FabSwingers.com forum: using a semi/pro photographer,your experiences

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

was thinking of treating nik to a photo shoot,and not the sort of pics she is going to show her mum

has anyone used a studio?

what sort of price can we expect to pay

would you recommend it for the pics you got?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"was thinking of treating nik to a photo shoot,and not the sort of pics she is going to show her mum

has anyone used a studio?

what sort of price can we expect to pay

would you recommend it for the pics you got?"

There are good photographers who will do the job for next to nothing, there are really shit photographers that will charge the earth. Do your research, would be my advice.

Studio's can be a bit cold and sterile looking for erotica, or you end up working on a studio boudoir set that every man and his dog uses, so it's the same images but with a different model.

Sorry, this probably wasn't that helpful !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *foryoupaCouple
over a year ago

Enola

I have a couple of friends that started out as amatuer photographers, now one owns her own studio and does beautiful boudoir photography. Another doesn't have a studio, but does it in the person's home or wherever.

My sister is by no means professional either, but she has impressed me and I went to school for photography (many moons ago). lol

She does it on the side of her reg job, and she charges $50 set up fee- non refundable, and $175-250 depending on editing... And you get a cd or however she's doing it these days of everything that was taken to have printed anywhere.

My girlfriend uses her studio OR her home OR their home, but I'm not a hundred percent sure how much she charges. I know it's more... probably more like $400.

The other friend, well, I've just seen some of his work awhile back.... didn't talk to him either. But he was doing weddings, and I guess he's expanded. lol

He was charging anywhere between $200-$600 for a wedding (depended on what the couple wanted.

With this said, you have to realize that there are people out there that do it for a living professionally and don't have an "eye" for beauty or photography in general. And vice-versa... there are plenty of people who do it for a hobby or on the side as a business that should have probably been doing it for a living.

Best thing is to ASK to see the type of work you are interested in. LOTS of it. Even if they are venturing out in boudoir, ask to see a good sampling of their work.

All of us have different ideas of "excellent photography", so what one doesn't like, another might just love!

I don't know if this was any help, take what you can... lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are photographers that Will do pics for time for print basis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"was thinking of treating nik to a photo shoot,and not the sort of pics she is going to show her mum

has anyone used a studio?

what sort of price can we expect to pay

would you recommend it for the pics you got?"

If you ever find yourselves in Cornwall I'd be happy to do you a shoot free of charge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Instead of using a studio I would suggest you either used your home or maybe thought about hiring a good hotel room with nice furnishings etc and then used that as a backdrop (and I don't mean Premier Inn) sadly I can't show you the images I take here but if you pm me I can show you images I took at a recent shoot on an external website. Although I'm based in the proper north I do get down south quite a bit on business and I might be able to fit in some photography for fun. Get in touch if you are interested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hi all im new to this site but never receive any messages is this site genuinely worth it or is it my profile or is there any tips any one could give

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You could start by not posting over other people's threads

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By *uckmefackwardsMan
over a year ago

Swindon

I'm a professional photographer. Contact me on here and I'll send links to my site.

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By *allen MadonnaWoman
over a year ago

In my own little world

Remember that the photographer has the rights to the images and therefore can distribute if they wish.

Same as wedding photos. It's the photographers property and you have to buy the copies.

A recent discussion, if you have say a wedding photo that you put on Facebook, and the photographer sees it, they can sue you, as they are the owner of the image.

I'm sure someone will look the legal stuff for for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know Libs have a pro photographer in a few times a year where you give them your SD card and they take some shots of you in the club. Believe they have somewhere private set aside where you can have it done.

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By *iss_BehavingWoman
over a year ago

manchester

"Remember that the photographer has the rights to the images and therefore can distribute if they wish.

Same as wedding photos. It's the photographers property and you have to buy the copies.

A recent discussion, if you have say a wedding photo that you put on Facebook, and the photographer sees it, they can sue you, as they are the owner of the image.

I'm sure someone will look the legal stuff for for me."

Only if you sign a model release form.

and most 'pro' tog's will already have water marked their photos anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a photographer and film maker x

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By *ark CharmerMan
over a year ago

Horsham

You could do it without costs, however there are obviously people on here who have a professional set up.

There are loads of amateur photographers out there who need the practice. I do shoots for females and couples either at there place or hotel.

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

save the Money for the shoot - and go and buy a decent camera and take thousands of photos of your own..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think a few people have already mentioned this, but with any "professional" photographer you should be able to get free consultations and most importantly see their portfolio. If they have normal every day pics of their models and pics of the same people posed and tarted up that would be a plus so you can get a better idea of what they can do.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Remember that the photographer has the rights to the images and therefore can distribute if they wish.

Same as wedding photos. It's the photographers property and you have to buy the copies.

A recent discussion, if you have say a wedding photo that you put on Facebook, and the photographer sees it, they can sue you, as they are the owner of the image.

I'm sure someone will look the legal stuff for for me.

Only if you sign a model release form.

and most 'pro' tog's will already have water marked their photos anyway."

There have been protracted conversations on here about model release forms...they're basically (in this country at least) not worth the paper they're written on and the photographer still owns the copyright anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a cheap pro

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only if you sign a model release form.

No such think as a model release in the UK, thats just for USA and publishers out there who demand to see proof of age etc.

Publishers over here are only concerned with the copyright of the image.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"save the Money for the shoot - and go and buy a decent camera and take thousands of photos of your own..

This!!

It's great fun, much cheaper - and if you don't get it right first time - the practice and trial and error is seriously good fun!!!

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"save the Money for the shoot - and go and buy a decent camera and take thousands of photos of your own..

This!!

It's great fun, much cheaper - and if you don't get it right first time - the practice and trial and error is seriously good fun!!!

WOW - Obi agreed with something i said for once !!! lol..

We always wanted to do the studio type shoot and still kinda do in a way..

But having a decent fast camera means you can have so much Fun and take Hundreds of photos.. with allsorts of backgrounds etc..

Guaranteed if you take a few hundred photos on a fast dslr camera.. it will be a pain in the arse sorting them all out lol - but you should get some really good photos..

as obi said - its all trial and error and Great fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a friend who is a non-glamour model must correct this statement. A model release form is required in this country if the photographer wishes to avoid paying future royalties to the model.

I think there might be some confusion between this and 18 U.S.C. 2257 compliance statement which helps prove a model is of legal age to pose for pornographic material. Despite being US legislative law it's pretty much adopted world wide by adult sites and adult material producers.

If you google model release form UK you see plenty of standard ones. They can be adapted quite legally by clauses both parties sign. For example a model may pose for photo sets for web work but not print magazine or vice versa.

If undertaking a private shoot and no release is signed the photos could in theory still be used by the photographer unless you have an agreement in force that explicit states you are the sole copyright holder and agent for the images distribution.

And if a photographer does use your photos in a manner you are unhappy with would you be happy to go to Court and have possible Press attention and all those lawyers and maybe even barrister looking at them...to say nothing of the cost.

Only if you sign a model release form.

No such think as a model release in the UK, thats just for USA and publishers out there who demand to see proof of age etc.

Publishers over here are only concerned with the copyright of the image.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

in regards to the post above

I suspect if you find a model who gets royalties from images she is scamming a photographer.

The photographer owns the images so why would the model get any royalties

This is what happens when people guess at something.

As for a standard google version...are you really going to use a copy contract off the web..hmm interesting

What is really important for people to know (the law for this country) by posing you have given the right for the photographer to take the picture..good luck in getting a court in this country to think otherwise.

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

Another thing that makes a big difference is post processing which can save a great photo that had lighting or other issues.

For couples a last minute five star hotel room can give the great setting especially with some extra lighting ie LED lights are cheaper now.

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

when we set up a shoot we use nice homes/cottages (can be found on google, some lovely ones in Derby) and have been published many times by using Coombe Abbey. If you get stuck and need advice feel free to drop us a line, we know a few people in the industry x

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By *inful_coupleCouple
over a year ago

Frimley

Lucky for us, our good, gorgeous lady friend is a professional level photographer (unwell so has stopped work for now), and is going to be doing some shoots with Perrie as she is going to be submitting them (at their request) to Front Magazine and Suicide Girls

We'll post some example pics on our profile when they're done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"was thinking of treating nik to a photo shoot,and not the sort of pics she is going to show her mum

has anyone used a studio?

what sort of price can we expect to pay

would you recommend it for the pics you got?"

Why bother? Your existing pics are stunning..probably the best I've seen on Fab. Keep up the good work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh, ... and Sinful_couple's are terrific too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lucky for us, our good, gorgeous lady friend is a professional level photographer (unwell so has stopped work for now), and is going to be doing some shoots with Perrie as she is going to be submitting them (at their request) to Front Magazine and Suicide Girls

We'll post some example pics on our profile when they're done

Have you considered Bizarre too? They're always on the lookout for alt models and the details of where to submit are online and in the mag! You may even end up on the front cover!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im trying to break into the fab market...

Have done a few now for ppl in my little home studio (ask for pics)

Just trying to get my rep out there by beinf prefoesional easy to be aroud and not trying to fuck my modles lol

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By *coobyroo218Couple
over a year ago

Guernsey

"Remember that the photographer has the rights to the images and therefore can distribute if they wish.

Same as wedding photos. It's the photographers property and you have to buy the copies.

A recent discussion, if you have say a wedding photo that you put on Facebook, and the photographer sees it, they can sue you, as they are the owner of the image.

I'm sure someone will look the legal stuff for for me."

Not exactly true.

Yes the photographer will always own the copyright of the pics but he NOT free to do as he wishes with them, he must ask and get you to sign a release form for him to use as he pleases.

If you have bought the pic from him he still owns copyright so as long as its the pic you have purchased you can use it as you wish Facebook etc as long as you are NOT making a profit from it.

If you use an image that you have not paid for I.e it has a water mark and you crop it off then yes he can claim off you for usage.

Copyright is a minefield but in short he owns copyright of pics but cannot do anything with them unless he has permission

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember that the photographer has the rights to the images and therefore can distribute if they wish.

Same as wedding photos. It's the photographers property and you have to buy the copies.

A recent discussion, if you have say a wedding photo that you put on Facebook, and the photographer sees it, they can sue you, as they are the owner of the image.

I'm sure someone will look the legal stuff for for me.

Not exactly true.

Yes the photographer will always own the copyright of the pics but he NOT free to do as he wishes with them, he must ask and get you to sign a release form for him to use as he pleases.

If you have bought the pic from him he still owns copyright so as long as its the pic you have purchased you can use it as you wish Facebook etc as long as you are NOT making a profit from it.

If you use an image that you have not paid for I.e it has a water mark and you crop it off then yes he can claim off you for usage.

Copyright is a minefield but in short he owns copyright of pics but cannot do anything with them unless he has permission

After I finish a job I always sign a form giving full ownership to who ever has paid for them..

Its a paid job so gives tbe buyer peace of mind

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Copyright is a minefield but in short he owns copyright of pics but cannot do anything with them unless he has permission

He can you know, hence the 'owns copyright'...how do you think the paparazzi work ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He can you know, hence the 'owns copyright'...how do you think the paparazzi work ? "

Thank god someone who is not just guessing

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

There's a lot of crap spoken about Model Release Forms and copyright on here and modeling forums, generally by people that use Google and get results from the USA !

Model Release Forms in this country are almost always used by photographer's, so there is no question of models not knowing that the photographer can and will (if he wishes) do whatever he likes with the images.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are plenty of semi pro photographers on this site who will do it for free, they get experience and you het the photos, ive chatted to a few but its just getting the time!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we have a friend who takes photos really friendly and doesn't charge just puts them on a memory card for u x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Copyright is a minefield but in short he owns copyright of pics but cannot do anything with them unless he has permission

He can you know, hence the 'owns copyright'...how do you think the paparazzi work ? "

Aww bless.

UK copywrite law 101: The creator of the piece owns copywrite to his work UNLESS he is being employed by another person to do that work unless there is an agreement to the contrary

Or in layman's terms:-

If I take a picture then I own it.

If you pay me to take a picture then you own it, unless we have agreed otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or in layman's terms:-

If I take a picture then I own it.

If you pay me to take a picture then you own it, unless we have agreed otherwise."

Again

This is wrong, this is why as a wedding photographer I can charge more for extra prints, even though i have been paid to shoot the wedding.

People need to stop guessing and accept the fact that the photographer owns the image.

He can though sell the image under contract.

So even if you pay a tog to shoot you naked, unless you have a contract (a proper one written up by a copyright lawyer) he can re-use as he see's fit.

Its not a minefield, its very simple, the photographer has the cards on his side..honestly google how many photographers have been taken to court for breach of copyright (unless they stole the image).

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By *ayandess1Couple
over a year ago

bridgwater

We are photographers and the above post is indeed correct. I own all of the images that I take. The only time it becomes complicated is on private property if I don't have permission to shoot.

We have our own studio and agree that it's a little sterile, but we generally hire a hotel room for boudoir shoots. We can go to our cclient's but prefer a new environment.

Here in the UK we charge 80 pounds which includes the room and a copy of the images is yours to keep and do as you wish with. It helps that we are a couple to a woman photographer is available.

Always check for previous work and NEVER see a photographer unless you know you can trust him. We do hear some stories.

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