FabSwingers.com forum: Your Data

By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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We all expect that sites like these have the best security for the protection of your information held within them.

But what about the club you belong too, who also may want to include a face pic and your private residential address details and who may have requested a copy of your passport driving licence etc..

Are you happy for this level of information to be stored on what may just be someones laptop/hard drive.

What assurance were you given that your data is secure?

I only ask because my work involes CRM systems and I know only to well what's expected and required for the storing of personal data. Not prospecting for work! Plenty of "off the shelf" applications out there. lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If its something you are uncomfortable with you just don't go its that simple.

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By *aughtywifeandhimCouple
over a year ago

bedford

Luckily the club we use ,don't ask any thing ,there is no membership you just pay on entry and give your first name

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

Appreciate what you're saying and of course safety would be preferred however fuck it. Not arsed.

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By *ercedes62Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

"Luckily the club we use ,don't ask any thing ,there is no membership you just pay on entry and give your first name

Think we must use the same club

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By *ornyspunkMan
over a year ago

trucking all over

Which club would that be?? X

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By *ercedes62Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

"Which club would that be?? X"

Well i'm sure if you looked at the profile you could work it out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one has ever taken any copies of my driving licence nor passport

Showing something to confirm address is one thing, however why would they keep a copy?

In all honesty I've only ever been asked to fill in a membership form, give basic details and then been handed a membership card.

If someone really wanted to get my name and address it really isn't hard, so am I worried about being on club databases, not at all.

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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"If you wish to apply for club Membership, please fill in the appropriate membership form and we’ll get back to you within 24hours. Photo ID is needed for all memberships once approved and will be checked on your first visit. Please do not turn up at the door expecting to get in without applying for membership first".

unless you're bringing holiday snaps it would seem you either need to use a work, passport or Driving License..

just saying...this info must be being saved somewhere?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

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unless you're bringing holiday snaps it would seem you either need to use a work, passport or Driving License..

just saying...this info must be being saved somewhere?

Ask the club involved what their privacy policy is.

I have never showed a passport or any photo id to any club I have been to. But I don't really mind who knows I go to clubs. Now if they had my card details that would be a different matter. But they don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have never had to give photo ID at any club I have joined , proof of address yes i.e a utility bill but nothing else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was asked this last nite,Ive only ever brought address n name info...

clubs I think have the right to check out who's entering their club for possibly false reasons essentially

yup..reporters in question

and theres probably a few officers of the law actively club members so theyre cool

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

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unless you're bringing holiday snaps it would seem you either need to use a work, passport or Driving License..

just saying...this info must be being saved somewhere?

Why must it be being saved? Most places just want photo ID to prove you are who you say you are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clubs usually just ask to see ID on a first visit. They have no need to keep copies so I'm failing to see the risk factor?

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By *hunderstarCouple
over a year ago

hereford

One of the reasons is to do with licensing.

SOME clubs that serve alcohol will have a private members club licence. This means you must have names/address of all of your members to be able to serve alcohol.

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Judging by your post history you're not a fan of clubs are you ?

I assume that most clubs comply with the data protection act and thats fine with me.

Plus im not sure what they can do with a name and an address that would be in any way damaging to me.

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Why must it be being saved? Most places just want photo ID to prove you are who you say you are."

I have never seen a club take a picture/copy or anything of a passport photo most glance at it on the first visit to make sure you are who you are and then use the address stuff to register you with and thats it.

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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"Judging by your post history you're not a fan of clubs are you ?

I assume that most clubs comply with the data protection act and thats fine with me.

Plus im not sure what they can do with a name and an address that would be in any way damaging to me."

Ooo! Controversial statement! lol firstly member of a club and visit others.

Secondly, just because I choose to make/air my thought that clubs are ripping guys off despite the equality legislation is perfectly reasonable, especially in a forum.

Ok, sorted that.

Your assumption that most clubs comply with data protection is just that an assumption, data protection storage security is not a simple thing to comply with, from having secure web access to how you store and destroy data including paper records is very clear. Should you data be stored on a hard drive on a pc etc that doesn't have a decent level of encryption and password access of 7 or more combinations of characters it's at risk, and how many times are you asked not to share personal info such as that that's on your DL or passport.

Why would a club need a photo of you if it's not being used to show each time you walk through the doors you are who you say you are, ( you may 'lend' your ID out) if they're concerned you may be 'press' etc you'd want to see it every time otherwise why bother requesting to see it?

Do you have photo ID for work? Those that do will see the same people everyday and that's where you go everyday, still a requirement though.

Remember if you join online that data is somewhere..

99.99% of swingers club are not private clubs as they don't comply with the definition of such so that doesn't compute, they are venues where people meet to enjoy and use the facilities and may indulge in sexual activities..if you're lucky! lol

Should the club be burgled and pc/laptop goes missing and your address, passport, DL are on it would you feel concerned?

You see your sexual life is classed as “sensitive personal data" as defined by amendments from 1998

Should that data go missing the business could face a fine up to £500.000!

What's their recovery process etc.

Have you made sure your own laptop etc is as secure as possible? I would suggest yes and we're as careful as we can be and rely on all those places we have given our 'private information' too, to do the same. So would you happily give anyone else access to your passport or DL without certain assurances being given and in writing?

Just a question

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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"One of the reasons is to do with licensing.

SOME clubs that serve alcohol will have a private members club licence. This means you must have names/address of all of your members to be able to serve alcohol. "

Private members club licence

"The criteria for qualifying clubs are:

there must be an interval of at least two days between nomination for membership and granting of membership or admission

there must be at least 25 members

the club must be established and conducted in good faith

the club must be non-profit making

alcohol is not supplied or intended to be supplied to members on the premises other than by, or on behalf of, the club

What Are the Benefits of a Club Certificate?

Qualifying clubs get special treatment outside the normal premises licence arrangements.

A club is entitled to certain benefits, which include the authority to supply alcohol to its members and sell it to guests without the need for any member or employee to hold a personal licence, and the absence of a requirement to specify a designated premises supervisor.

There are also more limited rights of entry for the police and other authorised persons, as the premises are considered private and not generally open to the public."

These are not swinging clubs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Again this passport/driving license details stored on a hard drive????

Has anyone ever had any of their documents copied/scanned? Because I have NOT, ever. In any club!

I carry my driving license mostly, however if I am going to a club I have a memebership card for then I just take the card and usually some cash and leave as much as home. I have enough with shoes/changes of clothes/condoms, without taking my purse and everything also.

I had planned to go to a new (to me) club locally recently, so I would have showed my driving license and council tax bill, I would not have allowed a copy of either to be taken, as in over 10 years and 7 clubs, here in the UK, that has not been my experience.

I've done online membership forms too and it's just been the very basics, name and address, not even date of birth!! so I do not understand why any club would need a copy of any of my documents.

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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"No one has ever taken any copies of my driving licence nor passport

Showing something to confirm address is one thing, however why would they keep a copy?

In all honesty I've only ever been asked to fill in a membership form, give basic details and then been handed a membership card.

If someone really wanted to get my name and address it really isn't hard, so am I worried about being on club databases, not at all.

Nothing to do with being on a 'database' but what happens to that 'database' and its/your security.

It's a data protection issue and as someone else was asked to provide passport/DL it maybe something that some are starting to ask for going forward.

How many profiles do you see here with warnings about using their info, thieves look for items that are easy to take and are of value ie laptops/PC's

Just asked the Q after seeing passport etc being requested and its part of what I do and have to comply with in my working life.

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By *tasiaCouple
over a year ago

West Bromwich

Someone loves to stir it up!! Get the feeling you'll only be happy when all clubs are closed down, so allow me to offer you a solution I'd like you to accept. You have taken your excert from our web site, so you obviously have us in mind re Data Protection. Seeing how you work in the industry, can I cordially invite you to work through our process, our standing within licensing law, our data protection methods, our membership criteria, and assist us to make sure everything is watertight. We believe it is, but I'm sure you can assist us to check. Look forward to meeting you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone loves to stir it up!! Get the feeling you'll only be happy when all clubs are closed down, so allow me to offer you a solution I'd like you to accept. You have taken your excert from our web site, so you obviously have us in mind re Data Protection. Seeing how you work in the industry, can I cordially invite you to work through our process, our standing within licensing law, our data protection methods, our membership criteria, and assist us to make sure everything is watertight. We believe it is, but I'm sure you can assist us to check. Look forward to meeting you."

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

What an utterly blizzare person, as Xtasia said you seem to be hell bent on trying to have swingers clubs shut down or pointing out everything they do is illegal, even when people take you seriously as point out the flaws in your logic you keep on repeating it in ignorance.

I dont wish to pull rank, but as a technical manager thats put and maintains several CRM systems and works with a number of financial companies you are to be quite frank talking out of your arse and dropping bits of legal mumbo jumbo you have found to try and legitimise your points.

As for my assumptions that the clubs are acting "legally" how this any different to yours that they aren't a lot of your postings about clubs constantly seems to come from someone who has googled a bit about legality's without understanding how they really apply in the real world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hang on I did an online members thing for _tasia and was not asked for my passport number nor driving licence!!

Surely them looking at said document is different from them taking a copy and keeping a copy!! Should they want to take a copy, I would question why, and then decide whether I want to proceed or not..

I've been to a number of clubs in recent years, and have said no one has ever taken a copy of my documents!

Which twice now the op has chosen to ignore!

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

the Data protection act is a voluntary one and it covers sensitive data, storing a name and an address is not considered to be "sensitive" data.

If the club had a detailed list of preferences and personal details then they would come under the data protection act, but simply storing a list of names and addresses would require you to perform "due diligence" and not much else.

"The Data Protection Act creates rights for those who have their data stored, and responsibilities for those who store, process or The person who has their data processed has the right to

View the data an organisation holds on them, for a small fee, known as 'subject access fee'

Request that incorrect information be corrected. If the company ignores the request, a court can order the data to be corrected or destroyed, and in some cases compensation can be awarded.

Require that data is not used in any way that may potentially cause damage or distress.

Require that their data is not used for direct marketing."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hang on I did an online members thing for _tasia and was not asked for my passport number nor driving licence!!

I've been to a number of clubs in recent years, and have said no one has ever taken a copy of my documents!

Which twice now the op has chosen to ignore! "

I mentioned that too, as did a couple of other posters. The OP appears to be ignoring that fact as it makes a mockery of the basis of his ranting...

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

I mentioned that too, as did a couple of other posters. The OP appears to be ignoring that fact as it makes a mockery of the basis of his ranting...

Every single one of these threads he creates about clubs goes the same way he posts a load of supposition and half truths then ignores everyone who takes the time to reasonably address said points.

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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"What an utterly blizzare person, as Xtasia said you seem to be hell bent on trying to have swingers clubs shut down or pointing out everything they do is illegal, even when people take you seriously as point out the flaws in your logic you keep on repeating it in ignorance.

Oh you do make me titter!

If you manage CRM systems for financial sectors you cannot argue about data protection and its storage and destruction. If as you claim you know your stuff.

I don't make up the equalities legislation it's there for all to read.

Just as it what constitutes a private members club..

In every conversation toward me you seem to find it necessary to revert to type by hurling some form of insult.

It's easy to push your buttons isn't it.

If just by asking are you happy that your data is being stored safely and why do they want a copy of PP or DL.

It's an open forum if you don't like what you read or it gets you so agitated I suggest take a chill pill and move on.

Oh and I am a member of a club where I do pay more than the ladies or a couple. So once again your arguments don't hold water.

You don't know me you have no idea as to how many CRM systems I'm involved with globally.

Sometimes it's necessary to put things into their simplest format so that everyone can understand.

Once again all knowledge is gained through personal experience, training or reading from a variety of source materials.

Read earlier post by someone else re being asked to produce a photo ID to gain entry.

And where do you get that everything swingers clubs is illegal?

As far as I'm aware with my little bit of knowledge haven't they all complied with smoking regs?, don't they try there best to allow access for disabled? they dont sell alcohol if they don't have a licence to do so.

they all comply with insurance and fire regulations.

They don't exclude anyone due to their race, religion or sexual preference.

So what have I missed that makes everything they do illegal.

Entry fees is definately questionable as have a lot of other clubs discovered (golf as an example)

But hey you seem to know everything about everything so lets all bow to your knowledge.

I won't respond to you anymore, I've been more than polite with you in the past even to the point in saying I agree with some of your points but frankly I have some paint to watch dry.

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cherry picking responses

If you do not like the clubs requirements or procedures ... dont go.

If you start a half baked forum post then allow others to voice their opinion..

Enjoy your paint watching, mind it doesnt require Id or anything though

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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I draw all those who want to look at this excert from my question as posted:

But what about the club you belong too, who also may want to include a face pic and your private residential address details and who may have requested a copy of your passport driving licence etc..

Are you happy for this level of information to be stored on what may just be someones laptop/hard drive.

To be succinct as you can't type in bold and underline underline.

"who also may want to include a face pic and your private residential address details and who may have requested a copy of your passport driving licence etc.."

MAY request or want to see and record.

MAY just be stored on a laptop/pc

It's nice to see that some on here clearly can't wait to read my posts and reply

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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"Cherry picking responses

If you do not like the clubs requirements or procedures ... dont go.

If you start a half baked forum post then allow others to voice their opinion..

Enjoy your paint watching, mind it doesnt require Id or anything though

Have checked, happy to go and it doesn't, thanks for the suggestion and advice

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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"By Keenfucktographer Man 2 days ago

Glasgow

I was asked this last nite,Ive only ever brought address n name info...

clubs I think have the right to check out who's entering their club for possibly false reasons essentially

yup..reporters in question

and theres probably a few officers of the law actively club members so theyre cool"

Don't think this was _tasia but I MAY be wrong

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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unless you're bringing holiday snaps it would seem you either need to use a work, passport or Driving License..

just saying...this info must be being saved somewhere?

Ask the club involved what their privacy policy is.

Very true I have never to this date but do wonder (after the event) if those details are safely stored..

And I would refuse point blank should the want to copy DL or PP as a utility should suffice.

Hey so I don't become a member of a club that's life.

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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

"By Keenfucktographer Man 2 days ago

Glasgow

I was asked this last nite,Ive only ever brought address n name info...

clubs I think have the right to check out who's entering their club for possibly false reasons essentially

yup..reporters in question

and theres probably a few officers of the law actively club members so theyre cool"

Don't think this was _tasia but I MAY be wrong

have you just posted a PM in a forum post?

My tuppence worth. Clubs ask to SEE ID for members when they first join, just to confirm that the person standing there is who they say they are. Never have I had to have any ID copied and stored in a club and never will I allow it.

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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"Again this passport/driving license details stored on a hard drive????

Has anyone ever had any of their documents copied/scanned? Because I have NOT, ever. In any club!

I've done online membership forms too and it's just been the very basics, name and address, not even date of birth!! so I do not understand why any club would need a copy of any of my documents.

Historically I would have to agree and have only carried/taken utility etc.

But I think in our/my haste to go to a club would I really at that point care, so on reflection I wonder then why it's been requested as experienced by a poster and on an online doc to bring with you.

If its not being recorded that's great but it should say so. Still not sure what they are worried about that requires to see a pic document of yourself,

However, that weirdly lead me to thinking where exactly are my membership details held?

In a ledger

On a laptop and so on

Sadly we live in a society that should it fall into the wrong hands they would know the best times to rob you blind as there's probably a record of every time you visit.

I think I have way too much time on my hands, better get back to watching the paint dry..

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By *john121 OP Man
over a year ago

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"By Keenfucktographer Man 2 days ago

Glasgow

I was asked this last nite,Ive only ever brought address n name info...

clubs I think have the right to check out who's entering their club for possibly false reasons essentially

yup..reporters in question

and theres probably a few officers of the law actively club members so theyre cool"

Don't think this was _tasia but I MAY be wrong

have you just posted a PM in a forum post?

No not a PM, please read early post.

And no I would never allow it either,

Now playing Devils advocate why wouldn't you allow it, if you don't mind the question

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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

"By Keenfucktographer Man 2 days ago

Glasgow

I was asked this last nite,Ive only ever brought address n name info...

clubs I think have the right to check out who's entering their club for possibly false reasons essentially

yup..reporters in question

and theres probably a few officers of the law actively club members so theyre cool"

Don't think this was _tasia but I MAY be wrong

have you just posted a PM in a forum post?

No not a PM, please read early post.

And no I would never allow it either,

Now playing Devils advocate why wouldn't you allow it, if you don't mind the question"

Because it's not their information to store. They have no need to store it. All they are asking for is ID, there is no need for them to have constant access to this information when I can show my ID when I choose to go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dunno why I was quoted exactly for, however..I think OP ur really barking onto a wrong one with this...have u issues with attending clubs?- otherwise think of the thousands of people across the UK attending them..and come on..lets face it..have u heard of any stories going around about info being sold/used/abused????

nope...neither have I.

try not seeing malicious intent where there is none

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By *hunderstarCouple
over a year ago

hereford

You do come over as a bit of a troll for clubs - and - im only reading between the lines - but if you do have a problem with clubs, there must be an underlying reason for it.

People have a choice not to attend if they dont like the rules of the venue.

Simple.

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