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"It means they take Waitrose bags to Lidl. " There's an M&S food hall next the the Aldi in Weston. Aldi trolleys need a pound coin. M&S ones don't. Guess which trolleys I use and where I shop.......😇😇 | |||
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"I mean, I'm a professional wildlife photographer, but I haven't listed it on my profile as it bares no relevance to swinging. Should I do? "If you like 🤷🏼♂️ Mr TMN | |||
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"Morning all. I've noticed quite a few profiles recently where people have mentioned they're "professional". I'm wondering what this means in a swinging setting. Are they professional swingers? Professional porn actors/actresses? I mean, I'm a professional wildlife photographer, but I haven't listed it on my profile as it bares no relevance to swinging. Should I do? "Nothing is likely to stir up vitriolic inverted snobbery among the Faberati than this question. The answer is that it's nothing to do with feelings of superiority, but more to do with the fact that "professionals" undergo years of training often to degree or doctorate level and are simply looking (but not exclusively) for fellow swingers with similar backgrounds and life experiences. | |||
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"I think it means "I'm above your station, move along" bubble busted" It's what I read between the lines when I see that written. I'm a "professional" from a working class background and hold a masters degree and a member of an institution that gives professional titles to members, though I don't use my title on emails etc. | |||
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" It means that if you’re smoking a fag and supping a cider outside the local Happy shopper in your PJs at 10 am on a weekday you aren’t for them. Similar posts exist ad nauseum. " Just state no chavs or skangers* (Irish for chav) | |||
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" It means that if you’re smoking a fag and supping a cider outside the local Happy shopper in your PJs at 10 am on a weekday you aren’t for them. Similar posts exist ad nauseum. " Are you following me? | |||
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"Morning all. I've noticed quite a few profiles recently where people have mentioned they're "professional". I'm wondering what this means in a swinging setting. Are they professional swingers? Professional porn actors/actresses? I mean, I'm a professional wildlife photographer, but I haven't listed it on my profile as it bares no relevance to swinging. Should I do? "It means sod all to be frank. The Oxford English Dictionary states: adjective: professional 1. Relating to or belonging to a profession. 2. Engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime. So there you go. Our main past time is swinging, so we are not professionals at it. But when it comes to our full time jobs we are professional because we are engaged as one''s main paid occupation rather than a pastime. | |||
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"I've always taken it as people trying to signal to others an element of culture/class/wealth rather than vocation. Same as some virtue signal on here too. To be fair people write what they see best to attract the type of people they like and that's OK. Personally it means absolutely nothing to us. We take people as we find them whatever the background. Including people who have got "professional/s" on their profile. Mr" I couldn't agree more. Fair Point & very well made Sir or Madam.. YOu can not polish a turd (obviously not Polish, just saying lol) | |||
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"It means they take Waitrose bags to Lidl. There's an M&S food hall next the the Aldi in Weston. Aldi trolleys need a pound coin. M&S ones don't. Guess which trolleys I use and where I shop.......😇😇" You use an M&S trolley but shop in Aldi | |||
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"It means they take Waitrose bags to Lidl. There's an M&S food hall next the the Aldi in Weston. Aldi trolleys need a pound coin. M&S ones don't. Guess which trolleys I use and where I shop.......😇😇" You’re a fucking rebel! | |||
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"It means we don't behave like Greg Wallace, or play with people who do... "Bravo.. | |||
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"Professional used to mean more than it currently does, I think it's less to about income and more to do with education and perspectives. Also the UK is still class conscious though class distinction have changed. So Professional now inferrs. University educated, working in non manual labour or low initiative service role. Considering the closing in the pay gap between trades and white collar roles. It is less of an indicator of financial wealth but more about intellectual orientation and engagement. Thus a University Lecturer with a PhD might have a higher social cachet they may well earn less than a good plumber or electrician. If your conversation tends to vere into East Enders, Britain's Got Talent and who's facing relegation. While Professional couple might chat about more finds in antiques stores, the University their kids are going to and how they spent the last week trying to get their head around new import legislation. You may find conversation it a bit stilted. The sex might still be pretty good. But the connection may feel shallow. The class system is not a fixed structure rather it very much subject to evolution and realignment. Thus the Professional often inferrs a degree of social and intellectual capital as much as or more than any financial status." I wish we could "like" comments. Love this answer  | |||
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"Morning all. I've noticed quite a few profiles recently where people have mentioned they're "professional". I'm wondering what this means in a swinging setting. Are they professional swingers? Professional porn actors/actresses? I mean, I'm a professional wildlife photographer, but I haven't listed it on my profile as it bares no relevance to swinging. Should I do? "I think is people with a lovely house and a nice, modern, clean bedroom unlike some of the absolutely disgusting looking pig styes you sometimes see on here!! | |||
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"Professional used to mean more than it currently does, I think it's less to about income and more to do with education and perspectives. Also the UK is still class conscious though class distinction have changed. So Professional now inferrs. University educated, working in non manual labour or low initiative service role. Considering the closing in the pay gap between trades and white collar roles. It is less of an indicator of financial wealth but more about intellectual orientation and engagement. Thus a University Lecturer with a PhD might have a higher social cachet they may well earn less than a good plumber or electrician. If your conversation tends to vere into East Enders, Britain's Got Talent and who's facing relegation. While Professional couple might chat about more finds in antiques stores, the University their kids are going to and how they spent the last week trying to get their head around new import legislation. You may find conversation it a bit stilted. The sex might still be pretty good. But the connection may feel shallow. The class system is not a fixed structure rather it very much subject to evolution and realignment. Thus the Professional often inferrs a degree of social and intellectual capital as much as or more than any financial status. I wish we could "like" comments. Love this answer "Academics, Nerdy PhDs are shit shags. Incontrovertible, I have the data. Intellectual Capital ain’t worth shit around here. | |||
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"Surely it means either you have a professional qualification, or are a whore . . . " Exactly this | |||
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"Morning all. I've noticed quite a few profiles recently where people have mentioned they're "professional". I'm wondering what this means in a swinging setting. Are they professional swingers? Professional porn actors/actresses? I mean, I'm a professional wildlife photographer, but I haven't listed it on my profile as it bares no relevance to swinging. Should I do?
Nothing is likely to stir up vitriolic inverted snobbery among the Faberati than this question. The answer is that it's nothing to do with feelings of superiority, but more to do with the fact that "professionals" undergo years of training often to degree or doctorate level and are simply looking (but not exclusively) for fellow swingers with similar backgrounds and life experiences. "You’re right about the true meaning of professional but most on fab don’t understand that at all and use it merely to say they have’s decent job. It’s one of the most misused terms on the site. Also there is the big element of the pretentious too with some. A now very much established aspect on fab, sadly. | |||
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"Surely it means either you have a professional qualification, or are a whore . . . Exactly this "I'm both. Still not using the word. 😇 | |||
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"It means they take Waitrose bags to Lidl. There's an M&S food hall next the the Aldi in Weston. Aldi trolleys need a pound coin. M&S ones don't. Guess which trolleys I use and where I shop.......😇😇 You use an M&S trolley but shop in Aldi " I'd willingly pay a pound to wind up some of the M and S snoots. Get it back anyway. Oops,I forgot. Professional people won't be sullying their hands with coins! | |||
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"It means they take Waitrose bags to Lidl. There's an M&S food hall next the the Aldi in Weston. Aldi trolleys need a pound coin. M&S ones don't. Guess which trolleys I use and where I shop.......😇😇 You use an M&S trolley but shop in Aldi " Yep. Only because there's always one dumped amongst the Aldi ones and I never have a pound coin. 🤷♂️ | |||
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'Professional' isn't something we'd use as to us it doesn't really convey anything and as can been seen here, is so open to misinterpretation.
Similar to using 'the finer things in life' it's about context.
To some that could be eating at a cheap restaurant instead of say McDonald's whilst to others it could mean no less than three Michelin stars.
It feels ambiguous, like all the other often repeated phrases that you see on profiles that lose their meaning or are subjective.
This is only our interpretation though, there are many others and they are all correct.
We used to have "Totally unprofessional, expect giggles and fanny farts" on our profile at one stage. No one ever commented on it
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"I’m a banker. Does that count?" Well as long as you can count that's what's important! It's dependent on the biggest number you know. If it's less than a 1,000 then you are an amateur, over 1,000,000 and a member of a chartered organisation then definitely a professional | |||
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"The upshot of all this is, what business is it of anyone else's as to what people choose to put on their profile? If you don't like what you read then walk on by. Put simply, if you have a problem with it then you're not for us anyway and so it's served it purpose in ing out the undesired." Don't have a problem at all. Just wondered what it was supposed to indicate, that's all. | |||
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"If you’re a grown up but feel threatened or intimidated by what some people choose to put on their profile then scroll by. It ain’t rocket science (which is professional) " I'm a big boy and I don't tend to feel threatened and intimidated by others, especially on here. Just asking a simple question.  | |||
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" ... Maybe I’m a snob and ignorant to it." A snob is someone who wants to know people who don't want other people to know them! | |||
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"I think this thread has proved my point: there's nothing like the word "professional" to bring out the inverted snobs in droves. " Hmmm... You could just as easily argue the reverse point as well though couldn't you depending on how you interpret the word and how it affects you emotionally. I mean the OP asked for opinions, admittedly poking a bit of fun, and that's what he's getting. Quite often on the Politics chat when I don't agree I just bite my lip and walk away. | |||
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"I think this thread has proved my point: there's nothing like the word "professional" to bring out the inverted snobs in droves. Hmmm... You could just as easily argue the reverse point as well though couldn't you depending on how you interpret the word and how it affects you emotionally. I mean the OP asked for opinions, admittedly poking a bit of fun, and that's what he's getting. Quite often on the Politics chat when I don't agree I just bite my lip and walk away. " If it was as simple as that why do those who don't like the word "professional" have to be so derogatory and insulting? Most of us can find things we don't like on profiles but we don't try to denigrate those who write them. | |||
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"Morning all. I've noticed quite a few profiles recently where people have mentioned they're "professional". I'm wondering what this means in a swinging setting. Are they professional swingers? Professional porn actors/actresses? I mean, I'm a professional wildlife photographer, but I haven't listed it on my profile as it bares no relevance to swinging. Should I do? "My assumption: they are in a career that has a morality clause (NMC is the biggest one, but also teachers, police, lawyers) that limits what they can share, particularly digitally, for fear of being outed as swingers and subsequently facing disciplinary action. | |||
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"I’ve always used and interpreted it in others as “not a scruffy bugger” and “can hold a conversation”. I wouldn’t want to meet someone dressed like they rolled out of bed, nor someone who’s conversation doesn’t extend beyond local gossip and soaps. I’ve never really thought of it as being any sort of superiority complex. As people have stated it’s similar to people listing their vocations, because the connotations appeal to some. Maybe I’m a snob and ignorant to it." It starts getting complicated when you find that some scruffy buggers can hold a decent conversation! | |||
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"I’ve always used and interpreted it in others as “not a scruffy bugger” and “can hold a conversation”. I wouldn’t want to meet someone dressed like they rolled out of bed, nor someone who’s conversation doesn’t extend beyond local gossip and soaps. I’ve never really thought of it as being any sort of superiority complex. As people have stated it’s similar to people listing their vocations, because the connotations appeal to some. Maybe I’m a snob and ignorant to it. It starts getting complicated when you find that some scruffy buggers can hold a decent conversation!" A bit immature to boil it down to scruffy or not scruffy. | |||
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"I think this thread has proved my point: there's nothing like the word "professional" to bring out the inverted snobs in droves. Hmmm... You could just as easily argue the reverse point as well though couldn't you depending on how you interpret the word and how it affects you emotionally. I mean the OP asked for opinions, admittedly poking a bit of fun, and that's what he's getting. Quite often on the Politics chat when I don't agree I just bite my lip and walk away. If it was as simple as that why do those who don't like the word "professional" have to be so derogatory and insulting? Most of us can find things we don't like on profiles but we don't try to denigrate those who write them. " Just wanted to know what difference it made as far as meets were concerned, that's all. | |||
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"If it was as simple as that why do those who don't like the word "professional" have to be so derogatory and insulting? Most of us can find things we don't like on profiles but we don't try to denigrate those who write them. " I agree it's horrible to be insulting or derogatory about people but this is a word that people use and any comments have been aimed at the word not the profile. If someone wants to look at our profile and denigrate us then feel free because we do a damn good job of it ourselves anyway! I'm not overly concerned and the only way I'd react is, if I can be bothered, with a block. Mission accomplished I've identified some others who we won't be interested in. This isn't 'X' or 'Facebook' so as I said before I generally walk away if I feel upset by what people have written. Me reacting, even if I feel I'm justified, just makes me look unattractive. Oh but you should see me on 'X' and FB! I'd definitely not be shagging anyone!
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"I’ve always used and interpreted it in others as “not a scruffy bugger” and “can hold a conversation”. I wouldn’t want to meet someone dressed like they rolled out of bed, nor someone who’s conversation doesn’t extend beyond local gossip and soaps. I’ve never really thought of it as being any sort of superiority complex. As people have stated it’s similar to people listing their vocations, because the connotations appeal to some. Maybe I’m a snob and ignorant to it. It starts getting complicated when you find that some scruffy buggers can hold a decent conversation! A bit immature to boil it down to scruffy or not scruffy." Hence my comment immediately above your reply! | |||
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"I always think of it that somehow they think they are a cut above the rest. At least that's the way it comes across to me. I have to be discrete because of my job. Well what do you think we're going to do? Go into your workplace and tell your colleagues? " It's happened. Lots of people say they need to be discreet though. | |||
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"Professional used to mean more than it currently does, I think it's less to about income and more to do with education and perspectives. Also the UK is still class conscious though class distinction have changed. So Professional now inferrs. University educated, working in non manual labour or low initiative service role. Considering the closing in the pay gap between trades and white collar roles. It is less of an indicator of financial wealth but more about intellectual orientation and engagement. Thus a University Lecturer with a PhD might have a higher social cachet they may well earn less than a good plumber or electrician. If your conversation tends to vere into East Enders, Britain's Got Talent and who's facing relegation. While Professional couple might chat about more finds in antiques stores, the University their kids are going to and how they spent the last week trying to get their head around new import legislation. You may find conversation it a bit stilted. The sex might still be pretty good. But the connection may feel shallow. The class system is not a fixed structure rather it very much subject to evolution and realignment. Thus the Professional often inferrs a degree of social and intellectual capital as much as or more than any financial status." I always find people's perceptions fascinating. As you've said the modern world has turned traditional class on its head. Because not every fits into neat little molds. Take myself for example. A council estate kid from a pretty poor family. Never university educated. Yet a lot people don't recognise that when they talk to me (I've been asked a few times what University I when to). But then maybe my child hood was not typical. My parents traditional working class backgrounds. My dad a broken home and particularly impoverished background (although to be fair despite this his mum was a intelligent and formidable women in her own way). Yet very worldly, well travelled, intelligent and self educated. My dad was an electrician (with his own business), my mum worked in Library's. Our household was always alive with conversation and debate about current events and politics. My dad worked very long hours, but the little free time he had he was always happy to get the chess bord out (he used to say you can tell a lot about a man from how he plays chess). And from my parents I developed are rather large vocabulary and familiarity with conversation and debate. People often draw conclusions about your use of English (being dyslexic they often draw different ones depending if I'm taking or writing ). So I may not be archetypal of a low income council estate kid.
And as you've said the labour market has been turn on its head. I guess a mixture of a changing labour market and a vastly widening up tick in people getting degrees. Which although I pro educational opportunities for all feels more like a system of exploitation for finance and the profits of University's today rather than a noble cause. I think for a lot of people University is a bit of a con when looked at in terms of value for money (but that's a different story). I think for the boomers generation a degree = a guarantee of a minimum lower white collar desk job on a middle income wage in some big organisation. However technology and working practices changed and the boomers didn't realise. So we hads kids growing up in a false belief from their parents that a degree = guarantee of reasonable financial success. It hasn't which means a lot of upset millennials who bought the dream hook, line and sinker, played the game like good little boys and girls and found they're not got the success they were told they would have. I have faith in Gen z who know the old game is crooked and looking how to do it differently. Personally while a lot of people I knew were at university raking up debt I was in the Forces getting paid to learn a highly technical trade. Moving on I work a 35 hour week in a blue collar job that doesn't require a degree and on a better income than the officers who used to command be (and the teachers in school who said I was a waster and would amount to nothing).
On the point of school traditional education is not best for everyone. I hated school, it just wasn't for me. A lot of the people I know who are doing very well for themselves likewise didn't follow traditional education paths or get degrees.
So this is why when people signal the whole "Professional" thing I'm like whatever, means nothing to me. So although I find it a bit douchy I know they're only trying to find compatible people. However personally I take people as I find them. And if my lack of formal education, the nature of my blue collar work or my background is not "Professional" enough for them that's fine I'll pass.
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"Professional used to mean more than it currently does, I think it's less to about income and more to do with education and perspectives. Also the UK is still class conscious though class distinction have changed. So Professional now inferrs. University educated, working in non manual labour or low initiative service role. Considering the closing in the pay gap between trades and white collar roles. It is less of an indicator of financial wealth but more about intellectual orientation and engagement. Thus a University Lecturer with a PhD might have a higher social cachet they may well earn less than a good plumber or electrician. If your conversation tends to vere into East Enders, Britain's Got Talent and who's facing relegation. While Professional couple might chat about more finds in antiques stores, the University their kids are going to and how they spent the last week trying to get their head around new import legislation. You may find conversation it a bit stilted. The sex might still be pretty good. But the connection may feel shallow. The class system is not a fixed structure rather it very much subject to evolution and realignment. Thus the Professional often inferrs a degree of social and intellectual capital as much as or more than any financial status. I always find people's perceptions fascinating. As you've said the modern world has turned traditional class on its head. Because not every fits into neat little molds. Take myself for example. A council estate kid from a pretty poor family. Never university educated. Yet a lot people don't recognise that when they talk to me (I've been asked a few times what University I when to). But then maybe my child hood was not typical. My parents traditional working class backgrounds. My dad a broken home and particularly impoverished background (although to be fair despite this his mum was a intelligent and formidable women in her own way). Yet very worldly, well travelled, intelligent and self educated. My dad was an electrician (with his own business), my mum worked in Library's. Our household was always alive with conversation and debate about current events and politics. My dad worked very long hours, but the little free time he had he was always happy to get the chess bord out (he used to say you can tell a lot about a man from how he plays chess). And from my parents I developed are rather large vocabulary and familiarity with conversation and debate. People often draw conclusions about your use of English (being dyslexic they often draw different ones depending if I'm taking or writing ). So I may not be archetypal of a low income council estate kid.
And as you've said the labour market has been turn on its head. I guess a mixture of a changing labour market and a vastly widening up tick in people getting degrees. Which although I pro educational opportunities for all feels more like a system of exploitation for finance and the profits of University's today rather than a noble cause. I think for a lot of people University is a bit of a con when looked at in terms of value for money (but that's a different story). I think for the boomers generation a degree = a guarantee of a minimum lower white collar desk job on a middle income wage in some big organisation. However technology and working practices changed and the boomers didn't realise. So we hads kids growing up in a false belief from their parents that a degree = guarantee of reasonable financial success. It hasn't which means a lot of upset millennials who bought the dream hook, line and sinker, played the game like good little boys and girls and found they're not got the success they were told they would have. I have faith in Gen z who know the old game is crooked and looking how to do it differently. Personally while a lot of people I knew were at university raking up debt I was in the Forces getting paid to learn a highly technical trade. Moving on I work a 35 hour week in a blue collar job that doesn't require a degree and on a better income than the officers who used to command be (and the teachers in school who said I was a waster and would amount to nothing).
On the point of school traditional education is not best for everyone. I hated school, it just wasn't for me. A lot of the people I know who are doing very well for themselves likewise didn't follow traditional education paths or get degrees.
So this is why when people signal the whole "Professional" thing I'm like whatever, means nothing to me. So although I find it a bit douchy I know they're only trying to find compatible people. However personally I take people as I find them. And if my lack of formal education, the nature of my blue collar work or my background is not "Professional" enough for them that's fine I'll pass.
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"I always think of it that somehow they think they are a cut above the rest. At least that's the way it comes across to me. I have to be discrete because of my job. Well what do you think we're going to do? Go into your workplace and tell your colleagues? " It has happened... But people have different ideas of discreet. To me it means never mention me or my existence. Some would be bragging down the pub that they met a sexy nurse, lovely blonde etc, is not discreet...and though no names, could accidentally let out an identifying detail. It is a very small world. | |||
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- smoke Cuban finery in Kensingtons private clubs and hang around with influentials people…life with abundance but missing happiness so kind of miserable - so looking for happy/sexy times here with likeminded people.
I know a couple who met at fab, became friends, she wanted to start a fashion accessory business he offered help, they became business partner, later got married…recently moved to Portugal for tax efficiency and sunny days.
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"One of the joys of being naked in a club is that you just meet people. Not job titles, not social status just lovely naked people." Agree, never crosses my mind to ask or even wonder. 💪 | |||
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"One of the joys of being naked in a club is that you just meet people. Not job titles, not social status just lovely naked people. Agree, never crosses my mind to ask or even wonder. 💪 " we concur ... we are "what you see is what you fuck" candid | |||
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" It means that if you’re smoking a fag and supping a cider outside the local Happy shopper in your PJs at 10 am on a weekday you aren’t for them. Similar posts exist ad nauseum. " This. It's not about snobbishness, we have enjoyed brilliant playdates with people who aren't "professional", which we would define principally as the distinction between a person who has a job Vs a career. But if you have more convictions than teeth you aren't likely to float our boat. It means we are looking for someone who can speak reasonably well, knows right from wrong, can stick at a vocation and isn't likely to nick our bag on your way out :P | |||
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"One of the joys of being naked in a club is that you just meet people. Not job titles, not social status just lovely naked people. Agree, never crosses my mind to ask or even wonder. 💪 we concur ... we are "what you see is what you fuck" candid " And in a meeting which isn't pre-arranged, ad hoc in a club, I agree, it doesn't matter at all because we can assess your personality there and then. It matters when we're going to invest time and opportunity cost in setting something up with someone we havent yet met in person, even a social is an opportunity cost. | |||
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"One of the joys of being naked in a club is that you just meet people. Not job titles, not social status just lovely naked people." This is one of the reasons we enjoy Chams so much. We are 'professionals' with letters after our names, but we wouldn't judge someone who doesn't. It's all about meeting people with amazing personalities that do it for us no matter what status job they have! We've come across some very undesirable professionals in the past! | |||
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"I always think of it that somehow they think they are a cut above the rest. At least that's the way it comes across to me. I have to be discrete because of my job. Well what do you think we're going to do? Go into your workplace and tell your colleagues? It's happened. Lots of people say they need to be discreet though. " Has happened twice to me. Both resulting in me being fired because my lifestyle was inappropriate for the image if the company. I was with two guys at the time. We weren't declaring or fucking in public but we didn't hide being seen out together the three of us. Now there's a reality show with a woman doing just the same. | |||
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" ... Now there's a reality show with a woman doing just the same." But is she claiming to be professional, or even discrete[sic]? | |||
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"I thought it meant you were Bodie, Doyle or Cowley. I did wonder why it was on ladies profiles too "Indeed, old enough to remember it too! | |||
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"Barclays I'd guess? lol" As in wearing red trousers? | |||
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"It means they take Waitrose bags to Lidl. " 😂🤣 | |||
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"Morning all. I've noticed quite a few profiles recently where people have mentioned they're "professional". I'm wondering what this means in a swinging setting. Are they professional swingers? Professional porn actors/actresses? I mean, I'm a professional wildlife photographer, but I haven't listed it on my profile as it bares no relevance to swinging. Should I do? "Always a giggle! That and discrete (of course we all shout it from the rooftops) We know a cardiovascular surgeon, a judge, CID officer, RAF pilot, solicitors, teachers a couple of millionaires and even an MP! Makes no difference to us in the slightest if they drive a rubbish truck or a high powered role, although we utterly understand some people in certain 'positions' 😉 being careful as we all know we're considered filthy immoral, disease carrying perverts in 'normal society' 👍😘 | |||
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