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"I (Bry) very rarely join in, but Char almost never fancies both half of a couple. Granted, she's very fussy, but still it's one in a hundred. And that's without all the couples' profiles that don't have any pics of the guy." …and she’s entitled to be fussy imo. If you don’t fancy somebody, what’s the point? We’ve played the percentage game in pubs & don’t want this to sound like we are up our own backsides (we most definitely aren’t) but we both estimated we are attracted to about 5-10% of other people tops. And the same is possibly true in reverse… Then you try & transfer that maths to a four way attraction & no wonder it’s difficult? | |||
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"I (Bry) very rarely join in, but Char almost never fancies both half of a couple. Granted, she's very fussy, but still it's one in a hundred. And that's without all the couples' profiles that don't have any pics of the guy. …and she’s entitled to be fussy imo. If you don’t fancy somebody, what’s the point? We’ve played the percentage game in pubs & don’t want this to sound like we are up our own backsides (we most definitely aren’t) but we both estimated we are attracted to about 5-10% of other people tops. And the same is possibly true in reverse… Then you try & transfer that maths to a four way attraction & no wonder it’s difficult?" Couldn't agree more. We do the same ourselves. | |||
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"I (Bry) very rarely join in, but Char almost never fancies both half of a couple. Granted, she's very fussy, but still it's one in a hundred. And that's without all the couples' profiles that don't have any pics of the guy. …and she’s entitled to be fussy imo. If you don’t fancy somebody, what’s the point? We’ve played the percentage game in pubs & don’t want this to sound like we are up our own backsides (we most definitely aren’t) but we both estimated we are attracted to about 5-10% of other people tops. And the same is possibly true in reverse… Then you try & transfer that maths to a four way attraction & no wonder it’s difficult? Couldn't agree more. We do the same ourselves. " We also play this game in pubs and also out and about, I’m the fussier one but also it’s harder because of our age gap because the people my age like me but normally don’t like my other half. The people his age I normally don’t fancy as much. Then if some stroke of luck we find a couple who fancy us as much as we fancy them the schedules never fit and the chat goes stale. We have had 3 really decent socials where there has been attraction all around but still haven’t got round to actually playing, clubs it’s so much easier because you can see there and then if there’s chemistry and can play there and then if that’s what everyone wants. Single men do moan that they get it hard but us couples finding a 4 way connection is even harder! | |||
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"….any other couples find this extremely difficult? We’ve primarily gone down the Hotwifing route as a result. I (Mr) also have permission to play separately but in reality, competition is so fierce on Fab amongst males, I don’t bother going down that route… " We have certainly found this too. | |||
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"I (Bry) very rarely join in, but Char almost never fancies both half of a couple. Granted, she's very fussy, but still it's one in a hundred. And that's without all the couples' profiles that don't have any pics of the guy. …and she’s entitled to be fussy imo. If you don’t fancy somebody, what’s the point? We’ve played the percentage game in pubs & don’t want this to sound like we are up our own backsides (we most definitely aren’t) but we both estimated we are attracted to about 5-10% of other people tops. And the same is possibly true in reverse… Then you try & transfer that maths to a four way attraction & no wonder it’s difficult? Couldn't agree more. We do the same ourselves. We also play this game in pubs and also out and about, I’m the fussier one but also it’s harder because of our age gap because the people my age like me but normally don’t like my other half. The people his age I normally don’t fancy as much. Then if some stroke of luck we find a couple who fancy us as much as we fancy them the schedules never fit and the chat goes stale. We have had 3 really decent socials where there has been attraction all around but still haven’t got round to actually playing, clubs it’s so much easier because you can see there and then if there’s chemistry and can play there and then if that’s what everyone wants. Single men do moan that they get it hard but us couples finding a 4 way connection is even harder! " Completely agree, when I was a single male, I found it far easier getting meets on here with couples and single females, than we did as a couple trying meet couples from Fab. That’s why clubs are so great and makes the process so much easier and stress free | |||
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"Yep half a couple here. We mainly use our individual profiles, we met here. Half the time you can't see the man on couple account, then it's so hard to get it where there's attraction for all involved. Factor in that I'm straight too, so we only do partner swap and it's even harder, as most couples want some ff fun. " Yeah, I understand being a straight female means that the ones wanting a bi fem overlook you. That said I’m bi but completely happy to do to a straight swap with no touching the female so I don’t see why others can’t ? | |||
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"Yep half a couple here. We mainly use our individual profiles, we met here. Half the time you can't see the man on couple account, then it's so hard to get it where there's attraction for all involved. Factor in that I'm straight too, so we only do partner swap and it's even harder, as most couples want some ff fun. Yeah, I understand being a straight female means that the ones wanting a bi fem overlook you. That said I’m bi but completely happy to do to a straight swap with no touching the female so I don’t see why others can’t ? " We've been told no before , because I'm straight, that's fine people can choose what suits them. I much prefer the ones who are honest about how they play though. If people are happy to play straight, I'm all cool with that. Sadly many say they are and unfortunately aren't. We've chatted to couples who say they're happy with straight swap only, then try to push for ftf kissing or have told me they can turn me etc,they'd happily be my first etc. I wish I was curious at times as it'd be much easier, but sadly it's just not in me. Yet many people assume all ladies are bi, one reason I have couples blocked on this profile. It's really hard as not all profiles are upfront about what they actually want.some ladies are listing as straight on couple accounts when they're anything but. | |||
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"Yep half a couple here. We mainly use our individual profiles, we met here. Half the time you can't see the man on couple account, then it's so hard to get it where there's attraction for all involved. Factor in that I'm straight too, so we only do partner swap and it's even harder, as most couples want some ff fun. Yeah, I understand being a straight female means that the ones wanting a bi fem overlook you. That said I’m bi but completely happy to do to a straight swap with no touching the female so I don’t see why others can’t ? " Same our preference would be FF but it isn’t essential and we certainly wouldn’t rule anyone out because of it. | |||
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"our preference would be FF but it isn’t essential and we certainly wouldn’t rule anyone out because of it. " We think that, because I don't play much at all, the fact that we only look for couples with a bi female in makes us a lot less attractive to most couples. But as has been said, best be upfront that have a couple turn up expecting me to be shagging 
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"Yep half a couple here. We mainly use our individual profiles, we met here. Half the time you can't see the man on couple account, then it's so hard to get it where there's attraction for all involved. Factor in that I'm straight too, so we only do partner swap and it's even harder, as most couples want some ff fun. Yeah, I understand being a straight female means that the ones wanting a bi fem overlook you. That said I’m bi but completely happy to do to a straight swap with no touching the female so I don’t see why others can’t ? We've been told no before , because I'm straight, that's fine people can choose what suits them. I much prefer the ones who are honest about how they play though. If people are happy to play straight, I'm all cool with that. Sadly many say they are and unfortunately aren't. We've chatted to couples who say they're happy with straight swap only, then try to push for ftf kissing or have told me they can turn me etc,they'd happily be my first etc. I wish I was curious at times as it'd be much easier, but sadly it's just not in me. Yet many people assume all ladies are bi, one reason I have couples blocked on this profile. It's really hard as not all profiles are upfront about what they actually want.some ladies are listing as straight on couple accounts when they're anything but. " That’s such a shame because I would never ever try it on with a girl or try and be her first if she’s told me she’s straight. I have had one instance when a woman said she was straight but kissed me and of course I kissed her back but didn’t expect anything else or push for it. It’s the same as my man he’s straight yet sometimes bi men have tried it on thinking he in the moment might change his mind. He doesn’t and won’t lol so he gets your pain! | |||
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"Yep half a couple here. We mainly use our individual profiles, we met here. Half the time you can't see the man on couple account, then it's so hard to get it where there's attraction for all involved. Factor in that I'm straight too, so we only do partner swap and it's even harder, as most couples want some ff fun. Yeah, I understand being a straight female means that the ones wanting a bi fem overlook you. That said I’m bi but completely happy to do to a straight swap with no touching the female so I don’t see why others can’t ? We've been told no before , because I'm straight, that's fine people can choose what suits them. I much prefer the ones who are honest about how they play though. If people are happy to play straight, I'm all cool with that. Sadly many say they are and unfortunately aren't. We've chatted to couples who say they're happy with straight swap only, then try to push for ftf kissing or have told me they can turn me etc,they'd happily be my first etc. I wish I was curious at times as it'd be much easier, but sadly it's just not in me. Yet many people assume all ladies are bi, one reason I have couples blocked on this profile. It's really hard as not all profiles are upfront about what they actually want.some ladies are listing as straight on couple accounts when they're anything but. That’s such a shame because I would never ever try it on with a girl or try and be her first if she’s told me she’s straight. I have had one instance when a woman said she was straight but kissed me and of course I kissed her back but didn’t expect anything else or push for it. It’s the same as my man he’s straight yet sometimes bi men have tried it on thinking he in the moment might change his mind. He doesn’t and won’t lol so he gets your pain! " I think some people just don't respect others boundaries. It's not a gender thing, it's a person thing. It just seems easier to meet those who are looking for the same, ie just partner swaps. That's so difficult though in reality, that we both kept our single accounts and meet alone now. I don't tar everyone with the same brush. But,we've had a few conversations with couples over the ten years we've been here, where they've not been totally honest about their intentions. When there are plenty of couples with bi fems looking for ff play, why try it with those who aren't. I just don't get it. | |||
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"How can I get my wife involved??" . You talk to her, ask her if she'd be interested in you both meeting other people together. If she says no, leave it. Not everyone wants to swing I'm afraid it you know your wife better than we do. | |||
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"We have given up on couple swaps. Ja just doesn't really get turned on by other women. He loves watching me have fun with guys and ladies, and will join in giving pleasure to us ladies (which he really enjoys) but ultimately only gets off on receiving pleasure from, and fucking me - not what I expected when we started this swinging journey! It's extremely difficult to find a couple where the woman isn't put off by Ja not wanting to fuck them. 😬" I think that’s completely understandable, we try to be as flexible as possible it’s a shame you’ve struggled to find that | |||
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"Yep half a couple here. We mainly use our individual profiles, we met here. Half the time you can't see the man on couple account, then it's so hard to get it where there's attraction for all involved. Factor in that I'm straight too, so we only do partner swap and it's even harder, as most couples want some ff fun. Yeah, I understand being a straight female means that the ones wanting a bi fem overlook you. That said I’m bi but completely happy to do to a straight swap with no touching the female so I don’t see why others can’t ? We've been told no before , because I'm straight, that's fine people can choose what suits them. I much prefer the ones who are honest about how they play though. If people are happy to play straight, I'm all cool with that. Sadly many say they are and unfortunately aren't. We've chatted to couples who say they're happy with straight swap only, then try to push for ftf kissing or have told me they can turn me etc,they'd happily be my first etc. I wish I was curious at times as it'd be much easier, but sadly it's just not in me. Yet many people assume all ladies are bi, one reason I have couples blocked on this profile. It's really hard as not all profiles are upfront about what they actually want.some ladies are listing as straight on couple accounts when they're anything but. That’s such a shame because I would never ever try it on with a girl or try and be her first if she’s told me she’s straight. I have had one instance when a woman said she was straight but kissed me and of course I kissed her back but didn’t expect anything else or push for it. It’s the same as my man he’s straight yet sometimes bi men have tried it on thinking he in the moment might change his mind. He doesn’t and won’t lol so he gets your pain! I think some people just don't respect others boundaries. It's not a gender thing, it's a person thing. It just seems easier to meet those who are looking for the same, ie just partner swaps. That's so difficult though in reality, that we both kept our single accounts and meet alone now. I don't tar everyone with the same brush. But,we've had a few conversations with couples over the ten years we've been here, where they've not been totally honest about their intentions. When there are plenty of couples with bi fems looking for ff play, why try it with those who aren't. I just don't get it. " I guess this certainly does happen but it's a choice. And it's normally founded by lack of deep desire for the opposing party so they push for FF to break up the play. Boundaries are important. We have them and expect people to respect them so it needs to work both ways. Sometimes wonder if we're viewed in that manner despite our impeccable behaviour with others in person! It is what it is though! | |||
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"Attraction is a strange thing. We have met couples where they were both very attractive until they started talking and conversely people who we didn't find attractive initially but whose humour, fun and naughtiness made them very attractive. It is certainly more difficult finding both attractive as a couple and often easier to meet singles, even unicorns if you have a few verifications already but life would be very boring if it was always plain sailing." Completely agree with this, we’ve fancied couples and then when talking to them or seeing them in action we changed our minds. We’ve also met couples that we were not initially attracted to but after talking to them or watching them play, we changed our view and found them really attractive. It makes clubs the only option for us, as I think if we tried to find couples on here we’d never actually swing | |||
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"We have found it exactly the same as you’ve said. We’ve even followed the same path, that our meets now are with single males and I’ll watch the fun, or now that H is now meeting single men alone and filming and talking to me while she’s with the other man. She’s also allowed me to play alone, (she said on Saturday for me to find a couple or a woman to play with as she’s away on holiday) I haven’t even bothered as I know I wouldn’t stand a chance against the thousands of other men on here. All this started about a year ago, when we met another couple, all was going so well that we eventually got invited to their bedroom, the male showed us the way and his wife said she’d follow us down. So ourselves and the male went in the bedroom and H and he got naked, started kissing and touching straight away, I got undressed watching, his wife then comes upstairs sees what’s happening and freaks out. The evening abruptly ended and later they said that she blamed him for ignoring her during the evening, which we find hard to believe. To this day I think I didn’t match up to her husband, hence the reaction. We’ve not seen another couple since, I’ve always said I prefer to watch H, which is true but I would like to play with other couples, it’s just that evening has knocked my confidence for six." How awful that must have been & I’m inclined to agree with your instincts there. It’s difficult to put it mildly. You know how it goes, eg I may fancy the lady but the Mrs may not fancy the man & the couple don’t do solo meets. Then chemistry is usually required, that’s another potential barrier. Hotwifing is just so much easier as long as the hubby gets off on it as fortunately I myself do - the rampant demand from men is there on tap & the lady gets to pick & choose. That said even though ‘it’s easier’ you even get more than your fair share of time wasters & fantasists amongst the single male community as you are doubtless aware! | |||
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"….any other couples find this extremely difficult? We’ve primarily gone down the Hotwifing route as a result. I (Mr) also have permission to play separately but in reality, competition is so fierce on Fab amongst males, I don’t bother going down that route… " Exactly this. Which is why we hotwife more too now | |||
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