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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? " Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck  | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck "thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail. | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail. "I say this constructively, the fact you have to ask how much it will cost suggests you may not be experienced enough to take on such a major investment. It is impossible for me, a stranger, to say how much it will cost because there are so many variables such as the the annual rent, whether you will be taking on a repairing lease, what state the premises are in, what size the space is, how far you want to go with any refit, what you are going to do about running a bar, etc. Putting on a good offering does not guarantee success, things like location, marketing, competition, etc come into play. I am not trying to be negative, just suggesting you go into this with your eyes open and take advice from experts if you don’t have experience of running a business like this. I suggested renting a venue for a night to dip your toe in, that way your risk is limited versus taking on a major financial commitment by being tied into a lease. Good luck | |||
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"You will probably want to do some reasearch into the local level of demand for a new venue, if you haven't already. You will be aware that there are already 2 city centre venues in Leicester and numerous other clubs within short driving distance i.e. nottingham, derby, lutterworth etc. Do you think the demand is there? Not wanting to be negative just asking the question "Demand in Leicester could be significant, the 2 main rivals are Club 29 and Amigos, the first is open 2 days a week, daytime only and is basically a knocking shop. The second is quite small, has a couple of maintenance issues and open Thursday to Sunday. If they run a venture that opens additional to competitors hours, is well fitted and has good airflow, isn't full of call girls and is kept to a good standard of cleanliness there is no reason it can't succeed. The Attic is moving to a new site soon, but the old one was quite run down, the bar is pretty low on what people will accept for a venue. | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail.
I say this constructively, the fact you have to ask how much it will cost suggests you may not be experienced enough to take on such a major investment.
It is impossible for me, a stranger, to say how much it will cost because there are so many variables such as the the annual rent, whether you will be taking on a repairing lease, what state the premises are in, what size the space is, how far you want to go with any refit, what you are going to do about running a bar, etc.
Putting on a good offering does not guarantee success, things like location, marketing, competition, etc come into play.
I am not trying to be negative, just suggesting you go into this with your eyes open and take advice from experts if you don’t have experience of running a business like this.
I suggested renting a venue for a night to dip your toe in, that way your risk is limited versus taking on a major financial commitment by being tied into a lease.
Good luck "hi thanks for the advice, it would be a case of going into it pretty blind as never done anything like that before. I was thinking find a building not used for a while so i could negotiate a decent rent or lease. I would want to get a 5 year deal for about £50,000-£60,000, say £40-£50,000 for refurb. Yeah i know about new sexual entertainment licence. Obviously would have to take into account wages, utilities etc. Its just worrying whether a licence would be granted, wouldnt want to rent somewhere then be turned down. Not sure if you can find out first ? | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail.
I say this constructively, the fact you have to ask how much it will cost suggests you may not be experienced enough to take on such a major investment.
It is impossible for me, a stranger, to say how much it will cost because there are so many variables such as the the annual rent, whether you will be taking on a repairing lease, what state the premises are in, what size the space is, how far you want to go with any refit, what you are going to do about running a bar, etc.
Putting on a good offering does not guarantee success, things like location, marketing, competition, etc come into play.
I am not trying to be negative, just suggesting you go into this with your eyes open and take advice from experts if you don’t have experience of running a business like this.
I suggested renting a venue for a night to dip your toe in, that way your risk is limited versus taking on a major financial commitment by being tied into a lease.
Good luck hi thanks for the advice, it would be a case of going into it pretty blind as never done anything like that before. I was thinking find a building not used for a while so i could negotiate a decent rent or lease. I would want to get a 5 year deal for about £50,000-£60,000, say £40-£50,000 for refurb. Yeah i know about new sexual entertainment licence. Obviously would have to take into account wages, utilities etc. Its just worrying whether a licence would be granted, wouldnt want to rent somewhere then be turned down. Not sure if you can find out first ? "Hi Op Contact the licencing department of your council and write to the councilor local to you of your possible intentions. Good luck. | |||
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"You will probably want to do some reasearch into the local level of demand for a new venue, if you haven't already. You will be aware that there are already 2 city centre venues in Leicester and numerous other clubs within short driving distance i.e. nottingham, derby, lutterworth etc. Do you think the demand is there? Not wanting to be negative just asking the question
Demand in Leicester could be significant, the 2 main rivals are Club 29 and Amigos, the first is open 2 days a week, daytime only and is basically a knocking shop. The second is quite small, has a couple of maintenance issues and open Thursday to Sunday.
If they run a venture that opens additional to competitors hours, is well fitted and has good airflow, isn't full of call girls and is kept to a good standard of cleanliness there is no reason it can't succeed.
The Attic is moving to a new site soon, but the old one was quite run down, the bar is pretty low on what people will accept for a venue."thanks i was thinking along the same lines. I believe their is a huge demand. People will always try something new and always travel to try out new clubs. If it was spot on and people relly like it, they will keep coming back. | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail.
I say this constructively, the fact you have to ask how much it will cost suggests you may not be experienced enough to take on such a major investment.
It is impossible for me, a stranger, to say how much it will cost because there are so many variables such as the the annual rent, whether you will be taking on a repairing lease, what state the premises are in, what size the space is, how far you want to go with any refit, what you are going to do about running a bar, etc.
Putting on a good offering does not guarantee success, things like location, marketing, competition, etc come into play.
I am not trying to be negative, just suggesting you go into this with your eyes open and take advice from experts if you don’t have experience of running a business like this.
I suggested renting a venue for a night to dip your toe in, that way your risk is limited versus taking on a major financial commitment by being tied into a lease.
Good luck hi thanks for the advice, it would be a case of going into it pretty blind as never done anything like that before. I was thinking find a building not used for a while so i could negotiate a decent rent or lease. I would want to get a 5 year deal for about £50,000-£60,000, say £40-£50,000 for refurb. Yeah i know about new sexual entertainment licence. Obviously would have to take into account wages, utilities etc. Its just worrying whether a licence would be granted, wouldnt want to rent somewhere then be turned down. Not sure if you can find out first ?
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Contact the licencing department of your council and write to the councilor local to you of your possible intentions. Good luck. "thanks yeah sorting it | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail.
I say this constructively, the fact you have to ask how much it will cost suggests you may not be experienced enough to take on such a major investment.
It is impossible for me, a stranger, to say how much it will cost because there are so many variables such as the the annual rent, whether you will be taking on a repairing lease, what state the premises are in, what size the space is, how far you want to go with any refit, what you are going to do about running a bar, etc.
Putting on a good offering does not guarantee success, things like location, marketing, competition, etc come into play.
I am not trying to be negative, just suggesting you go into this with your eyes open and take advice from experts if you don’t have experience of running a business like this.
I suggested renting a venue for a night to dip your toe in, that way your risk is limited versus taking on a major financial commitment by being tied into a lease.
Good luck hi thanks for the advice, it would be a case of going into it pretty blind as never done anything like that before. I was thinking find a building not used for a while so i could negotiate a decent rent or lease. I would want to get a 5 year deal for about £50,000-£60,000, say £40-£50,000 for refurb. Yeah i know about new sexual entertainment licence. Obviously would have to take into account wages, utilities etc. Its just worrying whether a licence would be granted, wouldnt want to rent somewhere then be turned down. Not sure if you can find out first ? "40/50k doesn't go far on refurb work nowadays | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail.
I say this constructively, the fact you have to ask how much it will cost suggests you may not be experienced enough to take on such a major investment.
It is impossible for me, a stranger, to say how much it will cost because there are so many variables such as the the annual rent, whether you will be taking on a repairing lease, what state the premises are in, what size the space is, how far you want to go with any refit, what you are going to do about running a bar, etc.
Putting on a good offering does not guarantee success, things like location, marketing, competition, etc come into play.
I am not trying to be negative, just suggesting you go into this with your eyes open and take advice from experts if you don’t have experience of running a business like this.
I suggested renting a venue for a night to dip your toe in, that way your risk is limited versus taking on a major financial commitment by being tied into a lease.
Good luck hi thanks for the advice, it would be a case of going into it pretty blind as never done anything like that before. I was thinking find a building not used for a while so i could negotiate a decent rent or lease. I would want to get a 5 year deal for about £50,000-£60,000, say £40-£50,000 for refurb. Yeah i know about new sexual entertainment licence. Obviously would have to take into account wages, utilities etc. Its just worrying whether a licence would be granted, wouldnt want to rent somewhere then be turned down. Not sure if you can find out first ?
40/50k doesn't go far on refurb work nowadays "i could go more, not a problem. | |||
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"Getting a license would be difficult. LCC clamped down on giving licenses to adult entertainment venues (despite many councillors visiting such venues!) There are multiple buildings empty. Belgrave Gate is practically empty near town. Anywhere on the outside of the inner ring road would be ideal, especially near Belgrave flyover, as no other business wants to be there but it is 100yds from other nightlife venues and local hotels." Just looked at your profile you certainly got your name right | |||
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"Getting a license would be difficult. LCC clamped down on giving licenses to adult entertainment venues (despite many councillors visiting such venues!) There are multiple buildings empty. Belgrave Gate is practically empty near town. Anywhere on the outside of the inner ring road would be ideal, especially near Belgrave flyover, as no other business wants to be there but it is 100yds from other nightlife venues and local hotels." The area certainly has a lot of potential candidates, people will always travel for a quality venue. By the way, that "unfulfilled fantasy" on your profile is very achievable with us xxx | |||
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"Remember that you may need a licence from the council as well " You will defo need a licence. That's how Galores in Benfleet Essex got closed down. | |||
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"Remember that you may need a licence from the council as well You will defo need a licence. That's how Galores in Benfleet Essex got closed down." Yep before you worry about anything else you need to put some feelers out on the license especially investing those sums of money (and suspect it could be more). If you are out of town in countryside you can operate in the shadows a little bit especially if you own the place o the owner is in on things. However, in a city/town and if renting then really need everything above board. Here in Essex for example there is huge demand for a club but there was nothing until recently as can't get approval. There is one now but hidden away in a house effectively, away from town and I would guess without full approvals although I'm not 100% sure on that. | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail.
I say this constructively, the fact you have to ask how much it will cost suggests you may not be experienced enough to take on such a major investment.
It is impossible for me, a stranger, to say how much it will cost because there are so many variables such as the the annual rent, whether you will be taking on a repairing lease, what state the premises are in, what size the space is, how far you want to go with any refit, what you are going to do about running a bar, etc.
Putting on a good offering does not guarantee success, things like location, marketing, competition, etc come into play.
I am not trying to be negative, just suggesting you go into this with your eyes open and take advice from experts if you don’t have experience of running a business like this.
I suggested renting a venue for a night to dip your toe in, that way your risk is limited versus taking on a major financial commitment by being tied into a lease.
Good luck hi thanks for the advice, it would be a case of going into it pretty blind as never done anything like that before. I was thinking find a building not used for a while so i could negotiate a decent rent or lease. I would want to get a 5 year deal for about £50,000-£60,000, say £40-£50,000 for refurb. Yeah i know about new sexual entertainment licence. Obviously would have to take into account wages, utilities etc. Its just worrying whether a licence would be granted, wouldnt want to rent somewhere then be turned down. Not sure if you can find out first ? "Your first mistake as a new business would be to tie yourself into a 5 year lease considering 90% of new businesses fail within the first year…your second mistake is to think that you’ll be able to rent a property big enough to be used as a club for £1k a month…you’ll probably have to pay that much in business rates let alone rent….your 3rd mistake is thinking that it’s a good idea to rent a property that has been empty for a while, there’s a reason why certain properties remain empty for a long time, normally because they’re in a terrible location or because they need too much work doing to them for it to an economically sound idea to rent them….you said that you have plenty of money to throw at the refurbishment but you’re looking for somewhere with ridiculously low rent which is a bit of a contradiction, throwing money at one thing and cutting corners everywhere else will always lead to failure…..I’m sure if you go to the bank and tell them that you’re going to do it ‘nice and good’ then they’ll lend you as much money as you want because that’s obviously a well thought out and thorough business plan. Anyway, good look with your venture. | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail.
I say this constructively, the fact you have to ask how much it will cost suggests you may not be experienced enough to take on such a major investment.
It is impossible for me, a stranger, to say how much it will cost because there are so many variables such as the the annual rent, whether you will be taking on a repairing lease, what state the premises are in, what size the space is, how far you want to go with any refit, what you are going to do about running a bar, etc.
Putting on a good offering does not guarantee success, things like location, marketing, competition, etc come into play.
I am not trying to be negative, just suggesting you go into this with your eyes open and take advice from experts if you don’t have experience of running a business like this.
I suggested renting a venue for a night to dip your toe in, that way your risk is limited versus taking on a major financial commitment by being tied into a lease.
Good luck hi thanks for the advice, it would be a case of going into it pretty blind as never done anything like that before. I was thinking find a building not used for a while so i could negotiate a decent rent or lease. I would want to get a 5 year deal for about £50,000-£60,000, say £40-£50,000 for refurb. Yeah i know about new sexual entertainment licence. Obviously would have to take into account wages, utilities etc. Its just worrying whether a licence would be granted, wouldnt want to rent somewhere then be turned down. Not sure if you can find out first ?
Your first mistake as a new business would be to tie yourself into a 5 year lease considering 90% of new businesses fail within the first year…your second mistake is to think that you’ll be able to rent a property big enough to be used as a club for £1k a month…you’ll probably have to pay that much in business rates let alone rent….your 3rd mistake is thinking that it’s a good idea to rent a property that has been empty for a while, there’s a reason why certain properties remain empty for a long time, normally because they’re in a terrible location or because they need too much work doing to them for it to an economically sound idea to rent them….you said that you have plenty of money to throw at the refurbishment but you’re looking for somewhere with ridiculously low rent which is a bit of a contradiction, throwing money at one thing and cutting corners everywhere else will always lead to failure…..I’m sure if you go to the bank and tell them that you’re going to do it ‘nice and good’ then they’ll lend you as much money as you want because that’s obviously a well thought out and thorough business plan.
Anyway, good look with your venture. "thanks for your advice, much appreciated. A property may have been shut for a while cos it wouldnt be good as a shop or a housing development but could be ideal for a club out the way. Sometime you have to take a risk to reap the rewards. If you do a one year rental and do the building up nice and the landlord says thank you very much now i will have it back after one year. The figures are not set in stone and can be upped. If it costs more to rent then so be it, but obviously you have to weigh up the costs and outgoings against your incomings. Its a case of doing a lot of homework and research and investigative work. | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail.
I say this constructively, the fact you have to ask how much it will cost suggests you may not be experienced enough to take on such a major investment.
It is impossible for me, a stranger, to say how much it will cost because there are so many variables such as the the annual rent, whether you will be taking on a repairing lease, what state the premises are in, what size the space is, how far you want to go with any refit, what you are going to do about running a bar, etc.
Putting on a good offering does not guarantee success, things like location, marketing, competition, etc come into play.
I am not trying to be negative, just suggesting you go into this with your eyes open and take advice from experts if you don’t have experience of running a business like this.
I suggested renting a venue for a night to dip your toe in, that way your risk is limited versus taking on a major financial commitment by being tied into a lease.
Good luck hi thanks for the advice, it would be a case of going into it pretty blind as never done anything like that before. I was thinking find a building not used for a while so i could negotiate a decent rent or lease. I would want to get a 5 year deal for about £50,000-£60,000, say £40-£50,000 for refurb. Yeah i know about new sexual entertainment licence. Obviously would have to take into account wages, utilities etc. Its just worrying whether a licence would be granted, wouldnt want to rent somewhere then be turned down. Not sure if you can find out first ?
Your first mistake as a new business would be to tie yourself into a 5 year lease considering 90% of new businesses fail within the first year…your second mistake is to think that you’ll be able to rent a property big enough to be used as a club for £1k a month…you’ll probably have to pay that much in business rates let alone rent….your 3rd mistake is thinking that it’s a good idea to rent a property that has been empty for a while, there’s a reason why certain properties remain empty for a long time, normally because they’re in a terrible location or because they need too much work doing to them for it to an economically sound idea to rent them….you said that you have plenty of money to throw at the refurbishment but you’re looking for somewhere with ridiculously low rent which is a bit of a contradiction, throwing money at one thing and cutting corners everywhere else will always lead to failure…..I’m sure if you go to the bank and tell them that you’re going to do it ‘nice and good’ then they’ll lend you as much money as you want because that’s obviously a well thought out and thorough business plan.
Anyway, good look with your venture. thanks for your advice, much appreciated. A property may have been shut for a while cos it wouldnt be good as a shop or a housing development but could be ideal for a club out the way. Sometime you have to take a risk to reap the rewards. If you do a one year rental and do the building up nice and the landlord says thank you very much now i will have it back after one year. The figures are not set in stone and can be upped. If it costs more to rent then so be it, but obviously you have to weigh up the costs and outgoings against your incomings. Its a case of doing a lot of homework and research and investigative work. "You could also sign up to a 5 year contract, spend a lot of money doing it up nice and get closed down by the council in a year. You really need to focus on that side of things. | |||
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"Any empty building around leicester city centre that would be good to open a new swingers club ? Would involve considerable investment to convert most commercial premises. Bearing in mind a lot of these clubs fail, you might be better starting small by hiring an existing venue, although of course it might be difficult to find a premises owner that is comfortable with such an evening. Good luck thanks, what sort of investment would you think it would take ? I think if its done right and nicely, it shouldnt fail.
I say this constructively, the fact you have to ask how much it will cost suggests you may not be experienced enough to take on such a major investment.
It is impossible for me, a stranger, to say how much it will cost because there are so many variables such as the the annual rent, whether you will be taking on a repairing lease, what state the premises are in, what size the space is, how far you want to go with any refit, what you are going to do about running a bar, etc.
Putting on a good offering does not guarantee success, things like location, marketing, competition, etc come into play.
I am not trying to be negative, just suggesting you go into this with your eyes open and take advice from experts if you don’t have experience of running a business like this.
I suggested renting a venue for a night to dip your toe in, that way your risk is limited versus taking on a major financial commitment by being tied into a lease.
Good luck hi thanks for the advice, it would be a case of going into it pretty blind as never done anything like that before. I was thinking find a building not used for a while so i could negotiate a decent rent or lease. I would want to get a 5 year deal for about £50,000-£60,000, say £40-£50,000 for refurb. Yeah i know about new sexual entertainment licence. Obviously would have to take into account wages, utilities etc. Its just worrying whether a licence would be granted, wouldnt want to rent somewhere then be turned down. Not sure if you can find out first ?
Your first mistake as a new business would be to tie yourself into a 5 year lease considering 90% of new businesses fail within the first year…your second mistake is to think that you’ll be able to rent a property big enough to be used as a club for £1k a month…you’ll probably have to pay that much in business rates let alone rent….your 3rd mistake is thinking that it’s a good idea to rent a property that has been empty for a while, there’s a reason why certain properties remain empty for a long time, normally because they’re in a terrible location or because they need too much work doing to them for it to an economically sound idea to rent them….you said that you have plenty of money to throw at the refurbishment but you’re looking for somewhere with ridiculously low rent which is a bit of a contradiction, throwing money at one thing and cutting corners everywhere else will always lead to failure…..I’m sure if you go to the bank and tell them that you’re going to do it ‘nice and good’ then they’ll lend you as much money as you want because that’s obviously a well thought out and thorough business plan.
Anyway, good look with your venture. thanks for your advice, much appreciated. A property may have been shut for a while cos it wouldnt be good as a shop or a housing development but could be ideal for a club out the way. Sometime you have to take a risk to reap the rewards. If you do a one year rental and do the building up nice and the landlord says thank you very much now i will have it back after one year. The figures are not set in stone and can be upped. If it costs more to rent then so be it, but obviously you have to weigh up the costs and outgoings against your incomings. Its a case of doing a lot of homework and research and investigative work.
You could also sign up to a 5 year contract, spend a lot of money doing it up nice and get closed down by the council in a year. You really need to focus on that side of things. "oh of course everything would be considered. | |||
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"Remember that you may need a licence from the council as well You will defo need a licence. That's how Galores in Benfleet Essex got closed down. Yep before you worry about anything else you need to put some feelers out on the license especially investing those sums of money (and suspect it could be more). If you are out of town in countryside you can operate in the shadows a little bit especially if you own the place o the owner is in on things. However, in a city/town and if renting then really need everything above board. Here in Essex for example there is huge demand for a club but there was nothing until recently as can't get approval. There is one now but hidden away in a house effectively, away from town and I would guess without full approvals although I'm not 100% sure on that. " The licensing in Essex amazes me how strict they are how expensive it is. I can see we have lost so many nightclubs (yes I know it's a different licence), since the 90s. | |||
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"Remember that you may need a licence from the council as well You will defo need a licence. That's how Galores in Benfleet Essex got closed down. Yep before you worry about anything else you need to put some feelers out on the license especially investing those sums of money (and suspect it could be more). If you are out of town in countryside you can operate in the shadows a little bit especially if you own the place o the owner is in on things. However, in a city/town and if renting then really need everything above board. Here in Essex for example there is huge demand for a club but there was nothing until recently as can't get approval. There is one now but hidden away in a house effectively, away from town and I would guess without full approvals although I'm not 100% sure on that. The licensing in Essex amazes me how strict they are how expensive it is. I can see we have lost so many nightclubs (yes I know it's a different licence), since the 90s. " yeah sad for businesses when they cant survive and have to shut down. | |||
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