FabSwingers.com forum: Poppy on fab

By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

Probably opening the can of all worms here but just wondering what people think.

Is it in keeping with the solemn and respectful tradition of remembrance for fabswingers which, whatever way you look at it, is primarily a sex site to be displaying a poppy?

I respect anyone’s right to remember the fallen but is this the correct place to be doing it?

Or do we as swingers have the same right as any group to pay our respects?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As you say it's a sex site if things like that bother anyone that's their trip to deal with it.

Me myself and I have no preference on it if it's there or not.

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By *ustyWoman
over a year ago

inverclyde

Paying respect as we all should. If it was not for vetrans from the wars who knows where we would be. I for one support it....always have and will. Am ex forces so is my family so yes it means lot to me

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By *urplequeenWoman
over a year ago

Fife

Yes.. We are all people and human beings who remember the fallen.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:

Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning

We will remember them.

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"Paying respect as we all should. If it was not for vetrans from the wars who knows where we would be. I for one support it....always have and will. Am ex forces so is my family so yes it means lot to me"

I’m not asking if people support the poppy generally. Im asking if they agree with it being specifically displayed on this site.

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By *imbobaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

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By *evilsAdvocate94Woman
over a year ago

edinburgh

Just because of the site it is doesn’t mean it can’t respect the day!

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

If it makes you feel that uncomfortable, hide the site pics whilst the poppy is there

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By *imbobaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

Personally I can detach the meaning of the poppy from the content on the page I may be looking at. Never would cross my mind to associate remembrance with sex or swinging. Transcends titilation. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cant be going with forced respect.

It's a personal thing.

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

If it makes you feel that uncomfortable, hide the site pics whilst the poppy is there"

It’s not as simple as that. I’m questioning the principle not just the simple act of seeing it with my eyes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

If it makes you feel that uncomfortable, hide the site pics whilst the poppy is there

It’s not as simple as that. I’m questioning the principle not just the simple act of seeing it with my eyes.

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It can be as simple as that if you make it so.

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"Cant be going with forced respect.

It's a personal thing."

I totally agree, I think remembrance and respect are very personal.

Maybe the ability to display a poppy on your own profile if you chose to do so would be more respectful than it being the first thing you see on the home page?

Then it would be people’s own choice if they would like to use this as a platform for remembrance or not?

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By *evilsAdvocate94Woman
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Cant be going with forced respect.

It's a personal thing.

I totally agree, I think remembrance and respect are very personal.

Maybe the ability to display a poppy on your own profile if you chose to do so would be more respectful than it being the first thing you see on the home page?

Then it would be people’s own choice if they would like to use this as a platform for remembrance or not?

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And where would the poppy on a persons profile go?

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"Cant be going with forced respect.

It's a personal thing.

I totally agree, I think remembrance and respect are very personal.

Maybe the ability to display a poppy on your own profile if you chose to do so would be more respectful than it being the first thing you see on the home page?

Then it would be people’s own choice if they would like to use this as a platform for remembrance or not?

And where would the poppy on a persons profile go? "

Near the top I would imagine? Or even as a temporary replacement of their profile picture?

It’s a minor detail really, I’m sure fab themselves could easily come up with something.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

I'm the same as you. I don't think this is the place for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your never gonna please everyone.

Some will think it's not the place some will complain if it's not there.

Sods law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

If it makes you feel that uncomfortable, hide the site pics whilst the poppy is there

It’s not as simple as that. I’m questioning the principle not just the simple act of seeing it with my eyes.

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Comedians on tv wear a poppy at this time of year when their material isnt exactly sombre ... does that have the same effect?

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

If it makes you feel that uncomfortable, hide the site pics whilst the poppy is there

It’s not as simple as that. I’m questioning the principle not just the simple act of seeing it with my eyes.

Comedians on tv wear a poppy at this time of year when their material isnt exactly sombre ... does that have the same effect? "

Yep, in certain circumstances that could be similarly inappropriate in my opinion.

Difficult not to wear a poppy on TV these days without getting backlash from some members of the public though.

Would be interesting to find out how many are making a conscious decision to wear it and how many are just being pinned on by the production company because that’s just what they do at the this time of year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

If it makes you feel that uncomfortable, hide the site pics whilst the poppy is there

It’s not as simple as that. I’m questioning the principle not just the simple act of seeing it with my eyes.

Comedians on tv wear a poppy at this time of year when their material isnt exactly sombre ... does that have the same effect? "

Maybe, never thought of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The cynic in me says 90% are just having it pinned on rather than actively choosing... Not meaning they are against it in their own just that they probably wouldn’t make the effort without the pressure of media

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

You can’t see the banner displaying the poppy unless you are on the main pages. I can’t see it when I’m on the forum or looking at pics so personally I don’t see the issue. It’s something the site does every year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess part of me thinks if you feel like all things of enjoyment promoting the poppy is too juxtaposed to be appropriate then i can get where you are coming from about it perhaps not being tasteful

But if its just fab and the sexual element that sits wrong with you then even as a member of this site it seems like society still has you convinced being in here on here is a little wrong/ depraved and not fit for society

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The cynic in me says 90% are just having it pinned on rather than actively choosing... Not meaning they are against it in their own just that they probably wouldn’t make the effort without the pressure of media "
agree with this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

Pretty sure plenty of veterans and fallen have had plenty fun in their time not everyone was a traditionalist

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

There are many serving servicemen and ex-servicemen on Fab, I don’t see them having an issue with it.

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"I guess part of me thinks if you feel like all things of enjoyment promoting the poppy is too juxtaposed to be appropriate then i can get where you are coming from about it perhaps not being tasteful

I was fearful of it coming across like that, I recognise that we as swingers are a marginalised group, I’m a massive supporter of sex positive people not being put in a box out with normal society. If someone as a swinger wants to express remembrance then I think they should absolutely have the right to do so, I

have no issue with people posting messages or images of remembrance from their own personal profile.

I think it’s probably the blanket nature of the site itself having a poppy in the main page header that makes me feel uncomfortable. It suggests that we all as members of this site are happy to use it as a forum for remembrance when clearly not everyone is. There are people in normal society who chose not to wear a poppy and as the swinging scene is a normal part of society that is absolutely the case here also.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if the poppy wasnt there if folk were to complain?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

have no issue with people posting messages or images of remembrance from their own personal profile.

That i can also understand but then i dont think its related in any way to it being a sex site ... thats the political side of the site owners effectively speaking for everyone and pushing their views down on the group

I guess maybe if enough people objected they might stop, but then that will offend others and its impossible to keep everyone happy

do they also do something at christmas or did i make that up?

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"I wonder if the poppy wasnt there if folk were to complain?

I think if it had never been there not many people would be asking for it to be added.

But if it didn’t appear next year having been displayed for several years now there would be complaints I’m sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder if the poppy wasnt there if folk were to complain?

I think if it had never been there not many people would be asking for it to be added.

But if it didn’t appear next year having been displayed for several years now there would be complaints I’m sure.

Probably right

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

have no issue with people posting messages or images of remembrance from their own personal profile.

I guess maybe if enough people objected they might stop, but then that will offend others and its impossible to keep everyone happy

do they also do something at christmas or did i make that up? "

That’s always the issue with this sort of thing though I suppose, you're never going to please everyone. Just going from this post though it seems more people are happy with it being there than are not.

I think they possibly do have something at Christmas but if I remember correctly it’s usually a snowman? So not a religious image I suppose. That’s another debate for next month I suppose. Lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think some would question it..going by facebook today god help anyone that's not got something on their page lol

Which goes by my point of it being forced and not a personal decision anymore.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

No one complains when the banner is seasonal for Christmas or Halloween. It’s just a few days of the year and the site owners can choose to display what they like. It may be a personal thing for them to display the poppy.

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"I think some would question it..going by facebook today god help anyone that's not got something on their page lol

Which goes by my point of it being forced and not a personal decision anymore."

I think this is ultimately the underlying point of me posting this in the forum.

The ultimate question is are fabswingers as a business displaying this because they genuinely want to carry out an act of remembrance or do they feel obligated to display it?

My opinion is that remembrance is a very personal thing and it’s something individual members should be deciding if they want to take part in it or not.

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"No one complains when the banner is seasonal for Christmas or Halloween. It’s just a few days of the year and the site owners can choose to display what they like. It may be a personal thing for them to display the poppy."

Are you suggesting that fun Christmas and Halloween images are directly comparable to the poppy?

I’d argue that there is a massive difference between a Halloween pumpkin and a red poppy that commemorates the death of thousands of people.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

As said above the majority of site users or the site owners at some point have deemed it acceptable to display a poppy on the site.

I don't find it disrespectful and going by the forum posts neither does the majority of users.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

I'm the same as you. I don't think this is the place for it."

I comment to a friend every year that I think it’s a bit naff.

But it’s all about show nowadays and miles away from the quiet remembrance is should/used to be.

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

"I think some would question it..going by facebook today god help anyone that's not got something on their page lol

Which goes by my point of it being forced and not a personal decision anymore."

I wonder how many of those making a fuss about poppies actually attend a remembrance service.

I was at one today with my sons scout group where the Salvation Army, scouts, cadets, boys brigade and girl guides came together to commemorate with some veterans and then some of us attended the church service (which none of us are affiliated to) after being out in the freezing cold for around 90 minutes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FWIW, I don't think the site owners are displaying it on behalf of, or as being representative of how site users feel about remembrance. It's just kinda there with no fuss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you suggesting that fun Christmas and Halloween images are directly comparable to the poppy?

I’d argue that there is a massive difference between a Halloween pumpkin and a red poppy that commemorates the death of thousands of people.

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Not directly comparable in what they represent but i guess probably displayed with the same thinking behind it ... its this season so display the appropriate symbols

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have the same rights to express ourselves as does anyone else. In what ever way we chose as long as it’s respectful.

That’s kinda my question though, is having a poppy displayed along side explicit sexual pictures respectful? It makes me feel a little uncomfortable if I’m honest.

A poppy makes you feel uncomfortable

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By *ittleMizzNaughty88.Woman
over a year ago

Renfrewshire

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

Are you suggesting that fun Christmas and Halloween images are directly comparable to the poppy?

I’d argue that there is a massive difference between a Halloween pumpkin and a red poppy that commemorates the death of thousands of people.

Not directly comparable in what they represent but i guess probably displayed with the same thinking behind it ... its this season so display the appropriate symbols "

If that is the reason, it’s so insincere isn’t it?

“It’s the start of November so we better stick a poppy up” is so far removed from the intention of Remembrance Sunday and the symbol of the red poppy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you suggesting that fun Christmas and Halloween images are directly comparable to the poppy?

I’d argue that there is a massive difference between a Halloween pumpkin and a red poppy that commemorates the death of thousands of people.

Not directly comparable in what they represent but i guess probably displayed with the same thinking behind it ... its this season so display the appropriate symbols

If that is the reason, it’s so insincere isn’t it?

“It’s the start of November so we better stick a poppy up” is so far removed from the intention of Remembrance Sunday and the symbol of the red poppy.

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Yeah but its just my cynical assumption ... i have no real idea of why they put it up... they might be passive or bigotted or just very passionate about rememberance ... i guess since no one will ever know from just an image no harm done as people can choose to see the positive in it

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

Are you suggesting that fun Christmas and Halloween images are directly comparable to the poppy?

I’d argue that there is a massive difference between a Halloween pumpkin and a red poppy that commemorates the death of thousands of people.

Not directly comparable in what they represent but i guess probably displayed with the same thinking behind it ... its this season so display the appropriate symbols

If that is the reason, it’s so insincere isn’t it?

“It’s the start of November so we better stick a poppy up” is so far removed from the intention of Remembrance Sunday and the symbol of the red poppy.

That’s a fair point. I’m certainly not against the red poppy as a symbol and I’m not actually calling for it to be removed from the site just incase anyone has misunderstood me.

Was just wondering what members opinions were really. Have to say it was good to hear people’s points of view without it descending into an argument, as it sometimes does on here, all very respectful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wasn’t suggesting you were sorry ! I guess im just also very passive about things!

But yeah nice that people gave opinions and it managed to stay adult

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

It's the site owners choice the bit that gets on my goat is the piggybackers remember is a personal thing and certainly doesn't req the usual drivel so someone feels they look like a good person

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By *erriAnneTV/TS
over a year ago

The shire

I’m not asking if people support the poppy generally. Im asking if they agree with it being specifically displayed on this site.

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Why shouldn't it be displayed on the site??? Just because it is what it is shouldn't make a difference at all. Some people will try and cause an argument in a phone box just for the sake of it. It's only a few days a year and if it bothers you then leave and find a site that doesn't display one.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

Makes no odds whether its there or not. We've all got the choice and plenty opportunity to remember and pay respects in our day to day lives without the necessity of a poppy on here to do it for us.

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By *lancheifMan
over a year ago

Ayr

I'm sure some of the dirty auld bastards would approve of how easy they could come across plenty o gash if they were looking for it these days

Mind you there was plenty brothels and houses you could visit back in them days too to fill their boots if they were so inclined, so i don't think there would be to many that would find it objectionable

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

I’m not asking if people support the poppy generally. Im asking if they agree with it being specifically displayed on this site.

It was all going so well.

If you go back and actually read the thread you will see that, up until your comment, we we’re having a grown up conversation around peoples differing opinions on remembrance.

Seems the only argumentative contribution is actually yours. Makes your phone box comment quite ironic.

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By *assy LassieWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

I noticed it. Thought oh a poppy and went about my business on here. Any personal remembrance and respect is exactly that. Some things are way overthought on here.

Do your thing. Let others do their thing. Some of us may even do things together. Simples

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By *erriAnneTV/TS
over a year ago

The shire

I’m not asking if people support the poppy generally. Im asking if they agree with it being specifically displayed on this site.

It was all going so well.

If you go back and actually read the thread you will see that, up until your comment, we we’re having a grown up conversation around peoples differing opinions on remembrance.

Seems the only argumentative contribution is actually yours. Makes your phone box comment quite ironic.

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How condescending are you????? I offer my opinion and you try to shut it down. Its obviously been bothering you since it's been there or you wouldn't have posted a thread about it. Don't try to belittle someone because they don't conform to your idea of what should and shouldn't be posted in a thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have the freedoms we have today because of these men and women of every religion that lost their life’s in a war that was fought in a continent not so far away from us.

With the numbers who died it is possible that one if not more was related to you. So why the controversy about the poppy?

Lest we forget!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We wouldn’t be here if it was or for the courageous men and woman who fought in both wars and the ones who are still standing on the wall at nite to protect us.

Damp right a POPPY should be displayed people take so much for granted there freedom there equal rights there pleasures in life inc sex

We would have FUCK ALL if it was not for those men and woman and am sure like others onhere there families and still today have families in service either the army, marines, raf. These people have died for us would you have the balls to go and do the same thing??

People are outstanding onhere they are selfish to the core at time’s and forget the ones it have fallen for us so we can have what we have today FREEDOM

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By *erriAnneTV/TS
over a year ago

The shire

"We have the freedoms we have today because of these men and women of every religion that lost their life’s in a war that was fought in a continent not so far away from us.

With the numbers who died it is possible that one if not more was related to you. So why the controversy about the poppy?

Lest we forget! "

Exactly. I was in France a couple of weeks ago to pay my respects to a relative who died on 1st July 1916 and has never been found. These people even having the audacity to question why a poppy is there on this site or its meaning really need to take a long hard look at themselves because without those that have put everything on the line we would not be here. I'm very protective of my past and I have served too and if anyone wants to question a poppy then they are subhuman scum imho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We wouldn’t be here if it was or for the courageous men and woman who fought in both wars and the ones who are still standing on the wall at nite to protect us.

Damp right a POPPY should be displayed people take so much for granted there freedom there equal rights there pleasures in life inc sex

People are outstanding onhere they are selfish to the core at time’s and forget the ones it have fallen for us so we can have what we have today FREEDOM

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you suggesting that fun Christmas and Halloween images are directly comparable to the poppy?

I’d argue that there is a massive difference between a Halloween pumpkin and a red poppy that commemorates the death of thousands of people.

Not directly comparable in what they represent but i guess probably displayed with the same thinking behind it ... its this season so display the appropriate symbols

If that is the reason, it’s so insincere isn’t it?

“It’s the start of November so we better stick a poppy up” is so far removed from the intention of Remembrance Sunday and the symbol of the red poppy.

That’s a fair point. I’m certainly not against the red poppy as a symbol and I’m not actually calling for it to be removed from the site just incase anyone has misunderstood me.

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lol you were saying?

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By *erriAnneTV/TS
over a year ago

The shire

"We wouldn’t be here if it was or for the courageous men and woman who fought in both wars and the ones who are still standing on the wall at nite to protect us.

Damp right a POPPY should be displayed people take so much for granted there freedom there equal rights there pleasures in life inc sex

People are outstanding onhere they are selfish to the core at time’s and forget the ones it have fallen for us so we can have what we have today FREEDOM "

My thoughts too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think on the whole, the British people respect the poppy and what it stands for, and so the site owners would expect the majority of fab users would too. If I ran a website to be honest I would add a poppy, with the caveat that those in disagreement could just ignore it. It is impossible to please all and so sometimes you just have to go with your own beliefs. I realise it is considered "sound business practice" to display the poppy. As it is to shout out loud for pride with rainbows. Every major business does now. But I choose not to be cynical. My parents both served and do not talk about it. They do not need the American style "thank you for your service" pats on the back. But every armistice they are there, quietly remembering the fallen, both before and during their service. That for me is what the poppy represents. The right and the will to remember. But I am happy to see any mark of respect, wherever. Red poppy, white poppy, purple for the animals lost. Or even no popoy if that's your choice. Can those using a swingers site not be respectful? Of course we can.

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

Are you suggesting that fun Christmas and Halloween images are directly comparable to the poppy?

I’d argue that there is a massive difference between a Halloween pumpkin and a red poppy that commemorates the death of thousands of people.

Not directly comparable in what they represent but i guess probably displayed with the same thinking behind it ... its this season so display the appropriate symbols

If that is the reason, it’s so insincere isn’t it?

“It’s the start of November so we better stick a poppy up” is so far removed from the intention of Remembrance Sunday and the symbol of the red poppy.

That’s a fair point. I’m certainly not against the red poppy as a symbol and I’m not actually calling for it to be removed from the site just incase anyone has misunderstood me.

D lol you were saying?

I spoke too soon didn’t I?

I’m not even going to try and have a reasoned adult conversation with this pair above. Calling people sub human for having a perfectly reasonable conversation around remembrance is absolute madness.

It was a nice little debate for a bit today guys, thanks to all the reasonable folk who took part. Good night.

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By *ouplefor funCouple
over a year ago

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"I think on the whole, the British people respect the poppy and what it stands for, and so the site owners would expect the majority of fab users would too. If I ran a website to be honest I would add a poppy, with the caveat that those in disagreement could just ignore it. It is impossible to please all and so sometimes you just have to go with your own beliefs. I realise it is considered "sound business practice" to display the poppy. As it is to shout out loud for pride with rainbows. Every major business does now. But I choose not to be cynical. My parents both served and do not talk about it. They do not need the American style "thank you for your service" pats on the back. But every armistice they are there, quietly remembering the fallen, both before and during their service. That for me is what the poppy represents. The right and the will to remember. But I am happy to see any mark of respect, wherever. Red poppy, white poppy, purple for the animals lost. Or even no popoy if that's your choice. Can those using a swingers site not be respectful? Of course we can. "

Totally agree jen tha fallen had no todays cant we give then a little of ours . My dad was torpeodied in the Adriatic survived but some if his rwgiment were drowned he never forgot .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The OP was clearly asking about the poppy being shown on fab

So it wasnt needed to jump on the everyone should remember train.

Good debate OP while it lasted

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By *cottishcockMan
over a year ago

glasgow

It’s called respect , I was in the army for 2 years myself And was medically discharged when I was 20 so I’m all for it. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s called respect , I was in the army for 2 years myself And was medically discharged when I was 20 so I’m all for it. X"

Nobody was saying veterans should be respected ... it was an adult discussion around appropriate platforms and methods of doing so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably opening the can of all worms here but just wondering what people think.

Is it in keeping with the solemn and respectful tradition of remembrance for fabswingers which, whatever way you look at it, is primarily a sex site to be displaying a poppy?

I respect anyone’s right to remember the fallen but is this the correct place to be doing it?

Or do we as swingers have the same right as any group to pay our respects?

D "

Whats youre opinion of the Poppy banner ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s called respect , I was in the army for 2 years myself And was medically discharged when I was 20 so I’m all for it. X

Nobody was saying veterans should be respected ... it was an adult discussion around appropriate platforms and methods of doing so

When you start a debate it can go in all directions though. Doesn't mean it's not still a good discussion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s called respect , I was in the army for 2 years myself And was medically discharged when I was 20 so I’m all for it. X

Nobody was saying veterans should be respected ... it was an adult discussion around appropriate platforms and methods of doing so

When you start a debate it can go in all directions though. Doesn't mean it's not still a good discussion "

This

Differing opinions can be aired with respect, and discussion does not have to entail aggression no matter how far apart those opinions are. Debate should expand ones understanding not narrow it

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By *am n dave 400Couple
over a year ago

hamilton

Are you suggesting that fun Christmas and Halloween images are directly comparable to the poppy?

I’d argue that there is a massive difference between a Halloween pumpkin and a red poppy that commemorates the death of thousands of people.

Not directly comparable in what they represent but i guess probably displayed with the same thinking behind it ... its this season so display the appropriate symbols

If that is the reason, it’s so insincere isn’t it?

“It’s the start of November so we better stick a poppy up” is so far removed from the intention of Remembrance Sunday and the symbol of the red poppy.

That’s a fair point. I’m certainly not against the red poppy as a symbol and I’m not actually calling for it to be removed from the site just incase anyone has misunderstood me.

D "
. Can I ask you do you wear a poppy on your jacket as a mark of respect to our fallen heroes?

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

Are you suggesting that fun Christmas and Halloween images are directly comparable to the poppy?

I’d argue that there is a massive difference between a Halloween pumpkin and a red poppy that commemorates the death of thousands of people.

Not directly comparable in what they represent but i guess probably displayed with the same thinking behind it ... its this season so display the appropriate symbols

If that is the reason, it’s so insincere isn’t it?

“It’s the start of November so we better stick a poppy up” is so far removed from the intention of Remembrance Sunday and the symbol of the red poppy.

That’s a fair point. I’m certainly not against the red poppy as a symbol and I’m not actually calling for it to be removed from the site just incase anyone has misunderstood me.

D . Can I ask you do you wear a poppy on your jacket as a mark of respect to our fallen heroes? "

Although that is a personal question and really none of your business I will answer it in the context of this debate.

Yes I do.

I wear a white poppy, distributed by the peace pledge union which was founded in 1934. I wear it as a mark of respect to all victims of war on all sides be they military or civilian. It also represents the endeavour for peace across the world as was the original message from the veterans of the Great War. “Never again”. A message that I believe has unfortunately been forgotten in these modern times.

That’s my personal decision just as it is a personal decision how anyone decides to commemorate or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you suggesting that fun Christmas and Halloween images are directly comparable to the poppy?

I’d argue that there is a massive difference between a Halloween pumpkin and a red poppy that commemorates the death of thousands of people.

Not directly comparable in what they represent but i guess probably displayed with the same thinking behind it ... its this season so display the appropriate symbols

If that is the reason, it’s so insincere isn’t it?

“It’s the start of November so we better stick a poppy up” is so far removed from the intention of Remembrance Sunday and the symbol of the red poppy.

That’s a fair point. I’m certainly not against the red poppy as a symbol and I’m not actually calling for it to be removed from the site just incase anyone has misunderstood me.

D . Can I ask you do you wear a poppy on your jacket as a mark of respect to our fallen heroes? "
can I ask why you wanted to know? I'm in agreement it's a personal choice and not something that should be forced to wear.

The whole debate was whether or not it was appropriate on a swingers sex site.

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"It’s called respect , I was in the army for 2 years myself And was medically discharged when I was 20 so I’m all for it. X

Nobody was saying veterans should be respected ... it was an adult discussion around appropriate platforms and methods of doing so

When you start a debate it can go in all directions though. Doesn't mean it's not still a good discussion "

I totally agree. However when people feel the need to call others “subhuman scum” (see Annabelle Kerri’s post above) for daring to have a discussion about something, it ruins the respectful manner in which the debate was taking place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s called respect , I was in the army for 2 years myself And was medically discharged when I was 20 so I’m all for it. X

Nobody was saying veterans should be respected ... it was an adult discussion around appropriate platforms and methods of doing so

**Shouldn’t ... not the ideal time for a typo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s called respect , I was in the army for 2 years myself And was medically discharged when I was 20 so I’m all for it. X

Nobody was saying veterans should be respected ... it was an adult discussion around appropriate platforms and methods of doing so

When you start a debate it can go in all directions though. Doesn't mean it's not still a good discussion

D "

Yes I totally agree with that. I was more replying to girlinlingerie's comment there, as the guy she made it to was just giving an opinion without insulting anyone.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

It still surprises me that folk believe it's for just the allied forces it's not it's to remember the fallen of any nation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It still surprises me that folk believe it's for just the allied forces it's not it's to remember the fallen of any nation "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It still surprises me that folk believe it's for just the allied forces it's not it's to remember the fallen of any nation "

Yep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe ive missed it..

But..

OP..Have you answered my question in relation to you're post ?

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"It still surprises me that folk believe it's for just the allied forces it's not it's to remember the fallen of any nation "

That’s just not true I’m afraid, here’s a direct quote from the British legion’s website:

“The red poppy is worn as a show of support for the Armed Forces communities across the UK, Allied Forces and the Commonwealth.”

It specifically commemorates the sacrifice of military personnel on the British/Allied side of conflict. The red poppy does for the first time this year also commemorate civilians though, not before time in my opinion.

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"Maybe ive missed it..

But..

OP..Have you answered my question in relation to you're post ?

What was your question? I must have missed it?

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"Probably opening the can of all worms here but just wondering what people think.

Is it in keeping with the solemn and respectful tradition of remembrance for fabswingers which, whatever way you look at it, is primarily a sex site to be displaying a poppy?

I respect anyone’s right to remember the fallen but is this the correct place to be doing it?

Or do we as swingers have the same right as any group to pay our respects?

Whats youre opinion of the Poppy banner ?

Ah ok, I see it now. I think I’ve actually answered it somewhere above though.

I think remembrance is a personal thing so I would probably rather that there was an option for individual members to display a poppy if they chose to do so rather than it being a blanket statement on the header of the site.

That doesn’t mean that I am in anyway offended by it being there or the symbol of the red poppy itself incase I trigger any one.

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By *exicolaMan
over a year ago

West Lothian

I hate the whole poppy culture these days.

That said plenty of businesses support it and I've no qualms. Makes absolutely no difference to me.

My employer supports it, my football team support it, my local supermarkets support it. You're pissing against the wind if you want to voice out against it (not what I'm doing here) so you may as well get the head down and let it pass!

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

All I would say is that it is a remembrance not a celebration.

Some people and institutions would do well to remember that.

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By *exicolaMan
over a year ago

West Lothian

"All I would say is that it is a remembrance not a celebration.

Some people and institutions would do well to remember that."

Walked the dog earlier past a house with inflatable poppies at the door, right next to last weeks pumpkins.

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"All I would say is that it is a remembrance not a celebration.

Some people and institutions would do well to remember that.

Walked the dog earlier past a house with inflatable poppies at the door, right next to last weeks pumpkins. "

In what planet is that respectful

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

The household may have children.

Just because they they have pumpkins from last week that makes them disrespectful for having poppys also?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As like most things now it's getting commercialised.

The actual remembrance is getting lost.

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"The household may have children.

Just because they they have pumpkins from last week that makes them disrespectful for having poppys also?

A blow up poppy...its not Christmas

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"The household may have children.

Just because they they have pumpkins from last week that makes them disrespectful for having poppys also?

A blow up poppy...its not Christmas "

And your problem with that is?

This is exactly what the OP is talking about having a poppy on a swinger site.

So a blow up poppy is now a mark of disrespect?

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"The household may have children.

Just because they they have pumpkins from last week that makes them disrespectful for having poppys also?

A blow up poppy...its not Christmas

And your problem with that is?

This is exactly what the OP is talking about having a poppy on a swinger site.

So a blow up poppy is now a mark of disrespect?"

Do you think that's a proper way to pay respect to fallen dead. A blow up poppy?

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By *exicolaMan
over a year ago

West Lothian

"The household may have children.

Just because they they have pumpkins from last week that makes them disrespectful for having poppys also?

A blow up poppy...its not Christmas

And your problem with that is?

This is exactly what the OP is talking about having a poppy on a swinger site.

So a blow up poppy is now a mark of disrespect?"

Disrespectful? Nope

Crass, most definitely.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"The household may have children.

Just because they they have pumpkins from last week that makes them disrespectful for having poppys also?

A blow up poppy...its not Christmas

And your problem with that is?

This is exactly what the OP is talking about having a poppy on a swinger site.

So a blow up poppy is now a mark of disrespect?

Do you think that's a proper way to pay respect to fallen dead. A blow up poppy?"

If that's the way someone wants to remember the fallen then yes.

I done 23 years in the forces and I don't find it offensive.

Especially if children are involved. They are the ones carrying on the memory of the fallen and if that means a blow up poppy then so be it.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"The household may have children.

Just because they they have pumpkins from last week that makes them disrespectful for having poppys also?

A blow up poppy...its not Christmas

And your problem with that is?

This is exactly what the OP is talking about having a poppy on a swinger site.

So a blow up poppy is now a mark of disrespect?

Disrespectful? Nope

Crass, most definitely.

Maybe but that's your own opinion

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"It still surprises me that folk believe it's for just the allied forces it's not it's to remember the fallen of any nation

That’s just not true I’m afraid, here’s a direct quote from the British legion’s website:

“The red poppy is worn as a show of support for the Armed Forces communities across the UK, Allied Forces and the Commonwealth.”

D "
Our red poppy is a symbol of both Remembrance and hope for a peaceful future.

Poppies are worn as a show of support for the Armed Forces community. From the royal British legion having taken part in the queens remembrance parade for many yrs it was drummed into us that it was for all who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

It is only observed by commonwealth countries though

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"The household may have children.

Just because they they have pumpkins from last week that makes them disrespectful for having poppys also?

A blow up poppy...its not Christmas

And your problem with that is?

This is exactly what the OP is talking about having a poppy on a swinger site.

So a blow up poppy is now a mark of disrespect?

Do you think that's a proper way to pay respect to fallen dead. A blow up poppy?

If that's the way someone wants to remember the fallen then yes.

I done 23 years in the forces and I don't find it offensive.

Especially if children are involved. They are the ones carrying on the memory of the fallen and if that means a blow up poppy then so be it.

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By *horstrollMan
over a year ago

Caprona

While we wear the poppy the French have a different symbol

The bleuet is the french blue cornflower, at Thiepval they sell entwined poppy cornflower lapel badges.

Regardless of wearing a white or red poppy a visit to the Thiepval memorial to the missing, is staggering to comprehend the loss of so many.

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By *dlilbum OP Couple
over a year ago

Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow

"While we wear the poppy the French have a different symbol

The bleuet is the french blue cornflower, at Thiepval they sell entwined poppy cornflower lapel badges.

Regardless of wearing a white or red poppy a visit to the Thiepval memorial to the missing, is staggering to comprehend the loss of so many."

I’ve been to Thiepval, along with quite a few other First World War graveyards and battlefields across Belgium and France. It’s quite staggering I agree.

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