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"I have to admit, I'm finding this a very difficult scene to get into as a single man. I'm interested to know whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether mine is unusual. I know there are plenty of people who have had much more positive experiences, which is great. People are welcome to disagree or not like what I say, but that doesn't change the fact that this has been my experience. I've been on the site for around six months and have kept working on my profile to improve it, with the kind advice of Fab members. I've also been to several socials to prove I'm real and not just another fake profile. For me, messaging on here has felt almost pointless. I take the time to write tailored messages based on someone's profile or most recent update rather than sending a dick pic or simply asking to fuck. Sadly, it seems to make little difference. Most messages go unread or are simply deleted. I completely understand that couples and single women receive a huge number of messages, but it can still be frustrating from the other side. When you spend time writing a genuine message just to be ignored, after a while you start wondering why you bother. The socials haven't really been fun for me either. Don't get me wrong, everyone I've spoken to has been friendly, so this isn't a criticism of them, not for one moment. One problem is that the venues are usually bars with loud music. My hearing isn't great, so having a proper conversation is difficult. It can also feel a bit like being back at school, with established groups naturally sticking together, which can make it very hard as a newcomer to join in or feel included. I did hit it off with one person on here, but it became clear that I was more interested in them than they were in me, which is absolutely fair enough. In the end, though, I got tired of doing all the chasing. It has to work both ways. After a while, you inevitably start to question your own value when you keep putting yourself out there but get little or nothing back. It isn't great for your confidence or your mental wellbeing. I'm not saying that's everyone's experience, but it has certainly been mine. I'd genuinely be interested to hear whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether you've found approaches that work better. I'd also be interested in hearing from couples and single women about how it looks from your perspective, as I'm sure there are things I haven't considered." This experience is pretty universal although your mileage may vary and it's not like it's a new thing. And yes, verifications, pictures, good profile can help, but it's rarely worth sending messages, and if you do don't expect a quick reply. Last social I went on, they only were able to get to my message 3 weeks after I sent it, due to the sheer volume they receive. That's universal amongst fab too. Truer more than ever that your best bet of actually meeting, or having any interest, social or otherwise is actually at clubs or events. | |||
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"I have to admit, I'm finding this a very difficult scene to get into as a single man. I'm interested to know whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether mine is unusual. I know there are plenty of people who have had much more positive experiences, which is great. People are welcome to disagree or not like what I say, but that doesn't change the fact that this has been my experience. I've been on the site for around six months and have kept working on my profile to improve it, with the kind advice of Fab members. I've also been to several socials to prove I'm real and not just another fake profile. For me, messaging on here has felt almost pointless. I take the time to write tailored messages based on someone's profile or most recent update rather than sending a dick pic or simply asking to fuck. Sadly, it seems to make little difference. Most messages go unread or are simply deleted. I completely understand that couples and single women receive a huge number of messages, but it can still be frustrating from the other side. When you spend time writing a genuine message just to be ignored, after a while you start wondering why you bother. The socials haven't really been fun for me either. Don't get me wrong, everyone I've spoken to has been friendly, so this isn't a criticism of them, not for one moment. One problem is that the venues are usually bars with loud music. My hearing isn't great, so having a proper conversation is difficult. It can also feel a bit like being back at school, with established groups naturally sticking together, which can make it very hard as a newcomer to join in or feel included. I did hit it off with one person on here, but it became clear that I was more interested in them than they were in me, which is absolutely fair enough. In the end, though, I got tired of doing all the chasing. It has to work both ways. After a while, you inevitably start to question your own value when you keep putting yourself out there but get little or nothing back. It isn't great for your confidence or your mental wellbeing. I'm not saying that's everyone's experience, but it has certainly been mine. I'd genuinely be interested to hear whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether you've found approaches that work better. I'd also be interested in hearing from couples and single women about how it looks from your perspective, as I'm sure there are things I haven't considered." The truth is this site represents real life as much as anything else. Despite being a sex-site, the female of the species is still as selective and flaky as the real world. I don't bother with single women on here as the amount of choice and attention even the average one's get seems to entitle them to be as flaky and choosy as real life dating. Maybe stick to couples or even go to a club. People tend to be in the mood at clubs and more willing to give new men a chance. Just a thought. Best of British, you'll need it! | |||
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"it was well over 12 months before I managed to meet up with a couple on here and ironically it wasnt through the site that I met them." I don't think that that's unusual. I think that most of the couples on here use it mainly to keep in touch with people they've already met, and rarely to make new contacts. | |||
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"It's because 99.9% of single males are on here for a quick wank while their mrs is at work so continually let single females,couples down this not only annoys them,and can unfortunately affect the confidence of women making them less likely to continue on here, it was well over 12 months before I managed to meet up with a couple on here and ironically it wasnt through the site that I met them." Thissss Just makes you think not worth it | |||
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"This is a swingers site. Not a sex site. Even people replying have got that wrong. Are you a swinger or part of a swinger couple, or are you another single man looking for sex? If you are a swinger, then this site works exactly as it should. If you are another single man looking for free sex, then good luck with that"  | |||
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"I have to admit, I'm finding this a very difficult scene to get into as a single man. I'm interested to know whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether mine is unusual. I know there are plenty of people who have had much more positive experiences, which is great. People are welcome to disagree or not like what I say, but that doesn't change the fact that this has been my experience. I've been on the site for around six months and have kept working on my profile to improve it, with the kind advice of Fab members. I've also been to several socials to prove I'm real and not just another fake profile. For me, messaging on here has felt almost pointless. I take the time to write tailored messages based on someone's profile or most recent update rather than sending a dick pic or simply asking to fuck. Sadly, it seems to make little difference. Most messages go unread or are simply deleted. I completely understand that couples and single women receive a huge number of messages, but it can still be frustrating from the other side. When you spend time writing a genuine message just to be ignored, after a while you start wondering why you bother. The socials haven't really been fun for me either. Don't get me wrong, everyone I've spoken to has been friendly, so this isn't a criticism of them, not for one moment. One problem is that the venues are usually bars with loud music. My hearing isn't great, so having a proper conversation is difficult. It can also feel a bit like being back at school, with established groups naturally sticking together, which can make it very hard as a newcomer to join in or feel included. I did hit it off with one person on here, but it became clear that I was more interested in them than they were in me, which is absolutely fair enough. In the end, though, I got tired of doing all the chasing. It has to work both ways. After a while, you inevitably start to question your own value when you keep putting yourself out there but get little or nothing back. It isn't great for your confidence or your mental wellbeing. I'm not saying that's everyone's experience, but it has certainly been mine. I'd genuinely be interested to hear whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether you've found approaches that work better. I'd also be interested in hearing from couples and single women about how it looks from your perspective, as I'm sure there are things I haven't considered." I've been on this site for 5yrs or so, it's only in the last couple that things have happened. Patience, reflection and adjustments plus don't just rely on fab get yourself out to clubs and socials | |||
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"This is a swingers site. Not a sex site. Even people replying have got that wrong. Are you a swinger or part of a swinger couple, or are you another single man looking for sex? If you are a swinger, then this site works exactly as it should. If you are another single man looking for free sex, then good luck with that" Single men and single women can be swingers. If you’re looking for recreational sex with more than one person. There are also a lot of shaggers on here, single people looking to hookup with single people. (Nothing wrong with that) And there are an awful lot of spectators on here. People who set up accounts, to perv on those who are actually meeting. These are the ones who set up meetings, for the thrill of the chase, but never show. These profiles are too good to be true, because they are made up. What can you do? Be honest, be genuine and be prepared for a long wait. | |||
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"I have to admit, I'm finding this a very difficult scene to get into as a single man. I'm interested to know whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether mine is unusual. I know there are plenty of people who have had much more positive experiences, which is great. People are welcome to disagree or not like what I say, but that doesn't change the fact that this has been my experience. I've been on the site for around six months and have kept working on my profile to improve it, with the kind advice of Fab members. I've also been to several socials to prove I'm real and not just another fake profile. For me, messaging on here has felt almost pointless. I take the time to write tailored messages based on someone's profile or most recent update rather than sending a dick pic or simply asking to fuck. Sadly, it seems to make little difference. Most messages go unread or are simply deleted. I completely understand that couples and single women receive a huge number of messages, but it can still be frustrating from the other side. When you spend time writing a genuine message just to be ignored, after a while you start wondering why you bother. The socials haven't really been fun for me either. Don't get me wrong, everyone I've spoken to has been friendly, so this isn't a criticism of them, not for one moment. One problem is that the venues are usually bars with loud music. My hearing isn't great, so having a proper conversation is difficult. It can also feel a bit like being back at school, with established groups naturally sticking together, which can make it very hard as a newcomer to join in or feel included. I did hit it off with one person on here, but it became clear that I was more interested in them than they were in me, which is absolutely fair enough. In the end, though, I got tired of doing all the chasing. It has to work both ways. After a while, you inevitably start to question your own value when you keep putting yourself out there but get little or nothing back. It isn't great for your confidence or your mental wellbeing. I'm not saying that's everyone's experience, but it has certainly been mine. I'd genuinely be interested to hear whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether you've found approaches that work better. I'd also be interested in hearing from couples and single women about how it looks from your perspective, as I'm sure there are things I haven't considered. The truth is this site represents real life as much as anything else. Despite being a sex-site, the female of the species is still as selective and flaky as the real world. I don't bother with single women on here as the amount of choice and attention even the average one's get seems to entitle them to be as flaky and choosy as real life dating. Maybe stick to couples or even go to a club. People tend to be in the mood at clubs and more willing to give new men a chance. Just a thought. Best of British, you'll need it!" " I don't bother with single women on here as the amount of choice and attention even the average one's get seems to entitle them to be as flaky and choosy as real life dating." Are you saying because uts a 'sex site' women shouldn't be selective and should just shag anyone that messages them?" | |||
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" I am really enjoying this discussion. It is a great opportunity for us to connect and develop a better understanding. Thanks for keeping the dialogue alive; hopefully, we will all be on the same page soon." What page is that ? | |||
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"I have to admit, I'm finding this a very difficult scene to get into as a single man. I'm interested to know whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether mine is unusual. I know there are plenty of people who have had much more positive experiences, which is great. People are welcome to disagree or not like what I say, but that doesn't change the fact that this has been my experience. I've been on the site for around six months and have kept working on my profile to improve it, with the kind advice of Fab members. I've also been to several socials to prove I'm real and not just another fake profile. For me, messaging on here has felt almost pointless. I take the time to write tailored messages based on someone's profile or most recent update rather than sending a dick pic or simply asking to fuck. Sadly, it seems to make little difference. Most messages go unread or are simply deleted. I completely understand that couples and single women receive a huge number of messages, but it can still be frustrating from the other side. When you spend time writing a genuine message just to be ignored, after a while you start wondering why you bother. The socials haven't really been fun for me either. Don't get me wrong, everyone I've spoken to has been friendly, so this isn't a criticism of them, not for one moment. One problem is that the venues are usually bars with loud music. My hearing isn't great, so having a proper conversation is difficult. It can also feel a bit like being back at school, with established groups naturally sticking together, which can make it very hard as a newcomer to join in or feel included. I did hit it off with one person on here, but it became clear that I was more interested in them than they were in me, which is absolutely fair enough. In the end, though, I got tired of doing all the chasing. It has to work both ways. After a while, you inevitably start to question your own value when you keep putting yourself out there but get little or nothing back. It isn't great for your confidence or your mental wellbeing. I'm not saying that's everyone's experience, but it has certainly been mine. I'd genuinely be interested to hear whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether you've found approaches that work better. I'd also be interested in hearing from couples and single women about how it looks from your perspective, as I'm sure there are things I haven't considered. The truth is this site represents real life as much as anything else. Despite being a sex-site, the female of the species is still as selective and flaky as the real world. I don't bother with single women on here as the amount of choice and attention even the average one's get seems to entitle them to be as flaky and choosy as real life dating. Maybe stick to couples or even go to a club. People tend to be in the mood at clubs and more willing to give new men a chance. Just a thought. Best of British, you'll need it! " I don't bother with single women on here as the amount of choice and attention even the average one's get seems to entitle them to be as flaky and choosy as real life dating." Are you saying because uts a 'sex site' women shouldn't be selective and should just shag anyone that messages them?"" No. I'm saying that women are more naturally selective than men and when they have so much choice, single men on here find it nearly impossible to be selected, ffs. That sort of defensive, daft reaction is exactly why I don't meet single women like you! Peace. | |||
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"I have to admit, I'm finding this a very difficult scene to get into as a single man. I'm interested to know whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether mine is unusual. I know there are plenty of people who have had much more positive experiences, which is great. People are welcome to disagree or not like what I say, but that doesn't change the fact that this has been my experience. I've been on the site for around six months and have kept working on my profile to improve it, with the kind advice of Fab members. I've also been to several socials to prove I'm real and not just another fake profile. For me, messaging on here has felt almost pointless. I take the time to write tailored messages based on someone's profile or most recent update rather than sending a dick pic or simply asking to fuck. Sadly, it seems to make little difference. Most messages go unread or are simply deleted. I completely understand that couples and single women receive a huge number of messages, but it can still be frustrating from the other side. When you spend time writing a genuine message just to be ignored, after a while you start wondering why you bother. The socials haven't really been fun for me either. Don't get me wrong, everyone I've spoken to has been friendly, so this isn't a criticism of them, not for one moment. One problem is that the venues are usually bars with loud music. My hearing isn't great, so having a proper conversation is difficult. It can also feel a bit like being back at school, with established groups naturally sticking together, which can make it very hard as a newcomer to join in or feel included. I did hit it off with one person on here, but it became clear that I was more interested in them than they were in me, which is absolutely fair enough. In the end, though, I got tired of doing all the chasing. It has to work both ways. After a while, you inevitably start to question your own value when you keep putting yourself out there but get little or nothing back. It isn't great for your confidence or your mental wellbeing. I'm not saying that's everyone's experience, but it has certainly been mine. I'd genuinely be interested to hear whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether you've found approaches that work better. I'd also be interested in hearing from couples and single women about how it looks from your perspective, as I'm sure there are things I haven't considered. The truth is this site represents real life as much as anything else. Despite being a sex-site, the female of the species is still as selective and flaky as the real world. I don't bother with single women on here as the amount of choice and attention even the average one's get seems to entitle them to be as flaky and choosy as real life dating. Maybe stick to couples or even go to a club. People tend to be in the mood at clubs and more willing to give new men a chance. Just a thought. Best of British, you'll need it! " I don't bother with single women on here as the amount of choice and attention even the average one's get seems to entitle them to be as flaky and choosy as real life dating." Are you saying because uts a 'sex site' women shouldn't be selective and should just shag anyone that messages them?" No. I'm saying that women are more naturally selective than men and when they have so much choice, single men on here find it nearly impossible to be selected, ffs. That sort of defensive, daft reaction is exactly why I don't meet single women like you! Peace." I think it's safe to say that the feeling is extremely mutual. Have a good day | |||
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"This is a swingers site. Not a sex site. Even people replying have got that wrong. Are you a swinger or part of a swinger couple, or are you another single man looking for sex? If you are a swinger, then this site works exactly as it should. If you are another single man looking for free sex, then good luck with that" spot on 100 zillion% this .. | |||
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"Yeah, seems like the regular single male experience." Yes, spot on. | |||
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"This is a swingers site. Not a sex site. Even people replying have got that wrong. Are you a swinger or part of a swinger couple, or are you another single man looking for sex? If you are a swinger, then this site works exactly as it should. If you are another single man looking for free sex, then good luck with that" Well said. Another thread from a single man who hasn't worked out that it isn't a sex site. Single men need to work very, very hard to have any chance of success. That's just the way it is. | |||
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"Single men and single women can be swingers. " Sorry, but you're deluding yourself on that one. To be very blunt, the relationship of singles to swinging couples is a bit like groupies to rock bands. It doesn't matter how many people you shag, you're never going to be one of the band. Many single people are lovely, and it's a lot of fun to have them around, but they aren't swingers, because in the modern world it's not enough to enjoy recreational sex with multiple partners to be a swinger - you have to have a partner who does the same, and you're happy about it. That doesn't make singles inferior in any way, but it explains the dynamics on this site. | |||
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" I am really enjoying this discussion. It is a great opportunity for us to connect and develop a better understanding. Thanks for keeping the dialogue alive; hopefully, we will all be on the same page soon. What page is that ?" All if this as i can see the aibgles and couples how they think | |||
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"Single men and single women can be swingers. Sorry, but you're deluding yourself on that one. To be very blunt, the relationship of singles to swinging couples is a bit like groupies to rock bands. It doesn't matter how many people you shag, you're never going to be one of the band. . " An Interesting analogy! Whilst groupies may never have got to be one of the band, several became famous in their own right and went on to recording careers or jobs within the industry. Pamela Des Barres: Widely celebrated as the "Queen of the Groupies," was a dancer and singer in the Frank Zappa-produced group, The GTOs (Girls Together Outrageously). Bebe Buell fronted bands, and eventually became a best-selling author with her 2001 autobiography, Rebel Heart: An American Rock 'N' Roll Journey. Cherry Vanilla had a post groupie career as David Bowie’s publicist and eventually became a recording artist and stage performer. I am not sure how any of that relates to the single men of Fab though. Maybe some have done a Yoko and split up a relationship and maybe a few more have brought some additional input to get some duos creative juices flowing, but I am guessing most are wondering why they can’t get past the bouncers despite being prepared to shag the drummer or even a roadie if necessary.  | |||
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"I have to admit, I'm finding this a very difficult scene to get into as a single man." I empathise; it's not easy for single men who do the right thing on here. Effort, energy, patience often goes 'unrewarded' as far as favourable outcomes are concerned. "I know there are plenty of people who have had much more positive experiences, which is great." Whilst it's not always been smooth sailing I'll humbly admit that I've had nothing but p+sitive experiences on here. "...and have kept working on my profile to improve it, with the kind advice of Fab members." I'm curious to enquire what on earth you have done to improve your profile after so many months and on the back of the advice you have received? Are you truly following through on the advice and making changes? "I've also been to several socials to prove I'm real and not just another fake profile." This is brilliant, keep at it and persevere. "...messaging on here has felt almost pointless. I take the time to write tailored messages based on someone's profile or most recent update rather than sending a dick pic or simply asking to fuck. Sadly, it seems to make little difference. Most messages go unread or are simply deleted." Clearly the odds are stacked against most men: there are far more singleton men trawling this site than women (and couples). Your message will be one of hundreds in their inbox and most women typically look at the profile first before even opening the message itself...assuming they feel inclined to do so. How articulate or good-natured your message is becomes a moot point. Sometimes they are not enamoured by what they see when they look at the sender's profile. "It can also feel a bit like being back at school, with established groups naturally sticking together, which can make it very hard as a newcomer to join in or feel included." I agree with this: it can be nigh on impossible trying to break pre-existing bubbles. ㅤㅤ I think you need to really work on your profile and your photo gallery in the first instance. Try and participate in the forums; it's a great conduit for new acquaintanceships. Whatever you decide to do I wish you all the best. ⚜️ | |||
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"I have to admit, I'm finding this a very difficult scene to get into as a single man. I'm interested to know whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether mine is unusual. I know there are plenty of people who have had much more positive experiences, which is great. People are welcome to disagree or not like what I say, but that doesn't change the fact that this has been my experience. I've been on the site for around six months and have kept working on my profile to improve it, with the kind advice of Fab members. I've also been to several socials to prove I'm real and not just another fake profile. For me, messaging on here has felt almost pointless. I take the time to write tailored messages based on someone's profile or most recent update rather than sending a dick pic or simply asking to fuck. Sadly, it seems to make little difference. Most messages go unread or are simply deleted. I completely understand that couples and single women receive a huge number of messages, but it can still be frustrating from the other side. When you spend time writing a genuine message just to be ignored, after a while you start wondering why you bother. The socials haven't really been fun for me either. Don't get me wrong, everyone I've spoken to has been friendly, so this isn't a criticism of them, not for one moment. One problem is that the venues are usually bars with loud music. My hearing isn't great, so having a proper conversation is difficult. It can also feel a bit like being back at school, with established groups naturally sticking together, which can make it very hard as a newcomer to join in or feel included. I did hit it off with one person on here, but it became clear that I was more interested in them than they were in me, which is absolutely fair enough. In the end, though, I got tired of doing all the chasing. It has to work both ways. After a while, you inevitably start to question your own value when you keep putting yourself out there but get little or nothing back. It isn't great for your confidence or your mental wellbeing. I'm not saying that's everyone's experience, but it has certainly been mine. I'd genuinely be interested to hear whether other single men have had similar experiences, or whether you've found approaches that work better. I'd also be interested in hearing from couples and single women about how it looks from your perspective, as I'm sure there are things I haven't considered." So this is Mr writing here. I previously held solo profiles on this site and others for many years before meeting the love of my life. I can tell you what worked for me; patience, respectful messages. Being willing to accept the power balance here is quite understandably in favour of women and couples, this means you cant feel entitled to a response, you should be prepared to send a face pic and take no's gracefully. I did always do very well here and I cant relate massively to some of the stories other guys share. I know I am lucky but its worth remembering looks or a big dick arent a substitute for personality. My favourite fab meets were always with folks I connected with on more than a purely physical level. Good luck. Mr Libs. | |||
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"We're very sympathetic to how single guys are regarded in 'the scene' D was one a while before we met, with reasonable results as I've seen 😉 However when we do open our filters occasionally because we are actively for a bi guy (feel that's explained sufficiently on our profile) the messages we receive disappoint him no end, cock pic's, want to fuck your Mrs, I'm listed as straight but really I'm bi and so on.. There's a lot of very decent guys here, some we've 'met' and others who we've had enjoyable banter and chats with. But unfortunately there's a huge number who act like a horny teenager having found his first porn mag/site. X " We have found it to be the same as it's difficult to find a proper swinger single male rather than the mass of guys who have joined the site after seeing a media article and think it's a meat market and guaranteed shag. We tend to meet single males in clubs and monitor theor behaviour in the club before approaching them. This has paid dividends as we have found some really nice single guys who otherwise might have slipped through the net as it were. | |||
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"Yeah, seems like the regular single male experience." Absolutely this 👍 If you’re looking to meet women, you need to go where women are. And that simply isn’t in Fab. I haven’t done too badly through Fab over the years, but the best friends I’ve made were through the other site I use alongside Fab. This includes a hotwife lover to a genuine cuckold couple I have been seeing for 10 years now…. Try a club for a change, but don’t go out of your way to visit one, and avoid those which sting you for annual membership from the get-go. You might get lucky on the night, or you may find it’s just like Fab under one roof for the evening…..🤭 | |||
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"OP you have had 6 meets in 6 months so I would say you are doing very well and just keep doing what you are doing." 6 veris from two social nights. His thread here is about zero responses through Fab..... | |||
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"Ugh it's not a numbers game guys! Hate this narrative Either people like you or they don't and vice versa " There's a couple I follow in here, and the wife has posted 25 veris from single guys through July (so far) alone. I've not had a meet this year, only two last year, one of which was only a social. I would say it is a numbers game for some.... | |||
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"Ugh it's not a numbers game guys! Hate this narrative Either people like you or they don't and vice versa There's a couple I follow in here, and the wife has posted 25 veris from single guys through July (so far) alone. I've not had a meet this year, only two last year, one of which was only a social. I would say it is a numbers game for some...." Maybe she's not too fussy about who she meets? Maybe she meets very close to home Who knows Either you like someone or you don't Her veris don't mean anything tbh | |||
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"OP you have had 6 meets in 6 months so I would say you are doing very well and just keep doing what you are doing. 6 veris from two social nights. His thread here is about zero responses through Fab....." Joining fab and paying your subscription is not the fast lane to wall to wall vagina (or cock if that is your preference ). People don't get responses to messages or meets because either they don't like the messages or the profile of the sender. If you want a different outcome then reflect on what you are doing and make some changes. | |||
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"OP you have had 6 meets in 6 months so I would say you are doing very well and just keep doing what you are doing. 6 veris from two social nights. His thread here is about zero responses through Fab..... This should be the header as people log onto the site tbh Joining fab and paying your subscription is not the fast lane to wall to wall vagina (or cock if that is your preference ). People don't get responses to messages or meets because either they don't like the messages or the profile of the sender. If you want a different outcome then reflect on what you are doing and make some changes. " | |||
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"OP you have had 6 meets in 6 months so I would say you are doing very well and just keep doing what you are doing. 6 veris from two social nights. His thread here is about zero responses through Fab..... Joining fab and paying your subscription is not the fast lane to wall to wall vagina (or cock if that is your preference ). People don't get responses to messages or meets because either they don't like the messages or the profile of the sender. If you want a different outcome then reflect on what you are doing and make some changes. " This is without doubt the best bit of advice on this thread. | |||
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"Ugh it's not a numbers game guys! Hate this narrative Either people like you or they don't and vice versa There's a couple I follow in here, and the wife has posted 25 veris from single guys through July (so far) alone. I've not had a meet this year, only two last year, one of which was only a social. I would say it is a numbers game for some...." It is a numbers game it's also a body autonomy game If she wants to meet 1000 guys in one month who cares? Its her vagina | |||
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"Ugh it's not a numbers game guys! Hate this narrative Either people like you or they don't and vice versa There's a couple I follow in here, and the wife has posted 25 veris from single guys through July (so far) alone. I've not had a meet this year, only two last year, one of which was only a social. I would say it is a numbers game for some...." The majority of the verifications I have are from people I met at clubs, social and parties or we had a social meet first! A single or coupled woman is not going to meet a random stranger man alone, especially when they are not close by. As a single guy before the internet you had to go to parties and socials and clubs but for some reason people think everyone on the internet will meet them for sex. Most sensible women know not to do that. Most sensible husbands and boyfriends will not let their women alone with a random stranger man. I'm definitely a single woman who spends less time on Fab "following" or wanking over profiles and more time planning my meets at socials and clubs. I stopped doing one-to-one meets with single guys away from the safety of the clubs after the last one touched and kissed me without consent, even though it was supposed to be a social meet. After I was safely away from him, I texted him to say that he breached consent and that he should ask permission before kissing because I have an STI/STD. lol! He was like, "Why didn't you tell me before?" I said why didn't you ask before touching or kissing. I did not have an oral STI/STD So if a single guy wants to meet me, he has to meet me at a club. The end. My face isn't hidden, and I'm often the only one or one of a few big black women in the clubs I go to... so men who put the effort in meet me....and give me their fab name so I can message them! One of my swinger partners showed me his women's search in a 5-mile radius, which was like 100 single women, and my search was 1000 single men in a 5-mile radius. We should make that a forum topic. Good luck but I won't personally be risking my safety meeting single men anymore alone. All of my poly partners I met in clubs, socials or at a social meet with their female partner/wife/girl friend. | |||
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"We know single guys who are barely on fab , have no verifications but play with lots of women at clubs. They are reasonably attractive but not totally hot, not creepy but know how to talk to women and couples and they fuck well. Believe it or not this type of man is in short supply at many of the events we go to. " You have a lot of single male veris from black guys with big cocks. Can you recommend a club/event for a straight white guy? You will see from my veris I visited V2V last month, which wasn’t the busiest, but does prove I put myself out there 👍 | |||
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"Ugh it's not a numbers game guys! Hate this narrative Either people like you or they don't and vice versa There's a couple I follow in here, and the wife has posted 25 veris from single guys through July (so far) alone. I've not had a meet this year, only two last year, one of which was only a social. I would say it is a numbers game for some.... The majority of the verifications I have are from people I met at clubs, social and parties or we had a social meet first! A single or coupled woman is not going to meet a random stranger man alone, especially when they are not close by. As a single guy before the internet you had to go to parties and socials and clubs but for some reason people think everyone on the internet will meet them for sex. Most sensible women know not to do that. Most sensible husbands and boyfriends will not let their women alone with a random stranger man. I'm definitely a single woman who spends less time on Fab "following" or wanking over profiles and more time planning my meets at socials and clubs. I stopped doing one-to-one meets with single guys away from the safety of the clubs after the last one touched and kissed me without consent, even though it was supposed to be a social meet. After I was safely away from him, I texted him to say that he breached consent and that he should ask permission before kissing because I have an STI/STD. lol! He was like, "Why didn't you tell me before?" I said why didn't you ask before touching or kissing. I did not have an oral STI/STD So if a single guy wants to meet me, he has to meet me at a club. The end. My face isn't hidden, and I'm often the only one or one of a few big black women in the clubs I go to... so men who put the effort in meet me....and give me their fab name so I can message them! One of my swinger partners showed me his women's search in a 5-mile radius, which was like 100 single women, and my search was 1000 single men in a 5-mile radius. We should make that a forum topic. Good luck but I won't personally be risking my safety meeting single men anymore alone. All of my poly partners I met in clubs, socials or at a social meet with their female partner/wife/girl friend." Well that was interesting! I searched for ‘single ladies looking to meet a man of my age within 5 miles’, which revealed; 6 profiles……🤭 | |||
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"Ugh it's not a numbers game guys! Hate this narrative Either people like you or they don't and vice versa There's a couple I follow in here, and the wife has posted 25 veris from single guys through July (so far) alone. I've not had a meet this year, only two last year, one of which was only a social. I would say it is a numbers game for some.... The majority of the verifications I have are from people I met at clubs, social and parties or we had a social meet first! A single or coupled woman is not going to meet a random stranger man alone, especially when they are not close by. As a single guy before the internet you had to go to parties and socials and clubs but for some reason people think everyone on the internet will meet them for sex. Most sensible women know not to do that. Most sensible husbands and boyfriends will not let their women alone with a random stranger man. I'm definitely a single woman who spends less time on Fab "following" or wanking over profiles and more time planning my meets at socials and clubs. I stopped doing one-to-one meets with single guys away from the safety of the clubs after the last one touched and kissed me without consent, even though it was supposed to be a social meet. After I was safely away from him, I texted him to say that he breached consent and that he should ask permission before kissing because I have an STI/STD. lol! He was like, "Why didn't you tell me before?" I said why didn't you ask before touching or kissing. I did not have an oral STI/STD So if a single guy wants to meet me, he has to meet me at a club. The end. My face isn't hidden, and I'm often the only one or one of a few big black women in the clubs I go to... so men who put the effort in meet me....and give me their fab name so I can message them! One of my swinger partners showed me his women's search in a 5-mile radius, which was like 100 single women, and my search was 1000 single men in a 5-mile radius. We should make that a forum topic. Good luck but I won't personally be risking my safety meeting single men anymore alone. All of my poly partners I met in clubs, socials or at a social meet with their female partner/wife/girl friend. Well that was interesting! I searched for ‘single ladies looking to meet a man of my age within 5 miles’, which revealed; 6 profiles……🤭" Having too much time on my hands, and aided by AI for some demographic information I calculated 1 in 600 women in Penrith are both on FAB and would consider sex with a man your age based on an assumption they would be most likely between the ages of 40 and 70. It would be interesting to reverse search how many men there are looking for single women. | |||
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"Ugh it's not a numbers game guys! Hate this narrative Either people like you or they don't and vice versa There's a couple I follow in here, and the wife has posted 25 veris from single guys through July (so far) alone. I've not had a meet this year, only two last year, one of which was only a social. I would say it is a numbers game for some.... The majority of the verifications I have are from people I met at clubs, social and parties or we had a social meet first! A single or coupled woman is not going to meet a random stranger man alone, especially when they are not close by. As a single guy before the internet you had to go to parties and socials and clubs but for some reason people think everyone on the internet will meet them for sex. Most sensible women know not to do that. Most sensible husbands and boyfriends will not let their women alone with a random stranger man. I'm definitely a single woman who spends less time on Fab "following" or wanking over profiles and more time planning my meets at socials and clubs. I stopped doing one-to-one meets with single guys away from the safety of the clubs after the last one touched and kissed me without consent, even though it was supposed to be a social meet. After I was safely away from him, I texted him to say that he breached consent and that he should ask permission before kissing because I have an STI/STD. lol! He was like, "Why didn't you tell me before?" I said why didn't you ask before touching or kissing. I did not have an oral STI/STD So if a single guy wants to meet me, he has to meet me at a club. The end. My face isn't hidden, and I'm often the only one or one of a few big black women in the clubs I go to... so men who put the effort in meet me....and give me their fab name so I can message them! One of my swinger partners showed me his women's search in a 5-mile radius, which was like 100 single women, and my search was 1000 single men in a 5-mile radius. We should make that a forum topic. Good luck but I won't personally be risking my safety meeting single men anymore alone. All of my poly partners I met in clubs, socials or at a social meet with their female partner/wife/girl friend. Well that was interesting! I searched for ‘single ladies looking to meet a man of my age within 5 miles’, which revealed; 6 profiles……🤭 Having too much time on my hands, and aided by AI for some demographic information I calculated 1 in 600 women in Penrith are both on FAB and would consider sex with a man your age based on an assumption they would be most likely between the ages of 40 and 70. It would be interesting to reverse search how many men there are looking for single women. " After 14 years of using Fab, I can honestly say I’ve only met 3 ladies from the Penrith area through the site. I hope you don’t make major decisions in your life, using AI as the measuring stick…….😂 | |||
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"Having been let down so many times in past sometimes we get reasons for such others are extremely rare occurrence lol , many no shows and ghosting,we not posted a meet in months,seems most guys think that if we post a meet for 2-3 extra guys many say they will attend but then bottle it or think hubby just not up to satisfying me which is not the case and are disrespectful towards him ,but I live in hope one day to experience such " The difficulty obviously is the ratio of men to women/couples. This though creates added difficulties. Due to the disproportionate numbers single women and couples can pick and choose, which means some ok f them let the popularity go to their heads a bit and therefore a level of exclusivity exists. Which is why some put certain barriers up like ages restrictions or will only encourage site supporters. I personally consider this to be an oversight, especially when said site supporters still don't turn up for meets. Good luck and don't take it personally. | |||
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" Well that was interesting! I searched for ‘single ladies looking to meet a man of my age within 5 miles’, which revealed; 6 profiles……🤭" Yup and I live in London! There will be even less interest in lower populations. 6 explains why reality of those no interest situations. half won't be attracted to you. leave 3. Half of 3 won't be compatible with you. that leaves 1.5. Half of 1.5 will be toxic. that leaves 0.25. half of 0.25 will want to do something sexually that you don't want to do. This explains it. Also as you get older, more people drop out of this kind of lifestyle or they are just happy being single and/or celibate. | |||
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"Ugh it's not a numbers game guys! Hate this narrative Either people like you or they don't and vice versa There's a couple I follow in here, and the wife has posted 25 veris from single guys through July (so far) alone. I've not had a meet this year, only two last year, one of which was only a social. I would say it is a numbers game for some.... The majority of the verifications I have are from people I met at clubs, social and parties or we had a social meet first! A single or coupled woman is not going to meet a random stranger man alone, especially when they are not close by. As a single guy before the internet you had to go to parties and socials and clubs but for some reason people think everyone on the internet will meet them for sex. Most sensible women know not to do that. Most sensible husbands and boyfriends will not let their women alone with a random stranger man. I'm definitely a single woman who spends less time on Fab "following" or wanking over profiles and more time planning my meets at socials and clubs. I stopped doing one-to-one meets with single guys away from the safety of the clubs after the last one touched and kissed me without consent, even though it was supposed to be a social meet. After I was safely away from him, I texted him to say that he breached consent and that he should ask permission before kissing because I have an STI/STD. lol! He was like, "Why didn't you tell me before?" I said why didn't you ask before touching or kissing. I did not have an oral STI/STD So if a single guy wants to meet me, he has to meet me at a club. The end. My face isn't hidden, and I'm often the only one or one of a few big black women in the clubs I go to... so men who put the effort in meet me....and give me their fab name so I can message them! One of my swinger partners showed me his women's search in a 5-mile radius, which was like 100 single women, and my search was 1000 single men in a 5-mile radius. We should make that a forum topic. Good luck but I won't personally be risking my safety meeting single men anymore alone. All of my poly partners I met in clubs, socials or at a social meet with their female partner/wife/girl friend. Well that was interesting! I searched for ‘single ladies looking to meet a man of my age within 5 miles’, which revealed; 6 profiles……🤭 Having too much time on my hands, and aided by AI for some demographic information I calculated 1 in 600 women in Penrith are both on FAB and would consider sex with a man your age based on an assumption they would be most likely between the ages of 40 and 70. It would be interesting to reverse search how many men there are looking for single women. After 14 years of using Fab, I can honestly say I’ve only met 3 ladies from the Penrith area through the site. I hope you don’t make major decisions in your life, using AI as the measuring stick…….😂" Ok, I had to know and clearly have to much time on my hands, but I did the search and for every woman looking for a man around your age in Penrith there are 38 men looking for a similar aged woman. Probably why FAB crushes so many men’s, admittedly wildly optimistic, dreams of signing up as a route to effortless casual sex on tap. AI, once you work how to use it effectively and understand its limitations is an awesome tool that has made my life so much easier in so many ways, even if it probably will be what causes the destruction of human society as we know it if we are to believe what has been revealed this week. | |||
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" Well that was interesting! I searched for ‘single ladies looking to meet a man of my age within 5 miles’, which revealed; 6 profiles……🤭 Having too much time on my hands, and aided by AI for some demographic information I calculated 1 in 600 women in Penrith are both on FAB and would consider sex with a man your age based on an assumption they would be most likely between the ages of 40 and 70. It would be interesting to reverse search how many men there are looking for single women. " A lot of time on your hands but it does explain a lot the lack of interest for a lot of people. I rarely see these complaints from Londoners. It's usually someone who lives remote and/or is introverted and/or doesn't want to socialise regularly. Half of my verifications are from swinger socials meets. I live in London. I travel and I do something in the lifestyle in person at least once a week so I am known and recognised. So people know I'm a loveable weirdo...not a creepy weirdo or a crazy weirdo.  | |||
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" Well that was interesting! I searched for ‘single ladies looking to meet a man of my age within 5 miles’, which revealed; 6 profiles……🤭 Having too much time on my hands, and aided by AI for some demographic information I calculated 1 in 600 women in Penrith are both on FAB and would consider sex with a man your age based on an assumption they would be most likely between the ages of 40 and 70. It would be interesting to reverse search how many men there are looking for single women. A lot of time on your hands but it does explain a lot the lack of interest for a lot of people. I rarely see these complaints from Londoners. It's usually someone who lives remote and/or is introverted and/or doesn't want to socialise regularly. Half of my verifications are from swinger socials meets. I live in London. I travel and I do something in the lifestyle in person at least once a week so I am known and recognised. So people know I'm a loveable weirdo...not a creepy weirdo or a crazy weirdo. "Where do you get my lack of interest for a lot of people from any of my comments? We both love all sorts of people, are extroverts and live in an urban area but have lived mostly and spend most of our time in cities, London sometimes being one. As you can see from our veris, we do socialise and people generally enjoy meeting us. I am not complaining about anything either, fab and the scene in works fine for our needs. I was just looking at some numbers and I thought, harmlessly passing the time with the guy from Penrith in what I thought was a slightly humorous way. I didn’t make any comment about you. If our paths crossed, I am sure we would all get on. We like crazy weirdo. | |||
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"We know single guys who are barely on fab , have no verifications but play with lots of women at clubs. They are reasonably attractive but not totally hot, not creepy but know how to talk to women and couples and they fuck well. Believe it or not this type of man is in short supply at many of the events we go to. You have a lot of single male veris from black guys with big cocks. Can you recommend a club/event for a straight white guy? You will see from my veris I visited V2V last month, which wasn’t the busiest, but does prove I put myself out there 👍" Just seen this, obviously avoid interracial themed nights Libs on a Friday night, Chams on any night other than Saturday, although membership is difficult perhaps go to the bbw event first where you don't need membership Lots of Pandoras events there is a shortage of decent single guys. Same for quest Cupids is close for you they have loads of events where single guys are in demand Literally every club has a hotwife / greedy/ extra man night. Call it what you will. And yes black men with big cocks do well at these nights but lots of couples and singles women are like us and play with decent white guys as well, if they can talk and not just creepily follow you about. Go to the social areas and try and make connections. | |||
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"We know single guys who are barely on fab , have no verifications but play with lots of women at clubs. They are reasonably attractive but not totally hot, not creepy but know how to talk to women and couples and they fuck well. Believe it or not this type of man is in short supply at many of the events we go to. You have a lot of single male veris from black guys with big cocks. Can you recommend a club/event for a straight white guy? You will see from my veris I visited V2V last month, which wasn’t the busiest, but does prove I put myself out there 👍 Just seen this, obviously avoid interracial themed nights Libs on a Friday night, Chams on any night other than Saturday, although membership is difficult perhaps go to the bbw event first where you don't need membership Lots of Pandoras events there is a shortage of decent single guys. Same for quest Cupids is close for you they have loads of events where single guys are in demand Literally every club has a hotwife / greedy/ extra man night. Call it what you will. And yes black men with big cocks do well at these nights but lots of couples and singles women are like us and play with decent white guys as well, if they can talk and not just creepily follow you about. Go to the social areas and try and make connections. " For Pandoras (and other clubs), what do you think is the reason for this mass shortage of decent single guys? | |||
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"Reasons.. Single men aren't treated particularly well by most clubs and some club goers Entrance fees are higher which isn't fair Can be daunting and a bit lonely on the wrong night Lots of guys are socially awkward so unless they are fit as fuck play is unlikely to happen We find guys that are mates and have a rapport are good to bounce off Find another male friend in the scene makes it easier " - At least so far, I haven't been treated hostile or bad at clubs. But a lot of the time it basically does feel like I'm invisible - The only ridiculous fee I've seen so far is £80 entrance for guys. Most of the time it's reasonable-ish. But yeah, having to pay double than couples or women is a bit of a downer. I understand why clubs do it, and I don't blame them, but can still suck sometimes. - I'm definitely in the camp of awkward and introverted, combined with not-so-attractive. So yeah, that just adds to the daunting feeling. | |||
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" Entrance fees are higher which isn't fair " That’s capitalism. | |||
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" Entrance fees are higher which isn't fair That’s capitalism." Women get in free/cheaper because they are the product Clubs know men will pay the higher prices because of numbers, however women are fewer and far between so they need more reasons to entice them to attend | |||
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"Reasons.. Single men aren't treated particularly well by most clubs and some club goers Entrance fees are higher which isn't fair Can be daunting and a bit lonely on the wrong night Lots of guys are socially awkward so unless they are fit as fuck play is unlikely to happen We find guys that are mates and have a rapport are good to bounce off Find another male friend in the scene makes it easier - At least so far, I haven't been treated hostile or bad at clubs. But a lot of the time it basically does feel like I'm invisible - The only ridiculous fee I've seen so far is £80 entrance for guys. Most of the time it's reasonable-ish. But yeah, having to pay double than couples or women is a bit of a downer. I understand why clubs do it, and I don't blame them, but can still suck sometimes. - I'm definitely in the camp of awkward and introverted, combined with not-so-attractive. So yeah, that just adds to the daunting feeling." Where do you normally go if you dont mind us asking? £80 is crazy | |||
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"Reasons.. Single men aren't treated particularly well by most clubs and some club goers Entrance fees are higher which isn't fair Can be daunting and a bit lonely on the wrong night Lots of guys are socially awkward so unless they are fit as fuck play is unlikely to happen We find guys that are mates and have a rapport are good to bounce off Find another male friend in the scene makes it easier - At least so far, I haven't been treated hostile or bad at clubs. But a lot of the time it basically does feel like I'm invisible - The only ridiculous fee I've seen so far is £80 entrance for guys. Most of the time it's reasonable-ish. But yeah, having to pay double than couples or women is a bit of a downer. I understand why clubs do it, and I don't blame them, but can still suck sometimes. - I'm definitely in the camp of awkward and introverted, combined with not-so-attractive. So yeah, that just adds to the daunting feeling. Where do you normally go if you dont mind us asking? £80 is crazy " I've done Club Play, Cupid's and Xtasia. Yeah the £80 is insane and very off putting. I would never pay that much just for an entrance fee. | |||
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"Entrance fees are higher which isn't fair" The thing is, most single guys would agree with the idea of giving single women and couples a big discount with the idea of getting them to attend. It's better to pay £80 and there be lots of women, than to pay £40 and there be almost none. Where it goes too far is clubs that provide less nice changing rooms for single guys, or try and get as many guys in as possible without caring about the quality. (Quality is about knowing how to behave, not about your looks.) | |||
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