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"Just double checking as the 21st June is Friday, but you're opening the same weekend as the social coming up? " The social is on Sat 22 and we are closed for a fetish event the night of the social and will open at 10.00pm | |||
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"Where about IN Dundee is it located?? X" 11 princess street dundee | |||
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"Just double checking as the 21st June is Friday, but you're opening the same weekend as the social coming up? The social is on Sat 22 and we are closed for a fetish event the night of the social and will open at 10.00pm" I’m confused  | |||
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"The club will be called Kudos we do have a website under construction at the moment. The club will open 9pm Saturday 21st June. There will be no limit on single guys on this night only. The prices will be on par with other Scottish clubs. Single guys £35 for 1 years membership and £35 entry couples £25 & 25 Single female £10&£10 Lockers, towels, condoms, lube provided as well as soft drinks. 2 spacious lounges 3 private rooms 2 open rooms " Great, thanks for the info. Do you operate a booking system like CJs, or do people just turn up? | |||
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"Just double checking as the 21st June is Friday, but you're opening the same weekend as the social coming up? The social is on Sat 22 and we are closed for a fetish event the night of the social and will open at 10.00pm" OK, so open on the Friday but closed for a fetish night on the Saturday? Sorry if I'm sounding dense, just wanting to be clear on it as I would like to give the place a look. | |||
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"Is it membership at door or join before turning up ?" Just come along as there will be no restrictions in place for first weekend. | |||
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"Good luck with the new club bud. As a new club though i think it would have been a good gesture to half your membership prices or even offer free nembership for the night. After all your an unknown quantity and the only way you will stay open is through good feedback and reviews from users on that 1 night. Like i say though bud wish you the best of luck, its great having a 3rd option in Scotland. "What a brilliant business brain!
I'm sure youre fed up knocking back a seat on dragons den given your knowledge and expertise and how you applied it yourself to amass your fortune.
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"Good luck with the new club bud. As a new club though i think it would have been a good gesture to half your membership prices or even offer free nembership for the night. After all your an unknown quantity and the only way you will stay open is through good feedback and reviews from users on that 1 night. Like i say though bud wish you the best of luck, its great having a 3rd option in Scotland.
What a brilliant business brain!
I'm sure youre fed up knocking back a seat on dragons den given your knowledge and expertise and how you applied it yourself to amass your fortune.
You actually really do know everything, congratulations "Awe thx.  | |||
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"Just double checking as the 21st June is Friday, but you're opening the same weekend as the social coming up? The social is on Sat 22 and we are closed for a fetish event the night of the social and will open at 10.00pm OK, so open on the Friday but closed for a fetish night on the Saturday? Sorry if I'm sounding dense, just wanting to be clear on it as I would like to give the place a look. " Aw gutted would loved to have popped along on the Saturday for a nosey  or is the fet night organised through fet life ? | |||
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"Just double checking as the 21st June is Friday, but you're opening the same weekend as the social coming up? The social is on Sat 22 and we are closed for a fetish event the night of the social and will open at 10.00pm" Just to make this clearer, The venue will be hosting a BDSM event on Saturday 22nd June from 4 - 10 the place will be cleared and cleaned then we will be open for the swinger party | |||
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"Just double checking as the 21st June is Friday, but you're opening the same weekend as the social coming up? The social is on Sat 22 and we are closed for a fetish event the night of the social and will open at 10.00pm Just to make this clearer, The venue will be hosting a BDSM event on Saturday 22nd June from 4 - 10 the place will be cleared and cleaned then we will be open for the swinger party" makes much more sense | |||
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"Just double checking as the 21st June is Friday, but you're opening the same weekend as the social coming up? The social is on Sat 22 and we are closed for a fetish event the night of the social and will open at 10.00pm Just to make this clearer, The venue will be hosting a BDSM event on Saturday 22nd June from 4 - 10 the place will be cleared and cleaned then we will be open for the swinger party" Thanks for clearing that up, in that case might stop by to have a look after the social | |||
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"Sorry, also forgot to ask what evenings will it be open for swingers?" To start it will be Fri,sat but hope to do things with a Wednesday night also. | |||
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"My thoughts were the same - this suggesting “free membership” or “half price” are the type of members that are not needed nor required at making this a successful venture ! "So by suggesting this , it makes me an undesirable at a club . Perhaps you could explain in more detail the logic behind that assumption. ? And does that logic extend to my wife too as we 2ould probably class ourselves as regular club goers . And also extend to the other single females that i have introduced to the club scene as i would never go to a club on my own . Please elaborate , thx bud. | |||
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"It’s a business not a charity !! Some people always always expect something for nothing !! Couldn't give 2 hoots who you’ve introduced - end of the day it’s a business and no I am not involved in any way with it but welcome it as much as everyone else ! " Well your doing a grand job of showing how friendly the people of Dundee are.
Make a suggestion and if the local hillbilly doesnt like it they will throw yawl azz oot .
Luckily i understand most towns and cities have one.
Back to the club .
OP as said earlier, wish you best of luck with your opening night.
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"Good luck with the new club bud. As a new club though i think it would have been a good gesture to half your membership prices or even offer free nembership for the night. After all your an unknown quantity and the only way you will stay open is through good feedback and reviews from users on that 1 night. Like i say though bud wish you the best of luck, its great having a 3rd option in Scotland.
What a brilliant business brain!
I'm sure youre fed up knocking back a seat on dragons den given your knowledge and expertise and how you applied it yourself to amass your fortune.
You actually really do know everything, congratulations "It would appear it wasnt such a bad suggestion after all. Alas i will still need to deny that dragons den seat as im still so busy just now. | |||
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"Sounds fantastic, looking forward to the social and also giving this new club a look in afterwards " We are too!  | |||
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" The prices will be on par with other Scottish clubs. Single guys £35 for 1 years membership and £35 entry couples £25 & 25 Single female £10&£10 " Don't think there is a yearly membership at CJ's ? Hope it is successful though as another club is always welcome | |||
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"CJ's do not charge Annual Membership and their entry fee's are somewhat less than the rates you propose." Not for weekend rates. R | |||
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"I'll ask again as it wasn't answered. And it also wasn't listed in all the prices posted. Price for TG/TV/TS ?" Could you answer the question above,please. There are various parties interested. Thank you. | |||
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"I'll ask again as it wasn't answered. And it also wasn't listed in all the prices posted. Price for TG/TV/TS ? Could you answer the question above,please. There are various parties interested. Thank you." Single female rates | |||
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"I'll ask again as it wasn't answered. And it also wasn't listed in all the prices posted. Price for TG/TV/TS ? Could you answer the question above,please. There are various parties interested. Thank you. Single female rates " Thats not what you told me via mail 2 days ago after not answering the question here. you stated treated as single males!...However you said you planned to host TV/TG/TS and "admirer" nights and it would be £15... Club rates generally reflect (rightly or wrongly) that single fems are the attraction, so cheaper entry... So basically on a "regular" night Trans people will be misgendered and pay for the privilege, but on the trans nights when you need the Tgirls as the attraction and to make up the numbers you'd charge less. CJ charges at a rate of in between single fem and single male and doesnt "label" people.. It was the double standards, and willingness to simultaneously disregard yet exploit Tgirls that saw Me tell you I wont be attending | |||
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"Good luck with the new club bud. As a new club though i think it would have been a good gesture to half your membership prices or even offer free nembership for the night. After all your an unknown quantity and the only way you will stay open is through good feedback and reviews from users on that 1 night. Like i say though bud wish you the best of luck, its great having a 3rd option in Scotland.
What a brilliant business brain!
I'm sure youre fed up knocking back a seat on dragons den given your knowledge and expertise and how you applied it yourself to amass your fortune.
You actually really do know everything, congratulations
Awe thx. "Well I certainly wouldn’t want to pay for membership at a club I’d rarely use. As He Devil says an opening offer to attract business would be good. This is usually the norm even in the vanilla world of gyms, clubs, etc Perhaps you could’ve had your website up and running to give more details on opening times, facilities, events, theme nights, pricing, etc. An opening night needs to be launched to attract people so that they spread the word. Reputation is important. Of the two other clubs in Scotland only one has a membership fee. Good luck with your business it may be worth a trip to Dundee. | |||
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"CJ's do not charge Annual Membership and their entry fee's are somewhat less than the rates you propose." And they have loyalty cards so after so many visits you get a free night. | |||
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"Been going to cjs for 18 months, never been charged annual membership, only price on the night. Not sure about attending now if I have to pay a membership I will use rarely. Would rather pay the entry fee on the night oy. Best of luck with the club "My thoughts exactly, £35 Membership plus £35 Entrance, travel and accommodation. Might not like it and never go again, expensive night. | |||
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"Yet you want labelled if it means a cheaper rate ? " show Me where I said that? read again | |||
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"Perthguy39 Am I right in assuming that you have just spent some (if not a lot) of money opening this club, and as you can’t sell alcohol the only revenue source for you to recoup w your outlay is via membership and admission fees?" Close to 30k | |||
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"Can you confirm got appropriate licence. Would hate to be all over the Courier after a police raid!! "I have a very good lawyer who has advised on all licenceing matters. | |||
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"Prices on website differ from post so which is correct?" Website contains the revised prices | |||
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"Prices on website differ from post so which is correct?" Where’s the website, google isn’t showing anything | |||
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My personal opinion though is a try before you buy on membership fees to begin with | |||
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"Give the guy a break. Hes told you hes spent almost £30 grand on getting the place ready. £30k people not £300 Hopefully the facilities are great. It's a business and unless its run like one, will hemorrhage money therfore lead to closure. The prices are what they are and if people aren't happy then simply dont go or wait to see a few reviews and then decide if it's worth the gamble. I'm pretty sure if someone is spending that type of money there is a business plan in place and there has to be money coming in and "freebies" dont cut it unfortunately. Either way Scotland is crying out for a decent club on par with those down south. I'm not for one minute saying this will be the case with this club opening in Dundee but hopefully it is as the prices mentioned are a hell of a lot cheaper than travelling down south, overnight costs and club costs when you add them all up. You can be in excess of £250 when everything's taken into account for a night or 2 down south at a good venue. I've never met the man and cant make it along this weekend but good luck to you and I hope it works out well. I'll be looking forward to reading the reviews then deciding if it's worth a visit. " Yes its a business and yes its gotta make money . So as a business what is the owner looking for . A one night when he can make a fortune or a long term viable business. Heres an example he allows 20 guys in at £70 a pop, entrance plus membership, how many of those guys will have fun , probably not many if what ive seen in clubs is the norm. If these guys that never got their fun then say to themselves thats £70 down the drain are they really gonna leave a rip roaring review or are they more likely to slaughter it. Females and couples will probably give it an honest review. But the clientele that he makes the most money from , single guys, will read the bad reviews and possibly never attend. Sounds crazy but a carefully managed ratio of single guys. Females and couple given free entry would have had the place mobbed plus most likely extremely favourable reviews. He has however reduced entry prices and fair play it will prove to be a good decision. Good luck again OP. | |||
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"Give the guy a chance. Youre trying to tell him how to run his business that he's spent HIS money on. This place isn't even open yet and your trying to tell him what his pricing structure should be... seriously? As far as I'm led to believe your no expert on running such an establishment so your opinion holds no weight. And for the record neither am I, therfore I'm waiting to see what the reviews are like or I'll pop along one evening and make my own mind up before deciding whether to go back again or not. But what I will do is pay the going rate and not try and get a "freebie" or discounted rate of entry to see if I like it or not.. unfortunately you dont get a try before you buy. Who is to say he wont hold couple only events once a month or once a week. Or Greedy girl nights Or TV/TS events. I say good luck to him and I'm sure he will update his pricing structure depending on his clientele and his overheads otherwise the place wont be about for long and then it benefits absolutely no one. " Im not understanding why your having a go at my business acumen lol. He has already said he will do an opening night offer as is said further up. If everyone does what you suggest and wait for reviews to start coming out it may be a short lived club if initial rewiews are not great. I genuinely hope they are all great reviews . As also said earlier most new clubs not just swinging offer new member incentives. Mainly reduced or free membership. Thats not my advice thats common knoledge. | |||
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" As far as I'm led to believe your no expert on running such an establishment so your opinion holds no weight. " One last wee point, as a pottential customer you say my opinion holds no weight, so ALL the pottential customers opinions hold no weight. Could be a short lived venture if you were running the place.  | |||
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"Give the guy a chance. Youre trying to tell him how to run his business that he's spent HIS money on. This place isn't even open yet and your trying to tell him what his pricing structure should be... seriously? As far as I'm led to believe your no expert on running such an establishment so your opinion holds no weight. And for the record neither am I, therfore I'm waiting to see what the reviews are like or I'll pop along one evening and make my own mind up before deciding whether to go back again or not. But what I will do is pay the going rate and not try and get a "freebie" or discounted rate of entry to see if I like it or not.. unfortunately you dont get a try before you buy. Who is to say he wont hold couple only events once a month or once a week. Or Greedy girl nights Or TV/TS events. I say good luck to him and I'm sure he will update his pricing structure depending on his clientele and his overheads otherwise the place wont be about for long and then it benefits absolutely no one. " | |||
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"I'll ask again as it wasn't answered. And it also wasn't listed in all the prices posted. Price for TG/TV/TS ? Could you answer the question above,please. There are various parties interested. Thank you. Single female rates " If they turn up as a bloke charge them bloke rates I'd say! | |||
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"Can you confirm got appropriate licence. Would hate to be all over the Courier after a police raid!!
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"Where about IN Dundee is it located?? X 11 princess street dundee" Just realised I used to work in that building 20 years ago! | |||
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"No annual membership at cjs." Annual memberships at after8, clubf, infusion and a whole load of other clubs. Not having an annual membership is an exception for these clubs. And this isn't CJs, so doesn't need to go about it the same way x | |||
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"There is no annual membership at CHS. I think your prices are a bit high for Dundee area " Surely it's based on what they'll provide rather than the area, the fact it might not have such a high volume of customer through the door as clubs in big cities is maybe a reason prices need to be kept at a certain standard or else the place won't survive, they are running a business at the end of the day. A big Mac in Dundee is the same price as a big Mac in Glasgow/Edinburgh/London and no one complains about that? John | |||
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"There is no annual membership at CHS. I think your prices are a bit high for Dundee area Surely it's based on what they'll provide rather than the area, the fact it might not have such a high volume of customer through the door as clubs in big cities is maybe a reason prices need to be kept at a certain standard or else the place won't survive, they are running a business at the end of the day. A big Mac in Dundee is the same price as a big Mac in Glasgow/Edinburgh/London and no one complains about that? John "
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"There is no annual membership at CHS. I think your prices are a bit high for Dundee area Surely it's based on what they'll provide rather than the area, the fact it might not have such a high volume of customer through the door as clubs in big cities is maybe a reason prices need to be kept at a certain standard or else the place won't survive, they are running a business at the end of the day. A big Mac in Dundee is the same price as a big Mac in Glasgow/Edinburgh/London and no one complains about that? John
And will you and the gorgeous k be going to club after social for a nosey ? "Possibly, depends if they have a buffet or not
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"There is no annual membership at CHS. I think your prices are a bit high for Dundee area Surely it's based on what they'll provide rather than the area, the fact it might not have such a high volume of customer through the door as clubs in big cities is maybe a reason prices need to be kept at a certain standard or else the place won't survive, they are running a business at the end of the day. A big Mac in Dundee is the same price as a big Mac in Glasgow/Edinburgh/London and no one complains about that? John
And will you and the gorgeous k be going to club after social for a nosey ?
Possibly, depends if they have a buffet or not
John "Hahahaha you and your grub lol sure there’s going to be a buffet at the social ! My hotel Next door to McDonald’s so I’m sorted lol | |||
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"I'll sadly miss this one, The trip would be too much for my poor wee ankle "I’m driving through and hotelling it on my tod if you fancied it ? The oh working sat night | |||
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"I'll sadly miss this one, The trip would be too much for my poor wee ankle
I’m driving through and hotelling it on my tod if you fancied it ? The oh working sat night "uch I've not got an outfit either but thankyou for the offer | |||
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"I'll sadly miss this one, The trip would be too much for my poor wee ankle
I’m driving through and hotelling it on my tod if you fancied it ? The oh working sat night uch I've not got an outfit either but thankyou for the offer "Aw come on... I've no outfit either n probs won't be the only one K | |||
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"I'll sadly miss this one, The trip would be too much for my poor wee ankle
I’m driving through and hotelling it on my tod if you fancied it ? The oh working sat night uch I've not got an outfit either but thankyou for the offer
Aw come on... I've no outfit either n probs won't be the only one
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"There is more facilities in the club's down south. They have sauna steam rooms and hot tubs in them. Is there anything like that in this club I doubt it." Yes they do, it previously was a sauna and the website states it still has the facilities | |||
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"There is more facilities in the club's down south. They have sauna steam rooms and hot tubs in them. Is there anything like that in this club I doubt it." Pish. OP4F is a small London club with only a couple of play rooms and it is thriving. Hot tubs and steam rooms add several big issues with health and safety which for a club starting out doesn't need. | |||
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"There is more facilities in the club's down south. They have sauna steam rooms and hot tubs in them. Is there anything like that in this club I doubt it. Pish. OP4F is a small London club with only a couple of play rooms and it is thriving. Hot tubs and steam rooms add several big issues with health and safety which for a club starting out doesn't need. " The sauna and steam room will not be in operation on swing nights, that is a health and safety nightmare. | |||
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"Why advertise sauna and steam room on your website if there not going to be operating. That's fake advertising. That's a dear admission fee and not really any facilities." If you bothered to read the website it states that those facilities are available at the club. The club is not exclusively a swingers club, and as the owner has stated above, on those nights those facilities will not be in use. However, there are other facilities and play rooms. Not sure why that's difficult to understand. You clearly don't want to go, so don't go. Simple. | |||
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"No mention on website saying sauna and steam room unavailable on swinging nites." Ok, as you seem determined to dig your heels in - AS I SAID ABOVE, THE OWNER HAS CONFIRMED IN THIS THREAD THAT THEY ARE NOT OPEN DURING SWINGERS EVENINGS. Clear enough for you? I’m sure this oversight on the website will be rectified, as it is obviously still under construction and only has basic details on it at the moment. If you don’t want to go, then don’t. No one is forcing you to, it’s not compulsory. I personally applaud the owner for getting a club open here after many years of me saying we should have one, and many other people trying and failing, and he has my support. I will attend the club soon to check it out myself instead of whinging about it on the forum. | |||
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"No mention on website saying sauna and steam room unavailable on swinging nites." Ok mate who in there right mind is going to offer these facilities to people who have had a few drinks ??? If you feel that strongly about a sauna and steam room save up your pennies and go down south. | |||
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"Good luck with the new club bud. As a new club though i think it would have been a good gesture to half your membership prices or even offer free nembership for the night. After all your an unknown quantity and the only way you will stay open is through good feedback and reviews from users on that 1 night. Like i say though bud wish you the best of luck, its great having a 3rd option in Scotland. "guy has said its an open club first weekend which i think is a good gesture it is a buisness and needs to make cash so cant be free for ever | |||
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"Good luck with the new club bud. As a new club though i think it would have been a good gesture to half your membership prices or even offer free nembership for the night. After all your an unknown quantity and the only way you will stay open is through good feedback and reviews from users on that 1 night. Like i say though bud wish you the best of luck, its great having a 3rd option in Scotland. guy has said its an open club first weekend which i think is a good gesture it is a buisness and needs to make cash so cant be free for ever"There was no good gesture kola when i made this comment.
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"Good luck with the new club bud. As a new club though i think it would have been a good gesture to half your membership prices or even offer free nembership for the night. After all your an unknown quantity and the only way you will stay open is through good feedback and reviews from users on that 1 night. Like i say though bud wish you the best of luck, its great having a 3rd option in Scotland. guy has said its an open club first weekend which i think is a good gesture it is a buisness and needs to make cash so cant be free for ever"It won't ever be free | |||
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"Don't see why you would go to the effort of installing facilities and not using them. This is sounding more like a sauna that will hold swingers events can you confirm if this is the case " Sauna and steam room not available on swingers nights. Only for gay/bi events is what I understood from this post and the website x | |||
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"Don't see why you would go to the effort of installing facilities and not using them. This is sounding more like a sauna that will hold swingers events can you confirm if this is the case Sauna and steam room not available on swingers nights. Only for gay/bi events is what I understood from this post and the website x" If there is a big demand for it I'll turn it all on it's not a problem. | |||
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"Don't see why you would go to the effort of installing facilities and not using them. This is sounding more like a sauna that will hold swingers events can you confirm if this is the case Sauna and steam room not available on swingers nights. Only for gay/bi events is what I understood from this post and the website x" Yeah so basically a sauna that will hold swingers events but not use all the facilities for them because some people might get d*unk. So in that case does this mean the gay/bi events will be alcohol free? | |||
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"Don't see why you would go to the effort of installing facilities and not using them. This is sounding more like a sauna that will hold swingers events can you confirm if this is the case Sauna and steam room not available on swingers nights. Only for gay/bi events is what I understood from this post and the website x Yeah so basically a sauna that will hold swingers events but not use all the facilities for them because some people might get d*unk. So in that case does this mean the gay/bi events will be alcohol free?" If there is demand I will supply | |||
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"No mention on website saying sauna and steam room unavailable on swinging nites. Ok mate who in there right mind is going to offer these facilities to people who have had a few drinks ??? If you feel that strongly about a sauna and steam room save up your pennies and go down south. " Exactly this | |||
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"Don't see why you would go to the effort of installing facilities and not using them. This is sounding more like a sauna that will hold swingers events can you confirm if this is the case Sauna and steam room not available on swingers nights. Only for gay/bi events is what I understood from this post and the website x If there is a big demand for it I'll turn it all on it's not a problem.
Good luck this weekend!! Hope it's a brilliant start of your venture x"I'm nervous that no one will come even with the membership fee waiver | |||
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"Don't see why you would go to the effort of installing facilities and not using them. This is sounding more like a sauna that will hold swingers events can you confirm if this is the case Sauna and steam room not available on swingers nights. Only for gay/bi events is what I understood from this post and the website x If there is a big demand for it I'll turn it all on it's not a problem.
Good luck this weekend!! Hope it's a brilliant start of your venture x
I'm nervous that no one will come even with the membership fee waiver "100% will be there saturday night | |||
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"I'm nervous that no one will come even with the membership fee waiver " If you build it, they will come
Although I do believe having all facilities open will help you. I was a regular at Aberdeen and they never had any issues with d*unk people using the facilities. I personally don't drink in these situations, but I never saw any problems | |||
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"Clubkudos.co.uk" Found it, cheers dude. Was that place not once called Jocks sauna and got shut down from the police? I remember reading about it in the papers | |||
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"Clubkudos.co.uk Found it, cheers dude. Was that place not once called Jocks sauna and got shut down from the police? I remember reading about it in the papers" Yea it was once called jocks sauna and no it wasn't shut down by the police, they sold out to 2 jokers who ran the place into the ground | |||
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"I'm nervous that no one will come even with the membership fee waiver If you build it, they will come
Although I do believe having all facilities open will help you. I was a regular at Aberdeen and they never had any issues with d*unk people using the facilities. I personally don't drink in these situations, but I never saw any problems "True if you have decent staff keeping an eye on things and good clientele there will be plenty enough people keeping their eyes open, | |||
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"Question regarding tonight - is entry only if you've been at the dundee social?" No and discount still applies | |||
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"What time you opening tonight at for swingers club. How much is it tonight for single male " 25 | |||
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" Surprised not much information or positive review of club so far well just till more about it count after eight club cj and shoebox only proper Swingers club in Scotland " It only opened last night | |||
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"Ok so as promised this nosey biatch went along and grilled the owner and put her tuppence in. Great venue great location, staff were all very friendly, fixtures and fittings and of course sanitary ware all great standard, whole new electrics throughout, sky tv music channels, amazing new leather sofas super soft carpets in social areas and lovely flooring in other areas, plenty of Social areas upstairs, good few decent play areas, massive sauna(gutted it wasn’t on) decent sized steam room(again gutted it was off) fantastic outdoor courtyard(not nearly utilised as it could be !!! ) lots of lockers available, tea coffee etc in decent equipped kitchen. The bits that need work and this was well discussed last night, all the lovely new electrics and lights - too bright additional mood lighting would be better in some of the social and play areas, in time thicker softer mattresses and now sheets for the beds and towel racks dotted around the place and wash baskets, throws on the gorgeous leather sofas(is women hate getting out asses stuck when we’re wearing less !) But for someone who’s fairly vanilla and a recently deflowered swinging virgin he’s done good so far and I am looking forward to visiting again once he’s settled in "Great, thanks for that Violet. We almost attended on Friday as we had family yesterday so couldn’t attend the social. Will get along soon and see what it’s like for ourselves | |||
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