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By *ast Rollo OP   Man
over a year ago

glasgow west

this might become law in the near future "selling and buying sex".

what they are trying to do in criminalise buying sex and decimalising the selling of sex.

now before folks get on their high horse and shoot others down . i will say that having sex for sale is different than selling sex as any one can advertise an item for sale but not sell it but with out a buyer there is no market for the seller, and with no market then the seller goes out of business.

so are the folk that make the laws forcing people that want to sell sex out of business by the back door.

I am not talking about the slave sex trade as that is a nest of worms and should be banned but folk that want to sell sex.

let the rants begin

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By *exicolaMan
over a year ago

West Lothian

Sounds like a good move to me.

It really is about the sex slave trade though. Anyone who supports this by paying to get their end away by sexually abusing vulnerable people deserves whatever come their way.

It'll never go away unfortunately but it's a help. Those who willingly sell sex and pay for it will find a way round it with ease I'm sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is, you will get many who are well adjusted sex workers and then you get the dark side, I don’t think I need to spell that out. It hasn’t and won’t ever change, however we can make it better

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

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By *ittle_missknowitallWoman
over a year ago

glasgow


"this might become law in the near future "selling and buying sex".

what they are trying to do in criminalise buying sex and decimalising the selling of sex.

now before folks get on their high horse and shoot others down . i will say that having sex for sale is different than selling sex as any one can advertise an item for sale but not sell it but with out a buyer there is no market for the seller, and with no market then the seller goes out of business.

so are the folk that make the laws forcing people that want to sell sex out of business by the back door.

I am not talking about the slave sex trade as that is a nest of worms and should be banned but folk that want to sell sex.

let the rants begin"

I totally understand the point you are trying to make here

At the moment one person selling themselves and one person buying that person is legal

What is trying to come into force is the one buying will be breaking the law - so a LOT of people who chose to frequent ladies of the night or wherever pc name they go by now will be breaking the law and will think twice or more before doing it and as such the whole profession of prostitution will vanish as we know it now

Indeed like a lot of things by criminalising it it will make it go EVEN more underground

Now what should be made illegal is smoking cos that kills and not just the smoker but that won’t be made illegal as the government get tax from it

Perhaps they are actually simply missing a trick (no pun intended) with prostitution

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure that there's many that really want to sell sex...more it's an act of desperation.

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By *dlilbumCouple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow


"I'm not sure that there's many that really want to sell sex...more it's an act of desperation.

"

How many sex workers did you speak to before you settled on that opinion?

D

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By *ighland gentlemanMan
over a year ago

Ardgay

I seem to recall debates and the setting up of tolerance zones in Leith and Aberdeen.

Don't think Leith lasted long as too near residential areas and too many objections.

But think Aberdeens was more successful in dealing with some of the issues.

Offering support, preventing underage girls etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not sure that there's many that really want to sell sex...more it's an act of desperation.

How many sex workers did you speak to before you settled on that opinion?

D"

I'd wager the majority of them aren't living some kinda belle de jour life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s said to be the oldest profession in the world so why continue to try and stop people from doing it?

I’m not saying don’t pursue or prosecute pimps/mistresses that control people or force them to sell themselves continue to challenge the criminal element but I say make it legal where women and men selling it are licensed and required to have health checks, I’m sure there’s plenty of people that work in that industry that are happy doing it.

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By *ongue FuckerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"It’s said to be the oldest profession in the world so why continue to try and stop people from doing it?

I’m not saying don’t pursue or prosecute pimps/mistresses that control people or force them to sell themselves continue to challenge the criminal element but I say make it legal where women and men selling it are licensed and required to have health checks, I’m sure there’s plenty of people that work in that industry that are happy doing it. "

I think this would help to clean up some of the sex slave trade, maybe more than the steps above however I do think that no Government in this country will be bold enough to push for that. The method now being considered is perhaps the next best thing.

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By *igsaw93Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Just so you know, selling sex is not illegal in scotland and never has been (to my knowledge). It's having a brothel or street prostitution that's illegal.

The new law is set to change that formally and introduce charges which can be bought against people buying sex. In reality I think this will be tricky to enforce, as you will need to prove and corroborate it. You would need the sex workers themselves to report them, or police to go undercover.

There are very few people who are prosecuted for street prostitution under the current law, and those that are, often get admonished. The new law will hopefully remove this altogether.

In general I think we need to try and make the sex industry safer. To do that we need to provide a lot more support to sex workers and "ways out" for people who want them. There are plenty of people who choose to sell sex but sadly street prostitution is often done by those without a choice.

H xx

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By *dlilbumCouple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

IMHO full service sex work (FSSW) should be decriminalised completely - criminalisation of any part of sex work leads to discrimination towards sex workers which leads to the sex industry being forced further underground and the possibility of exploitation is increased. The criminalisation of brothels just leads to more danger for sex workers - they are unable to work in the same building as any other FSSW without it being illegal. Where is the sense in that? It just isolates sex workers making getting help even more difficult.

Sex trafficking and consenting sex work are different, and you can have consenting sex workers who would choose to leave the industry and others who would choose to stay. Also, consenting sex workers aren’t “selling their bodies” any more than anyone else under capitalism - labourers, personal trainers, dog walkers all sell their bodies. Anyone who works who thinks they don’t sell their body, I’d like to know what it is you do for a job because if I can stay in my wee hoose and just think my way to earning a wage I would love to hear about it!

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By *atindollTV/TS
over a year ago

edinburgh

I've met plenty sex workers in my job,none seem to have a problem doing it,all of them saw it as a good way to make cash,some work in brothels and pay taxes some on the street and dont,I've yet to see any slaves.

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By *atindollTV/TS
over a year ago

edinburgh


"I seem to recall debates and the setting up of tolerance zones in Leith and Aberdeen.

Don't think Leith lasted long as too near residential areas and too many objections.

But think Aberdeens was more successful in dealing with some of the issues.

Offering support, preventing underage girls etc"

The leith zone was going for years and years right back to when the docks were thriving,it was only when the developers moved in that they were punted from the shore.

And the blind eye deal was dumped when police Scotland amalgamated.

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By *atindollTV/TS
over a year ago

edinburgh

In Edinburgh there are about 7 brothels or saunas as they are called,councillors insist they are definitely not brothels but all the girls I've spoke to all disagree.

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By *henanigans100Couple
over a year ago

Buckie


"IMHO full service sex work (FSSW) should be decriminalised completely - criminalisation of any part of sex work leads to discrimination towards sex workers which leads to the sex industry being forced further underground and the possibility of exploitation is increased. The criminalisation of brothels just leads to more danger for sex workers - they are unable to work in the same building as any other FSSW without it being illegal. Where is the sense in that? It just isolates sex workers making getting help even more difficult.

Sex trafficking and consenting sex work are different, and you can have consenting sex workers who would choose to leave the industry and others who would choose to stay. Also, consenting sex workers aren’t “selling their bodies” any more than anyone else under capitalism - labourers, personal trainers, dog walkers all sell their bodies. Anyone who works who thinks they don’t sell their body, I’d like to know what it is you do for a job because if I can stay in my wee hoose and just think my way to earning a wage I would love to hear about it! "

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