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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Ok. This is going to potentially be a controversial one so let's all play nice.

Twice now in recent weeks I've received messages from TS women using standard female profiles. It's something I've no interest in and have filters in place so as not to receive mail from TS. Both accounts stated in the text that they were TS so they weren't trying to hide it as such but it is a way to get round filters.

To me that's akin to me setting up a couples profile to get round No Single Male filters.

So......should TS females be allowed to use female profiles?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can you send the profiles! We are all about convincing TV/Ts/Tg... lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No..they shouldnt use female profiles.Imho

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By *anTouchThisCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Yes, they should.

There's no comparison with the single male/couple profile scenario given by the OP.

TS women are under no obligation to tell you they're TS, here or anywhere else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, they should.

There's no comparison with the single male/couple profile scenario given by the OP.

TS women are under no obligation to tell you they're TS, here or anywhere else."

It would probably be sensible to tell those they'd like to meet I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, they should.

There's no comparison with the single male/couple profile scenario given by the OP.

TS women are under no obligation to tell you they're TS, here or anywhere else.

It would probably be sensible to tell those they'd like to meet I think "

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By *elsbells2011Couple
over a year ago

fife

I've had this discussion with my wife's friend who has gone the whole way and is now a woman. Luckily she is very approachable and is very willing to discuss issues and even she agrees that a lot of trans people have a chip on their shoulder and rather than help the more naive of us to understand they just feel the need to argue. From what I gather she now fully identifies as a woman and if she were to use a dating site would do so under a woman's profile etc, Like has been previously posted a fully trans person has no need to disclose this as it's her CHOICE and she is aloud to express herself any way she wants. But as the op was saying it's also his personal CHOICE not to be interested in such a person who has been through this change. The blurred line for me is how can the op be allowed his chance to exercise his own personal choice when the profiles of the ts people do not state this. It almost becomes a catch 22 and if the ts person exercised their choice not to disclose then it removes the choice of the op to have the decision not to date. I don't think this is a sexist choice just the same as my wife won't meet skinhead men because it's just not her thing. Sorry for my naivety but it's very confusing to me. I understand people all have human rights and choices but it does become very confusing when if one person is exercising their personal human rights the direct impact of this is to remove or blur someone else's abilities to exercise their own rights also.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Helsbelles - excellent post.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

How do you filter out "women with a history" when they are quite entitled to label themselves simply as women?

Well, they did it for you by volunteering the fact. Their honesty became your filter.

No-one is in the wrong here.

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By *anTouchThisCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Fab is not removing anyone's right to have sex with anyone they find attractive (providing the other individual consents) by allowing TS men and women to use male and female profiles.

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By *elsbells2011Couple
over a year ago

fife

We aren't talking about past experiences though are we. Talking about physical presence. Blonde hair, dark hair. Fat, thin, tall, small. I'm pretty sure if you arranged to meet a blonde slim woman and a chubby dark haired guy turned up 95% wouldn't be happy because it's not what they chose to meet. If someone chooses not to meet a ts then surely it's their decision and the ts people should respect the fact instead of trying to force the fact they identify as which ever gender they choose. I understand people must be tolerant of ts people but this must work as a two way street and the ts community should also be tolerant that they may not be everyone's cup of tea.

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By *elsbells2011Couple
over a year ago

fife

We are a cpl male and female. I wouldn't message another profile that states they will not meet couples. Same if I see a profile of a single guy saying He is only looking to meet single females. No point in us messaging because we are clearly not what they are looking for. Got to respect what people are into. Would be wrong for us to message expecting them to meet or chat when they clearly state we are not what they looking for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get TV/TS looking at my profile and fabbing my pics, which of course is very flattering but I don't however have them message me as I have message filters on. My preference is just single men but we all know how difficult it is on this site to be accepted for who you are or who you want to be, whether you're a man, woman, couple or TV/TS. Be who you want and do what feels right for you, regardless of what other people think x

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By *awaiianguyMan
over a year ago

East Ayrshire

For me, there is a big difference between pre, and post op. I know it's only anatomy, but surely that matters more on a site like this, than a standard dating site.

However, wouldn't bother me at all for a social meet.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Folk can see themselves how they like i draw the line at attempts to force me to see it their way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Folk can see themselves how they like i draw the line at attempts to force me to see it their way"

Whos actually forcing ya ?

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"Folk can see themselves how they like i draw the line at attempts to force me to see it their way

Whos actually forcing ya ? "
i wrote attempts.

Hate speech laws is an example of control over speech

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People message people on here all the time when they shouldn’t. I get several messages a day from folk who clearly have not read my profile. It’s no different that this has happened to you OP. Another example is the amount of guys messaging straight men for sex. At least she did disclose it to you in personal messaging which in my opinion is correct. The lady concerned identifies as female and has undergone a huge physical and mental journey to be so. Legally she is correct to say she is female but morally I think it’s right she discloses her situation to anyone she wishes to meet.

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By *ast RolloMan
over a year ago

glasgow west

i agree with both sides of the argument but personally would not meet a transgender sexually as i think genetics has a big role to play. if you are born male then you are male no matter what the packaging shows.Im not going to get in to all the ethics of it as that is a mine field in its self ,but as has been said folk that want to meet a certain type can normally find that on here be it male female or martian or couple as long as those involved are up front with who or what they are .

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By *tew008Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

No real issue with who labels themselves as what.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve seen the profiles the OP is talking about and there’s no way these people should be listing themselves as women a blind man could see it’s a guy, ok it’s also obvious their going through the change but no way should they be listed as female.

I get folk saying their not obliged to say that their a TS but let’s put it another way if a man dresses as a female sets up a female profile and only wants to meet females is that not just a sneaky way for a single guy to meet a female that isn’t interested in meeting guys?

I’d rather a person was honest about who they are so that I can politely say no before meeting them and potentially cause offence.

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By *uzzy-LogicMan
over a year ago

Fochabers

Ok so this has been a big issue I have thought Fab has had for some time now.

Lack of diverse profile types, they put cd(crossdresser) tv(transvestite) and ts(transsexual) as one group which they clearly aren't. This is something that I would like to see fixed.

As to the OP post I think a trans person should be able to choose the profile type that they identify with. The message told him that the she was trans, she didn't have a female profile to try and deceive him. So I don't see an issue.

Those comparing this to a single guy pretending to be a couple, it's not the same and if you think it is you need to do some more reading and speak to some trans people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok so this has been a big issue I have thought Fab has had for some time now.

Lack of diverse profile types, they put cd(crossdresser) tv(transvestite) and ts(transsexual) as one group which they clearly aren't. This is something that I would like to see fixed.

As to the OP post I think a trans person should be able to choose the profile type that they identify with. The message told him that the she was trans, she didn't have a female profile to try and deceive him. So I don't see an issue.

Those comparing this to a single guy pretending to be a couple, it's not the same and if you think it is you need to do some more reading and speak to some trans people."

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By *irth VaderMan
over a year ago

glasgow


"Fab is not removing anyone's right to have sex with anyone they find attractive (providing the other individual consents) by allowing TS men and women to use male and female profiles."

Does it not fall under trades description act. It isn’t what it says on the tin M’lud.

I agree in most situations people’s gender identity is their own business but on a site like this I think we all have to be a little more honest. I see ladies asking for BBC and slim gym fit lads and I know I am neither so I don’t engage and if they had to contact me I would draw their attention to the fact I am an old grey haired fart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honesty is the best policy and I think unless you’re post op and fully living physically mentally and emotionally as female you should be honest in the profile description

I know lots of trans individuals who are at various stages of their journey and some do have a major chip on their shoulder and can often cause drama over nothing, they’ve been so used to fighting and being judged bullied and vilified they’re constantly on the defensive or more often than not the offensive from the very start, I can’t imagine what that is like but by misleading people and being confrontational it only causes more people to view the trans community in a judgmental and stereotypical way. It’s pretty hard to listen and understand people’s points of view when they’re ramming their views down your throats !

Wondering what the equivalent term for trans would be when I think bible bashers ? When people have such a strong belief in something they want to force everyone around them to be accepting and instead of drawing them in and sharing a journey that can be wonderful they send them running for the hills

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By *tew008Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

Just change gender field to free text.

Done

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By *tew008Man
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Just change gender field to free text.

Done"

I will be identifying as Thor but hey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just change gender field to free text.

Done

I will be identifying as Thor but hey "

Odin’s beard!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Some very interesting responses and all done in a civil manner so thank you.

I guess my contention is the ability to 'identify' but that's a far bigger topic well beyond the sphere of Fab.

Cheers all.

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

You did say they didn’t hide they were trans so maybe you could be more specific on your profile instead of just mentioning men and cross dressers. Presuming they read your profile first of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You did say they didn’t hide they were trans so maybe you could be more specific on your profile instead of just mentioning men and cross dressers. Presuming they read your profile first of course "

If someone still has a cock then they're still a man by most folks definition

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By *40ffCouple
over a year ago

Anstruther

If they identify as a female they should use a female profile as that's what makes them comfortable the person who sent the msg isn't trying to hide anything so didn't do anything wrong let people be who they want we all want happiness in life so live and let live as long as no harm is being caused or someone is being dishonest about gender it's fine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they have had the op yeah by all means go with a female profile.

If not no...

Simple.

You are what you are if you still have your bits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you were assigned Male at birth and had a life changing operation, surely it would be in the best interests to disclose that prior to meeting.

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea

if anyone is living as a woman they have the right to call themselves a woman

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By *elsbells2011Couple
over a year ago

fife


"if anyone is living as a woman they have the right to call themselves a woman"

I understand this but the point I was trying to make is that surely it would also be my right to choose not to date someone who used to be a man?????

But if they did not tell me they used to be a man then thus removing my right to make my decisions.

At what point does their rights have priority over mine????

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

You both have rights.

If this is so important to you, add a line to your profile saying you are not interested in transsexuals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You both have rights.

If this is so important to you, add a line to your profile saying you are not interested in transsexuals."
but isn't that the OPs point..its a filters thats being abused.

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By *lair101TV/TS
over a year ago

Aberdeen, westhill

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By *lair101TV/TS
over a year ago

Aberdeen, westhill


"If they have had the op yeah by all means go with a female profile.

If not no...

Simple.

You are what you are if you still have your bits."

Agreed. Had the op, and legally changed your name.. Its fine. Should still mention it though before a meet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, they should.

There's no comparison with the single male/couple profile scenario given by the OP.

TS women are under no obligation to tell you they're TS, here or anywhere else."

I would say from a personal safety issue, theirs, that they should IF they plan to meet. Some people will be ok with it, others not so much and that opens up a real possibility of risk.

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea


"if anyone is living as a woman they have the right to call themselves a woman

I understand this but the point I was trying to make is that surely it would also be my right to choose not to date someone who used to be a man?????

But if they did not tell me they used to be a man then thus removing my right to make my decisions.

At what point does their rights have priority over mine????"

That’s not taking any rights away from you it’s a personal identity. That’s for them and no one else

You are not forced into dating or having sex with anyone you don’t want to, what is really the problem here is understanding people’s choices, we all have them and that’s how it should be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they have had the op yeah by all means go with a female profile.

If not no...

Simple.

You are what you are if you still have your bits."

I agree with you on this. As long as there is still male genitalia, he's still a man and even if he does have that operation, you can't change what sex you were born as and what's on your birth certificate x

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By *elsbells2011Couple
over a year ago

fife


"if anyone is living as a woman they have the right to call themselves a woman

I understand this but the point I was trying to make is that surely it would also be my right to choose not to date someone who used to be a man?????

But if they did not tell me they used to be a man then thus removing my right to make my decisions.

At what point does their rights have priority over mine????

That’s not taking any rights away from you it’s a personal identity. That’s for them and no one else

You are not forced into dating or having sex with anyone you don’t want to, what is really the problem here is understanding people’s choices, we all have them and that’s how it should be "

Don't think you get what I mean, Personally I would not date someone who used to be a man, my point is that when you say they have no reason to tell anyone they used to be a man because it's their right then how am I supposed to make my decision when I'm not given this information? If they tell me they are female then unless it's blatantly obvious then I would decide to meet them only to find out later that they used to be male and by that time it's too late.

Surely for somebody to make a decision they need to know the information beforehand so they can choose?

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea


"if anyone is living as a woman they have the right to call themselves a woman

I understand this but the point I was trying to make is that surely it would also be my right to choose not to date someone who used to be a man?????

But if they did not tell me they used to be a man then thus removing my right to make my decisions.

At what point does their rights have priority over mine????

That’s not taking any rights away from you it’s a personal identity. That’s for them and no one else

You are not forced into dating or having sex with anyone you don’t want to, what is really the problem here is understanding people’s choices, we all have them and that’s how it should be

Don't think you get what I mean, Personally I would not date someone who used to be a man, my point is that when you say they have no reason to tell anyone they used to be a man because it's their right then how am I supposed to make my decision when I'm not given this information? If they tell me they are female then unless it's blatantly obvious then I would decide to meet them only to find out later that they used to be male and by that time it's too late.

Surely for somebody to make a decision they need to know the information beforehand so they can choose?"

If you fancy them why would it matter if they was once born a man, if it was a very feminine transsexual that was post op that really didn’t want to keep the label of “I used to be a bloke” and you met them and you fancied them rotten why should it really matter, they are not a man now nor will ever be again and possibly never really was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't that like a guy having the clap before but not telling you?

Everyone has the right to make decisions based on the facts surely?

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By *elsbells2011Couple
over a year ago

fife


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If you fancy them why would it matter if they was once born a man, if it was a very feminine transsexual that was post op that really didn’t want to keep the label of “I used to be a bloke” and you met them and you fancied them rotten why should it really matter, they are not a man now nor will ever be again and possibly never really was "
.

Of course it matters because that's not my thing. Just like anal and swingers clubs aren't my thing either you can't just totally undermine someone's personal choice because it makes your argument easier. Example my wife has a phobia of false teeth. She has actually turned down guys she's seriously liked in the past because of this phobia. Might seem trivial and stupid to you but to her it's a big issue. It's a very blurry line but people seem to shift goal posts all the time to fit in with whatever argument at the time. No point shouting about people's rights and personal choices when the argument is in your favour then completely undermine their views and choices in your next breath. Surely you don't think it's perfectly ok for a ts to have the right to call themselves a full blown female with no obligation to disclose this to a potential partner because it's their right to do so but on the other hand you think the potential partner has no rights to choose whether they would consider even entertain a ts relationship because it "shouldn't matter". That's just utter madness and very one sided

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"if anyone is living as a woman they have the right to call themselves a woman

I understand this but the point I was trying to make is that surely it would also be my right to choose not to date someone who used to be a man?????

But if they did not tell me they used to be a man then thus removing my right to make my decisions.

At what point does their rights have priority over mine????"

I think The person the OP is talking about did disclose in a message, his point was they got through his filters by having a female profile. There was no dishonesty or withholding of information except OP is questioning their use of a female profile

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea


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If you fancy them why would it matter if they was once born a man, if it was a very feminine transsexual that was post op that really didn’t want to keep the label of “I used to be a bloke” and you met them and you fancied them rotten why should it really matter, they are not a man now nor will ever be again and possibly never really was .

Of course it matters because that's not my thing. Just like anal and swingers clubs aren't my thing either you can't just totally undermine someone's personal choice because it makes your argument easier. Example my wife has a phobia of false teeth. She has actually turned down guys she's seriously liked in the past because of this phobia. Might seem trivial and stupid to you but to her it's a big issue. It's a very blurry line but people seem to shift goal posts all the time to fit in with whatever argument at the time. No point shouting about people's rights and personal choices when the argument is in your favour then completely undermine their views and choices in your next breath. Surely you don't think it's perfectly ok for a ts to have the right to call themselves a full blown female with no obligation to disclose this to a potential partner because it's their right to do so but on the other hand you think the potential partner has no rights to choose whether they would consider even entertain a ts relationship because it "shouldn't matter". That's just utter madness and very one sided"

No I don’t think they should feel they need to tell anything to anyone if they don’t want to

Why can’t they not be just a female without having to put out any personal information statements? it seems to me they can’t move away from a painful past if it’s something that is required to be spoken about continuously

I'm sure a good few would never want to remember the nightmare they have had to endure, a date with a person or a coffee or a sex meet you don't really need to know everything about the person pasts that’s for serious relationships. a persons past is just that it’s the past anyway all that matters is what the person is today

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

So by your maxim i should be able to identify as a 6'4 black hung alien from zarg and it should be accepted as truth.

Now you could say but thats not plausible and therein lies the problem for many for lots of reasons folk wont accept people changing gender and thats there choice somone stating they are female/male when they were/are born a diffrent gender for some is a step to far and by not being truthful you remove their choice in whether they want interaction with a person of any type you want to feel sympathy for the persons wishing to change gender but you want to run roughshod over anyone with a diffrent opinion is laughable as you just create more and moe marginal groups

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham


"if anyone is living as a woman they have the right to call themselves a woman"

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By *elsbells2011Couple
over a year ago

fife


"So by your maxim i should be able to identify as a 6'4 black hung alien from zarg and it should be accepted as truth.

Now you could say but thats not plausible and therein lies the problem for many for lots of reasons folk wont accept people changing gender and thats there choice somone stating they are female/male when they were/are born a diffrent gender for some is a step to far and by not being truthful you remove their choice in whether they want interaction with a person of any type you want to feel sympathy for the persons wishing to change gender but you want to run roughshod over anyone with a diffrent opinion is laughable as you just create more and moe marginal groups "

You seem to be viewing this very one sided. So what would be your advice to the person who would choose not to even consider a meet with a ts person, Is it just hard luck if they find themselves chatting / meeting with a ts who hasn't disclosed. I see on your profile you won't meet smokers? Going by your previous posts I'd assume you would think it was ok for a smoker to not disclose this on their profile because then that would rule them out for a meet with you. Once you met them and they sparked up a fag I'm guessing you would be perfectly fine because what does it really matter. Thus them not disclosing this info on their profile has removed your ability to exercise your choices.

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea


"So by your maxim i should be able to identify as a 6'4 black hung alien from zarg and it should be accepted as truth.

Now you could say but thats not plausible and therein lies the problem for many for lots of reasons folk wont accept people changing gender and thats there choice somone stating they are female/male when they were/are born a diffrent gender for some is a step to far and by not being truthful you remove their choice in whether they want interaction with a person of any type you want to feel sympathy for the persons wishing to change gender but you want to run roughshod over anyone with a diffrent opinion is laughable as you just create more and moe marginal groups "

Yes absolutely if you can somehow change yourself into a 6’4 black alien then why not

many people totally reinvent themselves transform into totally different people

Ok a little extreme but how’s this for an alternative view!

You are 20 years old and your mother said to you “hey cola cube I’m sorry but btw we wasn’t quite sure if you was a boy or a girl so you had an operation to remove some bits as a child and the vitamins we gave you growing up was actually hormones but we always thought you was a boy and obviously you was ultimately meant to be a boy”

Now would you be willing to write in your profile btw I was possibly born a girl? Just in case it totally puts people off, makes people feel a bit sick or possibly makes anyone feel anything homophonic I thought I’d better inform you all

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By *elsbells2011Couple
over a year ago

fife

Ah well while we are at i I actually identify as a 67 year old man so please can I have my bus pass and claim my state pension.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"So by your maxim i should be able to identify as a 6'4 black hung alien from zarg and it should be accepted as truth.

Now you could say but thats not plausible and therein lies the problem for many for lots of reasons folk wont accept people changing gender and thats there choice somone stating they are female/male when they were/are born a diffrent gender for some is a step to far and by not being truthful you remove their choice in whether they want interaction with a person of any type you want to feel sympathy for the persons wishing to change gender but you want to run roughshod over anyone with a diffrent opinion is laughable as you just create more and moe marginal groups

You seem to be viewing this very one sided. So what would be your advice to the person who would choose not to even consider a meet with a ts person, Is it just hard luck if they find themselves chatting / meeting with a ts who hasn't disclosed. I see on your profile you won't meet smokers? Going by your previous posts I'd assume you would think it was ok for a smoker to not disclose this on their profile because then that would rule them out for a meet with you. Once you met them and they sparked up a fag I'm guessing you would be perfectly fine because what does it really matter. Thus them not disclosing this info on their profile has removed your ability to exercise your choices.

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lol you may need to re read what ive written and my profile dosnt say wont meet amokers hell only stopped myself 3 yrs ago

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Yes absolutely if you can somehow change yourself into a 6’4 black alien then why not

I never said i would change myself into for many removal of bits dosnt change your gender.

many people totally reinvent themselves transform into totally different people

And many dont believe it possible to reinvent

Ok a little extreme but how’s this for an alternative view!

You are 20 years old and your mother said to you “hey cola cube I’m sorry but btw we wasn’t quite sure if you was a boy or a girl so you had an operation to remove some bits as a child and the vitamins we gave you growing up was actually hormones but we always thought you was a boy and obviously you was ultimately meant to be a boy”

Now would you be willing to write in your profile btw I was possibly born a girl? Just in case it totally puts people off, makes people feel a bit sick or possibly makes anyone feel anything homophonic I thought I’d better inform you all ehhh try reading what you wrote its completly impossible.

Im not against anyone but imo everyone should have their choice and it should never be removed to make a minority happy.

So whats the harm in a tv ts marking their profile as such thats part of them and those that seek that can find them easier

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By *elsbells2011Couple
over a year ago

fife


"So by your maxim i should be able to identify as a 6'4 black hung alien from zarg and it should be accepted as truth.

Now you could say but thats not plausible and therein lies the problem for many for lots of reasons folk wont accept people changing gender and thats there choice somone stating they are female/male when they were/are born a diffrent gender for some is a step to far and by not being truthful you remove their choice in whether they want interaction with a person of any type you want to feel sympathy for the persons wishing to change gender but you want to run roughshod over anyone with a diffrent opinion is laughable as you just create more and moe marginal groups

You seem to be viewing this very one sided. So what would be your advice to the person who would choose not to even consider a meet with a ts person, Is it just hard luck if they find themselves chatting / meeting with a ts who hasn't disclosed. I see on your profile you won't meet smokers? Going by your previous posts I'd assume you would think it was ok for a smoker to not disclose this on their profile because then that would rule them out for a meet with you. Once you met them and they sparked up a fag I'm guessing you would be perfectly fine because what does it really matter. Thus them not disclosing this info on their profile has removed your ability to exercise your choices.

lol you may need to re read what ive written and my profile dosnt say wont meet amokers hell only stopped myself 3 yrs ago "
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My apologies that comment wasn't aimed at you I just quoted the wrong comment lol. I actually 100% agree with all your comments just got a bit muddled when I hit the quote and comment button lol

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Guessed that lol

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By *parkle13Woman
over a year ago

Dundee

Its when u see verifications on a TVs and it says SHE took it good ect no HE did if there a dick it's a him no matter what ...

and think u go on a date with a stunner and he/she gets naked and has a dick and tits ..??what do you do if u disnt know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its when u see verifications on a TVs and it says SHE took it good ect no HE did if there a dick it's a him no matter what ...

and think u go on a date with a stunner and he/she gets naked and has a dick and tits ..??what do you do if u disnt know"

Was kinda my point further up. I know a guy this happened to in Turin. Needless to say he wasn’t happy when he discovered that fact. Rightly so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep had this. Most annoying. Dont 'identify' as female yet have a female profile... Trade description violation right there.. Lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You could say the straight guys that are looking to meet or have played with TVs and state straight in their profiles are also misleading potential future meets also.

Folk on fab lie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brings me back to the guy I used to see last year. Had straight on his profile but likes to meet TV/TS. That's not straight, that's at the very least bi curious. Fast forward to February this year and changed his sexuality to bi curious. He was lying to himself the whole time x

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"Brings me back to the guy I used to see last year. Had straight on his profile but likes to meet TV/TS. That's not straight, that's at the very least bi curious. Fast forward to February this year and changed his sexuality to bi curious. He was lying to himself the whole time x"

That’s the thing, sometimes they lie to themselves more than others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brings me back to the guy I used to see last year. Had straight on his profile but likes to meet TV/TS. That's not straight, that's at the very least bi curious. Fast forward to February this year and changed his sexuality to bi curious. He was lying to himself the whole time x

That’s the thing, sometimes they lie to themselves more than others "

Yip and he's never had another meet since me and since he changed his sexuality x

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"Brings me back to the guy I used to see last year. Had straight on his profile but likes to meet TV/TS. That's not straight, that's at the very least bi curious. Fast forward to February this year and changed his sexuality to bi curious. He was lying to himself the whole time x

That’s the thing, sometimes they lie to themselves more than others

Yip and he's never had another meet since me and since he changed his sexuality x"

Seems odd, did it put you off?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brings me back to the guy I used to see last year. Had straight on his profile but likes to meet TV/TS. That's not straight, that's at the very least bi curious. Fast forward to February this year and changed his sexuality to bi curious. He was lying to himself the whole time x

That’s the thing, sometimes they lie to themselves more than others

Yip and he's never had another meet since me and since he changed his sexuality x

Seems odd, did it put you off? "

Well not every woman wants to meet bi men, I don't and yes it did put me off I'm afraid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brings me back to the guy I used to see last year. Had straight on his profile but likes to meet TV/TS. That's not straight, that's at the very least bi curious. Fast forward to February this year and changed his sexuality to bi curious. He was lying to himself the whole time x

That’s the thing, sometimes they lie to themselves more than others

Yip and he's never had another meet since me and since he changed his sexuality x

Seems odd, did it put you off?

Well not every woman wants to meet bi men, I don't and yes it did put me off I'm afraid "

Was there not a bit of a clue if you knew he had previously met tv/ts?

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"Brings me back to the guy I used to see last year. Had straight on his profile but likes to meet TV/TS. That's not straight, that's at the very least bi curious. Fast forward to February this year and changed his sexuality to bi curious. He was lying to himself the whole time x

That’s the thing, sometimes they lie to themselves more than others

Yip and he's never had another meet since me and since he changed his sexuality x

Seems odd, did it put you off?

Well not every woman wants to meet bi men, I don't and yes it did put me off I'm afraid "

He should have been honest initially as he would have had a curiosity before he set his profile up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brings me back to the guy I used to see last year. Had straight on his profile but likes to meet TV/TS. That's not straight, that's at the very least bi curious. Fast forward to February this year and changed his sexuality to bi curious. He was lying to himself the whole time x

That’s the thing, sometimes they lie to themselves more than others

Yip and he's never had another meet since me and since he changed his sexuality x

Seems odd, did it put you off?

Well not every woman wants to meet bi men, I don't and yes it did put me off I'm afraid

He should have been honest initially as he would have had a curiosity before he set his profile up "

He always had a curiosity over the years and he's met them in Thailand too so enjoys being in their company. He did tell me when we met as it's in his profile anyway x

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By *izzmasterzeroMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I think people have to be 100% honest with this topic. I agree that a trans woman doesn't need to tell anybody anything about their past and if I did know then I would accept you for who you are with no problems, I will treat and refer to you as a woman if that's what you want, but the moment something is sexual then you gotta be 100% honest because there is a world of difference between a woman and a trans woman, they are not the same thing and hiding that kinda information from a sexual partner is just sneaky and wrong, as far as I can tell the only reason you wouldn't be honest about something like that is because you know you'd run the risk of being rejected, basically hiding the truth in order to get what you want not caring who you hurt along the way, that could seriously psychologically fuck with someone's mind finding out your not what you say you are after having sex. Again, live life how you want, new found friends or work colleagues don't have to know anything but be honest with sexual partners even if it is just a one night stand.

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By *ersatile-1Man
over a year ago

stirlingshire

Like the end of some like it hot...

“Nobody’s perfect”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people have to be 100% honest with this topic. I agree that a trans woman doesn't need to tell anybody anything about their past and if I did know then I would accept you for who you are with no problems, I will treat and refer to you as a woman if that's what you want, but the moment something is sexual then you gotta be 100% honest because there is a world of difference between a woman and a trans woman, they are not the same thing and hiding that kinda information from a sexual partner is just sneaky and wrong, as far as I can tell the only reason you wouldn't be honest about something like that is because you know you'd run the risk of being rejected, basically hiding the truth in order to get what you want not caring who you hurt along the way, that could seriously psychologically fuck with someone's mind finding out your not what you say you are after having sex. Again, live life how you want, new found friends or work colleagues don't have to know anything but be honest with sexual partners even if it is just a one night stand."
well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people have to be 100% honest with this topic. I agree that a trans woman doesn't need to tell anybody anything about their past and if I did know then I would accept you for who you are with no problems, I will treat and refer to you as a woman if that's what you want, but the moment something is sexual then you gotta be 100% honest because there is a world of difference between a woman and a trans woman, they are not the same thing and hiding that kinda information from a sexual partner is just sneaky and wrong, as far as I can tell the only reason you wouldn't be honest about something like that is because you know you'd run the risk of being rejected, basically hiding the truth in order to get what you want not caring who you hurt along the way, that could seriously psychologically fuck with someone's mind finding out your not what you say you are after having sex. Again, live life how you want, new found friends or work colleagues don't have to know anything but be honest with sexual partners even if it is just a one night stand."

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

All is irrelevant. If someone doesn’t want to talk to you or shag you, it’s their choice. It’s all about choice.

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By *ail_forceTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

"straight males" are the most deceptive people on the website, perhaps more should be done to curtail their exploits. like if they message another "straight male" their profile gets changed to bi lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No utterly no! just say what you are and be who you are xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

very well said xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people have to be 100% honest with this topic. I agree that a trans woman doesn't need to tell anybody anything about their past and if I did know then I would accept you for who you are with no problems, I will treat and refer to you as a woman if that's what you want, but the moment something is sexual then you gotta be 100% honest because there is a world of difference between a woman and a trans woman, they are not the same thing and hiding that kinda information from a sexual partner is just sneaky and wrong, as far as I can tell the only reason you wouldn't be honest about something like that is because you know you'd run the risk of being rejected, basically hiding the truth in order to get what you want not caring who you hurt along the way, that could seriously psychologically fuck with someone's mind finding out your not what you say you are after having sex. Again, live life how you want, new found friends or work colleagues don't have to know anything but be honest with sexual partners even if it is just a one night stand.

very well said xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""straight males" are the most deceptive people on the website, perhaps more should be done to curtail their exploits. like if they message another "straight male" their profile gets changed to bi lol.

"

That's a wee bit harsh. Not every message exchange is about fucking the other person

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley


"You did say they didn’t hide they were trans so maybe you could be more specific on your profile instead of just mentioning men and cross dressers. Presuming they read your profile first of course

If someone still has a cock then they're still a man by most folks definition "

Some trans females can’t transition fully because of medical reasons. I have a trans friend who had cancer and can’t fully transition because she can’t take the hormones as there’s a high risk the cancer would come back.

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By *ail_forceTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee


""straight males" are the most deceptive people on the website, perhaps more should be done to curtail their exploits. like if they message another "straight male" their profile gets changed to bi lol.

That's a wee bit harsh. Not every message exchange is about fucking the other person "

It's not harsh, this entire thread is harsh. Just giving back as good as I get.

trans women setting up female profiles is a small problem, probably like 20 at the most on the entire site - there's an entire mountain of lies behind straight guys on this site that goes unquestioned. in other words, just another way of putting down trans people to deflect away from what is the biggest problem on this site - lying arseholes en masse.

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By *ail_forceTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee


""straight males" are the most deceptive people on the website, perhaps more should be done to curtail their exploits. like if they message another "straight male" their profile gets changed to bi lol.

That's a wee bit harsh. Not every message exchange is about fucking the other person

It's not harsh, this entire thread is harsh. Just giving back as good as I get.

trans women setting up female profiles is a small problem, probably like 20 at the most on the entire site - there's an entire mountain of lies behind straight guys on this site that goes unquestioned. in other words, just another way of putting down trans people to deflect away from what is the biggest problem on this site - lying arseholes en masse."

oh and just to clarify, I don't like the fact that society makes men feel so insecure that they have to hide their sexuality, but policing trans profiles would only further stigmatise non hetero activities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2 wrongs dont make a right tho?

Not just guys lie on fab chicks do also.wether its age height weight boobs loads of things!!

If everyone knows the facts then it's up to the individual to say yes or no.

I think that's the point the OP was making.

It's not a trans bash by any means.

It's a fab loophole just as bi guys get round also.

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea


"You did say they didn’t hide they were trans so maybe you could be more specific on your profile instead of just mentioning men and cross dressers. Presuming they read your profile first of course

If someone still has a cock then they're still a man by most folks definition

Some trans females can’t transition fully because of medical reasons. I have a trans friend who had cancer and can’t fully transition because she can’t take the hormones as there’s a high risk the cancer would come back. "

That’s a shame hope she’s ok, and it’s a hell of a big op for anyone and a few will not be able for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone who is trans is legally allowed to identify as a male or female without discrimination the tv/ts label is out dated and needs to change, tv/ts is not the same thing imo and it creates too much confusion.

Many guys like me think Trans girls are hot but TV or CD aren't their cup of tea and it means a lot of people miss out on potential meets as a result.

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