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"An art gallery." Not sure if it's still there but there was one close to Nilo, possibly Eurocentre? Maybe Eden can confirm. We always wonder how people get things home, if they buy on holiday. | |||
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"An art gallery." Lol. Maybe an opera house and museum? Apparently there's lots of vacant locales in the basement of the Cita. | |||
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"Even though we love GC/PDI What would make the above better? For us, more bars like peaches and cream/Route69, full enclosed with no nosey passers-by looking down there noses and judging. More daytime outdoor swinging venues with pools, hot tubs etc. (give Venus/Mirage a run for their money). More organised boat trips with visits to secluded swinger friendly beaches. Anything else anyone? xx"We think what would make PDI better is the ability to get around. This used to be facilitated by taxis, but the price of taxis has increased at a rate that far surpasses the increase in costs. A swinger friendly shuttle that operated between PDI swinging hotshots and also the airport would make life a lot easier and bring all the choices on has closer together. | |||
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Certainly taxis have greatly increased in price, whilst not returning to pre Covid numbers.
Taxi to Nilo from Cita, from memory, used to be around €4 and based on our most recent trip to Mercadona, most likely is now around €7, so conservatively €15 round trip with, or possibly without, a tip. Or a 30 minute walk from the likes of Catarina and more for the stagger back.
Seen the days when we used to jump in a taxi to get from Cita to La Sandia, to save the ladies walking in heels lol | |||
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"Everyone has their ideas but few remember that there's 365 days in the year and not just the 14 days of a typical holiday. Obviously some visit more than once a year but it still leaves a lot left, out of 365 days. Have oten wondered, if you totalled the capacities of all the Meeting Points, Clubs and Swinger Resorts, what the actual total would be? To fill every one, for every day, would be a colossal number and make the owner's very, very wealthy indeed. The reality is, it's seasonal but as debated on other threads, there may just be a levelling off of numbers, spread over more months. I remember one statistic quoted a few years back, that 80% of profit was made in roughly 2 months of the year. Quite shocking. I don't feel the answer is more venues, or more diversity in what's offered but more a long term, quality service, from the existing venues. The people will decide which succeed and which don't(or how much money you have in the bank, to run at a relative loss for so many months of the year)" More choice tends to encourage more competitiveness which can only be good for the consumer. This would also force those less popular venues to up their game or face reality and try another form of employment, we do try to support these venues when we are there but feel it’s a bit of a lost cause. More diversity is the most important aspect of the options we’ve mentioned, and they are more daytime activities rather than nighttime which shouldn’t impact on the existing night time clubs. The boat trips, having been on one when we were there in October and was great, but didn’t include a trip to a swinging beach, again something that shouldn’t have a massive impact on existing businesses. | |||
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"A lot of people stay in the outlying swinger resorts and sometimes finding a taxi is a mission. Walking from a venue is great, but when it's 35 degrees outside (as we had in October) then you don't have to walk far to be a sticky mess by the time you get to your venue. We would love to see a shuttle that stops at La Mirage and Venus and then stops at various swinging centres, repeating the this in a round trip. Firstly taking people in then later taking people home."  | |||
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"Everyone has their ideas but few remember that there's 365 days in the year and not just the 14 days of a typical holiday. Obviously some visit more than once a year but it still leaves a lot left, out of 365 days. Have oten wondered, if you totalled the capacities of all the Meeting Points, Clubs and Swinger Resorts, what the actual total would be? To fill every one, for every day, would be a colossal number and make the owner's very, very wealthy indeed. The reality is, it's seasonal but as debated on other threads, there may just be a levelling off of numbers, spread over more months. I remember one statistic quoted a few years back, that 80% of profit was made in roughly 2 months of the year. Quite shocking. I don't feel the answer is more venues, or more diversity in what's offered but more a long term, quality service, from the existing venues. The people will decide which succeed and which don't(or how much money you have in the bank, to run at a relative loss for so many months of the year) More choice tends to encourage more competitiveness which can only be good for the consumer. This would also force those less popular venues to up their game or face reality and try another form of employment, we do try to support these venues when we are there but feel it’s a bit of a lost cause. More diversity is the most important aspect of the options we’ve mentioned, and they are more daytime activities rather than nighttime which shouldn’t impact on the existing night time clubs. The boat trips, having been on one when we were there in October and was great, but didn’t include a trip to a swinging beach, again something that shouldn’t have a massive impact on existing businesses. "Daytime ventures are unlikely to succeed, people go to the beach, or lie by the pool, or drink socially at a Bar, that's the holiday part of everyone's trip. The Venus Star daytime events succeed due to it's existing scale, they weren't well supported when they were held at the original Venus Resort, which only had 12 bungalows. The Boat trips are sporadically supported, regular trips have been tried and to a greater extent proved unviable. There are no Swinger Beaches to drop into, the beaches are public and whereas kiosk 7 etc is popular with Swingers, naturist families frequent it. People need to be realistic about the numbers actually interested and the cost of setting up any new venture. What hasn't already been tried? | |||
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"Everyone has their ideas but few remember that there's 365 days in the year and not just the 14 days of a typical holiday. Obviously some visit more than once a year but it still leaves a lot left, out of 365 days. Have oten wondered, if you totalled the capacities of all the Meeting Points, Clubs and Swinger Resorts, what the actual total would be? To fill every one, for every day, would be a colossal number and make the owner's very, very wealthy indeed. The reality is, it's seasonal but as debated on other threads, there may just be a levelling off of numbers, spread over more months. I remember one statistic quoted a few years back, that 80% of profit was made in roughly 2 months of the year. Quite shocking. I don't feel the answer is more venues, or more diversity in what's offered but more a long term, quality service, from the existing venues. The people will decide which succeed and which don't(or how much money you have in the bank, to run at a relative loss for so many months of the year) More choice tends to encourage more competitiveness which can only be good for the consumer. This would also force those less popular venues to up their game or face reality and try another form of employment, we do try to support these venues when we are there but feel it’s a bit of a lost cause. More diversity is the most important aspect of the options we’ve mentioned, and they are more daytime activities rather than nighttime which shouldn’t impact on the existing night time clubs. The boat trips, having been on one when we were there in October and was great, but didn’t include a trip to a swinging beach, again something that shouldn’t have a massive impact on existing businesses. "What you are saying is absolutely true. Competition has been good for the consumer. Our customers are coming to us and telling us that entry fees to some venues have dropped and some been removed completely. Supply and demand certainly has had an impact. Needless to say the places which have had to drop their entry costs to get their customers back and make less money aren't particularly happy about this. Hence the vitriol on other threads. And you're right. We all need to up our game. Places like Peaches and Cream are class venues and simply providing a place to sit isn't good enough any more. We welcome the injection of class that PDI is experiencing. As for daytime venues you are also bang on. the popularity of the Venus foam party yesterday a testament to the demand for such thing particularly for people who want sex in the sun without sand
The recent introduction of swinger friendly boat trips is also something that could set PDI apart and was something we initially wanted to do, we had the contacts but not the time.
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"Everyone has their ideas but few remember that there's 365 days in the year and not just the 14 days of a typical holiday. Obviously some visit more than once a year but it still leaves a lot left, out of 365 days. Have oten wondered, if you totalled the capacities of all the Meeting Points, Clubs and Swinger Resorts, what the actual total would be? To fill every one, for every day, would be a colossal number and make the owner's very, very wealthy indeed. The reality is, it's seasonal but as debated on other threads, there may just be a levelling off of numbers, spread over more months. I remember one statistic quoted a few years back, that 80% of profit was made in roughly 2 months of the year. Quite shocking. I don't feel the answer is more venues, or more diversity in what's offered but more a long term, quality service, from the existing venues. The people will decide which succeed and which don't(or how much money you have in the bank, to run at a relative loss for so many months of the year) More choice tends to encourage more competitiveness which can only be good for the consumer. This would also force those less popular venues to up their game or face reality and try another form of employment, we do try to support these venues when we are there but feel it’s a bit of a lost cause. More diversity is the most important aspect of the options we’ve mentioned, and they are more daytime activities rather than nighttime which shouldn’t impact on the existing night time clubs. The boat trips, having been on one when we were there in October and was great, but didn’t include a trip to a swinging beach, again something that shouldn’t have a massive impact on existing businesses.
Daytime ventures are unlikely to succeed, people go to the beach, or lie by the pool, or drink socially at a Bar, that's the holiday part of everyone's trip.
The Venus Star daytime events succeed due to it's existing scale, they weren't well supported when they were held at the original Venus Resort, which only had 12 bungalows. The Boat trips are sporadically supported, regular trips have been tried and to a greater extent proved unviable. There are no Swinger Beaches to drop into, the beaches are public and whereas kiosk 7 etc is popular with Swingers, naturist families frequent it.
People need to be realistic about the numbers actually interested and the cost of setting up any new venture. What hasn't already been tried?"I disagree, I think daytime activities would prove very popular, having a daytime venue doesn’t mean all those that would go would swing, but they could sunbathe naked and be around like minded people, the beach is great also but a lot less interaction occurs than at a bar with naked sunbathing, in other words it would be Venus without having to stay there | |||
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"Everyone has their ideas but few remember that there's 365 days in the year and not just the 14 days of a typical holiday. Obviously some visit more than once a year but it still leaves a lot left, out of 365 days. Have oten wondered, if you totalled the capacities of all the Meeting Points, Clubs and Swinger Resorts, what the actual total would be? To fill every one, for every day, would be a colossal number and make the owner's very, very wealthy indeed. The reality is, it's seasonal but as debated on other threads, there may just be a levelling off of numbers, spread over more months. I remember one statistic quoted a few years back, that 80% of profit was made in roughly 2 months of the year. Quite shocking. I don't feel the answer is more venues, or more diversity in what's offered but more a long term, quality service, from the existing venues. The people will decide which succeed and which don't(or how much money you have in the bank, to run at a relative loss for so many months of the year) More choice tends to encourage more competitiveness which can only be good for the consumer. This would also force those less popular venues to up their game or face reality and try another form of employment, we do try to support these venues when we are there but feel it’s a bit of a lost cause. More diversity is the most important aspect of the options we’ve mentioned, and they are more daytime activities rather than nighttime which shouldn’t impact on the existing night time clubs. The boat trips, having been on one when we were there in October and was great, but didn’t include a trip to a swinging beach, again something that shouldn’t have a massive impact on existing businesses.
What you are saying is absolutely true.
Competition has been good for the consumer. Our customers are coming to us and telling us that entry fees to some venues have dropped and some been removed completely. Supply and demand certainly has had an impact. Needless to say the places which have had to drop their entry costs to get their customers back and make less money aren't particularly happy about this. Hence the vitriol on other threads.
And you're right. We all need to up our game. Places like Peaches and Cream are class venues and simply providing a place to sit isn't good enough any more. We welcome the injection of class that PDI is experiencing.
As for daytime venues you are also bang on. the popularity of the Venus foam party yesterday a testament to the demand for such thing particularly for people who want sex in the sun without sand
The recent introduction of swinger friendly boat trips is also something that could set PDI apart and was something we initially wanted to do, we had the contacts but not the time.
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"Everyone has their ideas but few remember that there's 365 days in the year and not just the 14 days of a typical holiday. Obviously some visit more than once a year but it still leaves a lot left, out of 365 days. Have oten wondered, if you totalled the capacities of all the Meeting Points, Clubs and Swinger Resorts, what the actual total would be? To fill every one, for every day, would be a colossal number and make the owner's very, very wealthy indeed. The reality is, it's seasonal but as debated on other threads, there may just be a levelling off of numbers, spread over more months. I remember one statistic quoted a few years back, that 80% of profit was made in roughly 2 months of the year. Quite shocking. I don't feel the answer is more venues, or more diversity in what's offered but more a long term, quality service, from the existing venues. The people will decide which succeed and which don't(or how much money you have in the bank, to run at a relative loss for so many months of the year) More choice tends to encourage more competitiveness which can only be good for the consumer. This would also force those less popular venues to up their game or face reality and try another form of employment, we do try to support these venues when we are there but feel it’s a bit of a lost cause. More diversity is the most important aspect of the options we’ve mentioned, and they are more daytime activities rather than nighttime which shouldn’t impact on the existing night time clubs. The boat trips, having been on one when we were there in October and was great, but didn’t include a trip to a swinging beach, again something that shouldn’t have a massive impact on existing businesses.
Daytime ventures are unlikely to succeed, people go to the beach, or lie by the pool, or drink socially at a Bar, that's the holiday part of everyone's trip.
The Venus Star daytime events succeed due to it's existing scale, they weren't well supported when they were held at the original Venus Resort, which only had 12 bungalows. The Boat trips are sporadically supported, regular trips have been tried and to a greater extent proved unviable. There are no Swinger Beaches to drop into, the beaches are public and whereas kiosk 7 etc is popular with Swingers, naturist families frequent it.
People need to be realistic about the numbers actually interested and the cost of setting up any new venture. What hasn't already been tried?
I disagree, I think daytime activities would prove very popular, having a daytime venue doesn’t mean all those that would go would swing, but they could sunbathe naked and be around like minded people, the beach is great also but a lot less interaction occurs than at a bar with naked sunbathing, in other words it would be Venus without having to stay there "Out of interest, how much do you think that would cost and what return would you expect over a 3 year starter period? See if it's worth investing in | |||
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"Everyone has their ideas but few remember that there's 365 days in the year and not just the 14 days of a typical holiday. Obviously some visit more than once a year but it still leaves a lot left, out of 365 days. Have oten wondered, if you totalled the capacities of all the Meeting Points, Clubs and Swinger Resorts, what the actual total would be? To fill every one, for every day, would be a colossal number and make the owner's very, very wealthy indeed. The reality is, it's seasonal but as debated on other threads, there may just be a levelling off of numbers, spread over more months. I remember one statistic quoted a few years back, that 80% of profit was made in roughly 2 months of the year. Quite shocking. I don't feel the answer is more venues, or more diversity in what's offered but more a long term, quality service, from the existing venues. The people will decide which succeed and which don't(or how much money you have in the bank, to run at a relative loss for so many months of the year) More choice tends to encourage more competitiveness which can only be good for the consumer. This would also force those less popular venues to up their game or face reality and try another form of employment, we do try to support these venues when we are there but feel it’s a bit of a lost cause. More diversity is the most important aspect of the options we’ve mentioned, and they are more daytime activities rather than nighttime which shouldn’t impact on the existing night time clubs. The boat trips, having been on one when we were there in October and was great, but didn’t include a trip to a swinging beach, again something that shouldn’t have a massive impact on existing businesses.
Daytime ventures are unlikely to succeed, people go to the beach, or lie by the pool, or drink socially at a Bar, that's the holiday part of everyone's trip.
The Venus Star daytime events succeed due to it's existing scale, they weren't well supported when they were held at the original Venus Resort, which only had 12 bungalows. The Boat trips are sporadically supported, regular trips have been tried and to a greater extent proved unviable. There are no Swinger Beaches to drop into, the beaches are public and whereas kiosk 7 etc is popular with Swingers, naturist families frequent it.
People need to be realistic about the numbers actually interested and the cost of setting up any new venture. What hasn't already been tried?
I disagree, I think daytime activities would prove very popular, having a daytime venue doesn’t mean all those that would go would swing, but they could sunbathe naked and be around like minded people, the beach is great also but a lot less interaction occurs than at a bar with naked sunbathing, in other words it would be Venus without having to stay there "We think it's a great idea and the number of people who queue up for the day passes at swinger resorts indicate that the market is there. The popularity of a recent bar crawl in PDI that was a phenomenal success (despite a heatwave that had the locals staying indoors) and also amazingly successful boat trip shows that the demand is there. | |||
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"Welcome to the Utopia Swingers Shuttle service, stopping at Venus Star, La Mirage and every hotel in PDI. Your driver today is Walter Mitty, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. Ever question, if it's such a money-spinner, why it's never been done? Most likely because business people don't tend to throw away money." Are you completely unable to enter into any debate without becoming bitchy about it? This "utopia" thing is unnecessary and uncalled for. The Spain section is by and large a friendly, happy section. Why do you insist on turning every positive conversation into a handbag swinging session? If you are bitter about PDI as you have expressed in your previous profiles and sworn to step away from the island, why are you on every thread belittling people's viewpoints? | |||
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"We already have a taxi driver who on some nights drops of one customer, then the next and in between waits outside knowing that we will be calling him soon. B He already is effectly a shuttle. On some nights he takes more than one customer at a time two two different locations, thus reducing their taxi fees." Have you any idea how much it would cost for a minibus to take 12 people from Cita to Nilo next Saturday night ? | |||
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"Don’t let one profile spoil things for you. Just ignore them, they’ll soon stop. People (like us) can see what they’re doing & they’re just trolls, disagreeing just for the sake of it."
Thanks guys. We're really aware that taxis costs have gone up dramatically and also aware that we often call a taxi for one destination and then 10 minutes later call another taxi for the same destination.
The shuttle we would love to see would stop at Venus once per hour, then La Mirage then head into town going past Route69 & Peaches and Cream, then Cita, then Sandia, then past Nilo on the return trip.
It would improve the ease of moving between clubs. Reduce costs. Improve safety. And you might get to meet people in other resorts. It could have a social aspect. There is nothing sinister or self serving in the suggestion. | |||
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"We already have a taxi driver who on some nights drops of one customer, then the next and in between waits outside knowing that we will be calling him soon. B He already is effectly a shuttle. On some nights he takes more than one customer at a time two two different locations, thus reducing their taxi fees. Have you any idea how much it would cost for a minibus to take 12 people from Cita to Nilo next Saturday night ? " We can certainly talk to our connections in the taxi industry and arrange something. All going together in a group could be rather fun  | |||
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"We used Pide taxi app last time we were here and never waited more than a few minutes." An excellent app, and the live update is great | |||
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"We already have a taxi driver who on some nights drops of one customer, then the next and in between waits outside knowing that we will be calling him soon. B He already is effectly a shuttle. On some nights he takes more than one customer at a time two two different locations, thus reducing their taxi fees. Have you any idea how much it would cost for a minibus to take 12 people from Cita to Nilo next Saturday night ? We can certainly talk to our connections in the taxi industry and arrange something. All going together in a group could be rather fun "It might never arrive though | |||
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"What would make PDI great is a lift up from the beach next to hard rock! " My knees second that | |||
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"We have not addressed our comments to anyone and have applied rational, logical thinking, to a thread that we posted on. It seems as if we are contradicted at every turn and more disturbingly have words attributed to us, that we never actually said. We are quite happy to debate all matters and consider all points, after all, that is what a forum is by definition. It is not to present a one sided argument, in ignorance of fact but to debate all opinion and arrive at a conclusion taking all opinions into consideration. People have seen the comments, noted them and are well aware of the motivation behind them. If people who have blocked us, persistently use the forum to direct comments at us, then we, not having blocked them, feel we have the right to reply and certainly not be excluded from the lively debate. Tea time....carry on "Why don't you read up. We didn't contradict you. We suggested the shuttle system. You contradicted us. Do think people are so stupid they can't see for themselves. Utopia is an imaginary world where things are unrealistically perfect. How condescending can you get? We are a business with feet on the grounding PDI, discussing on daily basis issues of visits actually on the island in our club. Our views reflect theirs. To be addressed with such distain by a person over a thousand miles away who gets his information second hand, like we are stupid children is a joke. Just not funny. Irritating. Why not have some respect for yourself and for other people on this forum who are trying to have a meaningful, constructive conversation and let that happen? | |||
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"Even though we love GC/PDI What would make the above better? For us, more bars like peaches and cream/Route69, full enclosed with no nosey passers-by looking down there noses and judging. More daytime outdoor swinging venues with pools, hot tubs etc. (give Venus/Mirage a run for their money). More organised boat trips with visits to secluded swinger friendly beaches. Anything else anyone? xx"Just going back to the original post. We love the new places, the more the merrier. It keeps everyone on their toes and fuels improvement. The refurbishment of Secret a few years ago totally transformed the place into a great venue. We haven't been in Fun4all I'm recent visits as we felt it had become stale but we read it's had a refurb so we'll definitely give it a try. Eden is an ongoing improvement process and although we felt it was pretty much completed in march with the new lockers and most rooms been refurbished we hear it's been improved even further. Temptation is an incredible club and we've tried a a few times and it's been quiet but we don't worry, let the owner worry we just move on. Before, Route69, Peaches and Cream, red hot Rennie's, Mario's... It's visiting places like these that keep the experience fresh and that's why we keep returning. To be honest if it was only Comeback, Fun4All, secret and 2x2 we would have had some great times but wouldn't be so excited about returning and that's no bad reflection on any if these places, I'm sure the competition has improved all of them. Sorry I've missed a few but we have tried the majority and although on certain nights we've decided some places are not for us we never write anywhere off. Isn't it fantastic to be able to go into one bar and then roam round a few others until you find somewhere and someone to settle with on that particular night ? We will let the owners worry about their profits. | |||
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"We used Pide taxi app last time we were here and never waited more than a few minutes." Has worked well for us in the past, although it used to show nearby taxis before you made a booking, so could just walk around the corner, if you knew one was there. | |||
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"Even though we love GC/PDI What would make the above better? For us, more bars like peaches and cream/Route69, full enclosed with no nosey passers-by looking down there noses and judging. More daytime outdoor swinging venues with pools, hot tubs etc. (give Venus/Mirage a run for their money). More organised boat trips with visits to secluded swinger friendly beaches. Anything else anyone? xx
Just going back to the original post.
We love the new places, the more the merrier.
It keeps everyone on their toes and fuels improvement.
The refurbishment of Secret a few years ago totally transformed the place into a great venue.
We haven't been in Fun4all I'm recent visits as we felt it had become stale but we read it's had a refurb so we'll definitely give it a try.
Eden is an ongoing improvement process and although we felt it was pretty much completed in march with the new lockers and most rooms been refurbished we hear it's been improved even further.
Temptation is an incredible club and we've tried a a few times and it's been quiet but we don't worry, let the owner worry we just move on.
Before, Route69, Peaches and Cream, red hot Rennie's, Mario's... It's visiting places like these that keep the experience fresh and that's why we keep returning.
To be honest if it was only Comeback, Fun4All, secret and 2x2 we would have had some great times but wouldn't be so excited about returning and that's no bad reflection on any if these places, I'm sure the competition has improved all of them.
Sorry I've missed a few but we have tried the majority and although on certain nights we've decided some places are not for us we never write anywhere off.
Isn't it fantastic to be able to go into one bar and then roam round a few others until you find somewhere and someone to settle with on that particular night ?
We will let the owners worry about their profits. "Temptation has just had a new Club Reviews saying how nice it is. It just needs people. This is true of so many places. We loved Temptation when we went and had a great night there. This why we suggedt people go everywhere. Every now and again we get posts on here from new people asking for advice on where to go and of course the natural response is for people to recommend their on local haunt where they have a good time. That's great. When people say it's "the only bar" or the "only club" then that is steering and reflects a certain amount of insecurity in our opinion. We belive there is no club/bar in the swinging scene so bad you shouldn't go and no club/bar so good that you shouldn't go anywhere else. And yes. People who came to us on Tuesday remarked on the changes done by Thursday. Thanks to other clubs for keeping us on our toes. Competition is good. | |||
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"I would add it's sad when a place closes down, nobody wants that. We were gutted when Imagine closed as our goto bar before COVID but delighted that we had so many great nights with Tonny and Saskia in Studio69, we loved starting the night with a meal and drinks with them in Yumbo (and ending occasionally lol) and then on to Cita or Nilo and really miss that typical nightly trek. I'm sure they'll be back . "Imagine" that !" It is back. Red Hot Reenies. Brilliant vibe with two energetic and fun hosts who get the party started and keep it going. Lovely to have Before Bar and RHR in the same center. | |||
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"I would add it's sad when a place closes down, nobody wants that. We were gutted when Imagine closed as our goto bar before COVID but delighted that we had so many great nights with Tonny and Saskia in Studio69, we loved starting the night with a meal and drinks with them in Yumbo (and ending occasionally lol) and then on to Cita or Nilo and really miss that typical nightly trek. I'm sure they'll be back . "Imagine" that ! It is back. Red Hot Reenies. Brilliant vibe with two energetic and fun hosts who get the party started and keep it going. Lovely to have Before Bar and RHR in the same center. " We're only there for a week this time lol | |||
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"I think daytime activities would prove very popular, having a daytime venue doesn’t mean all those that would go would swing, but they could sunbathe naked and be around like minded people, the beach is great also but a lot less interaction occurs than at a bar with naked sunbathing, in other words it would be Venus without having to stay there " You don't have to stay at Venus - you can just visit for the day. But you do have to be a couple. | |||
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"I think daytime activities would prove very popular, having a daytime venue doesn’t mean all those that would go would swing, but they could sunbathe naked and be around like minded people, the beach is great also but a lot less interaction occurs than at a bar with naked sunbathing, in other words it would be Venus without having to stay there You don't have to stay at Venus - you can just visit for the day. But you do have to be a couple." | |||
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"We'll have a look when we're there next week. x " You know what, we've been meaning to try it for years and just keep forgetting. Defo this time Better cancel the return flight. | |||
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"We'll have a look when we're there next week. x You know what, we've been meaning to try it for years and just keep forgetting. Defo this time Better cancel the return flight." Now you're talking. Fly back on the 38th | |||
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"Welcome to the Utopia Swingers Shuttle service, stopping at Venus Star, La Mirage and every hotel in PDI. Your driver today is Walter Mitty, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. Ever question, if it's such a money-spinner, why it's never been done? Most likely because business people don't tend to throw away money. Are you completely unable to enter into any debate without becoming bitchy about it? This "utopia" thing is unnecessary and uncalled for. The Spain section is by and large a friendly, happy section. Why do you insist on turning every positive conversation into a handbag swinging session? If you are bitter about PDI as you have expressed in your previous profiles and sworn to step away from the island, why are you on every thread belittling people's viewpoints?" | |||
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"Day resorts once a week in Alicante work and are packed! Not all businesses operate everyday of the week all year round. " Yes exactly, outside of PDI it seems rare for clubs to be open more than a few nights a week. I suspect more than a few are run by swingers as a hobby rather than a business. | |||
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"We'll have a look when we're there next week. x You know what, we've been meaning to try it for years and just keep forgetting. Defo this time Better cancel the return flight." We've been to Klamotte a few times. Lovely friendly owners. Can sometimes be a bit quiet but great if there is a gang of you. We'll have to arrange a group meet there. Wonder if Ryanair will let us share our seats back with you in December  | |||
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"We'll have a look when we're there next week. x You know what, we've been meaning to try it for years and just keep forgetting. Defo this time Better cancel the return flight. We've been to Klamotte a few times. Lovely friendly owners. Can sometimes be a bit quiet but great if there is a gang of you. We'll have to arrange a group meet there. Wonder if Ryanair will let us share our seats back with you in December "What time does it open ? Maybe we can meet there and wait for the taxi | |||
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"Perhaps we can get the road train to pick us up from there. Oops wrong forum. "We could email them and ask, wouldn't that be fun !! | |||
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"We'll have a look when we're there next week. x You know what, we've been meaning to try it for years and just keep forgetting. Defo this time Better cancel the return flight. We've been to Klamotte a few times. Lovely friendly owners. Can sometimes be a bit quiet but great if there is a gang of you. We'll have to arrange a group meet there. Wonder if Ryanair will let us share our seats back with you in December "Well we didn't manage to try Klamotte, join us in December and we'll give it a go Come on ... Get it booked | |||
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"We didn't make it there either, but at least we found out where it is. We're going back in December. we might get to see you again x" We're all addicts lol 12th - 19th for us hopefully see you there | |||
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