."

Wash 'em out when you are done and use them again?

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

Condoms decrease the risk but the risk is still there, ie safe sex does not exist because even with a condom a risk is there

There are 2 zealot groups on here that either think there's no risk it's all propaganda or that condoms are heaven sent and they're absolutely fine as long as they use them and try to assinate barebackers

Both are misguided in my view

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

I'm not exactly sure if this is for or against but, here's my view:

I like to think of it as a zombie appocalypse. You have two choices - Either baracade your property and do the best you can to protect yourself and your loved ones or... You can leave the door wide open and greet each walker with a hug.

Your choice.

- Amy. x

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"eh?

Regarding one-line rhyme-quoting geniuses below: reduce-reuse-recycle! (Sounds smart too, eh?)

Sorry but I genuinely don't understand. I think the first line of your reply is round the wrong way but other than that I don't know what you mean by reduce, reuse, recycle.

Wash 'em out when you are done and use them again?

Lol that would get the neighbours talking when you hung them on the line.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I'm not exactly sure if this is for or against but, here's my view:

Your choice.

- Amy. x"

Perfect analogy!

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

safe sex is no sex at all , have a wank

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so what your saying is, you dont want to meet anyone cuz you dont want to wear a jonny as you reckon its just as safe not to.

well, good luck with that my friend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"safe sex is no sex at all , have a wank

safe sex is make sure the missus is at work

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

"safe sex is no sex at all , have a wank

safe sex is make sure the missus is at work

thats so true lol mine is at work .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Centre for disease control seems to disagree

Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly, are highly effective in preventing the sexual transmission of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. In addition, consistent and correct use of latex condoms reduces the risk of other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including diseases transmitted by genital secretions, and to a lesser degree, genital ulcer diseases. Condom use may reduce the risk for genital human papillomavirus (HPV) infection and HPV-associated diseases, e.g., genital warts and cervical cancer.

Laboratory studies have demonstrated that latex condoms provide an essentially impermeable barrier to particles the size of HIV

Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly, reduce the risk of transmission of STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, and trichomoniasis.

Genital ulcer diseases and HPV infections can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered. Consistent and correct use of latex condoms reduces the risk of genital herpes, syphilis, and chancroid only when the infected area or site of potential exposure is protected. Condom use may reduce the risk for HPV infection and HPV-associated diseases (e.g., genital warts and cervical cancer).

CDC is not very reliable tbh, but let's examine that: reduces risk. Yeah - BY HOW MUCH? Answer - nobody knows, because relevant research was never made. Research made says that all these pathogens cannot come through the condom. FINE - this is not what I questioned! By the way: if any condom manufacturer had any numerical data, they would have made it their selling point; they don't.

I didn't say it doesn't help - merely that it helps almost as much as a helmet for a motorcyclist: World-wide there are rules forcing to wear helmets and all official and government institutions support that, although numbers are ruthless - they reduce the risk of death by less then 1% and risk of permanent injury - by less then 5%.

Condom stops HIV-size particles... REALLY?! Doesn't it stop particles size of a molecule of water (orders of magnitude smaller)?? It's not about the condom and cock You gullible people - it's about scrotum, throat, gums, eyeballs - they are much more prone to contract, then a dick. Want to try have sex with condom with sby having herpes simplex or rubella...? NO?! Why...? - well, we all know the answer to that one.

All the accusations of preferring bareback - condom is a tad like wearing socks for bath, yet still - don't mind some inconvenience at all, provided it makes some real difference. But it doesn't, that's all. In other words sure I'd wear it, but I know it is no precaution and I prefer med exam results to a dick-glove...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't do drugs kids!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its when you fuck in a bank vault you cant get safer than that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I lost will to live halfway though o p post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I lost will to live halfway though o p post

Halfway??

You made it that far????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think I will go a listen to the archers

Bye!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Using condoms may not be 100% safe, but they're still safer than nothing at all. So guess what I'll be doing.

PS I also get tested regularly so I'm not just crossing my fingers and hoping.

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Don't do drugs kids!!

Yet another "I know better than all these people who spent their lives in research" post.

If you're at the point where you are out of hand rubbishing the findings of an organisation like the CDC then I expect you to present your scientific credentials and white paper study to show the counter point, otherwise just accept you're wrong enjoy your bareback fun and leave those of who dont want to alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't do drugs kids!!

Yet another "I know better than all these people who spent their lives in research" post.

Phew - saw the quote and thought that was aimed at me for a second!

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Phew - saw the quote and thought that was aimed at me for a second!

I did worry about that but I knew you were intelligent enough to work it out

I also cant be arsed quoting him!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

condoms dont stop every infection ?. well they still stop most dangerous STDs which is what they are for, what else do you want them to do ? cure cancer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Phew - saw the quote and thought that was aimed at me for a second!

I did worry about that but I knew you were intelligent enough to work it out

I also cant be arsed quoting him!

Valid points!

And quoting me used less internet paper and ink!

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By *exystargirlWoman
over a year ago

Warrington

People can do as they wish, it's their choice. I've often felt at gathering that i'm the condom police with my wand and handculfs.

Alot of people have the view that all that bad stuff it happens to other people in a far away land and then state "nothing wrong with me and my partner were clean" insulted you asked and turn it back on you for implying there dirty.

If people choice to play bare with people they know over time and trust them, i'd not have 1 issue with that as alot of people on here have small circle of friends. If a couple was having meets, every few days, going clubs, also had individual profiles then that means, lots of sex with tons of people= increases the chance of an sexual STD being past about

There will be people out on the town tonight who will have a one nighter bareback with a stranger they just met and the risk is there but often forgotten.

Nothing wrong with people having their own views or opinion but they shouldn't try and force their views on other people

Would you have sex with a Pornstar bareback?

They are having regular tests every few weeks and make sure the people they fuck have upto date tests results. People think pornstars carry all types of crazy shit but if your not getting regular checks done yourself, if just for your own peace of mind then how do you know your clean

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I lost will to live halfway though o p post

Halfway??

You made it that far???? "

Oh how intelligent - You read less then a half, wish not to discuss a single point made, yet - You are the one to knows better? Who is full of bs here, huh?

Regarding my credentials and CDC - they advocated drugs and therapies that left thousands dead and handicapped, yet now they seem to know better? Funny... In the 50s and 60s smoking was recommended and prescribed by doctors... and they all had great credentials. Guessed why? Yup, money

Law prohibits claims that are not substantiated - that's why no condom manufacturer can state certain claims (although they would if they could and that would boost sales sky high). But hey, sheeple - too much writing is baaahhhh-booorinnn' and telly knows betterr...

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By *em4ejacWoman
over a year ago

Cougarville

Tested august and November .

All Clean but will go regular as it was recommended by the doctor at the clinic why I informed him I was meeting guys off Fabswingers .

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"I lost will to live halfway though o p post

Halfway??

You made it that far????

Oh how intelligent - You read less then a half, wish not to discuss a single point made, yet - You are the one to knows better? Who is full of bs here, huh?

If you don't want to wear a condom, then don't. There are plenty of women out there who won't mind. But if I want to, regardless of the science behind it, then don't have a go at me for doing so. OK? OK? Fab!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Tested august and November .

All Clean but will go regular as it was recommended by the doctor at the clinic why I informed him I was meeting guys off Fabswingers . "

I've got my quarterly check-up next Tuesday. I feel the free condoms are the least I can get for having a cotton-bud up my foofoo.

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By *ex.IncCouple
over a year ago

Castleford

Is the soapbox free? I need to stand on it to make me look taller.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry if I sound judgmental, but I'd be curious to know if the OP has ever needed to be treated for an STD of if there is any little OP's living without their father right now...

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Sorry if I sound judgmental, but I'd be curious to know if the OP has ever needed to be treated for an STD of if there is any little OP's living without their father right now...

The problem with going bareback and getting tested is that if you've caught something you stand a good chance of passing it on to all and sundry until the next test. I prefer to reduce the risk in advance, and I'm not sure why the OP thinks that's a bad thing.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Lol.

P.S. That beer belly is showing around your arse mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even if condoms only reduce the risk of contracting or passing on STDs by 2% then count me in. It's 2% more of a chance that I have of walking away from a meet unharmed.

Any reduction in risk, no matter how small, is a good reduction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone thought that you could get std from fingering someone. Just wonder if there is market for finger condoms

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