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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I currently serve as a member of the armed forces, just curious what everyone's opinions are of the armed forces and of people who serve in it

Thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't ever shag someone who was in the forces

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't ever shag someone who was in the forces"

Why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't ever shag someone who was in the forces

Why not?"

Because I don't want to

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By *ullpa72Man
over a year ago

Isle of Arran

I served in my younger years ,and one of my son's joins in march . respect to all those people who serve and protect our country and way of life .

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By *ighland gentlemanMan
over a year ago

Tain

Happy mammmaries of a wonderfully gifted Army nurse a few years back!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There like vegans, they soon tell you they are military.

Which make me assume they think it gives them some sort of entitlement.

We don’t have conscription so you chose your job just like anyone else on here and I don’t really care what that is either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've reached this ridiculous situation of American of quasi-hero worship of the Forces. If you are cynical you can tie it in with unpopularity of the second Gulf War. By creating this aura around the forces, you couldn't make criticism with out sounding as though you weren't 'backing our boys'.

Like all walks of life - there are good folk and there are cretins. Classifying everyone as a hero is bullshit.

This isn't the mass conscript and volunteer military of WW1 & WW2. Even Northern Ireland isn't what it was (thankfully). Folk signing up nowadays for a 3 year tour doesn't necessarily mean they should be hero worship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's very often guys with not much else about them that use it as their USP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't ever shag someone who was in the forces

Why not?

Because I don't want to "

Ahhhhh....thanks for clarifying

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"There like vegans, they soon tell you they are military.

Which make me assume they think it gives them some sort of entitlement.

We don’t have conscription so you chose your job just like anyone else on here and I don’t really care what that is either. "
only the young dumb and full of cum try to use it as a gies a shag line the majority of armed forces don't draw attention to it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There like vegans, they soon tell you they are military.

Which make me assume they think it gives them some sort of entitlement.

We don’t have conscription so you chose your job just like anyone else on here and I don’t really care what that is either. only the young dumb and full of cum try to use it as a gies a shag line the majority of armed forces don't draw attention to it "

Many older guys on here present themselves that way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My hubby served in the navy for over 20 years.

Not that has anything to do with anything to anyone else, but I'm a proud mrs, just saying.

Your welcome

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By *attooed gentMan
over a year ago

anywhere everywhere

"I currently serve as a member of the armed forces, just curious what everyone's opinions are of the armed forces and of people who serve in it

Thanks

Served in my younger years was in the cadets then moved onto army once I turned of age did my 3years and left wish I had off stayed on but family life toke over.

Got respect for anyone who serves or is still serving.

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea

I love anyone who that’s doing a dedicated profession especially that’s is to protect people of the country, I also like people that are physically fit and mentally strong.

What I don’t like is the guys that use the military link to attract, it’s very unlikely you would ever see a guy in his military clothes or with a gun but they do seem to put photos up like that, do you get a nurse posting photos of her in her work wear?

Better to be an original version of yourself not a stereotype to impress

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"We've reached this ridiculous situation of American of quasi-hero worship of the Forces. If you are cynical you can tie it in with unpopularity of the second Gulf War. By creating this aura around the forces, you couldn't make criticism with out sounding as though you weren't 'backing our boys'.

Like all walks of life - there are good folk and there are cretins. Classifying everyone as a hero is bullshit.

Unfortunatley this is in my book correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yup I’ve had all ages use it in first message!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like all walks of life - there are good folk and there are cretins. Classifying everyone as a hero is bullshit.

Unfortunatley this is in my book correct."

Mine too

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By *elaxedcplCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games with theirs and others lifes. The sadest part is they buy into this "nobile" nonsense, doing their bit for their country - the country you were born in is a random act of fate, go ahead and defend randomness and make some rich fucks more wealthy or powerful.

Mugs.

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By *oingdown2Man
over a year ago

angus

Can't beat a fit guy in fatigues. Lots of them don't seem to have any inhibitions either. Win win.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Poor guy only wants a shag

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't meet soldiers have my reasons why

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's very often guys with not much else about them that use it as their USP"

Hahahahah get a grip

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The amount of people triggered by this is brilliant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The amount of people triggered by this is brilliant

No pun intended.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Standard response of someone who’s hopes to be fawned over failed.

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By *elaxedcplCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The amount of people triggered by this is brilliant

Triggered...decent pun. Why did you delete your other posts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being an ex serviceman it is something am very proud of the years of service I have given, but am sure it is the same for anyone in any job, defently not a point I would push on here, or in any situation as am sure a nurse or doctor etc would not either, I would belive the ones that push the point may not have even served ( walts) and think it is a way to enhance their chances. This sort of place is about the person and the conetctions made not what you do or have done!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Being an ex serviceman it is something am very proud of the years of service I have given, but am sure it is the same for anyone in any job, defently not a point I would push on here, or in any situation as am sure a nurse or doctor etc would not either, I would belive the ones that push the point may not have even served ( walts) and think it is a way to enhance their chances. This sort of place is about the person and the conetctions made not what you do or have done!!! "

Well said

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By *rixi DevineWoman
over a year ago

Dundee

just to add my little offering of an opinion here....

(previous threads similar to this one have my thoughts on this subject too... but, im wading in again haha)

i very rarely meet anyone from here, especially in recent times.

but, when i first joined fab, i did occassionally make the effort to make some friends

without a doubt, the friends i had then, are hugely part of the reasons i dont meet anyone now.

in my opinion, military men are a whole different class above other men

absolutely the best company to spend time with.

alpha type men that are still respectful, great fun to be around, non arrogent, stuck up or judgemental, know how to treat a woman before you reach the bedroom & after you've left it.

whats not to LOVE?!

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By *cotsbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Helensburgh

Not entering into the whole debate here but worth pointing out to any serving personal posting on swinging sites etc that servicemen have been charged under Section 23 of the Armed Forces Act 2006, as well as Section 19 for doing so...might not want to advertise the fact you're a squaddie even if it does bring you some ladies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Happy mammmaries of a wonderfully gifted Army nurse a few years back!

I am ex QARANC hmmmmm when was that exactly heheheh

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By *rixi DevineWoman
over a year ago

Dundee

should have said before, this isnt an open invitation for any guy thats ever worn any uniform to message me assuming im up for randomly fucking you all lol

i am not!!

just to clarify this one, it was the men i was attracted to.

the self-confidence & charm turned me on!

(not that im bitter or anything haha but i didnt get the pleasure of a personal veiwing of the 'man in uniform'... sighs)

i cannot stand people who act like they are better than everyone else & have an arrogance about them. there's nothing more off putting than a guy that constantly boasts about his job or looks.

ive only ever encountered anything like that from non-military men!

i have been so privileged with the friends i made but, they have never made me feel as tho i was lucky to meet them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I currently serve as a member of the armed forces, just curious what everyone's opinions are of the armed forces and of people who serve in it

Thanks

Anyone putting their life on the line to defend mine (military/police/fire) gets my respect.

But there’s a mix bag of ex-military at one end you get the young bucks that signed up for a few years and came out thinking they’re gods, at the opposite end there’s the mid-50’s ones that like to rub it in your face that they done their bit; but somewhere in the middle there’s the ones that have served some their time and are proud of their accomplishment and don’t bang on about it these are the ones I have the biggest respect for.

The yanks p!ss me off with the amount of early/mid-30’s “vets” that like to be thanked for their service ‘yeah we’ll done you managed 10 years in a job’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not entering into the whole debate here but worth pointing out to any serving personal posting on swinging sites etc that servicemen have been charged under Section 23 of the Armed Forces Act 2006, as well as Section 19 for doing so...might not want to advertise the fact you're a squaddie even if it does bring you some ladies

My thoughts too ...especially on an open public forum with a gleaming face pic avatar..Thats if your profiles genuine

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By *hedevilwearspradaWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere nearby

There’s plenty of other occupations that use it as a chat up line too - not just military. I’ve had messages from coppers, nurses, medics, and firebobbies that have very early on told me their occupation and offered to show me their handcuffs/bedside manner/large hose....

I’m a fan of a man or woman in uniform, but it’s not a deal maker or deal breaker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ve had messages from coppers, nurses, medics, and firebobbies that have very early on told me their occupation and offered to show me their handcuffs/bedside manner/large hose....

"Awrite darlin'? Do you fancy an acturial calculation on your defined benefit pension transfer value?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Met a marine years ago...worst shag Iv had lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Met a marine years ago...worst shag Iv had lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ve had messages from coppers, nurses, medics, and firebobbies that have very early on told me their occupation and offered to show me their handcuffs/bedside manner/large hose....

"Awrite darlin'? Do you fancy an acturial calculation on your defined benefit pension transfer value?"

That’ll have them flocking to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ve had messages from coppers, nurses, medics, and firebobbies that have very early on told me their occupation and offered to show me their handcuffs/bedside manner/large hose....

"Awrite darlin'? Do you fancy an acturial calculation on your defined benefit pension transfer value?"

I'm moist

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By *hedevilwearspradaWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere nearby

"I’ve had messages from coppers, nurses, medics, and firebobbies that have very early on told me their occupation and offered to show me their handcuffs/bedside manner/large hose....

"Awrite darlin'? Do you fancy an acturial calculation on your defined benefit pension transfer value?"

The most erotic thing I’ve ever read on Fab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just to add my little offering of an opinion here....

(previous threads similar to this one have my thoughts on this subject too... but, im wading in again haha)

i very rarely meet anyone from here, especially in recent times.

but, when i first joined fab, i did occassionally make the effort to make some friends

without a doubt, the friends i had then, are hugely part of the reasons i dont meet anyone now.

in my opinion, military men are a whole different class above other men

absolutely the best company to spend time with.

alpha type men that are still respectful, great fun to be around, non arrogent, stuck up or judgemental, know how to treat a woman before you reach the bedroom & after you've left it.

whats not to LOVE?!

I totally agree. Most of my lovers have been military men and the damn best, in terms of explorative filth, intelligence and respect. I've anarchist politics and open about it. Throw in colonialism and family in the forces then it's a heady mix. People join for all sorts of reasons.

I absolutely adore them.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"There like vegans, they soon tell you they are military.

Which make me assume they think it gives them some sort of entitlement.

Many older guys on here present themselves that way"
that's old dumb n desperate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow! It’s often an eye opener what sparks a ‘discussion’ in the forums. Such sweeping generalisation. Many uniformed personnel may use their career as a selling point; being as so many profiles and status updates on this site seek this. Doesn’t for one second make them all the same. Everyone is individual and should be treated as such surely. There are good and bad in every single walk of life.

My old dad is an ex soldier, 30 years serving and a finer man you couldn’t meet. I just sincerely hope he’s not on here suggesting you lovely ladies come and look at his medals

Joking aside. Sometimes a uniform can help with a wee bit of confidence x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A real mixed bag indeed lol.

I'm currently serving and have done for 19 years. Never once mentioned unless I'm asked what I do for a living. When asked "What are you up to today" chances are the answer is "just at work".

I do know there are people who use it to attract women, and that's because there are women attracted to soldiers/uniform.

Tarring us all with the same brush is very short sighted.

I know some brilliant guys. I also know plenty of bellends in my job.

The same as any job.

But to have a go at their reasons for doing the job is out of order.

A lot of wannabe politicians who reckon they're better than us on here.

I've never chosen a partner based on their job, political or religious stance.

Always chosen by whether they're a nice person or not..... how old fashioned of me!

Enjoy your Sunday folks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A real mixed bag indeed lol.

I'm currently serving and have done for 19 years. Never once mentioned unless I'm asked what I do for a living. When asked "What are you up to today" chances are the answer is "just at work".

I do know there are people who use it to attract women, and that's because there are women attracted to soldiers/uniform.

Tarring us all with the same brush is very short sighted.

I know some brilliant guys. I also know plenty of bellends in my job.

The same as any job.

But to have a go at their reasons for doing the job is out of order.

A lot of wannabe politicians who reckon they're better than us on here.

I've never chosen a partner based on their job, political or religious stance.

Always chosen by whether they're a nice person or not..... how old fashioned of me!

Enjoy your Sunday folks."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games with theirs and others lifes. The sadest part is they buy into this "nobile" nonsense, doing their bit for their country - the country you were born in is a random act of fate, go ahead and defend randomness and make some rich fucks more wealthy or powerful.

Mugs."

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel. "

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?"

Just that little thing called free speech.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?"
I'd say in reply most join not for the noble reasons you think but more to put food on the table for their loved ones and to make their life better. This country has even less work available now and for a lot of young folk it's a means to live perhaps even better themselves with a free means of getting a trade.

This from someone who doesn't really agree with how our armed forces system works

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

Just that little thing called free speech.

You're talking nonsense now

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

Just that little thing called free speech.

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free speech is something that is not allowed in this country we pretend it is but when you are able to be arrested and charged for speech it's not free

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

Just that little thing called free speech.

free speech is something that is not allowed in this country we pretend it is but when you are able to be arrested and charged for speech it's not free"

And there was me thinking we could have a grown up conversation.

Free speech does exist. I've never been arrested for giving my honest opinion. And I'm willing to bet none of you have either.

And I believe it's nonsense to try to associate a war being fought and posting in a forum.

Just saying.

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

Just that little thing called free speech.

free speech is something that is not allowed in this country we pretend it is but when you are able to be arrested and charged for speech it's not free"

Free speech is allowed, hate speech is quite rightly banned. Two completely different forms of speech

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

Just that little thing called free speech.

free speech is something that is not allowed in this country we pretend it is but when you are able to be arrested and charged for speech it's not free

And there was me thinking we could have a grown up conversation.

Free speech does exist. I've never been arrested for giving my honest opinion. And I'm willing to bet none of you have either.

And I believe it's nonsense to try to associate a war being fought and posting in a forum.

Just saying."

It was you trying to assert that

Just saying

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

Just that little thing called free speech.

free speech is something that is not allowed in this country we pretend it is but when you are able to be arrested and charged for speech it's not free

And there was me thinking we could have a grown up conversation.

Free speech does exist. I've never been arrested for giving my honest opinion. And I'm willing to bet none of you have either.

And I believe it's nonsense to try to associate a war being fought and posting in a forum.

Just saying."
so your saying you don't know about folk being arrested for having far right or far left views or racial opinions ?

I bet you do its nearly that you agree with the restrictions being enforced.

When a body has the ability to restrict even abhorrent views it's no longer free speech

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

Just that little thing called free speech.

free speech is something that is not allowed in this country we pretend it is but when you are able to be arrested and charged for speech it's not free

And there was me thinking we could have a grown up conversation.

Free speech does exist. I've never been arrested for giving my honest opinion. And I'm willing to bet none of you have either.

And I believe it's nonsense to try to associate a war being fought and posting in a forum.

Just saying.

It was you trying to assert that

Just saying "

I guess we'll agree to disagree.

The joys of being adults

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

Just that little thing called free speech.

free speech is something that is not allowed in this country we pretend it is but when you are able to be arrested and charged for speech it's not free

And there was me thinking we could have a grown up conversation.

Free speech does exist. I've never been arrested for giving my honest opinion. And I'm willing to bet none of you have either.

And I believe it's nonsense to try to associate a war being fought and posting in a forum.

Just saying.so your saying you don't know about folk being arrested for having far right or far left views or racial opinions ?

I bet you do its nearly that you agree with the restrictions being enforced.

When a body has the ability to restrict even abhorrent views it's no longer free speech "

Jesus, quite a jump from squaddies looking for a shag to practically living in North Korea.

Put down the crack pipe and enjoy the rest of your Sunday.

Peace out mofos

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

Just that little thing called free speech.

free speech is something that is not allowed in this country we pretend it is but when you are able to be arrested and charged for speech it's not free

Free speech is allowed, hate speech is quite rightly banned. Two completely different forms of speech "
no speech is speech restricting speech pushes it underground talking about it gives an opportunity to educate and change

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By *elaxedcplCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel. "

Ok, I'll bite, which part of what I posted is drivel?

And the thought that some random mug who signed up to out their health in danger so I can post on an anonymous forum is hilarious!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

Ok, I'll bite, which part of what I posted is drivel?

And the thought that some random mug who signed up to out their health in danger so I can post on an anonymous forum is hilarious!

That you've lumped all soldiers together is the drivel part.

And at the behest of the wealthy who the people of the country voted in. Amazing how democracy works.

And you've missed the point of the free speech thing again.

But keep fighting the establishment guys.... I'm sure they read "anonymous forums".

Fishing rod is away for the day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At ease soldier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Erm...I never voted for this government

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

And there was me thinking it was attention ya craved

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By *eggyLeahCDTV/TS
over a year ago

liverpool

I respect the men and women that put their lives on the line...but despise the warmongers who use them as pawns for their own financial or political gains

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I currently serve as a member of the armed forces, just curious what everyone's opinions are of the armed forces and of people who serve in it

Thanks

Bet you’re glad your first post in the forums was so well received. It’s a tough gig so stick in there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ve had messages from coppers, nurses, medics, and firebobbies that have very early on told me their occupation and offered to show me their handcuffs/bedside manner/large hose....

"Awrite darlin'? Do you fancy an acturial calculation on your defined benefit pension transfer value?"

I'm moist

Incontinence doesn't count!

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By *elaxedcplCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

Ok, I'll bite, which part of what I posted is drivel?

And the thought that some random mug who signed up to out their health in danger so I can post on an anonymous forum is hilarious!

That you've lumped all soldiers together is the drivel part.

And at the behest of the wealthy who the people of the country voted in. Amazing how democracy works.

And you've missed the point of the free speech thing again.

But keep fighting the establishment guys.... I'm sure they read "anonymous forums".

Fishing rod is away for the day."

Did you miss my original post where I said "mostly"? There are some wealthy and career minded folk who do well out of a military career, the rest are mugs for volunteering to be political pawns and cannon fodder.

I didn't vote for this government and nobody outwith the Tory party voted Johnson. Democracy? You really that naive?

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By *ommickMan
over a year ago

ayr

"There like vegans, they soon tell you they are military.

Which make me assume they think it gives them some sort of entitlement.

We don’t have conscription so you chose your job just like anyone else on here and I don’t really care what that is either. "

well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I currently serve as a member of the armed forces, just curious what everyone's opinions are of the armed forces and of people who serve in it

Thanks

I think it's a great job you all do and yes, you all chose to do it as mentioned.....I for one am grateful that you did,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have every admiration for anyone who does certain jobs, such as our emergency service workers and our armed forces. However society does need everyone and people should always be valued whatever they do. In regard to your profile OP, as said above I think some employers do frown on employees being on here so openly and you may want to consider that... just a thought - happy fabbing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get a lot of messages saying “do you like military guys” . To me that’s like saying “ do I like guys with dark hair?”

It all depends the guy. It would worry me if the guys biggest selling point was that he was in the military lol

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By *unCpl1003Couple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Worked in a Army Camp 97% off them are absolute idiots 3% are ok

And the battalion I worked with for whatever were all shagging each other (true story) and doing also true

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By *unCpl1003Couple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Doing Coke*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I admit to having a soft spot for those in the forces I have my reasons why

A few of my fantasies involve them

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I currently serve as a member of the armed forces, just curious what everyone's opinions are of the armed forces and of people who serve in it

Thanks

I think it's a great job you all do and yes, you all chose to do it as mentioned.....I for one am grateful that you did,

I'm honoured

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a military category in hot pics. Best category by far!!

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By *intysucksdickMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

"I currently serve as a member of the armed forces, just curious what everyone's opinions are of the armed forces and of people who serve in it

Thanks

I’ve sucked a few soldiers on my time like to keep the lads happy while there keeping me safe .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love to meet a bunch of Military guys rather than just one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Worked in a Army Camp 97% off them are absolute idiots 3% are ok

And the battalion I worked with for whatever were all shagging each other (true story) and doing also true"

I just love hearing all the sex stories, especially the Navy ones

makes you see it all in a whole new light. It's true that the uniform is only part of the picture. Who is in it counts first and foremost, obviously.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

Army surplus store & a awesome rifle is what many try to fool ya with.

Defo just a pick up line for most

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By *hickinthewarmMan
over a year ago

Brecon

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games"

I thought I could buy my tongue here, but I can’t.

Who in the name of ever-loving fuck are you, and what do you know about the kind of person joins the military? Because it seems to me, that you have no clue. Let me educate you slightly.....

Your average soldier is a young teenage male, between 17 and 19, sometimes with a questionable upbringing, and very probably, a minimum standard of education, They join up, not for some heroic vision of ”saving the world” or that of ”protecting their country”, but because they most likely would have a hard time finding employment elsewhere. Simple financial gain, it makes the world go round.

The majority of them will do their 4 year contractual obligation, and leave. Those that excel in those 4 years will generally stay and attempt to climb the ladder.

We swear to carry out the wishes of the government of the day, that’s sort of a given. Sometimes that means we go to some rather unpleasant places, and make certain people die, but more often than not you’ll find the military used as aid to the civil authorities, flood assistance, covering fireman strikes, delivering fuel supplies around the country and to name but a few. We are the back-up plan for anything that goes wrong in the UK. “Let’s get The Army in, they will sort this out” is all to often heard echoing around Westminster.

Now, I’m not saying that every decision made regarding use of the UKs military power has been correct (I’m looking at you OP TELIC) some politicians are absolute reprobates, and shouldn’t be left in charge of a snack van, much less a military. But what I do know is that without our recent intervention in Iraq, IS would still have been running riot in that region of the world, and surely that’s not a bad thing?

I absolutely love being on deployment, I love the adrenaline rush of knowing that someone is trying to kill you, it literally is better than sex, like seriously. (Does that make me weird?) But let’s get one thing straight, I don’t continue to do so because it’s what the government wants, or because I feel I’m helping to ensure our security back in the UK or some bollocks. I do it for myself plain and simple, and for the men there with me. If anyone’s lives are improved even the slightest bit by my being there, well that’s a nice Brucey bonus isn’t it.

Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people you clearly have had little engagement with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I admit to having a soft spot for those in the forces I have my reasons why

A few of my fantasies involve them

I’m with you on that

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"Army surplus store & a awesome rifle is what many try to fool ya with.

Defo just a pick up line for most "
seen a good few with patches on wrong and rank is in wrong places also

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any woman out there who likes a man in uniform.

Give me a shout..

I've got a Spiderman outfit and i promise i wont drive ya up the wall.

Just sayin

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By *obertELeeMan
over a year ago

Montrose

"I served in my younger years ,and one of my son's joins in march . respect to all those people who serve and protect our country and way of life ."

Protect our country

your having a laugh.Take your head out of the sand and smell the coffee.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games

I thought I could buy my tongue here, but I can’t.

Who in the name of ever-loving fuck are you, and what do you know about the kind of person joins the military? Because it seems to me, that you have no clue. Let me educate you slightly.....

The majority of them will do their 4 year contractual obligation, and leave. Those that excel in those 4 years will generally stay and attempt to climb the ladder.

Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people you clearly have had little engagement with.

Brilliant reply mate

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By *ill dance for wineMan
over a year ago

Balloch

I served my time as a technician in the RAF, always look back and remember the good times and absolute shady stuff we got up to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games

I thought I could buy my tongue here, but I can’t.

Who in the name of ever-loving fuck are you, and what do you know about the kind of person joins the military? Because it seems to me, that you have no clue. Let me educate you slightly.....

The majority of them will do their 4 year contractual obligation, and leave. Those that excel in those 4 years will generally stay and attempt to climb the ladder.

Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people you clearly have had little engagement with.

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By *aledonianDoranMan
over a year ago

fife

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games

I thought I could buy my tongue here, but I can’t.

Who in the name of ever-loving fuck are you, and what do you know about the kind of person joins the military? Because it seems to me, that you have no clue. Let me educate you slightly.....

The majority of them will do their 4 year contractual obligation, and leave. Those that excel in those 4 years will generally stay and attempt to climb the ladder.

Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people you clearly have had little engagement with.

FYI let's not forget the girls, so it's firefighter and it'll be, the men and women you serve with, you're welcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Army surplus store & a awesome rifle is what many try to fool ya with.

Defo just a pick up line for most "

All my lovers send pictures of them on deployment, without asking I might add. Walters soon give themselves up.

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By *elaxedcplCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games

I thought I could buy my tongue here, but I can’t.

Who in the name of ever-loving fuck are you, and what do you know about the kind of person joins the military? Because it seems to me, that you have no clue. Let me educate you slightly.....

The majority of them will do their 4 year contractual obligation, and leave. Those that excel in those 4 years will generally stay and attempt to climb the ladder.

Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people you clearly have had little engagement with.

My you're intellectually challenged.

I have friends and family whi have been involved in the military and they know my thoughts and we enjoy the debate. You're bang on, some chose this "career" because they were limited in choice. Some remained and claimed the career ladder, one even manager sergeant after 24 years - thick bastard it has to be said. One is an army surgeon and managed to become a major, woohoo!

Iraq was a political lie. People were killed and that doesn't rest well with me but even worse, people were killed in the name of rich and powerful people flexing their political muscles.

You go ahead and get your adrenaline rush at the thought of ending lives in the name of....erm...nothing really. Trained psychopaths don't do much for me other than make me feel sick.

Love not kill.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games

I thought I could buy my tongue here, but I can’t.

Who in the name of ever-loving fuck are you, and what do you know about the kind of person joins the military? Because it seems to me, that you have no clue. Let me educate you slightly.....

The majority of them will do their 4 year contractual obligation, and leave. Those that excel in those 4 years will generally stay and attempt to climb the ladder.

Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people you clearly have had little engagement with.

My you're intellectually challenged.

Iraq was a political lie. People were killed and that doesn't rest well with me but even worse, people were killed in the name of rich and powerful people flexing their political muscles.

You go ahead and get your adrenaline rush at the thought of ending lives in the name of....erm...nothing really. Trained psychopaths don't do much for me other than make me feel sick.

Love not kill."

You're totally right, disband the military, have no defence, because the world is a beautiful peace loving place where everyone is friendly and huggy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was in the army. Signed on for 3 years but ended up doing just over 22. Its a job which suits some but most get out as soon as they can. I have a decent brain so promotion came easy. During the later years I found that 50% of the young lads joined up because they thought it was cool. They soon found out that tabbing for miles with kit while it was lashing down was far from cool. As i said most left as soon as their contract had finished.

It's just a job. I have only the one photo on display and it is me with a mate who is no longer here.

Yes I have some good memories but like my medals they are in a box in the back of a drawer.

Proud to of served but when youngsters ask about it I always say think hard about it. The reality is far from what you see on the tv. All these ex special forces guys bleed the same as anyone else.

Having said all that my son is now a lance jack in my old regiment. So i'm more proud of him than myself.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games

I thought I could buy my tongue here, but I can’t.

Who in the name of ever-loving fuck are you, and what do you know about the kind of person joins the military? Because it seems to me, that you have no clue. Let me educate you slightly.....

The majority of them will do their 4 year contractual obligation, and leave. Those that excel in those 4 years will generally stay and attempt to climb the ladder.

Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people you clearly have had little engagement with.

My you're intellectually challenged.

Iraq was a political lie. People were killed and that doesn't rest well with me but even worse, people were killed in the name of rich and powerful people flexing their political muscles.

You go ahead and get your adrenaline rush at the thought of ending lives in the name of....erm...nothing really. Trained psychopaths don't do much for me other than make me feel sick.

Love not kill."
you want to lay blame on the military and those serving yet what your complaint about is down to you the military doesn't get to chose policy makers that's the people do that so you are to blame for any illegal war as you see it

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games

I thought I could buy my tongue here, but I can’t.

Who in the name of ever-loving fuck are you, and what do you know about the kind of person joins the military? Because it seems to me, that you have no clue. Let me educate you slightly.....

The majority of them will do their 4 year contractual obligation, and leave. Those that excel in those 4 years will generally stay and attempt to climb the ladder.

Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people you clearly have had little engagement with.

My you're intellectually challenged.

Iraq was a political lie. People were killed and that doesn't rest well with me but even worse, people were killed in the name of rich and powerful people flexing their political muscles.

You go ahead and get your adrenaline rush at the thought of ending lives in the name of....erm...nothing really. Trained psychopaths don't do much for me other than make me feel sick.

Love not kill.you want to lay blame on the military and those serving yet what your complaint about is down to you the military doesn't get to chose policy makers that's the people do that so you are to blame for any illegal war as you see it"
Voters can't really be blamed for the illegal wars, how could anyone that voted for Tony the Liar Blair have foresaw that he would take us in to an illegal war for which the sole purpose was to steal Iraq's resources? All our recent wars and of course our next one Iran were and are going to be orchestrated as the multi nationals want the oil etc and the truth is our armed forces are now used as public funded private armies for the theft of resources and these people do not care about all the civilian casualties or indeed the lives of our own service men, it is nothing but corruption.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games

I thought I could buy my tongue here, but I can’t.

Who in the name of ever-loving fuck are you, and what do you know about the kind of person joins the military? Because it seems to me, that you have no clue. Let me educate you slightly.....

The majority of them will do their 4 year contractual obligation, and leave. Those that excel in those 4 years will generally stay and attempt to climb the ladder.

Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people you clearly have had little engagement with.

My you're intellectually challenged.

Iraq was a political lie. People were killed and that doesn't rest well with me but even worse, people were killed in the name of rich and powerful people flexing their political muscles.

You go ahead and get your adrenaline rush at the thought of ending lives in the name of....erm...nothing really. Trained psychopaths don't do much for me other than make me feel sick.

Love not kill.you want to lay blame on the military and those serving yet what your complaint about is down to you the military doesn't get to chose policy makers that's the people do that so you are to blame for any illegal war as you see it Voters can't really be blamed for the illegal wars, how could anyone that voted for Tony the Liar Blair have foresaw that he would take us in to an illegal war for which the sole purpose was to steal Iraq's resources? All our recent wars and of course our next one Iran were and are going to be orchestrated as the multi nationals want the oil etc and the truth is our armed forces are now used as public funded private armies for the theft of resources and these people do not care about all the civilian casualties or indeed the lives of our own service men, it is nothing but corruption."
that may be your opinion its definitely not mine.

another thing that kind of goes against what your saying is the military isn't a mindless automaton just doing as told there are clear defined things that the military follow so if a superior gives an unlawful order you don't do it.

It's easy to accept the blame you say we voted the muppet in not blame anyone and everyone else

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Mostly mugs who put their life on the line to do the behest of the wealthy people who play political games

I thought I could buy my tongue here, but I can’t.

Who in the name of ever-loving fuck are you, and what do you know about the kind of person joins the military? Because it seems to me, that you have no clue. Let me educate you slightly.....

The majority of them will do their 4 year contractual obligation, and leave. Those that excel in those 4 years will generally stay and attempt to climb the ladder.

Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations about a group of people you clearly have had little engagement with.

My you're intellectually challenged.

Iraq was a political lie. People were killed and that doesn't rest well with me but even worse, people were killed in the name of rich and powerful people flexing their political muscles.

You go ahead and get your adrenaline rush at the thought of ending lives in the name of....erm...nothing really. Trained psychopaths don't do much for me other than make me feel sick.

Love not kill.you want to lay blame on the military and those serving yet what your complaint about is down to you the military doesn't get to chose policy makers that's the people do that so you are to blame for any illegal war as you see it Voters can't really be blamed for the illegal wars, how could anyone that voted for Tony the Liar Blair have foresaw that he would take us in to an illegal war for which the sole purpose was to steal Iraq's resources? All our recent wars and of course our next one Iran were and are going to be orchestrated as the multi nationals want the oil etc and the truth is our armed forces are now used as public funded private armies for the theft of resources and these people do not care about all the civilian casualties or indeed the lives of our own service men, it is nothing but corruption.that may be your opinion its definitely not mine.

It's easy to accept the blame you say we voted the muppet in not blame anyone and everyone else"
It is certainly my opinion. Well by your definition they should have said we are not going to invade Iraq as it is an illegal and therefore an unlawful war . Also you should have told everyone what you saw in your crystal ball and let them know that Blair was going to start an illegal war and invade Iraq as I am sure apart from yourself not too many knew when they voted that he was going to do it.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Lol can see right through you. the conflict wasnt illegal at the time.

If you think the country is that bad move out and find the one that's right for you.

What is nasty is you having a pop at folk who in general join the forces to better themselves not because the are nope couldn't even use the terms that's been used.

Food for thought here peace has to be fought for

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Lol can see right through you. the conflict wasnt illegal at the time.

If you think the country is that bad move out and find the one that's right for you.

What is nasty is you having a pop at folk who in general join the forces to better themselves not because the are nope couldn't even use the terms that's been used.

Food for thought here peace has to be fought for "
What is REALLY nasty is you trying to make out I have done something that I have not there is not one word there suggesting that I am having a pop at people that join the forces I have worked alongside them a lot and have respect for them what I am having a pop at is those that use them for their own ends. And I am also sick of seeing that stupid soundbite If you don't like the country get. Out where did I say I don't like the country? I don't like the governments policies maybe. I have saw plenty of your posts and you do try and twist peoples words a lot and make it seem like they are saying something they are not but it won't work here now go back and have a good read and tell me where I have had a pop at those serving then get back to me and let me know. I resent you even suggesting that and know you wont quote those words as they are not there.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"Lol can see right through you. the conflict wasnt illegal at the time.

If you think the country is that bad move out and find the one that's right for you.

What is nasty is you having a pop at folk who in general join the forces to better themselves not because the are nope couldn't even use the terms that's been used.

Food for thought here peace has to be fought for What is REALLY nasty is you trying to make out I have done something that I have not there is not one word there suggesting that I am having a pop at people that join the forces I have worked alongside them a lot and have respect for them what I am having a pop at is those that use them for their own ends. And I am also sick of seeing that stupid soundbite If you don't like the country get. Out where did I say I don't like the country? I don't like the governments policies maybe. I have saw plenty of your posts and you do try and twist peoples words a lot and make it seem like they are saying something they are not but it won't work here now go back and have a good read and tell me where I have had a pop at those serving then get back to me and let me know. I resent you even suggesting that and know you wont quote those words as they are not there."
my mistake I thought with you quoting you were the other user who called anyone who joined names apologies

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

No problem Kola Kubes I was only wondering if

you saw that I did not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There like vegans, they soon tell you they are military.

Which make me assume they think it gives them some sort of entitlement.

We don’t have conscription so you chose your job just like anyone else on here and I don’t really care what that is either. "

That’s a bit of a sweeping statement. Methinks there may be a wee military chip on your shooder??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There like vegans, they soon tell you they are military.

Which make me assume they think it gives them some sort of entitlement.

What he said. In my younger days I was too busy chatting up women saying I was a British Airways pilot rather than say I was the guy that painted the lines on runways......sic

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By *our Loyal Oral ServantMan
over a year ago

Elgin

Dear me, what a palaver...

A lot of overworked egos and blistered fingers, everyone have a cup of tea and relax...

Ahhh, that’s better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My last thruppence worth is that any serving soldier on here who has his boaby stood to attention whilst in his combats “in the block “ really is opening himself up to the risk of being honey trapped by any undesirable.

The IRA may not be the major threat anymore but why stupidly set yourself up as an easy target?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Geezus christ people. Judgemental much. Like any profession some people are proud to be in forces, the same as some are proud to Lawyers , doctors, welders , bricklayers, hgv drivers, care worker, social workers . Ffs be proud of who you are and what you do regardless of other opinions if you do your job right . All these judges on their thrones dissing/putting down other professions.

No profession is perfect, true some only out for money (screw people over) , some work for big pharma companies (and lie about medications, vaccinations etc.... Etc...) , government with no moral high ground that have made choices that have screwed their own country over and highest rate of homelessness has hit) ,some get guilty criminals off when they should be in prison , carers, social workers turn a blind eye to abuse in looking after elderly /children. No profession is perfect all debatable.

Unless you are all sitting perfect try be a little more kind and less judgemental. A young person going in to the forces is sometimes a good option rather than the zero contract hours youngster are facing now or poverty. So a steady salary, roof over their head and food daily. I say a pretty good job to start with. Some kids leaving school have no opportunity to jump straight into employment as work is limited, so they end up no work and live off benefits all their life...

Forces actually help you more than you think, You get your licences from car to hgv licence, a trade, so when you leave forces and become a civilian, life is a bit easier than if they were trying to find work coming off benefits.

My hubby was in forces at 20 to provide for me and our daughter and continued until our 3rd child, being a stand in firefighter when strikes where happening, helping with sand sacks when floods hit the UK, we may not be for what the forces stand for but that isnt just what they are about, I'm not about what a lot of professions stand for buteach to their own.

When my hubby left to become a civilian, he started working as an hgv driver and still is, having 4 kids, 4 grandkids, a big house and everything we want I'd say he did pretty good being just a soldier lol.

These forums are brutal. Takes all the fun out of swinging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There like vegans, they soon tell you they are military.

Which make me assume they think it gives them some sort of entitlement.

We don’t have conscription so you chose your job just like anyone else on here and I don’t really care what that is either.

That’s a bit of a sweeping statement. Methinks there may be a wee military chip on your shooder??"

My comment was based on the messages I get on here where it’s first thing they tell you. Nothing more complicated than that.

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By *vcarolTV/TS
over a year ago

kilmarnockish

Two things;

Serving and ex serving should be credited with just a little bit more recognition than they do. Not quite to the extent of America, but a good deal more than they do at present.

Secondly, from a purely selfish and omg physical point of view..... nothing like a really fit guy - as most are- ‘entertaining’ you. And just about all have brill life experiences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gen not reading half of these comments cos I can guarantee they are negative.

My ex is forces and I love a man in uniform

Where I am I have am raf base and army base. I love it.

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By *ullpa72Man
over a year ago

Isle of Arran

"I served in my younger years ,and one of my son's joins in march . respect to all those people who serve and protect our country and way of life .

Protect our country

your having a laugh.Take your head out of the sand and smell the coffee."
Sir ,for your information I have smelt plenty of coffee.I would advise you to read a bit about our nation's history then come back and explain to me why our military is so unimportant !!

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By *ucky24Man
over a year ago

Lowestoft

"Geezus christ people. Judgemental much. Like any profession some people are proud to be in forces, the same as some are proud to Lawyers , doctors, welders , bricklayers, hgv drivers, care worker, social workers . Ffs be proud of who you are and what you do regardless of other opinions if you do your job right . All these judges on their thrones dissing/putting down other professions.

These forums are brutal. Takes all the fun out of swinging.

Think that sums it perfectly. There are good and bad in all walks of life.

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By *unlovingx2Couple
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Mugs."

Without wars you will get the unprincipled making money off of the backs of others. Many join the military to defend democracy, freedom and safety. Yeah most are patriotic, but if you think our forces are being used, i would put it to you that you are one of the cretins who vote in the govts, that use people prepared to die and defend us. I joined after the Falklands war, served in N Ireland, where we did save lots of innocent civilians being killed, I did a UN tour in Yugoslavia, and was involved tn the 1st Gulf war, all under the orders of our govt.

Until 89 we had the USSR threatening to burst through Germany.....and you think that people, perhaps inspired by family who served in both world wars, and the ensuing sense of duty...are not noble.

Get a grip, they do jobs that would make you piss your pants and cry for mummy. One of the best surgeons in Aberdeen is still on call, went in op Herrick,,,wonder if he is not noble.............. people who dont like our forces should just shut up, maybe even feel humble, that they live under the freedom many died protecting.

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By *unlovingx2Couple
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"I currently serve as a member of the armed forces, just curious what everyone's opinions are of the armed forces and of people who serve in it

Thanks

Best job in the world, you will meet the odd jealous civilian, where by trying to disguise their own lack of courage and self worth, will try and talk your job down.

You will find a kinship between our three armed services, the police, fire service, Prison service and frontline NHS, all full of NOBLE people with a sense of duty, people prepared to put that sense of duty and service, above that of a more comfortable, and profitable life.

So stand tall young man and remember, have respect for others, but our services are all better than us mere civis, because of that willingness to sacrifice for our sake.

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By *elaxedcplCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I currently serve as a member of the armed forces, just curious what everyone's opinions are of the armed forces and of people who serve in it

Thanks

Best job in the world, you will meet the odd jealous civilian, where by trying to disguise their own lack of courage and self worth, will try and talk your job down.

So stand tall young man and remember, have respect for others, but our services are all better than us mere civis, because of that willingness to sacrifice for our sake. "

Proud to be American or whatever brainwashed nation you choose to put your life on the line for

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By *cottishcockMan
over a year ago

glasgow

I recently left the MOS was in Army for 6 year now a bricklayer loved it x

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By *unning LinguistMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Bet u wish u hadnt asked OP...?

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By *ets go again!Man
over a year ago

paisley

I'm a veteran served 11 yrs got injured in 2006 and got md

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By *orayfunMan
over a year ago

Moray

Mugs."

I notice you signed off with Mugs.. I take thats your name

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

Territory and resources are fought over by every animal on this planet since the beginning of time.

Only difference between other animals and us is unnatural weaponisation.

Must admit although some do play the "I'm ex/forces card" to get some. It doesn't provide the same power as years ago. I do think it should be keep to yourself though cos info can be dangerous in the wrong hands, you don't know us either....could be a spy.

However, I loved being a cadet, going to bases, kicked out of bed in middle of night assault courses & especially "those" rooms that test the ultimate you.

Not even allowed to do that to cadets now.

Would of joined if it wasn't for becoming a mum young & at the time there was height limits etc despite being more than able to do what was required.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"A real mixed bag indeed lol.

I'm currently serving and have done for 19 years. Never once mentioned unless I'm asked what I do for a living. When asked "What are you up to today" chances are the answer is "just at work".

I do know there are people who use it to attract women, and that's because there are women attracted to soldiers/uniform.

Tarring us all with the same brush is very short sighted.

I know some brilliant guys. I also know plenty of bellends in my job.

The same as any job.

But to have a go at their reasons for doing the job is out of order.

A lot of wannabe politicians who reckon they're better than us on here.

I've never chosen a partner based on their job, political or religious stance.

Always chosen by whether they're a nice person or not..... how old fashioned of me!

Enjoy your Sunday folks."

The perfect response!

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Mugs.

Mugs who fight for your right and freedom to post such drivel.

What war did the military fight to enable forum posting?

Just that little thing called free speech.

You're talking nonsense now"

Very anti! Guessing you either got stitched up in some way by a bad egg, or have a very poor opinion of those who serve for other nefarious reasons? Maybe just take each one as an individual as all are different, the same as in the rest of society.