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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What's the general consensus on attached guys playing secretly? Take it easy on me with the responses eh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What's the general consensus on attached guys playing secretly? Take it easy on me with the responses eh "

You'll have your reasons, and I try not to judge, but I'd be more likely to touch a dug shite on the street.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the consensus is it's never wise to make yourself an easy target

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think the consensus is it's never wise to make yourself an easy target "

What do you mean by an easy target? Am no a hussy lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What's the general consensus on attached guys playing secretly? Take it easy on me with the responses eh

You'll have your reasons, and I try not to judge, but I'd be more likely to touch a dug shite on the street."

Lol your honesty is appreciated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the consensus is it's never wise to make yourself an easy target

What do you mean by an easy target? Am no a hussy lol"

Wrap yourself in padding and duck

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By *nox.Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Wouldn't trust someone cheating to be honest. And it's fab swingers not fab cheats but then I'm single so the same could be said about that.

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By *ade and VanessaCouple
over a year ago

Central Scotland


"What's the general consensus on attached guys playing secretly? Take it easy on me with the responses eh

You'll have your reasons, and I try not to judge, but I'd be more likely to touch a dug shite on the street."

Bang on. Same advice to you as to other married men - go talk to your wife and show her some respect.

V

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What's the general consensus on attached guys playing secretly? Take it easy on me with the responses eh

You'll have your reasons, and I try not to judge, but I'd be more likely to touch a dug shite on the street.

Bang on. Same advice to you as to other married men - go talk to your wife and show her some respect.

V"

Slightly off topic (sorry OP) but I don't think cheating partner automatically equates to uncaring or disrespectful bastard/bitch. People could be on here for a myriad of reasons and I can be sympathetic to some. I just have no desire to involve myself directly in someone else's drama. I'd rather conserve my energy for my own fuck ups.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

I meet guys who have partners. There are many reasons why people are on here. Sometimes I’m told and sometimes I’m not.

Having been in a loveless marriage before splitting up I can totally understand why some people are here.

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By *ictiiWitchCouple
over a year ago

Helensburgh

My reason for not agreeing to meet married people without their spouses knowledge or permission: Nobody wants a distraught husband/wife turning up on their doorstep demanding to know why you are sleeping with their spouse, and it almost always happens at some point so cheaters beware!

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By *erriAnneTV/TS
over a year ago

The shire

I don't care it's not my conscience that I've got to life with.

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By *azzle DazzleCouple
over a year ago

strathaven


"I meet guys who have partners. There are many reasons why people are on here. Sometimes I’m told and sometimes I’m not.

Having been in a loveless marriage before splitting up I can totally understand why some people are here. "

Correct you split up.

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By *exinthesunWoman
over a year ago

far far away


"My reason for not agreeing to meet married people without their spouses knowledge or permission: Nobody wants a distraught husband/wife turning up on their doorstep demanding to know why you are sleeping with their spouse, and it almost always happens at some point so cheaters beware!"

I've never had a distraught wife turning up on my doorstep, and I've fucked a fair few married men over the years.

In answer to the OP, I've no issues playing with married men, all I ask is they're honest about it. I'm here to have NSA fun, not to find a boyfriend so already attached men suit me as they're unlikely to get clingy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We never meet cheating people no exceptions.

Not just males that cheat you know!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of my business here for the sex not their life story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely a no no for me as I was the wee wife being cheated on. Someone told me he was on here and reading his veri’s confirmed it to me he wasn’t just having coffee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Red flag... steer clear.. think that covers it.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley


"I meet guys who have partners. There are many reasons why people are on here. Sometimes I’m told and sometimes I’m not.

Having been in a loveless marriage before splitting up I can totally understand why some people are here. Correct you split up.

"

We didn’t cheat on each other. I split up 13 years ago long before I knew about Fab. You made a presumption that was wrong.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley


"My reason for not agreeing to meet married people without their spouses knowledge or permission: Nobody wants a distraught husband/wife turning up on their doorstep demanding to know why you are sleeping with their spouse, and it almost always happens at some point so cheaters beware!

I've never had a distraught wife turning up on my doorstep, and I've fucked a fair few married men over the years.

In answer to the OP, I've no issues playing with married men, all I ask is they're honest about it. I'm here to have NSA fun, not to find a boyfriend so already attached men suit me as they're unlikely to get clingy. "

Totally agree.

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By *ijayMan
over a year ago

Inverness

All negatives...hm

See, swinging is fun, but it's only fun when it's honest.

We are a couple, but Mr is allowed to meet solo and there is no issue here whatsoever.

We all have fantasies and needs to be fulfilled.

Cheating doesn't sound right though.

Not saying that it isn't but it has the perception of dishonesty.

On the other hand, I know so many men who claim their marriage is sexless, hm, is it really? Or perhaps they don't know how to turn their woman on? Or maybe they're already bored?

There are millions thoughts when it comes to cheating males.

And the fact that majority of men here are liars and time wasters doesn't help the genuine ones...

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

I was in a sexless marriage for the last year of it. Nothing really to do with him. I was stressed and depressed, had three young kids and was waiting to go for an operation.

It’s not always the guys that are to blame. There are two sides to every story. We split up 13 years ago long before I knew about Fab or joined any other sites. People are quick to condemn on here at times.

There are married women on here too!

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By *ethany10Couple
over a year ago

falkirk

It is the cheaters problem though not ours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone has their own reasons for playing away from home and who are any lf us to judge another, if I were to meet a married or attached guy and his reasons were in my eyes fairly justified (I’ve known people stay in horrific marriages for a number of treasons both male and female and ones who stay because their partners are ill/disabled) well I’d happily befriend them or if I was single and attracted to them potentially meet for more however I’ve found it’s fairly easy to spot the ones who are just selfish bastards who don’t care about their partners at home and no matter how single I was and how hot they were I’d avoid like the plague

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Weirdly I'd say most folk have a problem with married men more than married women.

Give me a cpl or guy with a hot chick asking to meet them very few would say no ta luv.but a married guy is a cheeting scumbag?

Total double standards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Weirdly I'd say most folk have a problem with married men more than married women.

Give me a cpl or guy with a hot chick asking to meet them very few would say no ta luv.but a married guy is a cheeting scumbag?

Total double standards."

This is true. Women are just as guilty of it.

Each to their own. If you can kip soundly at night then crack on.

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By *xybumWoman
over a year ago

East Kilbride

I would never ever knowingly go near a married man.. seen first hand the devastation cheating does to families and I just think there is no excuse! If your not happy then leave! If not then you made your own bed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would never ever knowingly go near a married man.. seen first hand the devastation cheating does to families and I just think there is no excuse! If your not happy then leave! If not then you made your own bed!"

What if they are happy though with everything apart from their sex life ? They love their partner, kids and are perhaps responsible for the family's financial security? Should they walk away then?

I've never found myself in this situation but I think some people fuck about because it actually allows them to stay in their relationship! It's not always black and white. Well aware that there are absolute cunts out there who fuck about because they are selfish as fuck though.

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By *xybumWoman
over a year ago

East Kilbride


"I would never ever knowingly go near a married man.. seen first hand the devastation cheating does to families and I just think there is no excuse! If your not happy then leave! If not then you made your own bed!

What if they are happy though with everything apart from their sex life ? They love their partner, kids and are perhaps responsible for the family's financial security? Should they walk away then?

I've never found myself in this situation but I think some people fuck about because it actually allows them to stay in their relationship! It's not always black and white. Well aware that there are absolute cunts out there who fuck about because they are selfish as fuck though."

Im sorry but there’s nothing anyone can say to me to make me think cheating is acceptable in any way... totally black and white to me. If you know your partner would be devastated if they found out then your an asshole for doing it, male or female

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes there are married women on here too playing alone.. We do at times get grief aswell but OP least your beeing honest and some will meet you some wont due to you beeing married

I respect pples choices but what grates me is a few will proclaim on profiles or forums... Oh under no terms would i meet a cheater

Then you see few glowing veris from and to married pple on their profiles.. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would never ever knowingly go near a married man.. seen first hand the devastation cheating does to families and I just think there is no excuse! If your not happy then leave! If not then you made your own bed!

What if they are happy though with everything apart from their sex life ? They love their partner, kids and are perhaps responsible for the family's financial security? Should they walk away then?

I've never found myself in this situation but I think some people fuck about because it actually allows them to stay in their relationship! It's not always black and white. Well aware that there are absolute cunts out there who fuck about because they are selfish as fuck though.

Im sorry but there’s nothing anyone can say to me to make me think cheating is acceptable in any way... totally black and white to me. If you know your partner would be devastated if they found out then your an asshole for doing it, male or female"

Fair dos

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes there are married women on here too playing alone.. We do at times get grief aswell but OP least your beeing honest and some will meet you some wont due to you beeing married

I respect pples choices but what grates me is a few will proclaim on profiles or forums... Oh under no terms would i meet a cheater

Then you see few glowing veris from and to married pple on their profiles.. Lol"

That makes me chuckle too

What's worse....the married guy/woman admitting they are on here cheating, or the folk who claim to be whiter than white whilst they were baw deep with a married person at the weekend?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who's up for a meet with me and another couple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes there are married women on here too playing alone.. We do at times get grief aswell but OP least your beeing honest and some will meet you some wont due to you beeing married

I respect pples choices but what grates me is a few will proclaim on profiles or forums... Oh under no terms would i meet a cheater

Then you see few glowing veris from and to married pple on their profiles.. Lol

That makes me chuckle too

What's worse....the married guy/woman admitting they are on here cheating, or the folk who claim to be whiter than white whilst they were baw deep with a married person at the weekend?"

Exactly!!! As some want to look like rightous its a joke at times.. And as for some couples wont meet alone either.. Well some guys do try when the misses is at work or away lol

At the end of the day we are all on fab for our own reasons and none of us have glowing halo's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who's up for a meet with me and another couple "

Sorry, oot with your Mrs tonight

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By *r Costa xxMan
over a year ago

stirling


"Who's up for a meet with me and another couple

Sorry, oot with your Mrs tonight "

Me too, looks like we’re having the real party

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally agree

No o e should be judged on here if you don't meet married folk..great great for you but please don't slate anyone that is or does meet married folk at the end of the day we are all on a sex site.so he without sin...cast the 1st stone and all that pish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Totally agree

No o e should be judged on here if you don't meet married folk..great great for you but please don't slate anyone that is or does meet married folk at the end of the day we are all on a sex site.so he without sin...cast the 1st stone and all that pish "

I'd brick you any opportunity I got

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

It's my life. If you want to judge me go ahead I couldn't give two flying FOOKs.

I'm the me a time by yourself a mirror all you married couples meeting ..but it's OK cause we agreed it's OK..

your vows where the same as mine.

Ps The amount of married woman I've met who don't meet married men...Aye right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Totally agree

No o e should be judged on here if you don't meet married folk..great great for you but please don't slate anyone that is or does meet married folk at the end of the day we are all on a sex site.so he without sin...cast the 1st stone and all that pish

I'd brick you any opportunity I got "

ahhh I love you too doggy

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)


"Totally agree

No o e should be judged on here if you don't meet married folk..great great for you but please don't slate anyone that is or does meet married folk at the end of the day we are all on a sex site.so he without sin...cast the 1st stone and all that pish

I'd brick you any opportunity I got ahhh I love you too doggy "

Whole you porn concept...Can you do it in lacy underwear and mud

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Weirdly I'd say most folk have a problem with married men more than married women.

Give me a cpl or guy with a hot chick asking to meet them very few would say no ta luv.but a married guy is a cheeting scumbag?

Total double standards."

Well considering it’s mostly women who are replying to the op we’re not really getting a true insight into folks thoughts, I treat women and men the same only difference being in straight but would telling a woman who’s cheating just because she can and doesn’t care that I don’t agree with her carry on as much as I would to men

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By *ustooCouple
over a year ago

East Fife

As a mature long time married couple we have only met married guys either as a couple or meeting on our own, Mrs feels more secure meeting married guys on her own and has no issues letting me meeting women single or married so it works both ways it’s not cheating

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!


"As a mature long time married couple we have only met married guys either as a couple or meeting on our own, Mrs feels more secure meeting married guys on her own and has no issues letting me meeting women single or married so it works both ways it’s not cheating "
No its not its playing with consent & there is a big difference between that & cheating .

Some call it playing alone which to me implies playing with consent but whatever term people want to put on it some will some wont Op

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

igot a message last week asking if i was ok with an attatched or married man

my answer... i sleep with one every night. i certainly dont need another one.

mrs shambles

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By *ictiiWitchCouple
over a year ago

Helensburgh

Interesting that the ones slating those of us who were honest for judging cheaters don't seem to realise they are judging us right back.

So, people who have come across the bad end of seeing married people, people who have had a cheating partner and suffered the pain of that experience, it's not ok for us to not want to meet them? Wanting to make sure we don't get hurt or burned again is something you should get to judge us for?

Nope sorry, can't have it both ways, either all opinions and personal choices are valid or they aren't. I personally think a case by case basis would be essential.

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By *nox.Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Interesting that the ones slating those of us who were honest for judging cheaters don't seem to realise they are judging us right back.

So, people who have come across the bad end of seeing married people, people who have had a cheating partner and suffered the pain of that experience, it's not ok for us to not want to meet them? Wanting to make sure we don't get hurt or burned again is something you should get to judge us for?

Nope sorry, can't have it both ways, either all opinions and personal choices are valid or they aren't. I personally think a case by case basis would be essential. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree

Its all about personal choice

No one has the right to judge anyone on a sex site.

Those that dont great

Those that do fair enough.

Each to their own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Totally agree

No o e should be judged on here if you don't meet married folk..great great for you but please don't slate anyone that is or does meet married folk at the end of the day we are all on a sex site.so he without sin...cast the 1st stone and all that pish

I'd brick you any opportunity I got ahhh I love you too doggy

Whole you porn concept...Can you do it in lacy underwear and mud "

Pay per view if you're married

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By *ade and VanessaCouple
over a year ago

Central Scotland

With permission then no issues. It's the lying that constitutes 'cheating' rather swinging to me and it's that part I have an issue with.

V x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With permission then no issues. It's the lying that constitutes 'cheating' rather swinging to me and it's that part I have an issue with.

V x"

Unless you actually talk to the female and hear her give her permission or she has her own verified profile,then it's very easy for the man to state " hi it'lucy here,my man has my permission to play alone"

All the while lucy had no idea she is on a cpls profile on fabs or else lucy is under the bed needing inflated

Call us cynics if you want but the above does happen

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By *ade and VanessaCouple
over a year ago

Central Scotland


"With permission then no issues. It's the lying that constitutes 'cheating' rather swinging to me and it's that part I have an issue with.

V x

Unless you actually talk to the female and hear her give her permission or she has her own verified profile,then it's very easy for the man to state " hi it'lucy here,my man has my permission to play alone"

All the while lucy had no idea she is on a cpls profile on fabs or else lucy is under the bed needing inflated

Call us cynics if you want but the above does happen "

Agreed

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)


"Totally agree

No o e should be judged on here if you don't meet married folk..great great for you but please don't slate anyone that is or does meet married folk at the end of the day we are all on a sex site.so he without sin...cast the 1st stone and all that pish

I'd brick you any opportunity I got ahhh I love you too doggy

Whole you porn concept...Can you do it in lacy underwear and mud

Pay per view if you're married "

I'll pay in Kind ....Do you take Friends Provident Cheques by any chance

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

[Removed by poster at 15/02/19 14:41:04]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Totally agree

No o e should be judged on here if you don't meet married folk..great great for you but please don't slate anyone that is or does meet married folk at the end of the day we are all on a sex site.so he without sin...cast the 1st stone and all that pish

I'd brick you any opportunity I got ahhh I love you too doggy

Whole you porn concept...Can you do it in lacy underwear and mud

Pay per view if you're married

I'll pay in Kind ....Do you take Friends Provident Cheques by any chance "

any high street vouchers will be accepted

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!


"With permission then no issues. It's the lying that constitutes 'cheating' rather swinging to me and it's that part I have an issue with.

V x

Unless you actually talk to the female and hear her give her permission or she has her own verified profile,then it's very easy for the man to state " hi it'lucy here,my man has my permission to play alone"

All the while lucy had no idea she is on a cpls profile on fabs or else lucy is under the bed needing inflated

Call us cynics if you want but the above does happen "

I most of us are not that gullable to believe one half of a couple without speak to their partners .

Im fortunate enough to have had a few couples who were more than happy to share their partners

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Totally agree

No o e should be judged on here if you don't meet married folk..great great for you but please don't slate anyone that is or does meet married folk at the end of the day we are all on a sex site.so he without sin...cast the 1st stone and all that pish

I'd brick you any opportunity I got ahhh I love you too doggy

Whole you porn concept...Can you do it in lacy underwear and mud

Pay per view if you're married

I'll pay in Kind ....Do you take Friends Provident Cheques by any chance any high street vouchers will be accepted "

Cheap date....just as I thought

I'd have held out for an M&S gift card at least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's just cause your posh

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)


"Totally agree

No o e should be judged on here if you don't meet married folk..great great for you but please don't slate anyone that is or does meet married folk at the end of the day we are all on a sex site.so he without sin...cast the 1st stone and all that pish

I'd brick you any opportunity I got ahhh I love you too doggy

Whole you porn concept...Can you do it in lacy underwear and mud

Pay per view if you're married

I'll pay in Kind ....Do you take Friends Provident Cheques by any chance any high street vouchers will be accepted

Cheap date....just as I thought

I'd have held out for an M&S gift card at least."

That would have burst the deal ..Best you where getting was a Provi cheque and 200 Morrison's points

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By *awaiianguyMan
over a year ago

East Ayrshire


"What's the general consensus on attached guys playing secretly? Take it easy on me with the responses eh

You'll have your reasons, and I try not to judge, but I'd be more likely to touch a dug shite on the street."

Jesus H - that made me snort coffee down my nose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cheated on my partner and got caught. It was horrifying to see how my actions devastated her.

I understand the reasons are complex and not everyone is able to talk to their other halves sadly, or think that it will help their relationship. I feel a lot of people just don't talk properly anymore.

I prefer seeing married men for many reasons - the boundaries being the main reason, and the fact that hahah yes, they tend to be better as 'broken in' compared to single men. The only downside for me is the time they have available, and that we can't be seen in public. I do think about the wives a lot. What satisfaction are they getting?? Men have more opportunities to cheat, aren't looking after children/homes/and a job etc.

I had one lover who actively disliked his wife and stayed because he'd lose money. That was pretty horrible. Another I helped return to his wife and coached him on seduction etc. That felt like putting the balance right.

I grew up always wanting to be the Mistress a la the French. She retained her power and got the positive aspects of the man. No arguments about dishes or tedium or control. It's rare that a relationship flows perfectly and I strongly believe that you can't get everything from one person but that requires talking and care. Men don't do open or flexible relationships very well.

Life isn't black and white and communication is key. People get too scared to leave too. That always makes me sad, especially if it's their 2nd marriage. Liife is short, respect one another.

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By *quirtiliscious1Woman
over a year ago

Dundee

Surely it’s up the the individual who they meet or don’t meet. Discussing it in public will make no difference in my opinion

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley


"I cheated on my partner and got caught. It was horrifying to see how my actions devastated her.

I understand the reasons are complex and not everyone is able to talk to their other halves sadly, or think that it will help their relationship. I feel a lot of people just don't talk properly anymore.

I prefer seeing married men for many reasons - the boundaries being the main reason, and the fact that hahah yes, they tend to be better as 'broken in' compared to single men. The only downside for me is the time they have available, and that we can't be seen in public. I do think about the wives a lot. What satisfaction are they getting?? Men have more opportunities to cheat, aren't looking after children/homes/and a job etc.

I had one lover who actively disliked his wife and stayed because he'd lose money. That was pretty horrible. Another I helped return to his wife and coached him on seduction etc. That felt like putting the balance right.

I grew up always wanting to be the Mistress a la the French. She retained her power and got the positive aspects of the man. No arguments about dishes or tedium or control. It's rare that a relationship flows perfectly and I strongly believe that you can't get everything from one person but that requires talking and care. Men don't do open or flexible relationships very well.

Life isn't black and white and communication is key. People get too scared to leave too. That always makes me sad, especially if it's their 2nd marriage. Liife is short, respect one another."

Well said. You talk a lot of sense. Yes I believe we can redress the balance if a partner can learn to seduce their partner again. Sometimes they lack the confidence to make that first move. Fab can be supportive and helpful. It’s not about splitting up relationships.

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By *adgieboyMan
over a year ago

Central Scotland

People's hormones change as they get older and are not interested in sex. Sometimes they will have sex with their partner just for their sake and not their own. Some find this unsatisfactory and would rsther fo without. The alternative is to find people who still enjoy sex. Fabswingers is a way of meeting people and having fun. The alternative would be to visit Escorts. Just an alternative viewpoint. ????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Well said. You talk a lot of sense. Yes I believe we can redress the balance if a partner can learn to seduce their partner again. Sometimes they lack the confidence to make that first move. Fab can be supportive and helpful. It’s not about splitting up relationships. "

Thanks. It's true.

One interaction that stayed with me a long time was with a man in his late 70s. BDSM night in the early 2000s. His wife had died the week before and he explained how deeply sad he was yet also happy for the first time in his life. She'd caught him dressed in women's underwear and said he was filthy, dirty etc and if he ever did it again she'd divorce him. He loved her so he didn't. Now he finally could and was ecstatic.

Our sexualities and desires aren't simple either. What then? A life unlived? I can't think of anything more painful. What if talking gets you nowhere? Monogamy can be hard and restrictive too. There are many forms of love and relationships.

I left an otherwise perfect relationship and dream future because I needed to have sex with men. We were open too. I still mourn it but I'm happier. Life is short.

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By *ust looking!Man
over a year ago

Falkirk

Well said, blach fister

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

The same as married fems playing away without permission

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By *eiaorganaWoman
over a year ago

Dundee

Everyone has their own reasons for doing what they do. I don’t judge anyone, it’s their business not mine. Unless they are openly being shitty about their other half, then they’re not for me.

I’m in a relationship, we have a couple profile and both profiles reference the other so nothing is hidden between us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a married guy BUT on the subject of doing it, using a site like this I mean, without my wife's knowledge.. Its not something I'd do. I like that my wife and I have that 100% honesty with each other. I don't judge those who have their own reasons for doing what they do but I do prefer anyone I play with who has a partner that their partner knows about me.

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By *ixie and adamCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

No thanks. If you want to mess up your relationship that’s up to you but I don’t want anything to do with it. I don’t understand why people can’t do the recent thing and break up when their partners if they don’t want to see other people. It’s common courtesy.

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