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"I think it doesn't matter what others do.... as long as your rules work for you. x" I mean. That's a good answer for everything. | |||
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"No, the rules aren't equal. If you want them equal, then set the same as your spouse requests. Don't forget, rules evolve and change as time goes by too. " So. For perspective. Your OH tells you you can stay over at a hotel for the night with another person (for example) You want to. But the idea of your OH sleeping in a bed with someone else makes you feel sick. You do it because they said it was ok, you have a great time and thoroughly enjoy every bit of that freedom you are given. And then weeks later they start to hint that you did it so they would like to also and that if feels unfair otherwise ..... How does that sit? Assuming the rest of your relationship is tight AF and you've always been open and honest. | |||
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"No, the rules aren't equal. If you want them equal, then set the same as your spouse requests. Don't forget, rules evolve and change as time goes by too. So. For perspective. Your OH tells you you can stay over at a hotel for the night with another person (for example) You want to. But the idea of your OH sleeping in a bed with someone else makes you feel sick. You do it because they said it was ok, you have a great time and thoroughly enjoy every bit of that freedom you are given. And then weeks later they start to hint that you did it so they would like to also and that if feels unfair otherwise ..... How does that sit? Assuming the rest of your relationship is tight AF and you've always been open and honest. " Then it would be unfair of him to use that against you. You can't give to hope to change the boundaries of the other. I have more rules because I'm jealous and he's not. | |||
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" Then it would be unfair of him to use that against you. You can't give to hope to change the boundaries of the other. I have more rules because I'm jealous and he's not. " What makes you think it would be him using it against his partner ? More likely it would be her using it against her partner. | |||
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" Then it would be unfair of him to use that against you. You can't give to hope to change the boundaries of the other. I have more rules because I'm jealous and he's not. What makes you think it would be him using it against his partner ? More likely it would be her using it against her partner." I wasn't assuming about the poster, but applying to my own situation of me setting more rules (fem) | |||
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"So. Out of interest then. If you could go out getting d*unk with your mates every Friday, and had a great time, but your partner said 'I wanna go out this weekend with my mates drinking' and the other half said well I don't feel comfortable with you doing that because I don't want to be on my own with the kids and I don't trust your mates not to give you drugs and I can't sleep when you're not home.... Etc etc Would you respect that decision. Or would you be pretty miffed that it seemed a little controlling when they take that pleasure on a regular basis and you've done nothing to untrustworthy. I'm genuinely just trying to see other perspectives and stay open minded..... I know everybody is different " That sounds extremely controlling | |||
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"So. Out of interest then. If you could go out getting d*unk with your mates every Friday, and had a great time, but your partner said 'I wanna go out this weekend with my mates drinking' and the other half said well I don't feel comfortable with you doing that because I don't want to be on my own with the kids and I don't trust your mates not to give you drugs and I can't sleep when you're not home.... Etc etc Would you respect that decision. Or would you be pretty miffed that it seemed a little controlling when they take that pleasure on a regular basis and you've done nothing to untrustworthy. I'm genuinely just trying to see other perspectives and stay open minded..... I know everybody is different " Yea that's a completely different scenario to what u gave before. Controlling. | |||
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" Yea that's a completely different scenario to what u gave before. Controlling. " What is it that makes it so different? Both are an act of enjoying yourself outside of your relationship, with other people, to get a bit of a dopamine hit. To feel good, to let go and relax. | |||
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" I have more rules because I'm jealous and he's not. " So, have you never once felt bad that your spouse is giving you undeniably wonderful experiences and trusting you, and you don't reciprocate the trust and wanting them to enjoy the same experiences? Not a dig, I'm asking respectfully to try and understand. My viewpoint currently stands that if someone was kind and trusting enough to allow me to do something that I knew they would love too , I woudlnt do it unless I could reciprocate that for them or something similar at least. | |||
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"I don't think it's tit for tat with this kinda stuff " I agree. Two people in a swinging relationship don't necessarily move at the same speed. They may never want exactly the same thing as the other. It's up to the individual couple to decide if each person is free to do as they wish, or not. That can only come through good communication. | |||
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" Yea that's a completely different scenario to what u gave before. Controlling. What is it that makes it so different? Both are an act of enjoying yourself outside of your relationship, with other people, to get a bit of a dopamine hit. To feel good, to let go and relax. " One is setting open relationship boundaries. The other is not allowing your spouse out to see her friends. | |||
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" I have more rules because I'm jealous and he's not. So, have you never once felt bad that your spouse is giving you undeniably wonderful experiences and trusting you, and you don't reciprocate the trust and wanting them to enjoy the same experiences? Not a dig, I'm asking respectfully to try and understand. My viewpoint currently stands that if someone was kind and trusting enough to allow me to do something that I knew they would love too , I woudlnt do it unless I could reciprocate that for them or something similar at least. " No I don't feel bad. And it's not about trust either. There's two feelings experienced when in an open relationship. Jealousy or Conpersion. We have both met people separately, just under different boundaries. | |||
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" One is setting open relationship boundaries. The other is not allowing your spouse out to see her friends. " I am totally with easygoingcouple, we have a very similar dynamic in which I can play with guys or couples and he watches, this was his idea initially and although our roles have evolved and changed over time, he doesn’t get to play, unless it’s specific circumstances, such as a dominant woman teasing him. The other example red fox gave is controlling behaviour outside of swinging and can be compared to what’s agreed within swinging x | |||
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" The other example red fox gave is controlling behaviour outside of swinging and can be compared to what’s agreed within swinging x" I assume you meant 'CANT' be compared. But thankyou all for your comments. It's very much appreciated. Perhaps I am in the wrong here. I would never want to be manipulative or unfair. I feel personally that the people I have seen ARE my friends. I don't do girls nights out. I very rarely hang out with anybody tbh and when I enjoy somebody's company, it's usually make, so for me, it's very much like going to hang out with a friend, but theres just hot sex involved. That's why I used that comparison (even though I see why it's 'different) And also why my other thread was asking how you differentiate between 'FWB' and having more than that with someone. It's all ever evolving and as an overthinker and an empath I'm always worrying about hurting people and why we do things. Time to reevaluate I really appreciate you all thankyou xx | |||
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" Why do they not want to be on their own with the children? Why can't they sleep while the other is out? Etc.... " This was theoretical. But I guess it can relate to hanging out with other playfriends too. I guess my actual situation crosses over both examples and I should ask 'Why does he not feel comfortable with me hanging out with someone after sex and grabbing a take away before coming home after driving an hour to see them..... but he's comfortable going for drinks on a weekly basis with his FWB and staying over at hotels and going to sex clubs with them because I have no desire to go to clubs and allow him that pleasure because I'm ok with it ' Maybe.? | |||
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" Why do they not want to be on their own with the children? Why can't they sleep while the other is out? Etc.... This was theoretical. But I guess it can relate to hanging out with other playfriends too. I guess my actual situation crosses over both examples and I should ask 'Why does he not feel comfortable with me hanging out with someone after sex and grabbing a take away before coming home after driving an hour to see them..... but he's comfortable going for drinks on a weekly basis with his FWB and staying over at hotels and going to sex clubs with them because I have no desire to go to clubs and allow him that pleasure because I'm ok with it ' Maybe.? " Sounds like your relationship is completely open and your experiences are always completely separate and not to enhance the ones you have together? I can't help you on that, that's different. | |||
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" This was theoretical. But I guess it can relate to hanging out with other playfriends too. I guess my actual situation crosses over both examples and I should ask 'Why does he not feel comfortable with me hanging out with someone after sex and grabbing a take away before coming home after driving an hour to see them..... but he's comfortable going for drinks on a weekly basis with his FWB and staying over at hotels and going to sex clubs with them because I have no desire to go to clubs and allow him that pleasure because I'm ok with it ' Maybe.? " Was the guy someone new or had you both met him before and got to know him ?. Our first thought is that your male half simply loves you and hence is naturally concerned for you with someone new. There is the other side too, does he feel insecure in your relationship and worried you might develop dangerous feelings for the other guy ?.... We've just discussed this from our point of view, I'd be happy with Cherry going off for the night with someone we'd already met a few times and trusted. No problem if she has a meal afterwards and stays over with him either. I've had a couple of FWB's too and those relationships lasted a few months each. I stayed over in hotels, had meals out with them etc. Cherry rightly had no worries, doubts, fears or concerns whatsoever. Yes feelings were involved too but she knew she'd ALWAYS be No1. | |||
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" Sounds like your relationship is completely open and your experiences are always completely separate and not to enhance the ones you have together? I can't help you on that, that's different. " What is the difference between having an open relationship, and a couple swinging together and then having one or two people you trust and fuck separately on the side? When does it become 'open'? We want to play separately but I also don't want to fuck randoms off fab who I don't know or care for. I get nothing from fucking someone with no connection and hense I let him go to clubs because he enjoys it and I don't. So I put my worries aside for him to do something that makes him happy. I guess from his perspective there are feelings involved which makes it more risky, but he also built a strong relationship with the girl he takes to clubs as he won't go alone. And in reply to another comment. He has met one of my playfriends and we have all played together with another girl and as MFM. The other person I saw started out saying he would like to play all together but then decided they didn't want to - and I can see why this was frustrating for my partner but it was never a requirement I just posed the idea as 'it would be nice if we did' | |||
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"Instead of asking us, go ask him. His feelings are surely more important than you fucking your mates?" Absolutely. But our conversations go round and round to no conclusion other than to stop it altogether. Which we can absolutely do- because we are #1 priority. However not only is it difficult once you've opened pandoras box (Maybe not for some but ita definitely a thing) but also I don't want to take away from him something that he clearly enjoys and a friend that he had confided a lot in (or mine) I'd really like to make it work but I think it's quite apparent that I am in the wrong and it's not going to. Sometimes I need a little outsider perspective is all. | |||
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" I think it's quite apparent that I am in the wrong " I (Mrs) don't think you're in the wrong here.... it's a shame that you seem to not get anywhere when you talk about it. Could you try and address it in a different way? In writing maybe? You're giving him ALOT of freedom and I don't think you're asking for equal freedom in return but a reasonable adjustment. Why is he not ok with you extending your visit and eating? Does that cross an intimacy boundary for him? Has he had a prior experience like this and it went 'wrong'? This is the area that needs unpicking IMO For what it's worth I think it's also brave and strong of you to try and seek others POV I hope you work it out K Xx | |||
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"I think it doesn't matter what others do.... as long as your rules work for you. I've me couples where only one half is allowed to play, yet it seems to work for them x" the biggest and most important key to this working is communication. There may well be things that one partner may not want to necessarily take part in but being involved in the run up or being told about it after can be just as important to make that person still feel included in the journey instead of being kept in dark and constantly shut out. If the communication not there is just cheating, not swinging | |||
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"No, the rules aren't equal. If you want them equal, then set the same as your spouse requests. Don't forget, rules evolve and change as time goes by too. So. For perspective. Your OH tells you you can stay over at a hotel for the night with another person (for example) You want to. But the idea of your OH sleeping in a bed with someone else makes you feel sick. You do it because they said it was ok, you have a great time and thoroughly enjoy every bit of that freedom you are given. And then weeks later they start to hint that you did it so they would like to also and that if feels unfair otherwise ..... How does that sit? Assuming the rest of your relationship is tight AF and you've always been open and honest. " __ You should be asking this your OH and talking. You seem insecure, talking about freedom. Perhaps swinging is not for you if you agree to your OH do something that makes you feel sick. | |||
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" Why do they not want to be on their own with the children? Why can't they sleep while the other is out? Etc.... This was theoretical. But I guess it can relate to hanging out with other playfriends too. I guess my actual situation crosses over both examples and I should ask 'Why does he not feel comfortable with me hanging out with someone after sex and grabbing a take away before coming home after driving an hour to see them..... but he's comfortable going for drinks on a weekly basis with his FWB and staying over at hotels and going to sex clubs with them because I have no desire to go to clubs and allow him that pleasure because I'm ok with it ' Maybe.? " I totally get this. I was in an open relationship. Once he stayed over with another girl and that didn’t bother me at all. But when he told me later she cooked breakfast and he hung around a few hours I flipped. It felt like it crossed a boundary from playing to dating, I guess. I read a lot at that stage about jealousy and open relationships, and why people get jealous. Basically there is one argument that jealousy isn’t a feeling in itself - it’s a reaction to another feeling. So you are jealous because you feel insecure, or you worry you miss out, or you think your lover might find someone else more interesting / fun / sexy. So my advice is try and figure out what really bothers your other half and deal with that. One thing I did learn personally is that I couldn’t do a proper poly relationship with that specific partner. And I realised I probably wont be ok not being the primary partner in an open relationship. It’s definitely worth reading up on this. Good luck xx | |||
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"Why do couples look at my profile when they say they only looking for other couples or females?" __ Perhaps because you post here? sometimes we check the profiles of people that make comments that we like or dislike, agree, disagree etc. And I guess many people do the same and check our profile based on comments we make. | |||
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"Why do couples look at my profile when they say they only looking for other couples or females? __ Perhaps because you post here? sometimes we check the profiles of people that make comments that we like or dislike, agree, disagree etc. And I guess many people do the same and check our profile based on comments we make." Yes we do this too. | |||
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" For what it's worth I think it's also brave and strong of you to try and seek others POV I hope you work it out K Xx" Thankyou. I very much appreciate that. I'm here to try my best to get it right, not to whinge or complain that it's unfair. Maybe others have had the same issue. It's difficult when the only people you talk to about swinging is the people you're fucking and it's a turn off to talk about having predicaments so you don't want to bring it to them either. We have talked a lot about why it crosses a boundary for him and it seems that it's an intimacy issue. He LOVES watching me get fucked. But the idea of me being 'cutesy' or 'romantic' with someone is a guy twister for him. The thing is though, I don't do romantic. I'm the least cute person in the world. I'm more likely to be wrestling someone to the floor for the last chicken wing than holding hands over a dinner table haha. I just want to have a laugh and chill with them because they are my friends, but our 'relationships' are bound to texting and fucking, which is fine....but sometimes it's just nice to not fuck and dash every single time, especially when he's enjoying going for drinks and hotel stays and going for lunch. I don't WANT to have to tell him to stop doing that because I genuinely don't mind. What I seem to mind is the inequality of the rules I guess. It feels really pretty of me to tell him to stop 'because I can't get my own way' - but I also can't turn off the frustration that I feel about it. And if we stop everything. We both loose good friends. | |||
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" I totally get this. I was in an open relationship. Once he stayed over with another girl and that didn’t bother me at all. But when he told me later she cooked breakfast and he hung around a few hours I flipped. It felt like it crossed a boundary from playing to dating, I guess. I read a lot at that stage about jealousy and open relationships, and why people get jealous. Basically there is one argument that jealousy isn’t a feeling in itself - it’s a reaction to another feeling. So you are jealous because you feel insecure, or you worry you miss out, or you think your lover might find someone else more interesting / fun / sexy. So my advice is try and figure out what really bothers your other half and deal with that. Good luck xx" This is really helpful and nice to hear. Thankyou x | |||
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" For what it's worth I think it's also brave and strong of you to try and seek others POV I hope you work it out K Xx Thankyou. I very much appreciate that. I'm here to try my best to get it right, not to whinge or complain that it's unfair. Maybe others have had the same issue. It's difficult when the only people you talk to about swinging is the people you're fucking and it's a turn off to talk about having predicaments so you don't want to bring it to them either. We have talked a lot about why it crosses a boundary for him and it seems that it's an intimacy issue. He LOVES watching me get fucked. But the idea of me being 'cutesy' or 'romantic' with someone is a guy twister for him. The thing is though, I don't do romantic. I'm the least cute person in the world. I'm more likely to be wrestling someone to the floor for the last chicken wing than holding hands over a dinner table haha. I just want to have a laugh and chill with them because they are my friends, but our 'relationships' are bound to texting and fucking, which is fine....but sometimes it's just nice to not fuck and dash every single time, especially when he's enjoying going for drinks and hotel stays and going for lunch. I don't WANT to have to tell him to stop doing that because I genuinely don't mind. What I seem to mind is the inequality of the rules I guess. It feels really pretty of me to tell him to stop 'because I can't get my own way' - but I also can't turn off the frustration that I feel about it. And if we stop everything. We both loose good friends. " Perhaps together you need to find a compromise, a small step initially that your partner could be comfortable with. Or you tear up your current rule book and go back to basics, start all over again. If your relationship is the most important thing, and you want swinging to remain a part of that, you need to find a way that works for both of you. | |||
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" For what it's worth I think it's also brave and strong of you to try and seek others POV I hope you work it out K Xx Thankyou. I very much appreciate that. I'm here to try my best to get it right, not to whinge or complain that it's unfair. Maybe others have had the same issue. It's difficult when the only people you talk to about swinging is the people you're fucking and it's a turn off to talk about having predicaments so you don't want to bring it to them either. We have talked a lot about why it crosses a boundary for him and it seems that it's an intimacy issue. He LOVES watching me get fucked. But the idea of me being 'cutesy' or 'romantic' with someone is a guy twister for him. The thing is though, I don't do romantic. I'm the least cute person in the world. I'm more likely to be wrestling someone to the floor for the last chicken wing than holding hands over a dinner table haha. I just want to have a laugh and chill with them because they are my friends, but our 'relationships' are bound to texting and fucking, which is fine....but sometimes it's just nice to not fuck and dash every single time, especially when he's enjoying going for drinks and hotel stays and going for lunch. I don't WANT to have to tell him to stop doing that because I genuinely don't mind. What I seem to mind is the inequality of the rules I guess. It feels really pretty of me to tell him to stop 'because I can't get my own way' - but I also can't turn off the frustration that I feel about it. And if we stop everything. We both loose good friends. Perhaps together you need to find a compromise, a small step initially that your partner could be comfortable with. Or you tear up your current rule book and go back to basics, start all over again. If your relationship is the most important thing, and you want swinging to remain a part of that, you need to find a way that works for both of you. " We have the same boundaries for each other, as frankly it seems unfair to do it any other way. If I want to do something then she should be able to do it too. If I want to go out and fuck someone and hang out with them afterwards but would get jealous if she does the same, well boo fucking hoo for me. I need to either put my big boy pants on and deal with my jealousy, or I need to not do that thing myself. As it happens neither of us really feel like playing without the other, she has but found it pretty unsatisfying, so it’s not an issue but if it comes up then what I said above goes. | |||
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"No, the rules aren't equal. If you want them equal, then set the same as your spouse requests. Don't forget, rules evolve and change as time goes by too. So. For perspective. Your OH tells you you can stay over at a hotel for the night with another person (for example) You want to. But the idea of your OH sleeping in a bed with someone else makes you feel sick. You do it because they said it was ok, you have a great time and thoroughly enjoy every bit of that freedom you are given. And then weeks later they start to hint that you did it so they would like to also and that if feels unfair otherwise ..... How does that sit? Assuming the rest of your relationship is tight AF and you've always been open and honest. " If one is uncomfortable with something just because the other isn't doesn't mean it's ok to do. Personally your partners thoughts and boundaries should come 1st. Just because say I'm happy for my man to stay over, if he's uncomfortable for me to do so I wouldn't. Take it at each others pace that maybe different but you have to work together & compromise. Mrs | |||
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"This is honestly so interesting to hear from you all with different dynamics and I'm so grateful for your time spent explaining. We have had even lengthier chats and it appears that he doesn't really want me playing alone at all now so it's fully back to the drawing board (and back to just us for a little while) to re evaluate what is going to work. Wishing you all the most intense orgasms tonight in return for your kindness " Glad you're getting somewhere. Sometimes a reset, and focusing on yourselves for a while, is the best option. Good luck | |||
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"Let's be honest most couple profiles in here are used by mostly men or single men pretending to be in a couple" Huh? Are you ok sir? | |||
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"Let's be honest most couple profiles in here are used by mostly men or single men pretending to be in a couple" Some maybe.....but it isn't half obvious when they try. | |||
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"This is honestly so interesting to hear from you all with different dynamics and I'm so grateful for your time spent explaining. We have had even lengthier chats and it appears that he doesn't really want me playing alone at all now so it's fully back to the drawing board (and back to just us for a little while) to re evaluate what is going to work. Wishing you all the most intense orgasms tonight in return for your kindness " We always say that all of this is a giant minefield. It’s a constantly evolving process, you learn with each experience. The conversations are great though, it’s all brought us even closer together which is saying something! C x | |||
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"Let's be honest most couple profiles in here are used by mostly men or single men pretending to be in a couple" Not in our experience. We’ve only ever interacted with two couples profiles that we suspected to actually single men but we sussed them out very quickly, they’re quite obvious to spot when you know what to look for. C x | |||
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"Let's be honest most couple profiles in here are used by mostly men or single men pretending to be in a couple Huh? Are you ok sir? " yes | |||
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"Let's be honest most couple profiles in here are used by mostly men or single men pretending to be in a couple Not in our experience. We’ve only ever interacted with two couples profiles that we suspected to actually single men but we sussed them out very quickly, they’re quite obvious to spot when you know what to look for. C x" Would agree. Lots of chancers bit easy to suss out when you know what to ask and look for. | |||
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"Why do I get geriatric couples looking at my profiles?" Because they can What age do you mean? | |||
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"Why do I get geriatric couples looking at my profiles? Because they can What age do you mean? " like over 60s | |||
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"Why do I get geriatric couples looking at my profiles?" Is this because each person in the couple has different rules ? | |||
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"Why do I get geriatric couples looking at my profiles?" It’s your charm and positive, inclusive attitude, I reckon. | |||
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"Why do I get geriatric couples looking at my profiles?" They won't know how old you are until they look and possibly they are interested to know more about you | |||
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"Why do I get geriatric couples looking at my profiles?" Probably because no one can tell your age by your chest, so they click on your profile. Mrs | |||
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