FabSwingers.com forum: Profiles asking for payments

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is it allowed on this site ,party invites with fees surely a fine line between swinging and prostitution

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

asking for money for sex is not allowed,

covering expenses of a shared venue, I imagine is perfectly normal,

Say 4 people book a suite at a hotel, a 4 way split seems reasonable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it allowed on this site ,party invites with fees surely a fine line between swinging and prostitution "

Well if you're hosting a party and you're charging admission then no it's not prostitution it's a party!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"asking for money for sex is not allowed,

covering expenses of a shared venue, I imagine is perfectly normal,

Say 4 people book a suite at a hotel, a 4 way split seems reasonable."

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By *leasurexxWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

It's totally different asking for a small amount to cover the costs of a party..silly question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist."

so couples dont go to swingers clubs then?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sharing costs is not an issue ,however one someone profits from organising a private party surely that is crossing the line ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sharing costs is not an issue ,however one someone profits from organising a private party surely that is crossing the line ?"

How do you know their costs? If you think it's unreasonable don't go. If you think they are offering commercial services report it. There's not much more to it than that surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sharing costs is not an issue ,however one someone profits from organising a private party surely that is crossing the line ?"

It's not prostitution therefore they aren't crossing a line

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Surely if a private party all costs should be shared equally between the guests no profit £50 single males £25 couples and single females

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Surely if a private party all costs should be shared equally between the guests no profit £50 single males £25 couples and single females "

Single females will generally pay between £10-£15 to go to a party and the people who host the party have right to keep the money from that party, especially if they've done it in they're own home

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You are therefore charging people to enter your house to partake in sexual activity ,and profiteering from that ,therefore is that not immoral earnings ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You are therefore charging people to enter your house to partake in sexual activity ,and profiteering from that ,therefore is that not immoral earnings ? "

is a club charging people to pay an entrance fee to partake in sexual activity and profiting money not immoral? no and neither is a party

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"You are therefore charging people to enter your house to partake in sexual activity ,and profiteering from that ,therefore is that not immoral earnings ? "

There's a fine line between covering expenses and taking the piss. As someone said earlier, if you think its too much, don't go.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

At the end of the day this is an adult swing site where like minded people should arrange to enjoy there time together for no fees ,as soon as money comes into the equation for a PRIVATE party in my opinion that is unacceptable ,IMHO as soon as money crosses hands in a private environment to partake in sexual activity then that is a form of prostitution

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist."

I agree it's totally wrong, women should pay the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sharing costs is not an issue ,however one someone profits from organising a private party surely that is crossing the line ?

How do you know their costs? If you think it's unreasonable don't go. If you think they are offering commercial services report it. There's not much more to it than that surely? "

Fully agree with this.

Have paid to attend private parties and will do so in the future.

Food and drinks provided and hell they need the extra money to help cover clean up!

Wish those who do parties all the luck - they are hard work!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I agree it's totally wrong, women should pay the same"

sense at last , its about time women paid the same as guys do for sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist."

I'm sure any single female club goer would appreciate you referring to them as 'bait'

And the reasons for the differing prices have been discussed ad infinitum on the forums. Without any form of 'control' on numbers no women would attend, fewer couples would attend and you're left with a club full of single guys.

And what a happy bunch they'd be!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You are therefore charging people to enter your house to partake in sexual activity ,and profiteering from that ,therefore is that not immoral earnings ? "

No. They are charging people to cover costs. Hotel suite, electricity, gas, water , nibbles, sandwhiches, drinks. Couch wear and tear whatever they like. If you dont fancy that seek something else. If strangers end up fucking each other thats a consenting adults motif. Febreeze and wipes needs to be paid for you know.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I agree it's totally wrong, women should pay the same"

I think couples should pay the same. Two people getting in for less than the price of one? Strange thing to do.

However, as all clubs know, the moment they drop costs for single men they would be full of single men, and the moment they raise costs for couples and single women, they would be full of single men. As Manrider says, the women are 'bait', and once there is no bait, there is no reason to go, and so no club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also A couple will possibly spend twice as much on drinks than one person, so club isn't losing out.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"also A couple will possibly spend twice as much on drinks than one person, so club isn't losing out."

Most clubs are unlicensed, so people take their own drinks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I agree it's totally wrong, women should pay the same

I think couples should pay the same. Two people getting in for less than the price of one? Strange thing to do.

Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!

But then you'd have single women coupling up (I suspect with no problems finding dates) to get in - and single guys complaining about being barred entry.

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"You are therefore charging people to enter your house to partake in sexual activity ,and profiteering from that ,therefore is that not immoral earnings ? "

Dude if you don't agree stay away from these places. There's plenty of us who don't mind parting with the couple of quid that goes towards covering costs or damages at a house party or licences and wages at a club. A small price to pay for fun as I'm sure most will agree.

How much would you expect to spend cruising your local bars pubs and pubs on the off chance you might pull?? At least everyone else who's paid to get into these parties or clubs is there for the same reason!!

You pays your money, You takes your chance!!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I agree it's totally wrong, women should pay the same

I think couples should pay the same. Two people getting in for less than the price of one? Strange thing to do.

Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!

But then you'd have single women coupling up (I suspect with no problems finding dates) to get in - and single guys complaining about being barred entry.

I would not be interested in a couples only club, and wouldn't couple up to go to one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I agree it's totally wrong, women should pay the same

I think couples should pay the same. Two people getting in for less than the price of one? Strange thing to do.

Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!

But then you'd have single women coupling up (I suspect with no problems finding dates) to get in - and single guys complaining about being barred entry.

I would not be interested in a couples only club, and wouldn't couple up to go to one."

The problem being most single women and couples wouldn't be interested in attending a club massively over-attended by single males.

Hence the need for some form of control. The simplest being a varying price structure such as exists today. The only other way would be a 'quota' for single guy entry - either on a first come first served basis - or some other means. But then guys would still complain it's unfair!

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I agree it's totally wrong, women should pay the same

I think couples should pay the same. Two people getting in for less than the price of one? Strange thing to do.

Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!

But then you'd have single women coupling up (I suspect with no problems finding dates) to get in - and single guys complaining about being barred entry.

I would not be interested in a couples only club, and wouldn't couple up to go to one.

The problem being most single women and couples wouldn't be interested in attending a club massively over-attended by single males.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I agree it's totally wrong, women should pay the same

I think couples should pay the same. Two people getting in for less than the price of one? Strange thing to do.

Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!

But then you'd have single women coupling up (I suspect with no problems finding dates) to get in - and single guys complaining about being barred entry.

I would not be interested in a couples only club, and wouldn't couple up to go to one.

The problem being most single women and couples wouldn't be interested in attending a club massively over-attended by single males.

Of course, and there are only so many ways to regulate numbers. I am happy enough if clubs choose to do couples only nights, but the whole club being couples only? Not my scene.

And although you are not saying this, I do find it irritating when 'couples only' nights allow single females. I am happy to go only on a mixed night, so don't understand why single men are the only ones excluded from 'couples only' evenings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People always shout Prostitution When money is involved, partys i go to partys that charge 5 single woman,20 couples and 35 single men

They are organised partys hiring a venue,paying atleast 3 bouncers a dj so have music and maybe a barperson,food and initial buying soft drinks

Its not in there own home

Does it matter if they make a slight Profit,,they put alot of work into providing these events,im happy to contribute as they provide what official clubs eg eureka,radletts ect do and people dont mind paying to go to them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't see no harm in people charging to go to a party.

It is up to individuals if they choose to have sex there

I think personally it should be a price for all, I can't understand why the single male has to pay more.

Nette

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!"

Couples don't need to pay money to have sex, they have a partner, so wouldn't be happy paying a commercial price for a night out, ( about £50 )

unless there were men available for sex.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I'm sure any single female club goer would appreciate you referring to them as 'bait'

And what a happy bunch they'd be!

Any holes a goal, and they'll still be straight!

Op: report it to the police immediately. People are holding a gun to your head and demanding money with menace to attend a private sex party!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I'm sure any single female club goer would appreciate you referring to them as 'bait'

And what a happy bunch they'd be!

pulling straws too see who ends up in the glory hole

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I agree it's totally wrong, women should pay the same

I think couples should pay the same. Two people getting in for less than the price of one? Strange thing to do.

Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!

But then you'd have single women coupling up (I suspect with no problems finding dates) to get in - and single guys complaining about being barred entry.

I would not be interested in a couples only club, and wouldn't couple up to go to one.

The problem being most single women and couples wouldn't be interested in attending a club massively over-attended by single males.

Of course, and there are only so many ways to regulate numbers. I am happy enough if clubs choose to do couples only nights, but the whole club being couples only? Not my scene.

Do clubs not allow single girls to Couples only nights because it's deemed a safer/less pressure atmosphere? Would a lady not feel overwhelmed if on her first visit to a club she was surrounded by single males making advances?

I'm sure this may be the main reason they allow females to these nights. Also many female halves of couples want to explore their Bisexuality so it's good to have an abundance of lady's in attendance. Those that like multiple men go to greedy girls nights etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!"

Couples don't need to pay money to have sex, they have a partner, so wouldn't be happy paying a commercial price for a night out, ( about £50 )

unless there were men available for sex.

You;ve never been to a club have you? And you never stop to think about them from beyond your own perspective?

As a couple we go to clubs to meet couples. Single females and single males hold little interest. We pretty much only want to meet couples.

And an average night at a swinging club costs us around £60-70 (including admission and fuel) which we don't think is excessive for a night out for the 2 of us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!"

Couples don't need to pay money to have sex, they have a partner, so wouldn't be happy paying a commercial price for a night out, ( about £50 )

unless there were men available for sex.

You;ve never been to a club have you? And you never stop to think about them from beyond your own perspective?

As a couple we go to clubs to meet couples. Single females and single males hold little interest. We pretty much only want to meet couples.

And an average night at a swinging club costs us around £60-70 (including admission and fuel) which we don't think is excessive for a night out for the 2 of us"

Same here if not more if a hotel is included

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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""Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!"

Couples don't need to pay money to have sex, they have a partner, so wouldn't be happy paying a commercial price for a night out, ( about £50 )

unless there were men available for sex.

You;ve never been to a club have you? And you never stop to think about them from beyond your own perspective?

As a couple we go to clubs to meet couples. Single females and single males hold little interest. We pretty much only want to meet couples.

And an average night at a swinging club costs us around £60-70 (including admission and fuel) which we don't think is excessive for a night out for the 2 of us"

The last time I went to a social (no sex intended *whistles*) I spent the best part of £50, so its not just sexy fun times that can cost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!"

Couples don't need to pay money to have sex, they have a partner, so wouldn't be happy paying a commercial price for a night out, ( about £50 )

unless there were men available for sex.

You;ve never been to a club have you? And you never stop to think about them from beyond your own perspective?

As a couple we go to clubs to meet couples. Single females and single males hold little interest. We pretty much only want to meet couples.

And an average night at a swinging club costs us around £60-70 (including admission and fuel) which we don't think is excessive for a night out for the 2 of us

Same here if not more if a hotel is included "

Last time we went for a meal it cost more than that , so definitely better value going to swingers club than a restaurant

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

Need to know basis

"asking for money for sex is not allowed,

covering expenses of a shared venue, I imagine is perfectly normal,

Say 4 people book a suite at a hotel, a 4 way split seems reasonable.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Surely if a private party all costs should be shared equally between the guests no profit £50 single males £25 couples and single females

Single females will generally pay between £10-£15 to go to a party and the people who host the party have right to keep the money from that party, especially if they've done it in they're own home"

Nope.

In five years we have been to probably about 15 parties or more, ranging from small gatherings of half a dozen couples, to much bigger ones, with hot-tubs and buffets, and no-one attending has been asked to pay. We have often offered to contribute to the buffet, and the most we were allowed to bring was a plate or two of nibbles.

Some "contributions" that we have seen asked for are ridiculous, one, just for guys, "guaranteed" them some fun with one of the three girls there... the cost.... a mere £100 for two hours.

Another, £50 per couple, and they were "limiting" the numbers to 20 couples... not a bad nights work, £1000!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!"

Couples don't need to pay money to have sex, they have a partner, so wouldn't be happy paying a commercial price for a night out, ( about £50 )

unless there were men available for sex.

You;ve never been to a club have you? And you never stop to think about them from beyond your own perspective?

As a couple we go to clubs to meet couples. Single females and single males hold little interest. We pretty much only want to meet couples.

And an average night at a swinging club costs us around £60-70 (including admission and fuel) which we don't think is excessive for a night out for the 2 of us"

Fuel, entry and drinks usually ends up costing Fox and I around £80-100 on a club night.

And we often don't have sex with anyone but eachother. If we're staying, as we are at the end of the month, at the hotel for the weekend - you can chuck another £80-100 on top.

Is that less than most single guys begrudge paying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!"

Couples don't need to pay money to have sex, they have a partner, so wouldn't be happy paying a commercial price for a night out, ( about £50 )

unless there were men available for sex.

You;ve never been to a club have you? And you never stop to think about them from beyond your own perspective?

As a couple we go to clubs to meet couples. Single females and single males hold little interest. We pretty much only want to meet couples.

And an average night at a swinging club costs us around £60-70 (including admission and fuel) which we don't think is excessive for a night out for the 2 of us

Fuel, entry and drinks usually ends up costing Fox and I around £80-100 on a club night.

And we often don't have sex with anyone but eachother. If we're staying, as we are at the end of the month, at the hotel for the weekend - you can chuck another £80-100 on top.

Is that less than most single guys begrudge paying?"

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

""Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!"

Couples don't need to pay money to have sex, they have a partner, so wouldn't be happy paying a commercial price for a night out, ( about £50 )

unless there were men available for sex.

You;ve never been to a club have you? And you never stop to think about them from beyond your own perspective?

As a couple we go to clubs to meet couples. Single females and single males hold little interest. We pretty much only want to meet couples.

And an average night at a swinging club costs us around £60-70 (including admission and fuel) which we don't think is excessive for a night out for the 2 of us

Fuel, entry and drinks usually ends up costing Fox and I around £80-100 on a club night.

And we often don't have sex with anyone but eachother. If we're staying, as we are at the end of the month, at the hotel for the weekend - you can chuck another £80-100 on top.

Is that less than most single guys begrudge paying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would ask the OP if he's ever tried hosting a party in his own home. If not, then please consider the costs in time, finance and energy required for such an undertaking. I have organised many parties at mine and trust me, the cost can be huge. That said, I have never sought a single penny from any of my guests, but I do not begrudge making a contribution when I get a return invite.

The choices are to go to a club where I'd have to pay silly money, competing with other single males in the hope that I might "get off" or the relaxed, more personal atmosphere of a private house party where the hosts have put considerable effort to make for a great evening......a small contribution is the very least I could do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Surely if a private party all costs should be shared equally between the guests no profit £50 single males £25 couples and single females

Single females will generally pay between £10-£15 to go to a party and the people who host the party have right to keep the money from that party, especially if they've done it in they're own home

Nope.

Some "contributions" that we have seen asked for are ridiculous, one, just for guys, "guaranteed" them some fun with one of the three girls there... the cost.... a mere £100 for two hours.

Another, £50 per couple, and they were "limiting" the numbers to 20 couples... not a bad nights work, £1000!

I've only seen parties that you pay entrance for

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"I would ask the OP if he's ever tried hosting a party in his own home. If not, then please consider the costs in time, finance and energy required for such an undertaking. I have organised many parties at mine and trust me, the cost can be huge. That said, I have never sought a single penny from any of my guests, but I do not begrudge making a contribution when I get a return invite.

Spot on!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Surely if a private party all costs should be shared equally between the guests no profit £50 single males £25 couples and single females

Single females will generally pay between £10-£15 to go to a party and the people who host the party have right to keep the money from that party, especially if they've done it in they're own home

Nope.

Some "contributions" that we have seen asked for are ridiculous, one, just for guys, "guaranteed" them some fun with one of the three girls there... the cost.... a mere £100 for two hours.

Another, £50 per couple, and they were "limiting" the numbers to 20 couples... not a bad nights work, £1000!

I've only seen parties that you pay entrance for"

I've never been to a private party where I've been asked for anything more than to bring a bottle!

*said no to plenty where I've been asked for cash though!

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

Inflated entry fees for single men is always quoted as being a way of limiting the number of single men who attend clubs. Why not simply limit the number of men allowed in?? It's not a difficult thing to do, when they reach the limit no more in, simples. Or am I missing something?

Seems like an excuse to charge them more to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A nite out in London's West end can easily cost £150 .. So £50 at a swing club is a bargain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Inflated entry fees for single men is always quoted as being a way of limiting the number of single men who attend clubs. Why not simply limit the number of men allowed in?? It's not a difficult thing to do, when they reach the limit no more in, simples. Or am I missing something?

Seems like an excuse to charge them more to me. "

And after you've spent an hour or so getting ready, booked your cab and turned up at the door to be told - 'sorry, but the single guy limit just got reached by the guy in front of you' - and you're sent on your way.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sharing costs is not an issue ,however one someone profits from organising a private party surely that is crossing the line ?

It's not prostitution therefore they aren't crossing a line"

You are right, it's not prostitution, but if you're making a profit it's pimping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hold regular parties. I provide food n soft drinks. I don't charge.

I leave an honesty box out and people may , ifthey wish, contribute towards catering and cleaning of sheets/duvets etc.

Normally doesn't cover costs but hey-ho whats the problem.....

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

Seems like an excuse to charge them more to me. "

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By *ingjayMan
over a year ago

exeter

I think the op has got the wrong end of the stick about what a party/club is, it's not just a place to go and have sex, it's a social gathering of like minded people who may shar the same interests sex wise, but you are not going to pay for sex nor are you guaranteed it, I took my Fuck buddy Saturday to a club and we only fucked each other, but we met some great people and made some good friends, and that's what it's about,

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

Would I be wrong in saying the Higher entrance fee's for males at clubs is possibly/partly a way of making it less accessible for (I have to be careful here) let's say a certain type of clientele??

We have been to clubs where it's £15 on the door and clubs and organised events where it's been £150 and there is a massive difference in the standard of venue and in some cases the guests! Shallow as that may sound,sometimes you get what you pay for!!

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By *n need of helpCouple
over a year ago

hull

take a woman you just met for drinks .that ok ? cost you money .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would I be wrong in saying the Higher entrance fee's for males at clubs is possibly/partly a way of making it less accessible for (I have to be careful here) let's say a certain type of clientele??

So old, overweight, bald rich guys with zero personality and a tendency to letch (but with big wallets) get in over Chippendale looking guys 99% of women would go weak at the knees for (but are currently broke) don't.

Yeah - I'm sure that's exactly why clubs do it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would I be wrong in saying the Higher entrance fee's for males at clubs is possibly/partly a way of making it less accessible for (I have to be careful here) let's say a certain type of clientele??

Yeah - I'm sure that's exactly why clubs do it!

Is that how you do it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sharing costs is not an issue ,however one someone profits from organising a private party surely that is crossing the line ?

It's not prostitution therefore they aren't crossing a line

You are right, it's not prostitution, but if you're making a profit it's pimping. "

clubs and parties are not pimping...profits are used to cover the cost for hiring the venue, food, drink, cleaning up etc so it doesn't all go to the person/people who host the party

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would I be wrong in saying the Higher entrance fee's for males at clubs is possibly/partly a way of making it less accessible for (I have to be careful here) let's say a certain type of clientele??

Yeah - I'm sure that's exactly why clubs do it!

Is that how you do it?"

That was a 'sarcastic' eye roll!

Club price structures aren't there to filter out a type of single guy - there are rich arseholes and poor.

It's nothing more than number management to keep the WHOLE customer base happy - including the single guys!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would I be wrong in saying the Higher entrance fee's for males at clubs is possibly/partly a way of making it less accessible for (I have to be careful here) let's say a certain type of clientele??

Yeah - I'm sure that's exactly why clubs do it!

Is that how you do it?

That was a 'sarcastic' eye roll!

Club price structures aren't there to filter out a type of single guy - there are rich arseholes and poor.

It's nothing more than number management to keep the WHOLE customer base happy - including the single guys!!"

Its pretty evident there are rich and bald assholes as you put it most on here are well aware.

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"Would I be wrong in saying the Higher entrance fee's for males at clubs is possibly/partly a way of making it less accessible for (I have to be careful here) let's say a certain type of clientele??

Yeah - I'm sure that's exactly why clubs do it!

It was just a thought!

And like I said in some cases there can be a big difference.

Knew I was skating on thin ice

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"Is it allowed on this site ,party invites with fees surely a fine line between swinging and prostitution

Well if you're hosting a party and you're charging admission then no it's not prostitution it's a party!

If its a free party its not but if its a fee paying party the hosts could be arrested as its classed as prostitution, its taking money for sex or implying sex will go on for an agreed fee.

Check your local councils polices as some vary.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"You are therefore charging people to enter your house to partake in sexual activity ,and profiteering from that ,therefore is that not immoral earnings ? "

Yes, charging any money for implied sex is classed as immoral earnings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it allowed on this site ,party invites with fees surely a fine line between swinging and prostitution

Well if you're hosting a party and you're charging admission then no it's not prostitution it's a party!

If its a free party its not but if its a fee paying party the hosts could be arrested as its classed as prostitution, its taking money for sex or implying sex will go on for an agreed fee.

Check your local councils polices as some vary.

They aren't paying for sex, they're paying to go to a party where sex might happen, should clubs be classed as charging for prostitution?

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"Is it allowed on this site ,party invites with fees surely a fine line between swinging and prostitution

Well if you're hosting a party and you're charging admission then no it's not prostitution it's a party!

If its a free party its not but if its a fee paying party the hosts could be arrested as its classed as prostitution, its taking money for sex or implying sex will go on for an agreed fee.

Check your local councils polices as some vary.

They aren't paying for sex, they're paying to go to a party where sex might happen, should clubs be classed as charging for prostitution?"

Clubs are being refused new licenses in some places as the government are trying clean up towns & cities, not giving your name of course ring your local council & ask & they will tell you.

If its a £5-£10 fee (for a house party) police would usually overlook it but rip off merchants charging people £30- £50 a time (for a house) obviously are earning money through sex or implied sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it allowed on this site ,party invites with fees surely a fine line between swinging and prostitution

Well if you're hosting a party and you're charging admission then no it's not prostitution it's a party!

If its a free party its not but if its a fee paying party the hosts could be arrested as its classed as prostitution, its taking money for sex or implying sex will go on for an agreed fee.

Check your local councils polices as some vary.

They aren't paying for sex, they're paying to go to a party where sex might happen, should clubs be classed as charging for prostitution?

Clubs are being refused new licenses in some places as the government are trying clean up towns & cities, not giving your name of course ring your local council & ask & they will tell you.

If it was me I'd charge single fems £10 couples £20 and single guys £25 (limited numbers) that would be to cover costs of the venue, food, drinks, cleaning up etc, and if there was some left over I would put that towards the next party, I wouldn't keep it for myself

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Is it allowed on this site ,party invites with fees surely a fine line between swinging and prostitution

Well if you're hosting a party and you're charging admission then no it's not prostitution it's a party!

If its a free party its not but if its a fee paying party the hosts could be arrested as its classed as prostitution, its taking money for sex or implying sex will go on for an agreed fee.

Check your local councils polices as some vary.

They aren't paying for sex, they're paying to go to a party where sex might happen, should clubs be classed as charging for prostitution?

Clubs are being refused new licenses in some places as the government are trying clean up towns & cities, not giving your name of course ring your local council & ask & they will tell you.

And if you're only charging £10, why bother?

A few nibbles, some soft drinks, free condoms and lube from the clinic and a double load for the washing machine is hardly a burden in return for a good night with friends.

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By *ingjayMan
over a year ago

exeter

"Is it allowed on this site ,party invites with fees surely a fine line between swinging and prostitution

Well if you're hosting a party and you're charging admission then no it's not prostitution it's a party!

If its a free party its not but if its a fee paying party the hosts could be arrested as its classed as prostitution, its taking money for sex or implying sex will go on for an agreed fee.

Check your local councils polices as some vary.

They aren't paying for sex, they're paying to go to a party where sex might happen, should clubs be classed as charging for prostitution?

Clubs are being refused new licenses in some places as the government are trying clean up towns & cities, not giving your name of course ring your local council & ask & they will tell you.

Surely the single guys are the ones who make the least mess

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By *arlock69Man
over a year ago

Batley... (near Leeds)

We host parties and wouldn't even think about charging our guest but I've seen ads on here charging single women £5, couples £15 and and single guys £25...now no one can say that's to cover costs...guests are deffo been charged for sex!!!

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"Is it allowed on this site ,party invites with fees surely a fine line between swinging and prostitution

Well if you're hosting a party and you're charging admission then no it's not prostitution it's a party!

If its a free party its not but if its a fee paying party the hosts could be arrested as its classed as prostitution, its taking money for sex or implying sex will go on for an agreed fee.

Check your local councils polices as some vary.

They aren't paying for sex, they're paying to go to a party where sex might happen, should clubs be classed as charging for prostitution?

Clubs are being refused new licenses in some places as the government are trying clean up towns & cities, not giving your name of course ring your local council & ask & they will tell you.

And if you're only charging £10, why bother?

A few nibbles, some soft drinks, free condoms and lube from the clinic and a double load for the washing machine is hardly a burden in return for a good night with friends."

Exactly £20-£30 would be enough to cover any party for food, soft drinks etc so charging every person is only for a profitable business, why charge single guys even more if its not for profit.

We have been to loads of house parties where we have been asked for £10 to cover the costs but that's for the same for ladies & guys too so anymore is pure profit...not saying its wrong to have an earner but it is illegal

Clubs do have to pay for premises, staff etc so you expect to pay a bit more.

Swinging is lumped into the sex industry as lots profit from sex or implied sex.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"We host parties and wouldn't even think about charging our guest but I've seen ads on here charging single women £5, couples £15 and and single guys £25...now no one can say that's to cover costs...guests are deffo been charged for sex!!!"

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By *uby In StockingsTV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle

Once again I am appalled at the conclusion drawn by the op that as soon as you hand money over to someone it entitles you to sex, I've been to clubs, parties, socials and allsorts of other meets and never have I took it for granted that by paying to get in gives me some sort of unalienable right to have sex there, stop confusing swingers clubs and parties with prostitution please and move on, xxx

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"Once again I am appalled at the conclusion drawn by the op that as soon as you hand money over to someone it entitles you to sex, I've been to clubs, parties, socials and allsorts of other meets and never have I took it for granted that by paying to get in gives me some sort of unalienable right to have sex there, stop confusing swingers clubs and parties with prostitution please and move on, xxx

There is no difference among the two, if fees are charged even for the thought of implied sex then its immoral earning, nothing confusing really even though some swinging clubs have licenses like lap dancing clubs private paying house parties are illegal.

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By *orthwest_cplCouple
over a year ago

Stretford

""Or they'd just switch to being couples only! There's a few clubs like that around and they've been open a while - and seem to do ok!"

Couples don't need to pay money to have sex, they have a partner, so wouldn't be happy paying a commercial price for a night out, ( about £50 )

unless there were men available for sex.

Your ignorance of the club scene, and swinging in general, shines out.

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By *uby In StockingsTV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle

We're never going to agree on this, I believe there is a world of difference between visiting a prostitute and paying her for a sexual service and paying entrance to a club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never been to one but I believe that it earn money from men if they could they would try to make money from the male part of the couple as well they charge the lady much less to get them all in. As they say all men think with their cocks and will pay

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

We're never going to agree on this, I believe there is a world of difference between visiting a prostitute and paying her for a sexual service and paying entrance to a club."

Both are thought of as sordid by the vanilla status quo as its a way of people meeting for sex, if you want a drink its free in a pub unlike swinging clubs, house parties,prostitutes that charge for a sexual or implied sexual sevice.

Justify why guys are charged £50 plus if its not for anything but profit through the implied promise of sex.

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By *uby In StockingsTV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle

We're never going to agree on this, I believe there is a world of difference between visiting a prostitute and paying her for a sexual service and paying entrance to a club.

Justify why guys are charged £50 plus if its not for anything but profit through the implied promise of sex."

I still think you're missing the point, the point being, if you pay a prostitute £50 for sex then you will be guaranteed sex, if you pay £50 to get in a swingers club or party, there is no guarantee of sex, end of story.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

We're never going to agree on this, I believe there is a world of difference between visiting a prostitute and paying her for a sexual service and paying entrance to a club.

Justify why guys are charged £50 plus if its not for anything but profit through the implied promise of sex.

So guys pay out £50 to go to a swinging club when the pub is free lol!

No guys pays out that money unless he thinks he is going to get something.

Why not charge the guys the same as single women, couples then...even if its only implied sex or sex money is exchanged for profit through sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We're never going to agree on this, I believe there is a world of difference between visiting a prostitute and paying her for a sexual service and paying entrance to a club.

Justify why guys are charged £50 plus if its not for anything but profit through the implied promise of sex.

So guys pay out £50 to go to a swinging club when the pub is free lol!

No guys pays out that money unless he thinks he is going to get something.

Why not charge the guys the same as single women, couples then...even if its only implied sex or sex money is exchanged for profit through sex."

Just because you pay to get into a club doesn't guarantee sex, neither does a party, my local charges £25 for single guys entrance so it's hardly extortionate when you have drinks on top you're looking at about £35 in total for one night

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

on the OP's question no its not allowed but if anyone thinks its not going on then they're probably a tad naive..

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

We're never going to agree on this, I believe there is a world of difference between visiting a prostitute and paying her for a sexual service and paying entrance to a club.

Justify why guys are charged £50 plus if its not for anything but profit through the implied promise of sex.

So guys pay out £50 to go to a swinging club when the pub is free lol!

No guys pays out that money unless he thinks he is going to get something.

Why not charge the guys the same as single women, couples then...even if its only implied sex or sex money is exchanged for profit through sex.

If both are not similar then why do councils treat them the same, clubs use loop holes & some are losing their licenses with new clamp downs whereas private paid swinging house parties are not allowed legally by any council in the UK...check & you will see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never asked for payment. If I did I might offer instalments lol

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

There is nothing wrong with someone earning money through sex or implied sex but they should not try to sweeten it up as though one is wrong & the other isn't...how can people be so moralistic on a swinging site lol!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its simple...you either want to go therefore you pay for going...

Or you dont!...

We have payed to go to a house party to be quite honest,we was well catered for lovely hosts too. snacks & drinks are own room with clean fresh beding gourgous ect...en suite bathroom too!..

Was a night of pure filth & lust;-)...we had a fab time!...so I guess look into what your getting for your money the company thats going to be there ect...may well be worth it!...bargin for us it was!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I'm sure any single female club goer would appreciate you referring to them as 'bait'

And what a happy bunch they'd be!

Controls can be put in place by clubs without extortionate price for males. Quite somply on any given night allow a set number of single guys in say for example 20 on first come first served basis.

That way no need to bleed the men dry all the time.

Sadly clubs use blokes as a cashcow.

I was asked by a couple i know to go to a club next week. When i checked the vost which was 50 quid because i am single male and non member i will not pay that money.

Clubs can choose how they operate but no one is going to fleece me just because of my gender and status.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think clubs that charge much more for single guys is prostitution, the guys are paying inflated prices, and have expectations of having sex,

Quite often single women are allowed in free, to be used as bait, so the club attracts single men.

Without the single men paying high admission prices, swinging clubs wouldn't exist.

I'm sure any single female club goer would appreciate you referring to them as 'bait'

And what a happy bunch they'd be!

Controls can be put in place by clubs without extortionate price for males. Quite somply on any given night allow a set number of single guys in say for example 20 on first come first served basis.

That way no need to bleed the men dry all the time.

Sadly clubs use blokes as a cashcow.

I was asked by a couple i know to go to a club next week. When i checked the vost which was 50 quid because i am single male and non member i will not pay that money.

Clubs can choose how they operate but no one is going to fleece me just because of my gender and status.

As I stated earlier - first come first served wouldn't work!

How happy would anyone be if they've spent time getting ready, money/fuel on travel - only to be turned away at the door as the 'quota' was full? Pre-booking wouldn't work as we all know the tendency of some to commit and then no show.

And many clubs simply 'don't' charge extortionate rates for either membership or entry. Higher for single males, yes - but there are many clubs where the difference is minimal, and guys are happy with the cost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I still think you're missing the point, the point being, if you pay a prostitute £50 for sex then you will be guaranteed sex, if you pay £50 to get in a swingers club or party, there is no guarantee of sex, end of story."

maybe that's why single guys are often accused of being pushy, of course there is an implied promise of sex, and if there are not enough women able to satisfy the need, its understandable they would feel ripped of, hence women are usually admitted free, or at a highly reduced rate, a club operates to make money, for no other reason, its what business is about, supply and demand, if you think someone takes the trouble, stress and financial risk to open a club or organise parties and not make money, I think you have it wrong, SEX SELLS, it always has done and always will do.

Of course some people love socialising and will have private house parties, just because they enjoy the company, and they have the facilities, and wouldn't charge to make a profit.

Some people see the chance to make some cash by using their home or renting a venue to have fun, and of course that's fine, but do check they have insurance and council permission,

if you don't want to risk being arrested and charged with things from public disorder or indecency, just because it happens behind locked doors is no protection from the law, more than 2 people involved in sex acts makes it public, rather than private, unless on licensed premesis ( I am not sure what the law is, I haven't looked it up,someone will correct me if I'm wrong)

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

""I still think you're missing the point, the point being, if you pay a prostitute £50 for sex then you will be guaranteed sex, if you pay £50 to get in a swingers club or party, there is no guarantee of sex, end of story."

Of course some people love socialising and will have private house parties, just because they enjoy the company, and they have the facilities, and wouldn't charge to make a profit.

Some people see the chance to make some cash by using their home or renting a venue to have fun, and of course that's fine, but do check they have insurance and council permission,

You answered your own question "sex sells", if you offer sex or implied sex its all bound by the same rules.

Web Cam, Phone chat, sky high club prices for guys...its all a way to extort money for sex or the lure of sex.

We have shot pics for half the escorts in Essex & hats off to the girls as they work hard for what they get, like the clubs they too have overheads, bills, venues & most pay tax as its a legal job.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Has everyone forgotten Cynthia Payne? She held sex parties where people paid to get in - she was prosecuted.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Has everyone forgotten Cynthia Payne? She held sex parties where people paid to get in - she was prosecuted."

For tax evasion, not for prostitution.

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By *iceguy83Man
over a year ago

manchester

"Would I be wrong in saying the Higher entrance fee's for males at clubs is possibly/partly a way of making it less accessible for (I have to be careful here) let's say a certain type of clientele??

Yeah - I'm sure that's exactly why clubs do it!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Has everyone forgotten Cynthia Payne? She held sex parties where people paid to get in - she was prosecuted.

For tax evasion, not for prostitution."

An easier conviction and less chance of a jury bring moral considerations into play.

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By *otTheReal01Man
over a year ago

London

For private parties I don't see how you can justify asking single guys to pay more on the grounds of controlling numbers. Surely at a private party you have a guest list and control the numbers that way.

And, as mentioned, a single guy will (in theory) cause less mess/damage etc so no excuse for it on that front either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For private parties I don't see how you can justify asking single guys to pay more on the grounds of controlling numbers. Surely at a private party you have a guest list and control the numbers that way.

And, as mentioned, a single guy will (in theory) cause less mess/damage etc so no excuse for it on that front either."

because there's more men than couples and singles on here so yes there is an excuse

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

And, as mentioned, a single guy will (in theory) cause less mess/damage etc so no excuse for it on that front either."

Profit is replaced by "controlling numbers" as its a more acceptable term.

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By *otTheReal01Man
over a year ago

London

And, as mentioned, a single guy will (in theory) cause less mess/damage etc so no excuse for it on that front either.

because there's more men than couples and singles on here so yes there is an excuse"

I know how supply and demand works, you've missed my point. So you're saying people run private parties to make a profit?

What I'm saying is that you can't justify it with those reasons. If you admit you're doing it (illegally?) to make a profit that's fine, you can't say you're doing it just for fun and the price is for covering your costs then charge different amounts for single guys. That's just taking the piss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And, as mentioned, a single guy will (in theory) cause less mess/damage etc so no excuse for it on that front either.

because there's more men than couples and singles on here so yes there is an excuse

I know how supply and demand works, you've missed my point. So you're saying people run private parties to make a profit?

if you're hiring a venue then yes it is to cover the costs for that, food and drinks, people can charge whatever they want, the mean is about £25 for a single guy to get into a club, I myself would charge that amount for single guys, but whatever money is left over that would go towards the next party so I'm not left out of pocket, and then the profit from that one will go onto the next one. Charging people to come to a party or a club does in no way guarantee sex, some would be happy to pay that price even if they wanted to just treat it as a social if they're new to the scene, people can use parties and clubs and this site however they wish, if sex does happen than fair enough, if not than fair enough, its all swings and roundabouts

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over a year ago

Obviously there's a fine line but costs to run it are fair enough. I've seen a few profiles that basically hint at bringing bottles of vodka etc then come out with BRING VODKA OR WINE OR WE WON'T LET YOU IN. Which is pretty crass, IMO

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Surely if a private party all costs should be shared equally between the guests no profit £50 single males £25 couples and single females

Single females will generally pay between £10-£15 to go to a party and the people who host the party have right to keep the money from that party, especially if they've done it in they're own home

Nope.

Some "contributions" that we have seen asked for are ridiculous, one, just for guys, "guaranteed" them some fun with one of the three girls there... the cost.... a mere £100 for two hours.

Another, £50 per couple, and they were "limiting" the numbers to 20 couples... not a bad nights work, £1000!

I've only seen parties that you pay entrance for"

Come to south Wales then, people hold parties regularly here, and don't charge!

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Being friends with a number of people who hold parties, I have to take issue with you on your claim that the costs are " huge "!

A small buffet can easily be done for 50 quid, much less if you ask guests to bring a plate, people bring their own drink, condoms and lube, so apart from turning up the heating a little, and having all the lights on, and some music too, I just don't see how you come to this "huge" cost?

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

An escort legally charging £50 for guaranteed sex or an illegal over priced private party charging the same for no guaranteed sex...Mmmm! tricky but you can spot the dodgy one.

Both are wrong to be on this site as this is a swinging site & they both profit from sex.

Paying up to £20 is acceptable but anything over should be put on the sites they are meant for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least one nightclub was forced to cancel a swingers night because men were being charged more than anyone else. This is illegal under EU and Human Rights legislation because it discriminates on the grounds of gender and the club risked a hefty fine. Of course someone had to make a complaint in the first place and people aren't keen on doing that for fear of being identified.

I'm pretty sure Cynthia Payne was prosecuted for living off dodgy earnings. I went to a lecture she gave to the ECP years ago and mentioned it, but I could be wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At least one nightclub was forced to cancel a swingers night because men were being charged more than anyone else. This is illegal under EU and Human Rights legislation because it discriminates on the grounds of gender and the club risked a hefty fine. Of course someone had to make a complaint in the first place and people aren't keen on doing that for fear of being identified.

I'm pretty sure Cynthia Payne was prosecuted for living off dodgy earnings. I went to a lecture she gave to the ECP years ago and mentioned it, but I could be wrong. "

It's not illegal. Check your facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pretty sure Cynthia Payne was prosecuted for living off dodgy earnings. I went to a lecture she gave to the ECP years ago and mentioned it, but I could be wrong. "

This is incorrect I believe it is acceptable to charge different entry prices to members clubs to encourage under represented groups ie females otherwise known as positive discrimination

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

I'm pretty sure Cynthia Payne was prosecuted for living off dodgy earnings. I went to a lecture she gave to the ECP years ago and mentioned it, but I could be wrong.

It's not illegal. Check your facts.

Not for clubs at present but it is for private parties.

The Tories are not to keen on the adult industry & because big money changes hands in swinging its now fetched into the same categories as the others.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

I'm pretty sure Cynthia Payne was prosecuted for living off dodgy earnings. I went to a lecture she gave to the ECP years ago and mentioned it, but I could be wrong.

It's not illegal. Check your facts.

Not for clubs at present but it is for private parties.

The Tories are not to keen on the adult industry & because big money changes hands in swinging its now fetched into the same categories as the others. "

I think we might need a definition of private party.

Is the suggestion that if I invite a group of my friends to my home and everyone ends up in a pile on the bed, I'm committing an offence?

No money changes hands. Ever.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

".....

I'm pretty sure Cynthia Payne was prosecuted for living off dodgy earnings. I went to a lecture she gave to the ECP years ago and mentioned it, but I could be wrong.

It's not illegal. Check your facts.

Not for clubs at present but it is for private parties.

The Tories are not to keen on the adult industry & because big money changes hands in swinging its now fetched into the same categories as the others.

I think we might need a definition of private party.

Is the suggestion that if I invite a group of my friends to my home and everyone ends up in a pile on the bed, I'm committing an offence?

No money changes hands. Ever."

No money as changed hands so yes that's fine.

What once started as little parties with keys chucked in the middle as gone into big businesses for some so its attracted the wrong attention.

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

hello all

i have read all the views and opinions with great interest think most have got facts mixed up

correct me if im wrong

sex trade

if sex is guaranteed on tap in said premises .... its illegal to run a brothel... that is when people are there to perform sexual acts for money or accommodation etc swing clubs and private partys dont come into this law unless unless people are getting paid to do sex

you dont need a licence for a party ... if you have a lap dancing pole or entertainment you need a licence then different rules apply by law

bar ... if you have to pay for drinks you need a licence thats why most clubs say B.Y.O

cost of entry

clubs have overheads so there is a cost so its up to the individual to pay or not to pay .... i do think single me get higher charges but then its your choice to go or not to go ... i wont attend some clubs because i personally think the charges are to high thats my choice.... but most clubs i go to puts your name on a guest list so you can get entry also then you become a private member which comes under different rules in the law

private partys should also keep a guest list and basically charge what they like and if they hold regular partys it is classed as a second income for taxes ... but all expenses are deductible as in any business.... again its your choice to attend or not

personally i attend clubs and partys its a safe environment with like minded people but i attend hoping to get action but know its never guaranteed and i can see why they are well attended by couples as they dont want to bring strangers to their family home where kids could be sleeping and gives a nice break for them

so to round this off the cost who cares the people who moans about it wont go in the 1st place

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"hello all

i have read all the views and opinions with great interest think most have got facts mixed up

correct me if im wrong

sex trade

you dont need a licence for a party ... if you have a lap dancing pole or entertainment you need a licence then different rules apply by law

bar ... if you have to pay for drinks you need a licence thats why most clubs say B.Y.O

cost of entry

so to round this off the cost who cares the people who moans about it wont go in the 1st place

Bravo!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will not reply with my opinion unless you give me £100, pls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they asked me and was close. I would ask for a sloppy bj for five quid lol.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Has everyone forgotten Cynthia Payne? She held sex parties where people paid to get in - she was prosecuted.

For tax evasion, not for prostitution."

She was convicted in 1980 of 'keeping a disorderly house' which is legalese for running a brothel.

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

"Has everyone forgotten Cynthia Payne? She held sex parties where people paid to get in - she was prosecuted.

For tax evasion, not for prostitution.

She was convicted in 1980 of 'keeping a disorderly house' which is legalese for running a brothel."

because she had girls working from there

thats not the same as swing clubs or partys

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Has everyone forgotten Cynthia Payne? She held sex parties where people paid to get in - she was prosecuted.

For tax evasion, not for prostitution.

She was convicted in 1980 of 'keeping a disorderly house' which is legalese for running a brothel.

because she had girls working from there

thats not the same as swing clubs or partys

It was because she charged for what she claimed was a private sex party. Don't get me wrong. I am not making judgements. Just pointing out the potential pitfalls legally. We can argue and discuss the points all day long but if someone is deemed to be keeping a 'disorderly house' and is prosecuted then it is all pretty much irrelevant. Even if not convicted such stories are lapped up by the media and who wants that kind of exposure? It could destroy lives.

I think if parties are being held and people have to pay (in a private house) which is beyond reasonable costs, then caution should be taken as you expose yourself to a lot of potential trouble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has everyone forgotten Cynthia Payne? She held sex parties where people paid to get in - she was prosecuted.

For tax evasion, not for prostitution.

She was convicted in 1980 of 'keeping a disorderly house' which is legalese for running a brothel.

because she had girls working from there

thats not the same as swing clubs or partys

Some clubs pay girls to have sex when it's greedy girls but yes I agree

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

"Has everyone forgotten Cynthia Payne? She held sex parties where people paid to get in - she was prosecuted.

For tax evasion, not for prostitution.

She was convicted in 1980 of 'keeping a disorderly house' which is legalese for running a brothel.

because she had girls working from there

thats not the same as swing clubs or partys

I think if parties are being held and people have to pay (in a private house) which is beyond reasonable costs, then caution should be taken as you expose yourself to a lot of potential trouble. "

when i was married we held massive partys

we had police come to check it out all they did was inform tax man .... well had to be them lol .... but they spoke to several people and left very happy

i even had a visit from local council office he just made sure i had proper fire precautions and that if i needed a entertainment licence they walked away very happy ... AND WAS NOT PAID OFF IN SEXUAL FAVORS EITHER lol

you do need to check local by-laws and be respectful with your neighbours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An escort legally charging £50 for guaranteed sex or an illegal over priced private party charging the same for no guaranteed sex...Mmmm! tricky but you can spot the dodgy one.

Both are wrong to be on this site as this is a swinging site & they both profit from sex.

Paying up to £20 is acceptable but anything over should be put on the sites they are meant for."

paying £5 or £50 for sex is still prostitution, you cant give a figure and say its acceptable. or not!

I have nothing against paying for someones time, and prostitution is probably the cheapest sex you will ever have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An escort legally charging £50 for guaranteed sex or an illegal over priced private party charging the same for no guaranteed sex...Mmmm! tricky but you can spot the dodgy one.

Both are wrong to be on this site as this is a swinging site & they both profit from sex.

Paying up to £20 is acceptable but anything over should be put on the sites they are meant for.

paying £5 or £50 for sex is still prostitution, you cant give a figure and say its acceptable. or not!

I have nothing against paying for someones time, and prostitution is probably the cheapest sex you will ever have.

Private parties aren't prostitution, they're parties

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An escort legally charging £50 for guaranteed sex or an illegal over priced private party charging the same for no guaranteed sex...Mmmm! tricky but you can spot the dodgy one.

Both are wrong to be on this site as this is a swinging site & they both profit from sex.

Paying up to £20 is acceptable but anything over should be put on the sites they are meant for.

paying £5 or £50 for sex is still prostitution, you cant give a figure and say its acceptable. or not!

I have nothing against paying for someones time, and prostitution is probably the cheapest sex you will ever have.

Private parties aren't prostitution, they're parties"

They are sex parties, people intend with the intention of having sex.

The organisers usually say a contribution towards expenses, including condoms and lube provided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Party organisers are facilitating sex, that could be for friends or strangers, and they try and balance the people attending, so that everyone has fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes, she was charged with running a brothel or a disorderly house!

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An escort legally charging £50 for guaranteed sex or an illegal over priced private party charging the same for no guaranteed sex...Mmmm! tricky but you can spot the dodgy one.

Both are wrong to be on this site as this is a swinging site & they both profit from sex.

Paying up to £20 is acceptable but anything over should be put on the sites they are meant for."

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

so everyone who thinks it prostitution in one way or the other need to get a life

so every party i been to or club means i had a given rite to fuck everyone

I DONT THINK SO its consenting adults that have the rite to say no or leave

BIG DIFFERENCE

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Has everyone forgotten Cynthia Payne? She held sex parties where people paid to get in - she was prosecuted.

For tax evasion, not for prostitution.

She was convicted in 1980 of 'keeping a disorderly house' which is legalese for running a brothel.

because she had girls working from there

thats not the same as swing clubs or partys

I think if parties are being held and people have to pay (in a private house) which is beyond reasonable costs, then caution should be taken as you expose yourself to a lot of potential trouble.

when i was married we held massive partys

we had police come to check it out all they did was inform tax man .... well had to be them lol .... but they spoke to several people and left very happy

you do need to check local by-laws and be respectful with your neighbours

I think that is important, especially the neighbours. The last thing you need is them calling the police and ending up being raided. All those awkward questions - and if any guests are in a sensitive profession then they won't be too happy!

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

i totally agree with you

thats the last thing everyone needs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems odd

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think it is prostitution as money is being paid by people expecting sex it is more like a brothel were the owner controls

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

"Think it is prostitution as money is being paid by people expecting sex it is more like a brothel were the owner controls "

well i think thats why peeps like you give single men a bad name

so you buy a lady a drink or a meal and expect a shag as its a given rite because you spent some pennys OMG whats this site coming to god knows

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're paying the party organiser entrance then it's a partyif you're paying the person you're going to have sex with at the party then it's prostitution, big difference

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

"If you're paying the party organiser entrance then it's a partyif you're paying the person you're going to have sex with at the party then it's prostitution, big difference"

so if me and you turned up and paid means i can shag ur ass because i paid get a life

if some person was getting paid to have sex with anyone or everyone then its a brothel .... look up the definition of a brothel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sex is not free anymore, it was back in the 60's lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you're paying the party organiser entrance then it's a partyif you're paying the person you're going to have sex with at the party then it's prostitution, big difference

so if me and you turned up and paid means i can shag ur ass because i paid get a life

if some person was getting paid to have sex with anyone or everyone then its a brothel .... look up the definition of a brothel "

I'd be going on my own!

You're not paying to have sex you're paying to get into a party where sex MIGHT happen. A brothel is where you'll pay the manager, you don't get food, drink or music there do you? No!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the people who moan the most about a contribution or entrance fee are the men that consider the women on this site to be an easy lay like a prostitute but free if they re pushy enough let's be honest this sites free I think it attracts skinflints lol

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

"Is it allowed on this site ,party invites with fees surely a fine line between swinging and prostitution "

people can still be arrested for charging/covering costs etc,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hope this thread does nt stop the parties lol we ve paid and attended some real crackers

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

"I think the people who moan the most about a contribution or entrance fee are the men that consider the women on this site to be an easy lay like a prostitute but free if they re pushy enough let's be honest this sites free I think it attracts skinflints lol "

WELL SAID

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I throw sex parties every month and mmffmm parties once a week all i ask his they bring a bottle and they do i dont charge any off my guests i put a good buffet on and my parties are well recieved by all men women tvs and couples and we party hard.

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"If you're paying the party organiser entrance then it's a partyif you're paying the person you're going to have sex with at the party then it's prostitution, big difference

so if me and you turned up and paid means i can shag ur ass because i paid get a life

if some person was getting paid to have sex with anyone or everyone then its a brothel .... look up the definition of a brothel

I'd be going on my own!

You're not paying to have sex you're paying to get into a party where sex MIGHT happen. A brothel is where you'll pay the manager, you don't get food, drink or music there do you? No!

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it attracts cheapskates, like asking a woman to go to a club so he doesnt have to pay as much, what a way to make a woman feel special eh?

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"Think it is prostitution as money is being paid by people expecting sex it is more like a brothel were the owner controls "

Ever been to a club??

If so you'll know all to well that sex isn't guaranteed. They charge entry to cover costs of the establishment they are providing for people to Meet,drink,dance and socialise. And in the event it take two or more consenting adults fancy,somewhere private to play and that's all. In the 14 years we've been playing I've never seen a club or a private party advertising " Sex 100% guaranteed"

You think the prices are high? Don't go!! leave it for those who feel that £30-£50 is a small price to pay for a night out with like minded people every now and then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it attracts cheapskates, like asking a woman to go to a club so he doesnt have to pay as much, what a way to make a woman feel special eh?

Exactly ;If I was to host a vanilla party I don't ask people for an entrance fee? Mum dad best friends you can come to my house for a party but you have to pay x amount??. If you go to any club vanilla or swingers you expect to pay but not a private party. Just my opinion you understand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol funny thing is we know of DEFINATLY ONE PROFILE THAT IS A SINGLE weather or not she is still a cpl profile where i can show her on an escort site earning monkey! when she has visited clubs she is open to what she is! especially to singles! guessing she is hoping for bookings! have reported her but she's still on here so guess they don't give a shit long as they can arn cash on support profiles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it attracts cheapskates, like asking a woman to go to a club so he doesnt have to pay as much, what a way to make a woman feel special eh?

if i'd hosted a party at a venue for a charity like a vanilla party I'd only ask for a contribution to be made, I wouldn't charge an entrance but that would be at my home, if it was a swingers party at a venue I would charge entrance but that is only to cover the cost of hiring the venue, food, and drinks. I am thinking of hosting a charity event at some point but that is something that will be vanilla, I will invite my swinger friends but there will be no sex happening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"lol funny thing is we know of DEFINATLY ONE PROFILE THAT IS A SINGLE weather or not she is still a cpl profile where i can show her on an escort site earning monkey! when she has visited clubs she is open to what she is! especially to singles! guessing she is hoping for bookings! have reported her but she's still on here so guess they don't give a shit long as they can arn cash on support profiles"

If that's the case and she is soliciting on here then keep reporting it! If she has sent you messages asking for money that's against the rules on here I believe

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

If that's the case and she is soliciting on here then keep reporting it! If she has sent you messages asking for money that's against the rules on here I believe "

yep report and report again and again spoils it for the rest

one bad apple as the saying goes

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

For arguments sake! How much would you want for-

Picking up multiple used condoms, tissues,towels. Cleaning suspect stains from bed sheets and upholstery. Damage to carpets and furniture from spilt drinks. Laying on the soon to be filled and used condoms and lube. Small buffet and enough mixers and ice for six-ten couples that you hardly know??

Not to mention taking the risk that your neighbours, friends or family may find out. I for one am not willing to do all that for any money So hats of to anyone who does and I have no problem making a donation to those that make an effort!! Good on em!!

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

For arguments sake! How much would you want for-

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol we have repeatedly reported her ad even sent link to her ESCORT page on a certain site! nothing happens past careig she is a nasty piece of work

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

"For arguments sake! How much would you want for-

totally agree i held parts for 6 years not one single problem in 6 years but bloody hard work

deep clean b4 and after the partys

and not one person felt abliged to have sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when the warmer weather comes we hold house parties once a month! all we ask is people bring thier own drinks! if people bring food all good x, oly tie we ask for anthing if for those who stay over for the night! and i have woken up to 8-14 in the mornig is they chip i for the food for the full english i the morning! i don't mind cooking it but because it's not something i would usually do the cover cost works out bout £2 pp never had any moaning!

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

"when the warmer weather comes we hold house parties once a month! all we ask is people bring thier own drinks! if people bring food all good x, oly tie we ask for anthing if for those who stay over for the night! and i have woken up to 8-14 in the mornig is they chip i for the food for the full english i the morning! i don't mind cooking it but because it's not something i would usually do the cover cost works out bout £2 pp never had any moaning!"

naughty couple shhhhhhh you dare take cash tut tut lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For arguments sake! How much would you want for-

I'd hire a venue like an apartment, I wouldn't have mine at home as it's too small and all three bedrooms are used so I'd hire somewhere, charge an entrance fee to cover costs of hiring the venue, buying and making the buffet and the soft drinks

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"For arguments sake! How much would you want for-

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"For arguments sake! How much would you want for-

totally agree i held parts for 6 years not one single problem in 6 years but bloody hard work

deep clean b4 and after the partys

and not one person felt abliged to have sex "

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

"For arguments sake! How much would you want for-

i used to hire a penthouse sweet jacuzzi steam rooms etc back in 1990 was £1,ooo a weekend used to get 50 in there 9 beds 3 doubles rest singles

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"For arguments sake! How much would you want for-

i used to hire a penthouse sweet jacuzzi steam rooms etc back in 1990 was £1,ooo a weekend used to get 50 in there 9 beds 3 doubles rest singles "

That's what we're talking about!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For arguments sake! How much would you want for-

i used to hire a penthouse sweet jacuzzi steam rooms etc back in 1990 was £1,ooo a weekend used to get 50 in there 9 beds 3 doubles rest singles "

that sounds amazing!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to host a charity event at mine this year where I would charge £10 for entrance whether it be single fem, single guy or a couple, they bring they're own food and drink if they wish but will probably have sandwiches and the like.

Do you think anybody would be interested in that if it's not a swingers party?

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

so Filthygorgeous1 i know how hard it is this was before internet like we know it

was all word of mouth

caterers did the food all carpets professionally cleaned after

all at cost

i had loads of people on waiting list to come and play

god knows how much i would have to charge nowadays for the same style and finesse but would of blown a gasket if someone said it was a brothel and my friends would not be too pleased either lol

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

"I'd like to host a charity event at mine this year where I would charge £10 for entrance whether it be single fem, single guy or a couple, they bring they're own food and drink if they wish but will probably have sandwiches and the like.

Do you think anybody would be interested in that if it's not a swingers party?

loads would come vanilla as well its for charity

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

Ok so maybe it is a bit expensive for single guys. But that cost keeps the numbers down to those that really seriously want to attend so the club is not full of frustrated single guys and no one else. Also it deters any cheapskates by making it let's say somewhat exclusive to those guys who don't mind spending £35-£50 to have a good time.

Can you imagine what sort of nights you'd have if it was 50p for guys to get in

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By *AMES19620Man
over a year ago

newport

"Ok so maybe it is a bit expensive for single guys. But that cost keeps the numbers down to those that really seriously want to attend so the club is not full of frustrated single guys and no one else. Also it deters any cheapskates by making it let's say somewhat exclusive to those guys who don't mind spending £35-£50 to have a good time.

Can you imagine what sort of nights you'd have if it was 50p for guys to get in

me personally i spend most weekends in hotels all over the country

so i would rather go to a club and talk to like minded people than be billy no mates sat in a hotel somewhere

if i get sex thats a bonus i dont expect to get it

i would quite willing to pay £50 a evening

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By *irtyAndCh33kyCouple
over a year ago

North Wales

Maybe that's where we went wrong last weekend....we should have charged lol

We tried to organise a couples party at our home and ONE couple turned up!

We tried for over a year to have monthly gangbangs....no charge whatsover for guys and at the most 1-2 guys would turn up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pretty sure Cynthia Payne was prosecuted for living off dodgy earnings. I went to a lecture she gave to the ECP years ago and mentioned it, but I could be wrong.

It's not illegal. Check your facts.

Discrimination is unlawful in the provision of any service.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But I believe private clubs are allowed to positively discriminate but havering different charges if they are under represented by a particular group

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can you imagine what sort of nights you'd have if it was 50p for guys to get in

The cost could be reduced and numbers still managed by having max numbwr of single males allowed on any given night on first come first served basis. Fact is the ratio and pest thing is a smokescreen used to rip single chaps off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Single guys are pests, following people round, touching without asking etc

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