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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Wondering how is life in Spain for swinging couples or people into lifestyle in general? Thinking to move there by the end of the year x

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By *unInTheSun80sCouple
over a year ago

Costa Del Sol

What area you looking at?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

We think Almeria region x

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

It would really depend on which part of Spain you are considering and if you are thinking of living there full or part time.

Almeria is fine in the summer months and for this lifestyle Vera Playa with its large nudist beach and urbanisations offers some good opportunities.

However in the winter it really is a ghost town. The last time we drove down in the winter we counted more cats than people. There is a bit more going on in Mojacar but swinging will still be thin in the winter. There is only one swinger club in the area and (to the best of our knowledge) only opens summer weekends. Says it all really.

Costa Blanca and Costa del Sol are more year round and have a much bigger club scene.

Our knowledge of Costa del Sol is a bit limited, but I'm sure others will fill in the details for you.

Our area (Costa Blanca) has something going on pretty much all year, although the winter can be a bit thin at times.

Alicante city has 4 clubs and there is also Besos at Guardamar and El Sofa/The Swing in Benidorm.

Also there are quite a good number of expats and regular visitors (of many nationalities) who enjoy the lifestyle.

Putting swinging to one side for a moment. We would recommend that you visit a few different areas, and at different times of year, before you take the plunge. Also when you do finally make the move RENT BEFORE YOU BUY. It is much easier to get out of a rental contract than to sell up if you realise you have made a mistake.

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds

Hate to be a party pooper but just a reminder that unless one of you has an EU passport moving to Spain to live (rather than just having a holiday home) is now very much more difficult than it was before Brexit.

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By *onglegs888Couple
over a year ago

Birmingham

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain

The current visa requirements (post Brexit) are quite restrictive at present. We are looking at retiring out there in approx 5 yrs time so hoping/assuming over time the requirements will relax.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain

The current visa requirements (post Brexit) are quite restrictive at present. We are looking at retiring out there in approx 5 yrs time so hoping/assuming over time the requirements will relax. "

Oh really never heard about it can you give us some details please guys x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hate to be a party pooper but just a reminder that unless one of you has an EU passport moving to Spain to live (rather than just having a holiday home) is now very much more difficult than it was before Brexit. "

Yes we both have EU passports as well so looks like not gonna be a big problem. What you mean if you are non EU passport holder what kind of difficulties we may have?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It would really depend on which part of Spain you are considering and if you are thinking of living there full or part time.

Almeria is fine in the summer months and for this lifestyle Vera Playa with its large nudist beach and urbanisations offers some good opportunities.

However in the winter it really is a ghost town. The last time we drove down in the winter we counted more cats than people. There is a bit more going on in Mojacar but swinging will still be thin in the winter. There is only one swinger club in the area and (to the best of our knowledge) only opens summer weekends. Says it all really.

Costa Blanca and Costa del Sol are more year round and have a much bigger club scene.

Our knowledge of Costa del Sol is a bit limited, but I'm sure others will fill in the details for you.

Our area (Costa Blanca) has something going on pretty much all year, although the winter can be a bit thin at times.

Alicante city has 4 clubs and there is also Besos at Guardamar and El Sofa/The Swing in Benidorm.

Also there are quite a good number of expats and regular visitors (of many nationalities) who enjoy the lifestyle.

Putting swinging to one side for a moment. We would recommend that you visit a few different areas, and at different times of year, before you take the plunge. Also when you do finally make the move RENT BEFORE YOU BUY. It is much easier to get out of a rental contract than to sell up if you realise you have made a mistake.

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Yes we heard Almeria is very quite during the winter as most part of Spain we think. We will consider all South or South East parts. Swinging is not gonna be a main thing for us to move to Spain.

Still will be visiting UK on a monthly basis for sometime after buying a property in Spain.

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds


"Hate to be a party pooper but just a reminder that unless one of you has an EU passport moving to Spain to live (rather than just having a holiday home) is now very much more difficult than it was before Brexit.

Yes we both have EU passports as well so looks like not gonna be a big problem. What you mean if you are non EU passport holder what kind of difficulties we may have?"

If you are both non-EU passport holders you are treated as 'third country residents' with no rights to live or work in Spain. It is possible to obtain "non lucrative visas" if you are not working anywhere in the world providing that you can prove you have sufficient savings/income to meet requirements (2.4k€ per month with additional 600€ per month for other family members) or, if you have even more money (eg 500k€ property, company investment etc) a golden visa.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hate to be a party pooper but just a reminder that unless one of you has an EU passport moving to Spain to live (rather than just having a holiday home) is now very much more difficult than it was before Brexit.

Yes we both have EU passports as well so looks like not gonna be a big problem. What you mean if you are non EU passport holder what kind of difficulties we may have?

If you are both non-EU passport holders you are treated as 'third country residents' with no rights to live or work in Spain. It is possible to obtain "non lucrative visas" if you are not working anywhere in the world providing that you can prove you have sufficient savings/income to meet requirements (2.4k€ per month with additional 600€ per month for other family members) or, if you have even more money (eg 500k€ property, company investment etc) a golden visa."

Thank you. So with EU passports all the rights as it used to be before???

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds


"Hate to be a party pooper but just a reminder that unless one of you has an EU passport moving to Spain to live (rather than just having a holiday home) is now very much more difficult than it was before Brexit.

Yes we both have EU passports as well so looks like not gonna be a big problem. What you mean if you are non EU passport holder what kind of difficulties we may have?

If you are both non-EU passport holders you are treated as 'third country residents' with no rights to live or work in Spain. It is possible to obtain "non lucrative visas" if you are not working anywhere in the world providing that you can prove you have sufficient savings/income to meet requirements (2.4k€ per month with additional 600€ per month for other family members) or, if you have even more money (eg 500k€ property, company investment etc) a golden visa.

Thank you. So with EU passports all the rights as it used to be before???"

Yes - providing your passports are from a current full member state of the EU (ie definitely not the old red UK ones that say EU on the cover!). With EU passports you can spend 180 days in Spain without transferring your taxes. If you spend more than 180 days you have to declare all your income, property, savings etc to the Spanish authorities and transfer all your tax to Spain.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hate to be a party pooper but just a reminder that unless one of you has an EU passport moving to Spain to live (rather than just having a holiday home) is now very much more difficult than it was before Brexit.

Yes we both have EU passports as well so looks like not gonna be a big problem. What you mean if you are non EU passport holder what kind of difficulties we may have?

If you are both non-EU passport holders you are treated as 'third country residents' with no rights to live or work in Spain. It is possible to obtain "non lucrative visas" if you are not working anywhere in the world providing that you can prove you have sufficient savings/income to meet requirements (2.4k€ per month with additional 600€ per month for other family members) or, if you have even more money (eg 500k€ property, company investment etc) a golden visa.

Thank you. So with EU passports all the rights as it used to be before???

Yes - providing your passports are from a current full member state of the EU (ie definitely not the old red UK ones that say EU on the cover!). With EU passports you can spend 180 days in Spain without transferring your taxes. If you spend more than 180 days you have to declare all your income, property, savings etc to the Spanish authorities and transfer all your tax to Spain."

Thank you for your help. We heard you have to pay some kind of government fee if you are don't want to take a residency is it true?

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds


"Hate to be a party pooper but just a reminder that unless one of you has an EU passport moving to Spain to live (rather than just having a holiday home) is now very much more difficult than it was before Brexit.

Yes we both have EU passports as well so looks like not gonna be a big problem. What you mean if you are non EU passport holder what kind of difficulties we may have?

If you are both non-EU passport holders you are treated as 'third country residents' with no rights to live or work in Spain. It is possible to obtain "non lucrative visas" if you are not working anywhere in the world providing that you can prove you have sufficient savings/income to meet requirements (2.4k€ per month with additional 600€ per month for other family members) or, if you have even more money (eg 500k€ property, company investment etc) a golden visa.

Thank you. So with EU passports all the rights as it used to be before???

Yes - providing your passports are from a current full member state of the EU (ie definitely not the old red UK ones that say EU on the cover!). With EU passports you can spend 180 days in Spain without transferring your taxes. If you spend more than 180 days you have to declare all your income, property, savings etc to the Spanish authorities and transfer all your tax to Spain.

Thank you for your help. We heard you have to pay some kind of government fee if you are don't want to take a residency is it true?"

If you are there for 180 days or less but have property you have to pay a so called 'non residents tax' based upon the cadestral value of that property (usually about 300-500€ per year.) If you're there more than 180 days you will be paying all your taxes and will be expected to be residents, change your driving licence etc. Exchanging a British licence is still under discussion and at present is not a possibility - you will have to take driving lessons and a Spanish test - expensive and difficult.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hate to be a party pooper but just a reminder that unless one of you has an EU passport moving to Spain to live (rather than just having a holiday home) is now very much more difficult than it was before Brexit.

Yes we both have EU passports as well so looks like not gonna be a big problem. What you mean if you are non EU passport holder what kind of difficulties we may have?

If you are both non-EU passport holders you are treated as 'third country residents' with no rights to live or work in Spain. It is possible to obtain "non lucrative visas" if you are not working anywhere in the world providing that you can prove you have sufficient savings/income to meet requirements (2.4k€ per month with additional 600€ per month for other family members) or, if you have even more money (eg 500k€ property, company investment etc) a golden visa.

Thank you. So with EU passports all the rights as it used to be before???

Yes - providing your passports are from a current full member state of the EU (ie definitely not the old red UK ones that say EU on the cover!). With EU passports you can spend 180 days in Spain without transferring your taxes. If you spend more than 180 days you have to declare all your income, property, savings etc to the Spanish authorities and transfer all your tax to Spain.

Thank you for your help. We heard you have to pay some kind of government fee if you are don't want to take a residency is it true?

If you are there for 180 days or less but have property you have to pay a so called 'non residents tax' based upon the cadestral value of that property (usually about 300-500€ per year.) If you're there more than 180 days you will be paying all your taxes and will be expected to be residents, change your driving licence etc. Exchanging a British licence is still under discussion and at present is not a possibility - you will have to take driving lessons and a Spanish test - expensive and difficult."

Thank you. Are you in UK or in Spain may we ask? Also so called Spanish stump duty buying a property is it 10 or 14% of the value?

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds


"Hate to be a party pooper but just a reminder that unless one of you has an EU passport moving to Spain to live (rather than just having a holiday home) is now very much more difficult than it was before Brexit.

Yes we both have EU passports as well so looks like not gonna be a big problem. What you mean if you are non EU passport holder what kind of difficulties we may have?

If you are both non-EU passport holders you are treated as 'third country residents' with no rights to live or work in Spain. It is possible to obtain "non lucrative visas" if you are not working anywhere in the world providing that you can prove you have sufficient savings/income to meet requirements (2.4k€ per month with additional 600€ per month for other family members) or, if you have even more money (eg 500k€ property, company investment etc) a golden visa.

Thank you. So with EU passports all the rights as it used to be before???

Yes - providing your passports are from a current full member state of the EU (ie definitely not the old red UK ones that say EU on the cover!). With EU passports you can spend 180 days in Spain without transferring your taxes. If you spend more than 180 days you have to declare all your income, property, savings etc to the Spanish authorities and transfer all your tax to Spain.

Thank you for your help. We heard you have to pay some kind of government fee if you are don't want to take a residency is it true?

If you are there for 180 days or less but have property you have to pay a so called 'non residents tax' based upon the cadestral value of that property (usually about 300-500€ per year.) If you're there more than 180 days you will be paying all your taxes and will be expected to be residents, change your driving licence etc. Exchanging a British licence is still under discussion and at present is not a possibility - you will have to take driving lessons and a Spanish test - expensive and difficult.

Thank you. Are you in UK or in Spain may we ask? Also so called Spanish stump duty buying a property is it 10 or 14% of the value?"

Depends on the area and price of the property - usually 8-10% we think. We're in the Canaries, but Spanish rules apply.

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By *ickeyandmouseCouple
over a year ago

nr Alicante

In Alicante area the tax on buying a property is 10%

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By *onglegs888Couple
over a year ago

Birmingham


"https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain

The current visa requirements (post Brexit) are quite restrictive at present. We are looking at retiring out there in approx 5 yrs time so hoping/assuming over time the requirements will relax.

Oh really never heard about it can you give us some details please guys x"

Another couple has already given some info. In short…. Post Brexit we (the UK) are no longer a Schengen country. Being on the Schengen list allowed free movement between all Schengen countries, so pre Brexit you could move to Spain and live there freely with no visa requirements. A consequence of leaving the European Union was no longer being on the Schengen list…. So if you want to live in Spain full time you will need to meet their visa requirements. I’m assuming you have a British passport so you will heed to have a visa to resume there full time.

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By *onglegs888Couple
over a year ago

Birmingham

Would also add when you say you have an EU passport check you actually have wgst you think you have. If you are a British national with a British passport (dont matter what color it is or whdn you got it) then you don’t have an ‘EU passport’

Only a current Schengen country has an ‘EU passport’…. And we ain’t one of those anymore.

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds


"Would also add when you say you have an EU passport check you actually have wgst you think you have. If you are a British national with a British passport (dont matter what color it is or whdn you got it) then you don’t have an ‘EU passport’

Only a current Schengen country has an ‘EU passport’…. And we ain’t one of those anymore. "

Minor correction: Britain (along with Ireland and Cyprus) has never been in Schengen, and not all EU countries apply all Schengen rules. The problem is now that Britain is a "third country" and subject to the rules that Britain helped establish for third countries before Brexit. Shooting ourselves in the foot comes to mind!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Would also add when you say you have an EU passport check you actually have wgst you think you have. If you are a British national with a British passport (dont matter what color it is or whdn you got it) then you don’t have an ‘EU passport’

Only a current Schengen country has an ‘EU passport’…. And we ain’t one of those anymore.

Minor correction: Britain (along with Ireland and Cyprus) has never been in Schengen, and not all EU countries apply all Schengen rules. The problem is now that Britain is a "third country" and subject to the rules that Britain helped establish for third countries before Brexit. Shooting ourselves in the foot comes to mind!"

Correct! We knew always before we came here UK never been in so called Schengen

area that's why for many immigrants to come to UK was much more difficult than to the rest of Europe and in than case UK always used to be a special country within EU with some own border rules.

Also what its means not a proper EU passport lol?)

If we have an EU passport it's an EU passport after all! Even if we have British ones as well xxx

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By *ndul-GentMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

Brexit means Brexit… spot on reply, i was biting my tongue…

Guess blindly following populists has it’s consequences, thanks Boris and Farage, I bet all those millions didn’t go to NHS after all.

Don’t get me started

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Brexit means Brexit… spot on reply, i was biting my tongue…

Guess blindly following populists has it’s consequences, thanks Boris and Farage, I bet all those millions didn’t go to NHS after all.

Don’t get me started"

100% nothing went to NHS for sure, but we think the money is spend on NHS is madness after all x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Irish passport folks ??

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Irish passport folks ??"

No lol Lithuanians x

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By *unInTheSun80sCouple
over a year ago

Costa Del Sol

Sooo going to take the original question as a lifestyle question.. I bloody love a good political argument but that was not what was asked!

Ok we live 365 on the Costa del sol sooo here is a bit of an outlook from our perspective as a couple either side of 40.

Winter is quiet on the coast.. summer ends up being quiet as well due to family holidays. The time in between winter and peak summer it’s probably the best time.

There is a cluster of clubs between Benalmádena and Torremolinos all have their pros and cons. There is also a club called Wicked close to Marbella.

Costa del Sol has 5 nudist beaches scattered between Gibraltar and Malaga.

Our favourite is Playa Marina Nudist beach at El faro in Mijas Costa as it provides a bit of segregation from other beaches and has its own Chiringuito (beach bar) that has events/parties between Easter and November each year (rest of the year the bar is shut)

Happy to answer any further questions about lifestyle on the Costa del sol.

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By *slandloverMan
over a year ago

Playa del Ingles, Gran Canaria


"Wondering how is life in Spain for swinging couples or people into lifestyle in general? Thinking to move there by the end of the year x"

Lime you can know, Gran Canaria is one of the most popular swinger destination for a naughty hollidays in Europe. For this reason you can enjoy a lot of offers and possibilities for you. Most of local people visits clubs on weekends or meetings in private parties and houses.

The island is small, but it is not a problem for finding swinger mates (local and visitors).

When you are a few years in the lifestyle, you have the chance of meeting with frequent visitors, usually they come here almost once per year. Meeting again with this friends and talking is always a nice time, of course.

There are some swinger clubs in the south of the island (I recommend you this guide in the forum); you can’t find a Mega Club, but if you were resident you can fly to Madrid or Barcelona for 40/50€ per person and flight.

If you needed more info, don’t doubt to ask. Good luck!

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By *ane61Man
over a year ago

Roskilde

I live in the northern part of Costa Blanca near Benidorm. It's a tourist area, and It makes som changes to the swingers scene, at least to where I come from. It is not as stressfull. There is no job tomorrow, no Kids tomorrow, and no neighbors tomorrow. All there is tomorrow is maybe more sex. On the other hand most couples are here for a short period, so they have to get something going if they want some naughty action before they go back again. Hope it makes sence to you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"In Alicante area the tax on buying a property is 10% "

Thank you x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Sooo going to take the original question as a lifestyle question.. I bloody love a good political argument but that was not what was asked!

Ok we live 365 on the Costa del sol sooo here is a bit of an outlook from our perspective as a couple either side of 40.

Winter is quiet on the coast.. summer ends up being quiet as well due to family holidays. The time in between winter and peak summer it’s probably the best time.

There is a cluster of clubs between Benalmádena and Torremolinos all have their pros and cons. There is also a club called Wicked close to Marbella.

Costa del Sol has 5 nudist beaches scattered between Gibraltar and Malaga.

Our favourite is Playa Marina Nudist beach at El faro in Mijas Costa as it provides a bit of segregation from other beaches and has its own Chiringuito (beach bar) that has events/parties between Easter and November each year (rest of the year the bar is shut)

Happy to answer any further questions about lifestyle on the Costa del sol.

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Thank you very much guys x

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Just to follow on from our previous post.

Local infrastructure is very important and in some areas it is seriously lacking.

We've known many people get carried away with the notion of "real Spain" (whatever that is) and buy a nice house for cheap money (they are cheap for a reason) in the middle of nowhere or in/next to a small village.

All sounds very nice until you are nearly an hour down a mountain road from the nearest hospital with chest pains. Something that happened to someone we knew a few years ago. He died!

Another thing to consider, especially if you intend to be a bit backwards and forwards, is the nearest airport and how many flights it gets in the winter.

Barcelona, Valencia, Alicante, and Malaga are pretty much year round airports. Murcia and Almeria (among others) get very few flights in the winter, and even in the summer some destinations are limited.

Spain isn't just sun, sand, sex and sangria, there are lots of things to consider.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Just to follow on from our previous post.

Local infrastructure is very important and in some areas it is seriously lacking.

We've known many people get carried away with the notion of "real Spain" (whatever that is) and buy a nice house for cheap money (they are cheap for a reason) in the middle of nowhere or in/next to a small village.

All sounds very nice until you are nearly an hour down a mountain road from the nearest hospital with chest pains. Something that happened to someone we knew a few years ago. He died!

Another thing to consider, especially if you intend to be a bit backwards and forwards, is the nearest airport and how many flights it gets in the winter.

Barcelona, Valencia, Alicante, and Malaga are pretty much year round airports. Murcia and Almeria (among others) get very few flights in the winter, and even in the summer some destinations are limited.

Spain isn't just sun, sand, sex and sangria, there are lots of things to consider. "

Yes for sure we fully aware of that and don't wanna buy a villa in the middle of nowhere as many people like. Better to have a much smaller place but have a proper all year round life xxxx

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