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By *xplorer13 OP   Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

Just watched his programme about Orange walks in Belfast. I thought we had moved on but obviously not. They just wanted to attack the police and it cost £29 million to police them. In my opinion total madness! What's your thoughts?

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Just watched his programme about Orange walks in Belfast. I thought we had moved on but obviously not. They just wanted to attack the police and it cost £29 million to police them. In my opinion total madness! What's your thoughts?"

29 million to police

My thoughts are treble time plus a day in lieu.

Never actually seen the program but sounds like everyone a winner except whoever pays the 29 million ?

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By *xplorer13 OP   Man
over a year ago

glenrothes


"Just watched his programme about Orange walks in Belfast. I thought we had moved on but obviously not. They just wanted to attack the police and it cost £29 million to police them. In my opinion total madness! What's your thoughts?

29 million to police

My thoughts are treble time plus a day in lieu.

Never actually seen the program but sounds like everyone a winner except whoever pays the 29 million ?"

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By *xplorer13 OP   Man
over a year ago

glenrothes


"Just watched his programme about Orange walks in Belfast. I thought we had moved on but obviously not. They just wanted to attack the police and it cost £29 million to police them. In my opinion total madness! What's your thoughts?

29 million to police

My thoughts are treble time plus a day in lieu.

Never actually seen the program but sounds like everyone a winner except whoever pays the 29 million ?"

Our tax pays it! There was obviously more than one march

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Just watched his programme about Orange walks in Belfast. I thought we had moved on but obviously not. They just wanted to attack the police and it cost £29 million to police them. In my opinion total madness! What's your thoughts?

29 million to police

My thoughts are treble time plus a day in lieu.

Never actually seen the program but sounds like everyone a winner except whoever pays the 29 million ?

Our tax pays it! There was obviously more than one march"

Were there many arrests. ?

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By *xplorer13 OP   Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

A fair few, police lost about 10 to broken legs and head injuries. Not what I go to work for. Maybe get it on catch up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There never been a stop to troubles just not as bad or publicised as it was, the media only shows what it wants us to see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I travel to Belfast alot for business and have seen a big improvement over the years even speaking to my colleagues 10 years ago the country was a far worse place but still alot of work to do

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By *xplorer13 OP   Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

Some of the supporters just seemed to want to attack police. They stood off for 5 hours and needed a water cannon. I can't get my head around it.

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"A fair few, police lost about 10 to broken legs and head injuries. Not what I go to work for. Maybe get it on catch up "

I was more hoping for numbers, 10 , 20, 100, 1000.

If arrests were low im asking why policing was into double figure millions and if arrests were high then devide those millions into fines of those arrested and insurances from individual bandsmen and women who choose to take part. When you involve money and covering costs through liabilities just maybe it wont need policed to a cost of 29 million.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

40 years ago, in Scotland (admittedly), you would get sizeable Orange Marches even in wee villages.

That sort of nonsense hasn't happened this century - near where I live, anyway. They all pile into buses and go to that last bastion of bigotry, Glasgow.

Even there, the numbers dwindle. It's progress.

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By *xplorer13 OP   Man
over a year ago

glenrothes


"A fair few, police lost about 10 to broken legs and head injuries. Not what I go to work for. Maybe get it on catch up

I was more hoping for numbers, 10 , 20, 100, 1000.

If arrests were low im asking why policing was into double figure millions and if arrests were high then devide those millions into fines of those arrested and insurances from individual bandsmen and women who choose to take part. When you involve money and covering costs through liabilities just maybe it wont need policed to a cost of 29 million. "

he didn't really go into arrests more injuries which I would expect people to be more concerned about. Sometimes you can't arrest everyone as you don't have enough police. How do you arrests 1000 thugs when you only have 100 police? As I said marches going on all over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There never been a stop to troubles just not as bad or publicised as it was, the media only shows what it wants us to see "

This...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I travel to Belfast alot for business and have seen a big improvement over the years even speaking to my colleagues 10 years ago the country was a far worse place but still alot of work to do "

And this... I have family there... it’s better than it was but still bubbles under the surface - hopefully new generations will change that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just watched his programme about Orange walks in Belfast. I thought we had moved on but obviously not. They just wanted to attack the police and it cost £29 million to police them. In my opinion total madness! What's your thoughts?"

have my beliefs and heritage but I chose to stop celebrating the 12th in Glasgow as I got caught in the middle of a gang fight and got stabbed never been back since 2 many idiots just go to get pissed and have a fight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is that the one that was filmed a few years ago?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watched the programme a couple off times can't get my head round the hatred I've mixed friends and get on good and love the banter at football but even most off my proddy friends have distanced themselves from orange walks.

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"A fair few, police lost about 10 to broken legs and head injuries. Not what I go to work for. Maybe get it on catch up

I was more hoping for numbers, 10 , 20, 100, 1000.

If arrests were low im asking why policing was into double figure millions and if arrests were high then devide those millions into fines of those arrested and insurances from individual bandsmen and women who choose to take part. When you involve money and covering costs through liabilities just maybe it wont need policed to a cost of 29 million. he didn't really go into arrests more injuries which I would expect people to be more concerned about. Sometimes you can't arrest everyone as you don't have enough police. How do you arrests 1000 thugs when you only have 100 police? As I said marches going on all over. "

Im trying to understand the 29 million pound price tag , 100 police does not cost that much. ? If as you say there is 1000 thugs then no excuses not to arrest them , we have this thing nowadays called cctv . Body cams, vans , poles , buildings , i believe the have been used in the past many times so why cant the arrests happen at a later date and make these people pay heavily for their actions, financially. Go to their places of work and arrest them there, if they dont work wait till they are sitting in a restaurant or family party. Make them visibly accountable for their actions as well as paying for them.

Its similar to football grounds in my opinion. If you are sitting next to someone shouting sectarian or racist abuse you should be held accountable too if you dont report it. You will then see a real change of attitude .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One going past my house right now.

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By *uboCouple
over a year ago

East kilbride


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Im trying to understand the 29 million pound price tag , 100 police does not cost that much. ? If as you say there is 1000 thugs then no excuses not to arrest them , we have this thing nowadays called cctv . Body cams, vans , poles , buildings , i believe the have been used in the past many times so why cant the arrests happen at a later date and make these people pay heavily for their actions, financially. Go to their places of work and arrest them there, if they dont work wait till they are sitting in a restaurant or family party. Make them visibly accountable for their actions as well as paying for them.

Its similar to football grounds in my opinion. If you are sitting next to someone shouting sectarian or racist abuse you should be held accountable too if you dont report it. You will then see a real change of attitude . "

Agree with much of this except ( Its similar to football grounds in my opinion. If you are sitting next to someone shouting sectarian or racist abuse you should be held accountable too if you dont report it.)

That is a nonsense and will never work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These walks should be banned but it won't happen as they would only generate more trouble due to what people feel are ancestry rights .Now if most Councils decided to ban them then there is a chance in years to come they will fade out especially in Scotland ,I was brought around these walks most off my life and even run around with guys who attended or tool part in them in my younger days but one think I can say is when I moved away to Aberdeen many a year ago 30+ I have never seen one up there cause every year they put in for a Walk and every year it gets knocked backed and that's that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its similar to football grounds in my opinion. If you are sitting next to someone shouting sectarian or racist abuse you should be held accountable too if you dont report it. You will then see a real change of attitude . "

I’m accountable for the moronic actions of another if I don’t report it, seriously? I sit in the Upper Tier of the North Stand at Celtic Park alongside my 70year old father and 25 year old nephew with learning disabilities. There are a hardcore obviously cocaine addled fannies who sit around us who for 90 minutes chant and sing the vilest sectarian shite imaginable. You honestly think I’m going to expose either my father or my nephew to their fury by reporting them? How about the stewards and Police do their jobs rather than a standing with their thumbs up their arses....I’m there to watch my team not get done in an attempt to act as a quasi security guard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watched it.

The 29 million referred to the annual cost of policing these "events", not for one event.

Don't object to people celebrating their "heritage". Just fuck off and do it somewhere that won't intimidate normal folk going about their business who care more about what's happening in the world today and less about some fanny who was kicking about on a white horse 300yrs ago

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Its similar to football grounds in my opinion. If you are sitting next to someone shouting sectarian or racist abuse you should be held accountable too if you dont report it. You will then see a real change of attitude .

I’m accountable for the moronic actions of another if I don’t report it, seriously? I sit in the Upper Tier of the North Stand at Celtic Park alongside my 70year old father and 25 year old nephew with learning disabilities. There are a hardcore obviously cocaine addled fannies who sit around us who for 90 minutes chant and sing the vilest sectarian shite imaginable. You honestly think I’m going to expose either my father or my nephew to their fury by reporting them? How about the stewards and Police do their jobs rather than a standing with their thumbs up their arses....I’m there to watch my team not get done in an attempt to act as a quasi security guard."

Ok this is not about arguing with you bud , but you are the perfect example of my point. You are sitting listening to the vile around you with your family. What do you do , ? Nothing. !!!

You have a stadium full of people doing NOTHING . I maybe wrong but are seats not numbered, so can you not report it and then the stewards and staff can issue warnings to these people . Is there just the four of you in that section ??? How would that person know it was you who reported it , so yes i say you doing nothing about it is part of the problem mate.

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Its similar to football grounds in my opinion. If you are sitting next to someone shouting sectarian or racist abuse you should be held accountable too if you dont report it. You will then see a real change of attitude .

I’m accountable for the moronic actions of another if I don’t report it, seriously? I sit in the Upper Tier of the North Stand at Celtic Park alongside my 70year old father and 25 year old nephew with learning disabilities. There are a hardcore obviously cocaine addled fannies who sit around us who for 90 minutes chant and sing the vilest sectarian shite imaginable. You honestly think I’m going to expose either my father or my nephew to their fury by reporting them? How about the stewards and Police do their jobs rather than a standing with their thumbs up their arses....I’m there to watch my team not get done in an attempt to act as a quasi security guard.

Ok this is not about arguing with you bud , but you are the perfect example of my point. You are sitting listening to the vile around you with your family. What do you do , ? Nothing. !!!

You have a stadium full of people doing NOTHING . I maybe wrong but are seats not numbered, so can you not report it and then the stewards and staff can issue warnings to these people . Is there just the four of you in that section ??? How would that person know it was you who reported it , so yes i say you doing nothing about it is part of the problem mate. "

By the way i do agree the staff should be doing their jobs too.

And if there not you should report that too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These walks should be banned but it won't happen as they would only generate more trouble due to what people feel are ancestry rights .Now if most Councils decided to ban them then there is a chance in years to come they will fade out especially in Scotland ,I was brought around these walks most off my life and even run around with guys who attended or tool part in them in my younger days but one think I can say is when I moved away to Aberdeen many a year ago 30+ I have never seen one up there cause every year they put in for a Walk and every year it gets knocked backed and that's that "

Being from Aberdeen we never had any of this and when I was sent on a training course in Kilwinning I got my eyes opened, one of the guys was refused admission to The club as he had on the "wrong" colour of dress shirt, and later we had to run back to the training centre after being chased from a dance at one of the hotels. Thankfully these things happen less and less but we still had guys in the Central Belt being refused entry to houses as they were of a different religion to the householder. Lighten up people we all have to live under the same sky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone from a mixed marriage and parents of a mixed marriage I got to see both sides lol

My dad used to drag me n my sister to the orange walk and my uncle's used to take us to the not so big hibs walk lol

Both were great at that age as didn't understand anything so just liked the sound of the drums and pipes.

Grew up and got to understand the sheer hatred so stopped going

.nowdays...it's most younger idiots out drinking all day pissed looking for trouble no clue of what the orange order is actually about or why it got started.

Switch an orange March to a anti Muslim March

.would that be allowed to walk by a Muslim place of worship? I think not ..it wouldn't even be allowed to walk at all!

It's outdated and should be stopped for the public safety.

By all means go to your orange halls and practice your bands but keep it for those who will understand it and appreciate it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There never been a stop to troubles just not as bad or publicised as it was, the media only shows what it wants us to see "

The recent murder of journalist Lyra McKee brought it back to attention recently but there is a huge amount going on that never gets reported. Takes something like a murder to bring the troubles back to media attention.

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong"
exactly!

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong"

Yes that is wrong, but someone is to blame here, when you say it stopped them being best man , what do you mean ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong

Yes that is wrong, but someone is to blame here, when you say it stopped them being best man , what do you mean ? "

In light of the thread topic, you can't make an educated guess?

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong

Yes that is wrong, but someone is to blame here, when you say it stopped them being best man , what do you mean ? "

My ex's best friend refused to be best man at our wedding because it was in an RC Chapel and he was joining the orange order soon after our wedding. His parents who were close friends with my in laws and neighbours refused to attend too as he was in the orange order which meant they weren't allowed in a chapel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All religions should be kept in the home and places of worship.

Although most bigots do not go to church or chapel most likely.

Schools should have 1 class taught and it should be an opt in or opt out decision.

No religion should be forced apon someone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong

Yes that is wrong, but someone is to blame here, when you say it stopped them being best man , what do you mean ?

My ex's best friend refused to be best man at our wedding because it was in an RC Chapel and he was joining the orange order soon after our wedding. His parents who were close friends with my in laws and neighbours refused to attend too as he was in the orange order which meant they weren't allowed in a chapel."

not a true friend then x

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong

Yes that is wrong, but someone is to blame here, when you say it stopped them being best man , what do you mean ?

My ex's best friend refused to be best man at our wedding because it was in an RC Chapel and he was joining the orange order soon after our wedding. His parents who were close friends with my in laws and neighbours refused to attend too as he was in the orange order which meant they weren't allowed in a chapel."

Thanks for explaining CG

Yeah that is crazy. If im honest , if a person is that bad in support of their misguided beliefs then i wouldn't want them as a friend or best man anyway. If he couldnt set aside his religion for a life long friend not much more you can say.

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong

Yes that is wrong, but someone is to blame here, when you say it stopped them being best man , what do you mean ?

In light of the thread topic, you can't make an educated guess?"

Please let the adults chat.

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong

Yes that is wrong, but someone is to blame here, when you say it stopped them being best man , what do you mean ?

My ex's best friend refused to be best man at our wedding because it was in an RC Chapel and he was joining the orange order soon after our wedding. His parents who were close friends with my in laws and neighbours refused to attend too as he was in the orange order which meant they weren't allowed in a chapel.not a true friend then x"

Exactly. I come from a really large family (between them my parents had 20 siblings!!) and can honestly say that there is not a single person would refuse to come to an event due to religious beliefs and there are many different beliefs in our family through personal choice and marriage but we respect each other's choices and embrace it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be as well just being done with it and letting the Ku Klux Klan and Nazis have parades on the streets. If part of your heritage is a blind hatred of people (and very often intimidation) on the basis of creed (all religion is the biggest load of shite) you’re no better than pond scum!

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong

Yes that is wrong, but someone is to blame here, when you say it stopped them being best man , what do you mean ?

My ex's best friend refused to be best man at our wedding because it was in an RC Chapel and he was joining the orange order soon after our wedding. His parents who were close friends with my in laws and neighbours refused to attend too as he was in the orange order which meant they weren't allowed in a chapel.not a true friend then x

Exactly. I come from a really large family (between them my parents had 20 siblings!!) and can honestly say that there is not a single person would refuse to come to an event due to religious beliefs and there are many different beliefs in our family through personal choice and marriage but we respect each other's choices and embrace it.

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Exactly same here CG. 1 or 2 are celtic and rangers fans and a bit of friendly slagging right after an old firm game but thats it. Never spills onto a second day or even bothered about afterwards.

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong

Yes that is wrong, but someone is to blame here, when you say it stopped them being best man , what do you mean ?

My ex's best friend refused to be best man at our wedding because it was in an RC Chapel and he was joining the orange order soon after our wedding. His parents who were close friends with my in laws and neighbours refused to attend too as he was in the orange order which meant they weren't allowed in a chapel.not a true friend then x

Exactly. I come from a really large family (between them my parents had 20 siblings!!) and can honestly say that there is not a single person would refuse to come to an event due to religious beliefs and there are many different beliefs in our family through personal choice and marriage but we respect each other's choices and embrace it.

Exactly same here CG. 1 or 2 are celtic and rangers fans and a bit of friendly slagging right after an old firm game but thats it. Never spills onto a second day or even bothered about afterwards. "

Absolutely, my brothers friends are a really mixed bunch and watch old firm games together. Lots of banter whatever the score and one friend in particular, a rangers supporter, always made a point of going to my parents house to shake hands with my dad after every old firm game as their relationship was more important than any game

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By *ringles0510Woman
over a year ago

Central Borders


"Its similar to football grounds in my opinion. If you are sitting next to someone shouting sectarian or racist abuse you should be held accountable too if you dont report it. You will then see a real change of attitude .

I’m accountable for the moronic actions of another if I don’t report it, seriously? I sit in the Upper Tier of the North Stand at Celtic Park alongside my 70year old father and 25 year old nephew with learning disabilities. There are a hardcore obviously cocaine addled fannies who sit around us who for 90 minutes chant and sing the vilest sectarian shite imaginable. You honestly think I’m going to expose either my father or my nephew to their fury by reporting them? How about the stewards and Police do their jobs rather than a standing with their thumbs up their arses....I’m there to watch my team not get done in an attempt to act as a quasi security guard.

Ok this is not about arguing with you bud , but you are the perfect example of my point. You are sitting listening to the vile around you with your family. What do you do , ? Nothing. !!!

You have a stadium full of people doing NOTHING . I maybe wrong but are seats not numbered, so can you not report it and then the stewards and staff can issue warnings to these people . Is there just the four of you in that section ??? How would that person know it was you who reported it , so yes i say you doing nothing about it is part of the problem mate. "

Personal safety of me and my own first here as well. I wouldn't take on a steward's or policing role at an event like that.

You don't think it's obvious if you disappear to tell on these idiots, the cavalry arrives shortly after and they won't be able to make the connection? I'm not willing to try it and see if they'll figure it out x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its similar to football grounds in my opinion. If you are sitting next to someone shouting sectarian or racist abuse you should be held accountable too if you dont report it. You will then see a real change of attitude .

I’m accountable for the moronic actions of another if I don’t report it, seriously? I sit in the Upper Tier of the North Stand at Celtic Park alongside my 70year old father and 25 year old nephew with learning disabilities. There are a hardcore obviously cocaine addled fannies who sit around us who for 90 minutes chant and sing the vilest sectarian shite imaginable. You honestly think I’m going to expose either my father or my nephew to their fury by reporting them? How about the stewards and Police do their jobs rather than a standing with their thumbs up their arses....I’m there to watch my team not get done in an attempt to act as a quasi security guard.

Ok this is not about arguing with you bud , but you are the perfect example of my point. You are sitting listening to the vile around you with your family. What do you do , ? Nothing. !!!

You have a stadium full of people doing NOTHING . I maybe wrong but are seats not numbered, so can you not report it and then the stewards and staff can issue warnings to these people . Is there just the four of you in that section ??? How would that person know it was you who reported it , so yes i say you doing nothing about it is part of the problem mate.

Personal safety of me and my own first here as well. I wouldn't take on a steward's or policing role at an event like that.

You don't think it's obvious if you disappear to tell on these idiots, the cavalry arrives shortly after and they won't be able to make the connection? I'm not willing to try it and see if they'll figure it out x"

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Its similar to football grounds in my opinion. If you are sitting next to someone shouting sectarian or racist abuse you should be held accountable too if you dont report it. You will then see a real change of attitude .

I’m accountable for the moronic actions of another if I don’t report it, seriously? I sit in the Upper Tier of the North Stand at Celtic Park alongside my 70year old father and 25 year old nephew with learning disabilities. There are a hardcore obviously cocaine addled fannies who sit around us who for 90 minutes chant and sing the vilest sectarian shite imaginable. You honestly think I’m going to expose either my father or my nephew to their fury by reporting them? How about the stewards and Police do their jobs rather than a standing with their thumbs up their arses....I’m there to watch my team not get done in an attempt to act as a quasi security guard.

Ok this is not about arguing with you bud , but you are the perfect example of my point. You are sitting listening to the vile around you with your family. What do you do , ? Nothing. !!!

You have a stadium full of people doing NOTHING . I maybe wrong but are seats not numbered, so can you not report it and then the stewards and staff can issue warnings to these people . Is there just the four of you in that section ??? How would that person know it was you who reported it , so yes i say you doing nothing about it is part of the problem mate.

Personal safety of me and my own first here as well. I wouldn't take on a steward's or policing role at an event like that.

You don't think it's obvious if you disappear to tell on these idiots, the cavalry arrives shortly after and they won't be able to make the connection? I'm not willing to try it and see if they'll figure it out x

"

Is that what you really think a club that genuinely wanted to stamp out bigotry and vile stuff would do ? Put a person at risk for reporting it ? Just Maybe they would quietly appoint a steward or senior steward or whatever nearby or maybe make it appear that he noticed it and acted on it by his own witnessing of it, nobody said the cavalry has to arrive saying there has been a complaint. Like i say doing nothing is not the answer. I believe if i was head of security i could rid a stadium of it within 2 - 3 years . As soon as the word spread that fans were recieving a 1 season ban for anything racist or bigoted then a lifetime ban if they returned the following year and done the same again, you watch how it would change the attitudes. Clubs in my opinion dont do enough to stop it but niether do genuine well behaved fans either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but when it stops you being best man at your friends wedding (friends since they were 5) because it is in a chapel - surely that is wrong

Yes that is wrong, but someone is to blame here, when you say it stopped them being best man , what do you mean ?

My ex's best friend refused to be best man at our wedding because it was in an RC Chapel and he was joining the orange order soon after our wedding. His parents who were close friends with my in laws and neighbours refused to attend too as he was in the orange order which meant they weren't allowed in a chapel."

Brought up Protestant consider myself a atheist, married to a catholic in chapel kids christened catholic’s makes no difference to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What channel was it on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sky a few years ago...got it on YouTube.

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By *horstrollMan
over a year ago

Caprona

Mr Kemp does make good programmes, he makes then compelling to watch, regardless of the subject matter.

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over a year ago

Aye think I seen that one.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"40 years ago, in Scotland (admittedly), you would get sizeable Orange Marches even in wee villages.

That sort of nonsense hasn't happened this century - near where I live, anyway. They all pile into buses and go to that last bastion of bigotry, Glasgow.

Even there, the numbers dwindle. It's progress."

That’s not strictly true, they always march in the villages around Falkirk every year whether people want it or not.

As an Englishman brought up as a catholic I've never understood the point - unless it’s just an excuse for a fight.

Yes by all means celebrate whatever you want, but as others have said, don’t do it to the detriment of others

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over a year ago


"40 years ago, in Scotland (admittedly), you would get sizeable Orange Marches even in wee villages.

That sort of nonsense hasn't happened this century - near where I live, anyway. They all pile into buses and go to that last bastion of bigotry, Glasgow.

Even there, the numbers dwindle. It's progress.

That’s not strictly true, they always march in the villages around Falkirk every year whether people want it or not.

As an Englishman brought up as a catholic I've never understood the point - unless it’s just an excuse for a fight.

Yes by all means celebrate whatever you want, but as others have said, don’t do it to the detriment of others

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over a year ago


"40 years ago, in Scotland (admittedly), you would get sizeable Orange Marches even in wee villages.

That sort of nonsense hasn't happened this century - near where I live, anyway. They all pile into buses and go to that last bastion of bigotry, Glasgow.

Even there, the numbers dwindle. It's progress.

That’s not strictly true, they always march in the villages around Falkirk every year whether people want it or not.

As an Englishman brought up as a catholic I've never understood the point - unless it’s just an excuse for a fight.

Yes by all means celebrate whatever you want, but as others have said, don’t do it to the detriment of others

"

My mum's Catholic parents divorced in the 40's. You can imagine how hard it was for them. Mum married a prodestant, so her father didn't talk to her until he was in need. Mum nurses him till he died of cancer in the 70's.

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"40 years ago, in Scotland (admittedly), you would get sizeable Orange Marches even in wee villages.

That sort of nonsense hasn't happened this century - near where I live, anyway. They all pile into buses and go to that last bastion of bigotry, Glasgow.

Even there, the numbers dwindle. It's progress.

That’s not strictly true, they always march in the villages around Falkirk every year whether people want it or not.

As an Englishman brought up as a catholic I've never understood the point - unless it’s just an excuse for a fight.

Yes by all means celebrate whatever you want, but as others have said, don’t do it to the detriment of others

My mum's Catholic parents divorced in the 40's. You can imagine how hard it was for them. Mum married a prodestant, so her father didn't talk to her until he was in need. Mum nurses him till he died of cancer in the 70's."

That would have been almost unheard of in the 40’s and you would think your grandfather would have been more understanding of your mums marriage given his circumstances

Shows strength of character that your mum nursed him after that, she is obviously a special lady

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