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"Highest drugs deaths per head of population in the world. Hang your heads in shame Scottish government. Minimum alcohol policy has driven our young to the cheap 2pound tablet traders who have welcomed them with open arms. Instead of a four quid bottle of cheap cider it's 2 dodgy tablets from an unknown source. Drugs statistics will soar. People on drugs are victims not criminals." Wo wo woe, So your saying the people that were alcoholics are now priced out the market and hence turning to drugs. Ok lets look at that in a litlle detail. Alcoholism lasts many many years until the kidneys fail usualy then death. It affects families and children for many many years and traumatises children for many many years. Alcoholism is a massive drain on our struggling NHS and treatments for many many years. It overloads our social services and staff through children needing to be removed from homes due to violent alcoholics. This is just some of what i, a non professional on the subject can think of . Now lets weigh this up about this VICTIM drug dealer you speak of, again they have the option of saying no but your point was , they cant afford alcohol due to pricing so their choice now is drugs, so saying no is pretty much ruled out, im sure you will agree on that. Well if they take this bad drug you speak of then all the problems i spoke of above re alcoholism are taken away and life goes on if the worst should happen to a drug addict and his family and children. Sry mate but a quick death and less children and families suffering for many years is better than years of suffering . My opinion wont be popular and thats ok but it is my opinion.  | |||
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" Also when judging a mum who is taking meth - she has worked damn hard to get off heroin or whatever so she can look after her kids while probably having social work scrutinising everything she does, well good on her I say. I never had to work that hard to keep my kids but she did so credit where it’s due. " Theres a few points i could make but to save going OTT i will just comment on this part. You never had to work that hard CG because you never chose to put your children at risk by taking drugs. Damn right social work should be scrutinizing every little move she makes. Sry but if she wants credit from me she needs to be off the meths too and thinking of her child firstly instead of her own needs. And this i do have experience of from my childrens panel days.  | |||
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" Theres a few points i could make but to save going OTT i will just comment on this part. You never had to work that hard CG because you never chose to put your children at risk by taking drugs. Damn right social work should be scrutinizing every little move she makes. Sry but if she wants credit from me she needs to be off the meths too and thinking of her child firstly instead of her own needs. And this i do have experience of from my childrens panel days. "I am not saying she shouldn’t have SW involved I am just saying it is an added pressure. Nobody particularly chooses to be an addict or alcoholic. I am also not saying you condone what they do but a simple smile could make all the difference to a person and may be just the inspiration for them to keep trying. Maybe she is working to come off the meth but stigma and judgement from society does not help with that. Not arguing just putting a point of view across. | |||
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"Highest drugs deaths per head of population in the world. Hang your heads in shame Scottish government. Minimum alcohol policy has driven our young to the cheap 2pound tablet traders who have welcomed them with open arms. Instead of a four quid bottle of cheap cider it's 2 dodgy tablets from an unknown source. Drugs statistics will soar. People on drugs are victims not criminals." The young age group had the least amount of deaths. | |||
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"Nah...Not victims You make the choice " Harsh and unsympathetic... | |||
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"Highest drugs deaths per head of population in the world. Hang your heads in shame Scottish government. Minimum alcohol policy has driven our young to the cheap 2pound tablet traders who have welcomed them with open arms. Instead of a four quid bottle of cheap cider it's 2 dodgy tablets from an unknown source. Drugs statistics will soar. People on drugs are victims not criminals. Wo wo woe, So your saying the people that were alcoholics are now priced out the market and hence turning to drugs. Ok lets look at that in a litlle detail. Alcoholism lasts many many years until the kidneys fail usualy then death. It affects families and children for many many years and traumatises children for many many years. Alcoholism is a massive drain on our struggling NHS and treatments for many many years. It overloads our social services and staff through children needing to be removed from homes due to violent alcoholics. This is just some of what i, a non professional on the subject can think of . Now lets weigh this up about this VICTIM drug dealer you speak of, again they have the option of saying no but your point was , they cant afford alcohol due to pricing so their choice now is drugs, so saying no is pretty much ruled out, im sure you will agree on that. Well if they take this bad drug you speak of then all the problems i spoke of above re alcoholism are taken away and life goes on if the worst should happen to a drug addict and his family and children. Sry mate but a quick death and less children and families suffering for many years is better than years of suffering . My opinion wont be popular and thats ok but it is my opinion. "Sorry my point is mainly the young kids starting out before they become addicts but they are being steered down a dangerous road and are easy prey. | |||
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"It’s actually in Europe as opposed to the world not that that is much better. Yes the govt could do more but so can society. people look down their noses at addicts in the chemist getting their meth - they are treated as inhumane which most certainly does not help their road to recovery. These people have more than likely been through some traumatic times in their lives and feel shit enough without people looking down at them. Not saying trust them with your purse but at least be civil. Also when judging a mum who is taking meth - she has worked damn hard to get off heroin or whatever so she can look after her kids while probably having social work scrutinising everything she does, well good on her I say. I never had to work that hard to keep my kids but she did so credit where it’s due. Sorry I will get off my soap box now but just think it could be your child, sibling or friend who is in that position one day surely you would want people to have some compassion for them. " Yes Europe but also I believe the world of any country where accurate records are kept. | |||
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"Drug deaths are up because all the addicts who got chucked on methadone 20+ yrs ago are now middle aged and got huge co morbidities issues because They are maintained on methadone (in its self that’s an addiction) and never helped off it " Spot on and now we will see a sheep herd of the young heading the same way starting out on cheap 2pounders or even cheaper I've just been told? probably just to get them started.... | |||
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"Drug deaths are up because all the addicts who got chucked on methadone 20+ yrs ago are now middle aged and got huge co morbidities issues because They are maintained on methadone (in its self that’s an addiction) and never helped off it Spot on and now we will see a sheep herd of the young heading the same way starting out on cheap 2pounders or even cheaper I've just been told? probably just to get them started...." But thats brings us back to oldies first point then, if your OP was not aimed at addicts already then these young people your now referring to have the choice to say no surely. You cant argue both sides of the coin. But i dont see either way how that makes it the scittish governments policy on alcohol pricing has to do with either scenario. ? | |||
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"Drug deaths are up because all the addicts who got chucked on methadone 20+ yrs ago are now middle aged and got huge co morbidities issues because They are maintained on methadone (in its self that’s an addiction) and never helped off it Spot on and now we will see a sheep herd of the young heading the same way starting out on cheap 2pounders or even cheaper I've just been told? probably just to get them started...." Believe you me anyone who works in health care and has anything to do with addicts will tell you that it’s been coming for years, addicts are moved onto methadone which is just a legalised version of their addiction. They are maintained and never weaned off it. Then when they become used to it they start supplementing it with other things. The government keeping adding things to the classified drug schedules (tramadol and gabapentin being 2 recent additions) but that doesn’t help, it just gives them a street value. Addiction services in this country are broken (not because of the people who work in it they are doing best they can) because bureaucrats have buried their heads in the sand for to long. | |||
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"Drug deaths are up because all the addicts who got chucked on methadone 20+ yrs ago are now middle aged and got huge co morbidities issues because They are maintained on methadone (in its self that’s an addiction) and never helped off it Spot on and now we will see a sheep herd of the young heading the same way starting out on cheap 2pounders or even cheaper I've just been told? probably just to get them started.... Believe you me anyone who works in health care and has anything to do with addicts will tell you that it’s been coming for years, addicts are moved onto methadone which is just a legalised version of their addiction. They are maintained and never weaned off it. Then when they become used to it they start supplementing it with other things. The government keeping adding things to the classified drug schedules (tramadol and gabapentin being 2 recent additions) but that doesn’t help, it just gives them a street value. Addiction services in this country are broken (not because of the people who work in it they are doing best they can) because bureaucrats have buried their heads in the sand for to long. " Yeah, I work in healthcare and this is pretty much spot on. | |||
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"Johann Hari.....very interesting take on addiction, it's causes and how to deal with it. Have a wee nosey at his TED talk....may change a few opinions." Is he the guy who was done for plagiarism? Names familiar... | |||
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"Drug deaths are up because all the addicts who got chucked on methadone 20+ yrs ago are now middle aged and got huge co morbidities issues because They are maintained on methadone (in its self that’s an addiction) and never helped off it Spot on and now we will see a sheep herd of the young heading the same way starting out on cheap 2pounders or even cheaper I've just been told? probably just to get them started.... Believe you me anyone who works in health care and has anything to do with addicts will tell you that it’s been coming for years, addicts are moved onto methadone which is just a legalised version of their addiction. They are maintained and never weaned off it. Then when they become used to it they start supplementing it with other things. The government keeping adding things to the classified drug schedules (tramadol and gabapentin being 2 recent additions) but that doesn’t help, it just gives them a street value. Addiction services in this country are broken (not because of the people who work in it they are doing best they can) because bureaucrats have buried their heads in the sand for to long. Yeah, I work in healthcare and this is pretty much spot on. "It’s terrible eh, worked in vascular surgery for years looking after the ones who stuck needles (usually dirty ones) in wrong places. Got a good friend who works in addiction services and I feel for him as it sounds horrific | |||
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"Drug deaths are up because all the addicts who got chucked on methadone 20+ yrs ago are now middle aged and got huge co morbidities issues because They are maintained on methadone (in its self that’s an addiction) and never helped off it Spot on and now we will see a sheep herd of the young heading the same way starting out on cheap 2pounders or even cheaper I've just been told? probably just to get them started.... Believe you me anyone who works in health care and has anything to do with addicts will tell you that it’s been coming for years, addicts are moved onto methadone which is just a legalised version of their addiction. They are maintained and never weaned off it. Then when they become used to it they start supplementing it with other things. The government keeping adding things to the classified drug schedules (tramadol and gabapentin being 2 recent additions) but that doesn’t help, it just gives them a street value. Addiction services in this country are broken (not because of the people who work in it they are doing best they can) because bureaucrats have buried their heads in the sand for to long. Yeah, I work in healthcare and this is pretty much spot on.
It’s terrible eh, worked in vascular surgery for years looking after the ones who stuck needles (usually dirty ones) in wrong places. Got a good friend who works in addiction services and I feel for him as it sounds horrific "I've been doing this for nearly 20 years, it gets worse every year. I counsel addicts too, it's heartbreaking. | |||
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"Drug deaths are up because all the addicts who got chucked on methadone 20+ yrs ago are now middle aged and got huge co morbidities issues because They are maintained on methadone (in its self that’s an addiction) and never helped off it Spot on and now we will see a sheep herd of the young heading the same way starting out on cheap 2pounders or even cheaper I've just been told? probably just to get them started.... Believe you me anyone who works in health care and has anything to do with addicts will tell you that it’s been coming for years, addicts are moved onto methadone which is just a legalised version of their addiction. They are maintained and never weaned off it. Then when they become used to it they start supplementing it with other things. The government keeping adding things to the classified drug schedules (tramadol and gabapentin being 2 recent additions) but that doesn’t help, it just gives them a street value. Addiction services in this country are broken (not because of the people who work in it they are doing best they can) because bureaucrats have buried their heads in the sand for to long. Yeah, I work in healthcare and this is pretty much spot on.
It’s terrible eh, worked in vascular surgery for years looking after the ones who stuck needles (usually dirty ones) in wrong places. Got a good friend who works in addiction services and I feel for him as it sounds horrific
I've been doing this for nearly 20 years, it gets worse every year. I counsel addicts too, it's heartbreaking. "I take my hat off to you, I moved away from that area and now specialise in something different but it makes me sad. Don’t even pretend to know the answers but having watched friends from school fall into addiction (and some not survive) I just know whatever these bureaucrats think is the answer is most definitely not it. People in frontline need help to deal with this and work out a solution | |||
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" Sry mate but a quick death and less children and families suffering for many years is better than years of suffering . My opinion wont be popular and thats ok but it is my opinion. "I think the suffering would probably continue after the quick death | |||
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" Sry mate but a quick death and less children and families suffering for many years is better than years of suffering . My opinion wont be popular and thats ok but it is my opinion.
I think the suffering would probably continue after the quick death "Yes of course it would , goes without saying but the family would not suffer to watch the alcoholics life ebb away over 20 years or perhaps less not to mention the mental suffering they would have to go through for that 20 years too. Like i say my opinion only | |||
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"What happens to alcoholics when the cost of alcohol goes up is the same that happened to smokers as cigarettes price went up. They spend less on other essentials like food ect, to still buy the alcohol. With regards to the younger generation when drinking it is spirits; which despite the minimum price per unit are still cheap, rather than beer, cider and/or wine. As a group across the UK the current younger generation are drinking less then those that have gone before. The pub most nights after work has been in decline for past decade and now is largely dead. This shift happened long before the minimum price per unit. With regards to them turning to drugs due to cost of alcohol is not the case. They are taking drugs at a similar rate to previous generations but the drugs they are taking has changed. As restrictions on base components increased the people making the drugs use less safe componds. Also due to economic factors they are cutting the drugs thinner to make more profit. This issue is exacerbated by the flawed way in which drugs are treated as a criminal problem instead of a social and health problem; which they are. Just my opinion of course. " | |||
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" Sry mate but a quick death and less children and families suffering for many years is better than years of suffering . My opinion wont be popular and thats ok but it is my opinion.
I think the suffering would probably continue after the quick death
Yes of course it would , goes without saying but the family would not suffer to watch the alcoholics life ebb away over 20 years or perhaps less not to mention the mental suffering they would have to go through for that 20 years too. Like i say my opinion only"But younger kids might grow up without a parent. Both situations sound equally traumatic tbh | |||
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" Sry mate but a quick death and less children and families suffering for many years is better than years of suffering . My opinion wont be popular and thats ok but it is my opinion.
I think the suffering would probably continue after the quick death
Yes of course it would , goes without saying but the family would not suffer to watch the alcoholics life ebb away over 20 years or perhaps less not to mention the mental suffering they would have to go through for that 20 years too. Like i say my opinion only
But younger kids might grow up without a parent. Both situations sound equally traumatic tbh"Do you think ? A younger kid loses his drug addict dad and lives a life with 1 caring parent or that child living in his house with an alcoholic father till hes 16. I wont even try to enhance my viewpoint with horror stories that could come from the latter option. You think both are equally horrific scenarios. I disagree so will agree to disagree with you and leave it there. | |||
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" Sry mate but a quick death and less children and families suffering for many years is better than years of suffering . My opinion wont be popular and thats ok but it is my opinion.
I think the suffering would probably continue after the quick death
Yes of course it would , goes without saying but the family would not suffer to watch the alcoholics life ebb away over 20 years or perhaps less not to mention the mental suffering they would have to go through for that 20 years too. Like i say my opinion only
But younger kids might grow up without a parent. Both situations sound equally traumatic tbh
Do you think ? A younger kid loses his drug addict dad and lives a life with 1 caring parent or that child living in his house with an alcoholic father till hes 16. I wont even try to enhance my viewpoint with horror stories that could come from the latter option.
You think both are equally horrific scenarios. I disagree so will agree to disagree with you and leave it there. "To be honest I can see both points of view. I am aware of a person with children to a man with mental health issues (no addictions) which is affecting the children and mum genuinely isn’t sure which scenario is better (in her words) are my kids better grieving for a dead dad or having a shit one alive? And genuinely nobody can answer that as both parents are a child’s sense of identity no matter how good or bad and if they are alive there can be hope for change, if they are dead then there is no hope of understanding who their parent was to understand who they are. | |||
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" Sry mate but a quick death and less children and families suffering for many years is better than years of suffering . My opinion wont be popular and thats ok but it is my opinion.
I think the suffering would probably continue after the quick death
Yes of course it would , goes without saying but the family would not suffer to watch the alcoholics life ebb away over 20 years or perhaps less not to mention the mental suffering they would have to go through for that 20 years too. Like i say my opinion only
But younger kids might grow up without a parent. Both situations sound equally traumatic tbh
Do you think ? A younger kid loses his drug addict dad and lives a life with 1 caring parent or that child living in his house with an alcoholic father till hes 16. I wont even try to enhance my viewpoint with horror stories that could come from the latter option.
You think both are equally horrific scenarios. I disagree so will agree to disagree with you and leave it there. "The word I used was traumatic, not horrific | |||
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"Sorry they are .they are choosing drugs or drink over their children. End of." Have you never made a bad choice? Not a dig, but do you really think people make a choice to indulge in something that could potentially fuck up their health, their looks, their family, without there being a set of circumstances that led to that choice? | |||
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"Sorry they are .they are choosing drugs or drink over their children. End of." Not in all cases, your very hard ....kids adore there parents regardless and in alot of cases the parents try their best, would you say a parent who had cancer is bad parent because they are struggling to cope? no ! So why say someone who maybe afflicted by addiction is ? | |||
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"Of course But you need to learn from them. Folk that choose to keep putting a needle in their arm or choosing to keep drinking are choosing that over stopping for their kids. " The choice kinda disappears once it's an addiction | |||
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"why do i bother clicking on these forum posts? always rife with judgmental arseholes. " Hey I'll judge you Gail lol your hot hot hot .... | |||
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"If people become addicted to alcohol or drugs . Its been their choice , those people allowed the addiction to become them, no one held a gun to anyone's head and forced them into it. If people become an alcoholic or drug addict and have children theyve choose drink and drugs over their kids. Its as simple as that. People choose what they want to do, what they , love , what they hate and also choose to have children. If you choose to have children you give up all bad habits the minute you want to reproduce or fall pregnant. Plain and simple . So many people in the world go through some really shitty times In their life and I know I've had that many shitty life changing things happen to myself and family but my children where always my first thought. Never for one minute thought drink or drugs would solve my issues , bring someone back from the dead or reverse time to avoid bad things happening . Sw need to up their game , too many kids loosing their lives because incompetent parent/parents . If you choose drink or drugs , you shouldn't be allowed children until you are clean for at least 5 years . Sorry my opinion , if parents loose children to the system as bad as the system is it's their own fault no sympathy at all because they didn't give their kids a thought so I won't give them one. I'm hard but children first inches they've moved out living their own life do as you please until them life is devoted to kids." Must be great to be perfect!!! | |||
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"why do i bother clicking on these forum posts? always rife with judgmental arseholes. " Did you just judge us and call us assholes because we have opinions. Pot and kettle eh.  | |||
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"Until not inches ??" And where exactly would you like social work to place all these children you are talking about. Would you like to foster them as the local authorities are crying out for decent foster carers all over the country or shall we put them all in a big institution so they feel like a reject of society. Also there is the financial side too as foster caters have to be paid for their job (and every penny they earn they deserve as it’s a vocation not a job) A lot of us sit in our comfy homes and judge (human nature I suppose) but do we put our money where our mouths are and help out - no we don’t as it’s not ‘our problem’. | |||
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"Until not inches ?? And where exactly would you like social work to place all these children you are talking about. Would you like to foster them as the local authorities are crying out for decent foster carers all over the country or shall we put them all in a big institution so they feel like a reject of society. Also there is the financial side too as foster caters have to be paid for their job (and every penny they earn they deserve as it’s a vocation not a job) A lot of us sit in our comfy homes and judge (human nature I suppose) but do we put our money where our mouths are and help out - no we don’t as it’s not ‘our problem’. " Some of us do what little we can around our own family lives. Other point , yes social work should find places , how about building accommodations and education facilities to home these kids and fund it from the proceeds of crime , ie selling ALL the drug dealers assets houses cars , fuckin everything except the clothes they wear. Do that and theres your funding, do that and theres your deterent to deal drugs, do that and theres a lot of drugs off the streets as it becomes not worth it to be caught, do that and the parents dont get drugs so easily, do that and the kids dont get removed in the first place. Break the cycle . | |||
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"Until not inches ?? And where exactly would you like social work to place all these children you are talking about. Would you like to foster them as the local authorities are crying out for decent foster carers all over the country or shall we put them all in a big institution so they feel like a reject of society. Also there is the financial side too as foster caters have to be paid for their job (and every penny they earn they deserve as it’s a vocation not a job) A lot of us sit in our comfy homes and judge (human nature I suppose) but do we put our money where our mouths are and help out - no we don’t as it’s not ‘our problem’. Some of us do what little we can around our own family lives. Other point , yes social work should find places , how about building accommodations and education facilities to home these kids and fund it from the proceeds of crime , ie selling ALL the drug dealers assets houses cars , fuckin everything except the clothes they wear. Do that and theres your funding, do that and theres your deterent to deal drugs, do that and theres a lot of drugs off the streets as it becomes not worth it to be caught, do that and the parents dont get drugs so easily, do that and the kids dont get removed in the first place. Break the cycle . " Dealers have assets seized if they're convicted. And having the children of addicts essentially institutionalized would do nothing but cause a whole other kind of social harm | |||
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"Of course But you need to learn from them. Folk that choose to keep putting a needle in their arm or choosing to keep drinking are choosing that over stopping for their kids. The choice kinda disappears once it's an addiction " They still had the choice though in the beginning. I wonder if a child gets the same choices , a good parent and more than likely a happy childhood or drug addict parent. But no they dont get that choice do they. Someone mentioned kids can be happy with an alcoholic parent, thats because young kids have the ability to show something called unconditional love, they are born with it. Shame as we get older we lose that ability to show unconditional love and choose to love drugs and alcohol over any offspring. | |||
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"Of course But you need to learn from them. Folk that choose to keep putting a needle in their arm or choosing to keep drinking are choosing that over stopping for their kids. The choice kinda disappears once it's an addiction They still had the choice though in the beginning. I wonder if a child gets the same choices , a good parent and more than likely a happy childhood or drug addict parent. But no they dont get that choice do they. Someone mentioned kids can be happy with an alcoholic parent, thats because young kids have the ability to show something called unconditional love, they are born with it. Shame as we get older we lose that ability to show unconditional love and choose to love drugs and alcohol over any offspring. " It comes as no big surprise that you no longer sit on the children's panel | |||
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"Of course But you need to learn from them. Folk that choose to keep putting a needle in their arm or choosing to keep drinking are choosing that over stopping for their kids. The choice kinda disappears once it's an addiction They still had the choice though in the beginning. I wonder if a child gets the same choices , a good parent and more than likely a happy childhood or drug addict parent. But no they dont get that choice do they. Someone mentioned kids can be happy with an alcoholic parent, thats because young kids have the ability to show something called unconditional love, they are born with it. Shame as we get older we lose that ability to show unconditional love and choose to love drugs and alcohol over any offspring. It comes as no big surprise that you no longer sit on the children's panel "why is that , cant wait to hear this lol.  | |||
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"Of course But you need to learn from them. Folk that choose to keep putting a needle in their arm or choosing to keep drinking are choosing that over stopping for their kids. The choice kinda disappears once it's an addiction They still had the choice though in the beginning. I wonder if a child gets the same choices , a good parent and more than likely a happy childhood or drug addict parent. But no they dont get that choice do they. Someone mentioned kids can be happy with an alcoholic parent, thats because young kids have the ability to show something called unconditional love, they are born with it. Shame as we get older we lose that ability to show unconditional love and choose to love drugs and alcohol over any offspring. It comes as no big surprise that you no longer sit on the children's panel why is that , cant wait to hear this lol. "You display attitudes that seem incompatible to ones I thought would be desirable for such a role | |||
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"Of course But you need to learn from them. Folk that choose to keep putting a needle in their arm or choosing to keep drinking are choosing that over stopping for their kids. The choice kinda disappears once it's an addiction They still had the choice though in the beginning. I wonder if a child gets the same choices , a good parent and more than likely a happy childhood or drug addict parent. But no they dont get that choice do they. Someone mentioned kids can be happy with an alcoholic parent, thats because young kids have the ability to show something called unconditional love, they are born with it. Shame as we get older we lose that ability to show unconditional love and choose to love drugs and alcohol over any offspring. It comes as no big surprise that you no longer sit on the children's panel why is that , cant wait to hear this lol.
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"It's all over the thread, so no explanation from me needed" So are you talking about my attitude to drug or alcohilic parents ,plz tell me thats what you mean. | |||
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"Of course But you need to learn from them. Folk that choose to keep putting a needle in their arm or choosing to keep drinking are choosing that over stopping for their kids. The choice kinda disappears once it's an addiction They still had the choice though in the beginning. I wonder if a child gets the same choices , a good parent and more than likely a happy childhood or drug addict parent. But no they dont get that choice do they. Someone mentioned kids can be happy with an alcoholic parent, thats because young kids have the ability to show something called unconditional love, they are born with it. Shame as we get older we lose that ability to show unconditional love and choose to love drugs and alcohol over any offspring. It comes as no big surprise that you no longer sit on the children's panel why is that , cant wait to hear this lol.
You display attitudes that seem incompatible to ones I thought would be desirable for such a role ohh no you need to explain what attitude you are referring to plz"To be fair to _e devil although we may differ on points but I generally think he speaks quite lucid and has a good understanding of points and is generally fair minded .... | |||
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"Of course But you need to learn from them. Folk that choose to keep putting a needle in their arm or choosing to keep drinking are choosing that over stopping for their kids. The choice kinda disappears once it's an addiction They still had the choice though in the beginning. I wonder if a child gets the same choices , a good parent and more than likely a happy childhood or drug addict parent. But no they dont get that choice do they. Someone mentioned kids can be happy with an alcoholic parent, thats because young kids have the ability to show something called unconditional love, they are born with it. Shame as we get older we lose that ability to show unconditional love and choose to love drugs and alcohol over any offspring. It comes as no big surprise that you no longer sit on the children's panel why is that , cant wait to hear this lol.
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"Not at any point did I say i was perfect but ffs man how can anyone justify choosing drink or drugs over kids or family . Eg: 4 years ago a father and son were attacked walking home from shop and the father left for dead by two brothers, local drug dealers who were celebrating the younger brothers news he was going to be a dad. So high as f and totally intoxicated , decided to take someone else dad out no regard for others then attack a 16 year-old once they stamped and jumped on his dad head. Leaving the father for dead and having to be resuscitated 3 times before coming back . Sympathy??? f all sympathy for druggies and alcoholics who have absolutely no regards for others. Do they care for people they put in harm's way . Very much doubt it . So don't call me up . Perfect in comparison you are damn right, perfect mum here here !!! " You speak of two individuals not for the main body of drug/drink users, of course their are incidents like this and users are more likely to blame.but you get ordinary people carrying out horrendous crimes with no addiction need I expand ... | |||
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"Fyi that's as few years ago and he's back to normal . Brain retrained , healthier diet exercise and his old self again so incase anyone wondering if I'm on here whilst poor hubby is at home unbeknown to him hahha he is all good and on here with me " Glad he has come through it and hope you have a long and happy swinging life for the future. Thx for saying why this topic is so important to you personally. Xx | |||
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"If people become addicted to alcohol or drugs . Its been their choice , those people allowed the addiction to become them, no one held a gun to anyone's head and forced them into it. If people become an alcoholic or drug addict and have children theyve choose drink and drugs over their kids. Its as simple as that. People choose what they want to do, what they , love , what they hate and also choose to have children. If you choose to have children you give up all bad habits the minute you want to reproduce or fall pregnant. Plain and simple . So many people in the world go through some really shitty times In their life and I know I've had that many shitty life changing things happen to myself and family but my children where always my first thought. Never for one minute thought drink or drugs would solve my issues , bring someone back from the dead or reverse time to avoid bad things happening . Sw need to up their game , too many kids loosing their lives because incompetent parent/parents . If you choose drink or drugs , you shouldn't be allowed children until you are clean for at least 5 years . Sorry my opinion , if parents loose children to the system as bad as the system is it's their own fault no sympathy at all because they didn't give their kids a thought so I won't give them one. I'm hard but children first inches they've moved out living their own life do as you please until them life is devoted to kids. Must be great to be perfect!!! Many outwardly respectable people have drug and alcohol problems too. It's not just your junkies and jaikies we are talking about here. So much judgement on what should be looked at as a social and welfare problem. I have never done drugs and drink very little but would never judge those who do. High powered job...stressful day...wee wine with dinner. Take a good hard look at your own habits. We are all addicted to something. Coffee. Cakes. Sex. But these are not frowned upon. Why??" Probably because none of those things you mention destroys family members lives other than themselves and thier own addictions. Unless you count extra marital sex of course . | |||
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"If people become addicted to alcohol or drugs . Its been their choice , those people allowed the addiction to become them, no one held a gun to anyone's head and forced them into it. If people become an alcoholic or drug addict and have children theyve choose drink and drugs over their kids. Its as simple as that. People choose what they want to do, what they , love , what they hate and also choose to have children. If you choose to have children you give up all bad habits the minute you want to reproduce or fall pregnant. Plain and simple . So many people in the world go through some really shitty times In their life and I know I've had that many shitty life changing things happen to myself and family but my children where always my first thought. Never for one minute thought drink or drugs would solve my issues , bring someone back from the dead or reverse time to avoid bad things happening . Sw need to up their game , too many kids loosing their lives because incompetent parent/parents . If you choose drink or drugs , you shouldn't be allowed children until you are clean for at least 5 years . Sorry my opinion , if parents loose children to the system as bad as the system is it's their own fault no sympathy at all because they didn't give their kids a thought so I won't give them one. I'm hard but children first inches they've moved out living their own life do as you please until them life is devoted to kids. Must be great to be perfect!!! Many outwardly respectable people have drug and alcohol problems too. It's not just your junkies and jaikies we are talking about here. So much judgement on what should be looked at as a social and welfare problem. I have never done drugs and drink very little but would never judge those who do. High powered job...stressful day...wee wine with dinner. Take a good hard look at your own habits. We are all addicted to something. Coffee. Cakes. Sex. But these are not frowned upon. Why?? Probably because none of those things you mention destroys family members lives other than themselves and thier own addictions. Unless you count extra marital sex of course . "Wasnt actually having a dig at anyone. Only pointing out that everyone has addictions and some people "control" them to the outside world and you would never know. What happens to their kids...nothing as nobody raises an eyebrow as all looks "normal". It's easy to judge the outwardly dysfunctional families but a high percentage have social or welfare issues and need help not judgement. Addiction in any form is not good whether it be alcohol or seemingly innocent cakes Glad your partner had strong support network around him knowing what was required to help him through difficult time. | |||
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"Fyi that's as few years ago and he's back to normal . Brain retrained , healthier diet exercise and his old self again so incase anyone wondering if I'm on here whilst poor hubby is at home unbeknown to him hahha he is all good and on here with me " Firstly I am truly sorry you experienced that as a family and I am glad you have all managed to overcome it together. It's great your partner overcame his issues with alcohol and probably a lot of that is down to both your strength of character, strong family values and determination. A lot of people do not have those things in life to depend on and neither do they have access to fund a healthy diet as healthy food is more costly. Also I will add you did not stop your husband from seeing his children for 5 years after he stopped drinking like you wanted for other parents. | |||
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"Fyi that's as few years ago and he's back to normal . Brain retrained , healthier diet exercise and his old self again so incase anyone wondering if I'm on here whilst poor hubby is at home unbeknown to him hahha he is all good and on here with me Firstly I am truly sorry you experienced that as a family and I am glad you have all managed to overcome it together. It's great your partner overcame his issues with alcohol and probably a lot of that is down to both your strength of character, strong family values and determination. A lot of people do not have those things in life to depend on and neither do they have access to fund a healthy diet as healthy food is more costly. Also I will add you did not stop your husband from seeing his children for 5 years after he stopped drinking like you wanted for other parents." Explain how you think a healthy diet is more costly as i disagree. | |||
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"Fyi that's as few years ago and he's back to normal . Brain retrained , healthier diet exercise and his old self again so incase anyone wondering if I'm on here whilst poor hubby is at home unbeknown to him hahha he is all good and on here with me Firstly I am truly sorry you experienced that as a family and I am glad you have all managed to overcome it together. It's great your partner overcame his issues with alcohol and probably a lot of that is down to both your strength of character, strong family values and determination. A lot of people do not have those things in life to depend on and neither do they have access to fund a healthy diet as healthy food is more costly. Also I will add you did not stop your husband from seeing his children for 5 years after he stopped drinking like you wanted for other parents. Explain how you think a healthy diet is more costly as i disagree." got to agree a healthy diet is only more costly in time its cheaper than proccesed meals | |||
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"Can I clear something up no the court stopped him seeing me and his children . I had no control over that. I would have stopped him seeing his kids if he didn't stop the drink . I failed for a while because I thought I could fix him alone where my health was deteriorating , too busy making sure kids were fine and trying to avoid fights by trying to change the subject or make him change what he was argueing about or take him outside to talk/ fight in our garden seated area , so I forgot to look after me and failed at being stronger sooner . So don't put condescending judgement on me . " Maybe the other addicts you were quick to condemn have an equally tragic story to tell and you could spare some compassion for them | |||
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"Can I clear something up no the court stopped him seeing me and his children . I had no control over that. I would have stopped him seeing his kids if he didn't stop the drink . I failed for a while because I thought I could fix him alone where my health was deteriorating , too busy making sure kids were fine and trying to avoid fights by trying to change the subject or make him change what he was argueing about or take him outside to talk/ fight in our garden seated area , so I forgot to look after me and failed at being stronger sooner . So don't put condescending judgement on me . " I dont think anyone was being condacending to you, people are just discussing a subject that is highly emotive to you, me as well by the way. You were also a victim of your husbands attack but i do agree to an extent you have to have an open mind to others situations. And it is merely opinions in here not many have out and out digs at others during discussions. | |||
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"Can I clear something up no the court stopped him seeing me and his children . I had no control over that. I would have stopped him seeing his kids if he didn't stop the drink . I failed for a while because I thought I could fix him alone where my health was deteriorating , too busy making sure kids were fine and trying to avoid fights by trying to change the subject or make him change what he was argueing about or take him outside to talk/ fight in our garden seated area , so I forgot to look after me and failed at being stronger sooner . So don't put condescending judgement on me . Maybe the other addicts you were quick to condemn have an equally tragic story to tell and you could spare some compassion for them " You were pretty quick to have a view about my childrens panel history. You never did explain why though. | |||
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"Can I clear something up no the court stopped him seeing me and his children . I had no control over that. I would have stopped him seeing his kids if he didn't stop the drink . I failed for a while because I thought I could fix him alone where my health was deteriorating , too busy making sure kids were fine and trying to avoid fights by trying to change the subject or make him change what he was argueing about or take him outside to talk/ fight in our garden seated area , so I forgot to look after me and failed at being stronger sooner . So don't put condescending judgement on me . Maybe the other addicts you were quick to condemn have an equally tragic story to tell and you could spare some compassion for them You were pretty quick to have a view about my childrens panel history. You never did explain why though. "I don't think you display a compassionate attitude | |||
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"Can I clear something up no the court stopped him seeing me and his children . I had no control over that. I would have stopped him seeing his kids if he didn't stop the drink . I failed for a while because I thought I could fix him alone where my health was deteriorating , too busy making sure kids were fine and trying to avoid fights by trying to change the subject or make him change what he was argueing about or take him outside to talk/ fight in our garden seated area , so I forgot to look after me and failed at being stronger sooner . So don't put condescending judgement on me . Maybe the other addicts you were quick to condemn have an equally tragic story to tell and you could spare some compassion for them You were pretty quick to have a view about my childrens panel history. You never did explain why though.
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"Can I clear something up no the court stopped him seeing me and his children . I had no control over that. I would have stopped him seeing his kids if he didn't stop the drink . I failed for a while because I thought I could fix him alone where my health was deteriorating , too busy making sure kids were fine and trying to avoid fights by trying to change the subject or make him change what he was argueing about or take him outside to talk/ fight in our garden seated area , so I forgot to look after me and failed at being stronger sooner . So don't put condescending judgement on me . Maybe the other addicts you were quick to condemn have an equally tragic story to tell and you could spare some compassion for them You were pretty quick to have a view about my childrens panel history. You never did explain why though.
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" I dont think anyone was being condacending to you, people are just discussing a subject that is highly emotive to you, me as well by the way. You were also a victim of your husbands attack but i do agree to an extent you have to have an open mind to others situations. And it is merely opinions in here not many have out and out digs at others during discussions. "Dare I say it but I think I may agree with you Devil but don’t worry I’m sure it will be a one off!! 
I was not judging you except in a positive way and nobody is perfect so doing what you thought was right for everyone is in no way wrong. I think you appear to have coped remarkably in such traumatic circumstances.
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"This was the comment I was replying to. "Also I will add you did not stop your husband from seeing his children for 5 years after he stopped drinking like you wanted for other parents." I did not say others should stop or be prevented from seeing their kids if they stopped drinking or stopped taking drugs. So stop twisting my words. I'm a strong believer in second chances but statistics are some kids don't get a second chance. If you can't stop for your kids then you do t deserve your kids. Its simple. Is it not better to remove a child before anything bad happens or better to wait till it's too late. Now how many kids have been killed at the hands of their parents/ parents boyfriends etc ,because of alcohol or drugs addicted parents . One thing I learned in counselling with my husband as to never justify an addiction , never make excuses , you have to be straight to the point . The more you make excuses leaves room for more mistakes and for addiction to become worse. Truth to the addict to make them see their faults. So stop making excuses " You specifically state If you choose drink or drugs , you shouldn't be allowed children until you are clean for at least 5 years I have not twisted those words they are exactly what you said. | |||
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"Yes shouldn't be allowed to reproduce until you are clean, you've pick it up wrong . To have children not to get back children. " Apologies I see what you mean now. | |||
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" To whom, ? I think ive shown a compassionate attitude to children throught this thread. " I don't think it's compassionate to want them institutionalized and their parents to die quickly | |||
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" To whom, ? I think ive shown a compassionate attitude to children throught this thread. I don't think it's compassionate to want them institutionalized and their parents to die quickly " Quite a few misleading points there, never did i say i WANT them institutionalized, never did i say i want the parents to die . I have however said it may be the lessor of 2 evils. An unwelcome outcome as opposed a lifetime of unwelcome outcomes possibly. I will answer your other point shortly , thx for clarifying your earlier post. | |||
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" To whom, ? I think ive shown a compassionate attitude to children throught this thread. I don't think it's compassionate to want them institutionalized and their parents to die quickly Quite a few misleading points there, never did i say i WANT them institutionalized, never did i say i want the parents to die . I have however said it may be the lessor of 2 evils. An unwelcome outcome as opposed a lifetime of unwelcome outcomes possibly. I will answer your other point shortly , thx for clarifying your earlier post. "Compassion would be hoping they get the help and support they need | |||
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" It comes as no big surprise that you no longer sit on the children's panel "Before making statements like this you may be better actually doing a little research on the subject you make a rather derogatory comment about. Let me explain a little, the childrens panel members im sorry to say dont give two hoots about mummy and daddy andcthier wants and needs ,simple. That is regardless of whether they are alcoholics , drug users , high flying doctors, laywers or multi million pound company owners. When that panel is convened their is only 1 person that is important in that room and only 1 outcome that matters. That is the child and the ONLY outcome that matters is what is in the best interest of that child. Has mummy or daddy stopped abusing substances, yes , prove it. Is mummy or daddy still abusing substances, yes, heres the biggy, is the child at RISK from this substance abuse. A child can still be in a safe enviroment in this household so your point about me looking to rip a child out the family home again is not true. It is a very carefully made decision, but to the best of our abilities it will be the whats in the best interest of the child and certainly NOT the parent. I hope that clarifies a little of your understanding of what the panel does. Ps i stand by all i said above. My compassion is for the children , the parents wants and needs never came into it very much . | |||
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"Where do they stand on the use of 'loving correction '" They would not find it acceptable, i see where this is going so let me elaborate a little save you time. Lol Hitting a child as i say would be frowned upon but i guarantee, if it was a slap on the hand or a slap on the bum, theres no way the child would be removed. In my time, i promise you, i never ever seen a child involved in a hearing due to being at risk from being diciplined for the above . | |||
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"Where do they stand on the use of 'loving correction ' They would not find it acceptable, i see where this is going so let me elaborate a little save you time. Lol Hitting a child as i say would be frowned upon but i guarantee, if it was a slap on the hand or a slap on the bum, theres no way the child would be removed. In my time, i promise you, i never ever seen a child involved in a hearing due to being at risk from being diciplined for the above . " That's right...just enough so they're scared, eh
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"Where do they stand on the use of 'loving correction ' They would not find it acceptable, i see where this is going so let me elaborate a little save you time. Lol Hitting a child as i say would be frowned upon but i guarantee, if it was a slap on the hand or a slap on the bum, theres no way the child would be removed. In my time, i promise you, i never ever seen a child involved in a hearing due to being at risk from being diciplined for the above . That's right...just enough so they're scared, eh
You'll never convince me you're compassionate, but that's okay "Thats ok, everyones entitled to an opinion. Hopefully you will have a bit more of an insight to the role of panel members and childrens hearings scotland. Perhaps not for you though , you might have to much compassion for the wrong people and not enough for the innocent victims that is all to prevalent nowadays. | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit." Firstly thank goodness things have ended up well for SMC42 when reading your post I did fear the worst well done hubby and well done Mrs for sticking by and supporting. Yes Scottish government has rattled on too long about independence and failed the people, they are busy jetting off to Portugal now I believe to study their approach these things should have been done years ago, now it just looks like a knee jerk junket.... | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit." Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster   | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit. Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster "Who's talking about the law.? They need to help these guys not ostracize and criminalise them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, this has been spiraling out of control for years anyone that goes down the chemist or bakers of a morning knows that..... | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit. Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster
Who's talking about the law.? They need to help these guys not ostracize and criminalise them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, this has been spiraling out of control for years anyone that goes down the chemist or bakers of a morning knows that.....
"Wtf???? Was I not the one who pointed out at the start of this that this had been coming for years???? Part of the problem is dealing with the dealers? And that’s not a Scottish government problem that’s a uk problem that Westminster needs to deal with!!!!!! | |||
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"Scottish government did try to do something about it something along the lines of Portugal. But westmonster stopped it. " Of course it's the Scottish government s fault they should man up and accept it their good enough at pathetic back slapping and gobbing off if they can gain some limelight, well the country is in a shambles, both UK and Scottish are as bad as each other. | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit. Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster
Who's talking about the law.? They need to help these guys not ostracize and criminalise them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, this has been spiraling out of control for years anyone that goes down the chemist or bakers of a morning knows that.....
Wtf???? Was I not the one who pointed out at the start of this that this had been coming for years???? Part of the problem is dealing with the dealers? And that’s not a Scottish government problem that’s a uk problem that Westminster needs to deal with!!!!!! "Yes glad you said part of the problem, and we agree it's been coming for years. Oh and the polis what you take on them they are a joke now. | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit. Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster
Who's talking about the law.? They need to help these guys not ostracize and criminalise them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, this has been spiraling out of control for years anyone that goes down the chemist or bakers of a morning knows that.....
Wtf???? Was I not the one who pointed out at the start of this that this had been coming for years???? Part of the problem is dealing with the dealers? And that’s not a Scottish government problem that’s a uk problem that Westminster needs to deal with!!!!!!
Yes glad you said part of the problem, and we agree it's been coming for years.
Oh and the polis what you take on them they are a joke now."Again police are fighting a losing battle when it comes to dealers, staff cut back (again by Westminster) and laws and sentencing that are not fit for purpose. | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit. Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster
Who's talking about the law.? They need to help these guys not ostracize and criminalise them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, this has been spiraling out of control for years anyone that goes down the chemist or bakers of a morning knows that.....
Wtf???? Was I not the one who pointed out at the start of this that this had been coming for years???? Part of the problem is dealing with the dealers? And that’s not a Scottish government problem that’s a uk problem that Westminster needs to deal with!!!!!!
Yes glad you said part of the problem, and we agree it's been coming for years.
Oh and the polis what you take on them they are a joke now.
Again police are fighting a losing battle when it comes to dealers, staff cut back (again by Westminster) and laws and sentencing that are not fit for purpose. "Your obviously a big fan of the Scottish government. Think the Scottish government actually controls the budget hence why we have one force in Scotland and they decide. So of there are any cuts to budget which I don't think there is it's down to them.... | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit. Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster
Who's talking about the law.? They need to help these guys not ostracize and criminalise them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, this has been spiraling out of control for years anyone that goes down the chemist or bakers of a morning knows that.....
Wtf???? Was I not the one who pointed out at the start of this that this had been coming for years???? Part of the problem is dealing with the dealers? And that’s not a Scottish government problem that’s a uk problem that Westminster needs to deal with!!!!!!
Yes glad you said part of the problem, and we agree it's been coming for years.
Oh and the polis what you take on them they are a joke now.
Again police are fighting a losing battle when it comes to dealers, staff cut back (again by Westminster) and laws and sentencing that are not fit for purpose.
Your obviously a big fan of the Scottish government.
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit. Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster
Who's talking about the law.? They need to help these guys not ostracize and criminalise them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, this has been spiraling out of control for years anyone that goes down the chemist or bakers of a morning knows that.....
Wtf???? Was I not the one who pointed out at the start of this that this had been coming for years???? Part of the problem is dealing with the dealers? And that’s not a Scottish government problem that’s a uk problem that Westminster needs to deal with!!!!!!
Yes glad you said part of the problem, and we agree it's been coming for years.
Oh and the polis what you take on them they are a joke now.
Again police are fighting a losing battle when it comes to dealers, staff cut back (again by Westminster) and laws and sentencing that are not fit for purpose.
Your obviously a big fan of the Scottish government.
Think the Scottish government actually controls the budget hence why we have one force in Scotland and they decide. So of there are any cuts to budget which I don't think there is it's down to them....
You should really stop making assumptions about people you don’t bloody know!!!
I’m no fan of any political party my opinion re policing is because 2 of my best friends are police and they work bloody hard and both would tell you that despite things not being perfect here they are a damn site better off than colleagues in England & Wales.
Scottish governments budget comes from Westminster, should check out the Barnet formula. Holyrood can only work with what they are given!
Don't Barnet formula me it's up to the Scottish government how they allocate their funding.hence our free prescriptions which I shall predict will come to an end soon. And as for your hard working police friends they must be the only 2 because it's the last bastion of the lazy man. " | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit. Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster
Who's talking about the law.? They need to help these guys not ostracize and criminalise them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, this has been spiraling out of control for years anyone that goes down the chemist or bakers of a morning knows that.....
Wtf???? Was I not the one who pointed out at the start of this that this had been coming for years???? Part of the problem is dealing with the dealers? And that’s not a Scottish government problem that’s a uk problem that Westminster needs to deal with!!!!!!
Yes glad you said part of the problem, and we agree it's been coming for years.
Oh and the polis what you take on them they are a joke now.
Again police are fighting a losing battle when it comes to dealers, staff cut back (again by Westminster) and laws and sentencing that are not fit for purpose.
Your obviously a big fan of the Scottish government.
Think the Scottish government actually controls the budget hence why we have one force in Scotland and they decide. So of there are any cuts to budget which I don't think there is it's down to them....
You should really stop making assumptions about people you don’t bloody know!!!
I’m no fan of any political party my opinion re policing is because 2 of my best friends are police and they work bloody hard and both would tell you that despite things not being perfect here they are a damn site better off than colleagues in England & Wales.
Scottish governments budget comes from Westminster, should check out the Barnet formula. Holyrood can only work with what they are given! "Is either of your friends female by any chance. 
Thats the only thing on my bucket list of life . To play with a female cop. | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit. Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster
Who's talking about the law.? They need to help these guys not ostracize and criminalise them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, this has been spiraling out of control for years anyone that goes down the chemist or bakers of a morning knows that.....
Wtf???? Was I not the one who pointed out at the start of this that this had been coming for years???? Part of the problem is dealing with the dealers? And that’s not a Scottish government problem that’s a uk problem that Westminster needs to deal with!!!!!!
Yes glad you said part of the problem, and we agree it's been coming for years.
Oh and the polis what you take on them they are a joke now.
Again police are fighting a losing battle when it comes to dealers, staff cut back (again by Westminster) and laws and sentencing that are not fit for purpose.
Your obviously a big fan of the Scottish government.
Think the Scottish government actually controls the budget hence why we have one force in Scotland and they decide. So of there are any cuts to budget which I don't think there is it's down to them....
You should really stop making assumptions about people you don’t bloody know!!!
I’m no fan of any political party my opinion re policing is because 2 of my best friends are police and they work bloody hard and both would tell you that despite things not being perfect here they are a damn site better off than colleagues in England & Wales.
Scottish governments budget comes from Westminster, should check out the Barnet formula. Holyrood can only work with what they are given!
Don't Barnet formula me it's up to the Scottish government how they allocate their funding.hence our free prescriptions which I shall predict will come to an end soon. And as for your hard working police friends they must be the only 2 because it's the last bastion of the lazy man. "Put your quotes in the wrong place dude!!! And I actually give up!!! No idea why you started this thread but wow glad I’ve no people like you in my life!!! | |||
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"2 solutions, the government sells all the drugs it has with posion added to it, they make some cash and reduce the population of drug users massively. Or Decriminalise drugs and treat addiction like an illness. Similar to the model they have been using in Portugal." Talk about Hobsons choice. The first choice is a bit harsh on the drug users . The second choice is a bit harsh on everyone else. Families , tax payers,the NHS the list is endless. | |||
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"We need our Government to start Govering our country if they put the time and effort into solving our countrys problems be it drugs , poverty & crime as they do into saber rattling about independence and blaming everyone else for our problem I think we would all benefit. Drugs laws are not devolved so it’s down to Westminster
Who's talking about the law.? They need to help these guys not ostracize and criminalise them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, this has been spiraling out of control for years anyone that goes down the chemist or bakers of a morning knows that.....
Wtf???? Was I not the one who pointed out at the start of this that this had been coming for years???? Part of the problem is dealing with the dealers? And that’s not a Scottish government problem that’s a uk problem that Westminster needs to deal with!!!!!!
Yes glad you said part of the problem, and we agree it's been coming for years.
Oh and the polis what you take on them they are a joke now.
Again police are fighting a losing battle when it comes to dealers, staff cut back (again by Westminster) and laws and sentencing that are not fit for purpose.
Your obviously a big fan of the Scottish government.
Think the Scottish government actually controls the budget hence why we have one force in Scotland and they decide. So of there are any cuts to budget which I don't think there is it's down to them....
You should really stop making assumptions about people you don’t bloody know!!!
I’m no fan of any political party my opinion re policing is because 2 of my best friends are police and they work bloody hard and both would tell you that despite things not being perfect here they are a damn site better off than colleagues in England & Wales.
Scottish governments budget comes from Westminster, should check out the Barnet formula. Holyrood can only work with what they are given!
Don't Barnet formula me it's up to the Scottish government how they allocate their funding.hence our free prescriptions which I shall predict will come to an end soon. And as for your hard working police friends they must be the only 2 because it's the last bastion of the lazy man.
Put your quotes in the wrong place dude!!! And I actually give up!!! No idea why you started this thread but wow glad I’ve no people like you in my life!!! "Oh sorry I won't start any more, now I suppose a meet is out the question..... | |||
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