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"Our club experiences to date haven't been great. We haven't clicked with anyone at couples events, and Mrs K is put off events that allow single men because she doesn't like guys just following couples and wanking over them. What's the best club around London to avoid the wanking dead, and does it reduce their numbers or eliminate them? " If you are interested in things beyond swingers clubs, Klub Verboten does not allow solo wankers. It’s a kinky queer rave with a playroom, as opposed to a swingers club, but you can have sex there (it doesn’t have to be BDSM sex although they have BDSM equipment). Solo people are allowed in the playroom but if anyone touches themselves while not being involved in a scene, they get removed. | |||
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"Personally me and My Girl have found this is vastly reduced on couples nights. Still occasionally get a guy or two who's parted from the lady their with, but no gangs of guys. Also different clubs/nights/times seems to be better or worse (don't know the London scene so can't advise). As to how to avoid them not real advice apart from digression and sneaking off to a play room without them spotting you. It's a bit like a life zombie role play. However we have been in clubs where there is loads of single guys and few couples. In this scenario we've found they very quickly become aware of your no longer being around in the social area and flock off in hopeful search for you. Sometimes we'll run off, find a space and just have a private conversation. Sure another the guys find us, realise we're just having a mundane conversation and leave. Then once they walk away we fuck the shit out of each other. It's not that we mind being watched. What bothers us is them all just trying to help them selves to a piece of our actions or one or two of them trying to push their way in. Or something it's the distracting comments or cringy noises being made or the heckling. That's annoying and distracting. Most guys are great but it's just one or two who ruin things and prevent you from being ablebto enjoy the club care free." Er, when you say creepy noises and heckling, what do you mean? | |||
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"Personally me and My Girl have found this is vastly reduced on couples nights. Still occasionally get a guy or two who's parted from the lady their with, but no gangs of guys. Also different clubs/nights/times seems to be better or worse (don't know the London scene so can't advise). As to how to avoid them not real advice apart from digression and sneaking off to a play room without them spotting you. It's a bit like a life zombie role play. However we have been in clubs where there is loads of single guys and few couples. In this scenario we've found they very quickly become aware of your no longer being around in the social area and flock off in hopeful search for you. Sometimes we'll run off, find a space and just have a private conversation. Sure another the guys find us, realise we're just having a mundane conversation and leave. Then once they walk away we fuck the shit out of each other. It's not that we mind being watched. What bothers us is them all just trying to help them selves to a piece of our actions or one or two of them trying to push their way in. Or something it's the distracting comments or cringy noises being made or the heckling. That's annoying and distracting. Most guys are great but it's just one or two who ruin things and prevent you from being ablebto enjoy the club care free. Er, when you say creepy noises and heckling, what do you mean?" Cringy comments more than creepy (granted cringe is subjective). That sort of cometary out loud some guys make. And not always just the words they say but how they say them (if that makes sense). Or sometimes those strange random sex noises sent in our direction. I know everyone is there to do their thing. But personally just prefer people to enjoy watching and keeping their comments to them self rather that giving out running commentary and opinion. Just seems bad form/etiquette to me. And yes we've heard what I'd describe as heckling in the past. Although to be fair when I think about it the worse heckling I've heard in my time have both been from women. The worse was two very young d*unk women who also threw their empty cans through the cage door. And the second worse was by a lady (we know to be a regular) who likes to e centre of attention and her freind. I suspect the heckling was because this time she was not centre of attention as our freinds were playing with us not her or her freind. We were all not impressed by their dickish behaviour and left the room. So to be fair when I think about sometimes the worse behaviour has been women. | |||
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"Thanks everyone for the helpful answers. Our problem may be that we like some single men, but not the rest - and we don't know which ones they are until afterwards!" My line is that if they can’t be bothered with me in the bar, I can’t be bothered in the playroom. I won’t engage with someone I don’t recognise now. That’s cut my drama back 90% or so. | |||
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"Don’t go to Rios! " We've heard that its a bit like the Wild West but without the firearms for protection. A predatory is vibe. Only a place for the very assertive and the cock greedy is the impression we get. | |||
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"Don’t go to Rios! " Yep this was a bit like that for us. Same for Gems. | |||
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"We don't know the London clubs, however of the seven clubs we've been to we've not had problems with guys. We go to a club that allows single men, we go and play in a lockable room, sometimes with a voyeur window so we can be watched (but you can't see them). Some men will indeed watch some action and play with themselves, however we've never heard of anyone who's been wanked over that didn't want it!" Some do try to get in the Naked Room rather than watching through the window at the Attic, but a death stare from one of the group usually is enough to repel them | |||
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"We like single guys.. Y's quite the exhibitionist, but we've experienced similar on nights when the less respectful men were in attendance.. It's very off putting to lift your head and some guy, you've not even spoke to is stroking it less than 2 feet from your face!! Have only done organised events or couple's only nights since.." This happened to me while Mr Fox had his head somewhere he couldn't see from, next time I'd speak up for myself! | |||
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"We like single guys.. Y's quite the exhibitionist, but we've experienced similar on nights when the less respectful men were in attendance.. It's very off putting to lift your head and some guy, you've not even spoke to is stroking it less than 2 feet from your face!! Have only done organised events or couple's only nights since.." This is why 6 in a room is fun, at least one person isn't face-deep in someone else to act as guard dog | |||
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"We like single guys.. Y's quite the exhibitionist, but we've experienced similar on nights when the less respectful men were in attendance.. It's very off putting to lift your head and some guy, you've not even spoke to is stroking it less than 2 feet from your face!! Have only done organised events or couple's only nights since.. This happened to me while Mr Fox had his head somewhere he couldn't see from, next time I'd speak up for myself!" Oh Y's more than capable of telling anyone to fuck off .. It just spoiled the show for others observing, lol.. We've no issue with being watched at all, quite enjoy it. But there's limit's | |||
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"Our club experiences to date haven't been great. We haven't clicked with anyone at couples events, and Mrs K is put off events that allow single men because she doesn't like guys just following couples and wanking over them. What's the best club around London to avoid the wanking dead, and does it reduce their numbers or eliminate them? " Wanking dead. That’s genius. We get a lot of messages off the wanking dead | |||
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"We go to clubs and like to meet single guys there The guys stand more chance of being invited to go in a room with either Jess on her own or a threesum with both of us by engaging in conversation with both of us Guy’s following us around wanking don’t stand a chance with us" Absolutely!! Some are so persistent too! Like a continued annoyance will result in a 'Oh go on then..' #PalmFace | |||
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"We go to clubs and like to meet single guys there The guys stand more chance of being invited to go in a room with either Jess on her own or a threesum with both of us by engaging in conversation with both of us Guy’s following us around wanking don’t stand a chance with us" No banter = no interest | |||
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"We go to clubs and like to meet single guys there The guys stand more chance of being invited to go in a room with either Jess on her own or a threesum with both of us by engaging in conversation with both of us Guy’s following us around wanking don’t stand a chance with us Absolutely!! Some are so persistent too! Like a continued annoyance will result in a 'Oh go on then..' #PalmFace " Yea am sure some think like that lol | |||
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"We go to clubs and like to meet single guys there The guys stand more chance of being invited to go in a room with either Jess on her own or a threesum with both of us by engaging in conversation with both of us Guy’s following us around wanking don’t stand a chance with us No banter = no interest " That’s so true | |||
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"So annoying. It’s on of the things thats put me off taking girlfriends to swinging clubs. Not just being followed by men, but feeling hordes of eyes on you and constantly being approached by single men fuck hunting isn’t every woman or couples idea of fun. There should be some clubs with clear rules against this " I'm pretty sure they have some clear rules about it at Jaydees and from what I remember reading on one of the posters on the wall it says anyone caught bothering someone doing it will get kicked out, I still find the odd guy lurking around the private rooms asking to join as you go in with someone but they normally go away when you say no | |||
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"We like single guys.. Y's quite the exhibitionist, but we've experienced similar on nights when the less respectful men were in attendance.. It's very off putting to lift your head and some guy, you've not even spoke to is stroking it less than 2 feet from your face!! Have only done organised events or couple's only nights since.. This happened to me while Mr Fox had his head somewhere he couldn't see from, next time I'd speak up for myself! Oh Y's more than capable of telling anyone to fuck off .. It just spoiled the show for others observing, lol.. We've no issue with being watched at all, quite enjoy it. But there's limit's " Absolutely! I'm annoyed I didn't speak up as it was very unsettling | |||
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"I don't know anything about London clubs. My clubs of choice are all in the Midlands, but in 13+ years of visiting clubs I've only experienced this a handful of times. Maybe you have been unlucky......or maybe I'm not appealing enough to follow round while having a wank " We tend to go to clubs in midlands and it does seem the guys are more respectable although I'm still surprised they haven't had a wank over you x | |||
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"When I used to go to clubs as soon as I left to go the loo, or for a walk round, I was followed like the Pied Piper but not with rats just by what I used to call the Cock Conga. Thought it was something I had to put up with til a member of staff saw them and soon put a stop to it " Cock Conga lol That's a new one! I call it The Benny Hill Strut! Lol | |||
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"Our club experiences to date haven't been great. We haven't clicked with anyone at couples events, and Mrs K is put off events that allow single men because she doesn't like guys just following couples and wanking over them. What's the best club around London to avoid the wanking dead, and does it reduce their numbers or eliminate them? If you are interested in things beyond swingers clubs, Klub Verboten does not allow solo wankers. It’s a kinky queer rave with a playroom, as opposed to a swingers club, but you can have sex there (it doesn’t have to be BDSM sex although they have BDSM equipment). Solo people are allowed in the playroom but if anyone touches themselves while not being involved in a scene, they get removed. " | |||
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"Our club experiences to date haven't been great. We haven't clicked with anyone at couples events, and Mrs K is put off events that allow single men because she doesn't like guys just following couples and wanking over them. What's the best club around London to avoid the wanking dead, and does it reduce their numbers or eliminate them? " No clue about London, but Dangerous Curves nights at Liberty Elite and Curvaceous Creatures at Purple Mamba don't get them at all really....which is a big part of why I (a single guy myself) go to both. Neither tolerate disrespectful tossers (of any description!). It doesn't just apply to single guys though - we all get a bad rep. die to the dickheads, but there are couples and single females who also behave badly in clubs. To be fair there are plenty of places/nights where us single fellas are completely unwelcome - and those where we get sneered at, no matter whether we're good guys or not. | |||
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"Personally me and My Girl have found this is vastly reduced on couples nights. Still occasionally get a guy or two who's parted from the lady their with, but no gangs of guys. Also different clubs/nights/times seems to be better or worse (don't know the London scene so can't advise). As to how to avoid them not real advice apart from digression and sneaking off to a play room without them spotting you. It's a bit like a life zombie role play. However we have been in clubs where there is loads of single guys and few couples. In this scenario we've found they very quickly become aware of your no longer being around in the social area and flock off in hopeful search for you. Sometimes we'll run off, find a space and just have a private conversation. Sure another the guys find us, realise we're just having a mundane conversation and leave. Then once they walk away we fuck the shit out of each other. It's not that we mind being watched. What bothers us is them all just trying to help them selves to a piece of our actions or one or two of them trying to push their way in. Or something it's the distracting comments or cringy noises being made or the heckling. That's annoying and distracting. Most guys are great but it's just one or two who ruin things and prevent you from being ablebto enjoy the club care free." You're definitely going to the wrong places then - sounds awful! I'd avoid places like that, even as a single guy myself! | |||
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"Thanks everyone for the helpful answers. Our problem may be that we like some single men, but not the rest - and we don't know which ones they are until afterwards! My line is that if they can’t be bothered with me in the bar, I can’t be bothered in the playroom. I won’t engage with someone I don’t recognise now. That’s cut my drama back 90% or so. " Excellent approach! | |||
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"When I used to go to clubs as soon as I left to go the loo, or for a walk round, I was followed like the Pied Piper but not with rats just by what I used to call the Cock Conga. Thought it was something I had to put up with til a member of staff saw them and soon put a stop to it " I had this in chams. One guy id say was late 70's kept following me to the toilet and locker room. Became quite creepy. Jo | |||
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"I find this wanking dead thing really weird. Just had my first club night, as a single male, and went with two other couples who are friends. Although we mainly stayed as a group, and played, I also had a wander round, seeing what the score was, watching some people playing etc. At no point did I feel like getting him out and waving it around like some sexual predator. I watched smiled and moved on. I was amazed when I saw a young woman walk past and groups of guys turned, like zombies, and started to follow her, they didn’t have a clue where she was going, or what she was doing, but off they went, like they were under a spell. Are all clubs like this? No wonder us single guys have such a bad reputation " Couldn't have put it better myself! | |||
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"Would it be frowned upon to tell them to fuck off and leave you alone? This is what puts me off going to a club " Absolutely not!!!! Any ambiguity is often confused for consent so crack on! x | |||
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"I find this wanking dead thing really weird. Just had my first club night, as a single male, and went with two other couples who are friends. Although we mainly stayed as a group, and played, I also had a wander round, seeing what the score was, watching some people playing etc. At no point did I feel like getting him out and waving it around like some sexual predator. I watched smiled and moved on. I was amazed when I saw a young woman walk past and groups of guys turned, like zombies, and started to follow her, they didn’t have a clue where she was going, or what she was doing, but off they went, like they were under a spell. Are all clubs like this? No wonder us single guys have such a bad reputation " D has been a single guy within the lifestyle before and has the same opinion But as always the minority spoil it for all.. | |||
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"Would it be frowned upon to tell them to fuck off and leave you alone? This is what puts me off going to a club " I want to do this next time but Mr Fox would probably faint for fear of me offending someone | |||
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"When I used to go to clubs as soon as I left to go the loo, or for a walk round, I was followed like the Pied Piper but not with rats just by what I used to call the Cock Conga. Thought it was something I had to put up with til a member of staff saw them and soon put a stop to it I had this in chams. One guy id say was late 70's kept following me to the toilet and locker room. Became quite creepy. Jo" I'm a fainter and so for daytime events usually take a few snacks with me. I was sat in the locker room eating a sandwich one time. A bloke that had been following me for quite a while was stood in the door watching me eat. He asked me if I wanted to fuck, I said I'm eating a butty.... He said I can wait and was going to just stand there and watch me I presume Had to say no thanks | |||
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"To deal with wanking dead... One must deliver a striking blow to the head" It nearly came to that at a recent club visit....we had a persistent Zombie wanker removed | |||
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"When I used to go to clubs as soon as I left to go the loo, or for a walk round, I was followed like the Pied Piper but not with rats just by what I used to call the Cock Conga. Thought it was something I had to put up with til a member of staff saw them and soon put a stop to it I had this in chams. One guy id say was late 70's kept following me to the toilet and locker room. Became quite creepy. Jo I'm a fainter and so for daytime events usually take a few snacks with me. I was sat in the locker room eating a sandwich one time. A bloke that had been following me for quite a while was stood in the door watching me eat. He asked me if I wanted to fuck, I said I'm eating a butty.... He said I can wait and was going to just stand there and watch me I presume Had to say no thanks " Good lord what is wrong with people?? | |||
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"When I used to go to clubs as soon as I left to go the loo, or for a walk round, I was followed like the Pied Piper but not with rats just by what I used to call the Cock Conga. Thought it was something I had to put up with til a member of staff saw them and soon put a stop to it I had this in chams. One guy id say was late 70's kept following me to the toilet and locker room. Became quite creepy. Jo I'm a fainter and so for daytime events usually take a few snacks with me. I was sat in the locker room eating a sandwich one time. A bloke that had been following me for quite a while was stood in the door watching me eat. He asked me if I wanted to fuck, I said I'm eating a butty.... He said I can wait and was going to just stand there and watch me I presume Had to say no thanks Good lord what is wrong with people?? " I was thinking the same… absolutely vile | |||
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"" wanking dead " ????? creepy comments ..." It's creepy behaviour. | |||
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"" wanking dead " ????? creepy comments ... It's creepy behaviour." Agreed | |||
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"" wanking dead " ????? creepy comments ... It's creepy behaviour. Agreed " Yep | |||
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"Never been concerned about telling anyone to piss off if I'm receiving unwanted attention. " this 100% no one likes a rasied voice in a swingers club when and if i get followed by the hoards im loud in telling them to back off aka fuck off ...it works nicely | |||
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"Uurgh, the wanking dead are the enemy to everyone. I'm a single guy & I enjoy going to social events but I am naturally quite shy when it comes to starting conversations. Because of the way the WD behave, I either end up looking like one because I'm walking around trying to find a way to join in with a conversation or If I actively approach anyone, their first thought is probably "oh no, here comes another one". Anyone who proves they are not part of the zombie wankers should be allowed to carry a rubber X stamp to plonk on any offender's forehead. XXX and they go home " Brilliant | |||
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"Uurgh, the wanking dead are the enemy to everyone. I'm a single guy & I enjoy going to social events but I am naturally quite shy when it comes to starting conversations. Because of the way the WD behave, I either end up looking like one because I'm walking around trying to find a way to join in with a conversation or If I actively approach anyone, their first thought is probably "oh no, here comes another one". Anyone who proves they are not part of the zombie wankers should be allowed to carry a rubber X stamp to plonk on any offender's forehead. XXX and they go home " Loving your thought processes! I have no doubt all the good, considerate guys feel pretty much the same. The actions of those guys (sometimes the male half of a couple!) make me feel very aware of being a single guy who's potentially under scrutiny in any club. That being said it was a female crossing the line repeatedly last Friday at Libs, who I suspect will be getting a ban! | |||
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" If you are interested in things beyond swingers clubs, Klub Verboten does not allow solo wankers. It’s a kinky queer rave with a playroom, as opposed to a swingers club, but you can have sex there (it doesn’t have to be BDSM sex although they have BDSM equipment). Solo people are allowed in the playroom but if anyone touches themselves while not being involved in a scene, they get removed. " A kinky queer rave?! Where do I sign up? | |||
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"Let's not forget there's a flip side to this. Not all single guys are morons, with the good ones loathing the ones who misbehave just as much as everyone else, not forgetting it's not always just single fellas who are the badly behaved." When I was single I always thought the badly behaved guys made the good guys stand out like a beacon in a sea of darkness | |||
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" If you are interested in things beyond swingers clubs, Klub Verboten does not allow solo wankers. It’s a kinky queer rave with a playroom, as opposed to a swingers club, but you can have sex there (it doesn’t have to be BDSM sex although they have BDSM equipment). Solo people are allowed in the playroom but if anyone touches themselves while not being involved in a scene, they get removed. " I’ve heard very good things about Club Verboten. I’d love to get there one day. | |||
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"I'm thankful for this thread, it's confirmed that people won't consider it rude if I/we tell the wanking dead to back off!!" We are very forthright in our opinions we don't say "back off" the first word does end in ck and the first two letters are fu They are getting out of hand | |||
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"I'm thankful for this thread, it's confirmed that people won't consider it rude if I/we tell the wanking dead to back off!!" There's no loyalty amongst single guys - in an argument between you and a single guy they'll want to be on your side. It's like sharks - once one is injured the others all turn on him. Having said that, I agree that the way to reduce this is for clubs to treat guys with more respect, and exclude the ones that aren't up to standard. | |||
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"We've found hosted nights with a strict guestlist are the best nights to avoid this problem. We've met some lovely guys at events like Hot Wives Club and Dark Desires. We also went to Vanilla Alternative on Friday who only allow 10 single guys in and they must be members and apply in advance. Again we had a great night and met a lovely guy with no hassle whatsoever barring the odd stare which we don't mind anyway. It certainly depends on the club/event. Do your homework and go for it, you'll love it we did and still do. X" 100%! I was one of the ten on Friday. There's no better event and no better way of ensuring things go well for all. Proud to be a regular in that ten! | |||
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"Let's not forget there's a flip side to this. Not all single guys are morons, with the good ones loathing the ones who misbehave just as much as everyone else, not forgetting it's not always just single fellas who are the badly behaved. When I was single I always thought the badly behaved guys made the good guys stand out like a beacon in a sea of darkness " Thank you for that! x | |||
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"The club should do more and by this, I mean more private lockable rooms the guys are not a problem the lack of privacy is. " True....but when your wife is hassled when waiting for me to come out of the toilet no lockable door will sort that | |||
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"Personally me and My Girl have found this is vastly reduced on couples nights. Still occasionally get a guy or two who's parted from the lady their with, but no gangs of guys. Also different clubs/nights/times seems to be better or worse (don't know the London scene so can't advise). As to how to avoid them not real advice apart from digression and sneaking off to a play room without them spotting you. It's a bit like a life zombie role play. However we have been in clubs where there is loads of single guys and few couples. In this scenario we've found they very quickly become aware of your no longer being around in the social area and flock off in hopeful search for you. Sometimes we'll run off, find a space and just have a private conversation. Sure another the guys find us, realise we're just having a mundane conversation and leave. Then once they walk away we fuck the shit out of each other. It's not that we mind being watched. What bothers us is them all just trying to help them selves to a piece of our actions or one or two of them trying to push their way in. Or something it's the distracting comments or cringy noises being made or the heckling. That's annoying and distracting. Most guys are great but it's just one or two who ruin things and prevent you from being ablebto enjoy the club care free." Heckling is the worse. I was mid scene with two women when someone loudly started commenting and critiquing my performance. Handily, I was using a large flogger, so with a bit of back swing I was able to create some space! | |||
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