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By *uietbloke67 OP   Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

Watching this on the TV where they are actively campaigning for teachers to carry guns....What's happened to that country ...it's went nuts!!

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By *ab femWoman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

They are caught in a vicious circle. I'm so glad we have strict gun laws

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scary shit

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By *itznBobz2018Couple
over a year ago

edinburgh

It’s the American way. The only way to stop gun violence is to arm more people. I mean that makes perfect sense. I read today that we had 32 shootings in Britain last year America had 32000. And the weapon of choice is a military grade assault rifle. The place is just bonkers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I worked for and with Americans for a number of years. While the experience was enjoyable and educational in many ways, there are some of their practices and beliefs I'll never understand. Guns is one of those factors. What we have to remember is that their Constitution was written over 200 years ago and their "Right to bear arms" belongs to the 18th century. It has never been changed and probably never will be, as so many of them are so protective about it and go berserk if you dare to criticise what they see as their basic human right. A firearms rule pre-dating the times of the Wild West still in force today - is it any wonder they have problems? Madness...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watching it too.

If the reaction of the wee fella who was shot isn't enough to convince them it's a bad idea then Christ knows what is.

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By *uietbloke67 OP   Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

[Removed by poster at 04/02/19 21:52:22]

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By *uietbloke67 OP   Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

Old white middle class men promoting fear to feed their male ego.... the politics of fear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Old white middle class men promoting fear to feed their male ego.... the politics of fear."

In a lot of cases, absolutely. What regularly surprised me was the number of women who defend their "right" to the hilt. Self-protection, etc, even though carrying publicly is illegal in most if not all States. I don't see there being an answer as more guns for one purpose simply lead to more being bought for another purpose. The only winners are the gun manufacturers.

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By *ictiiWitchCouple
over a year ago

Helensburgh

They are a bit paranoid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They are a bit paranoid."

They certainly are - but actually telling them that is not really a great idea...

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By *ictiiWitchCouple
over a year ago

Helensburgh


"They are a bit paranoid.

They certainly are - but actually telling them that is not really a great idea... "

I believe Michael Moore already did in a documentary called Bowling for Columbine. It was eye opening to be sure..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They are a bit paranoid.

They certainly are - but actually telling them that is not really a great idea...

I believe Michael Moore already did in a documentary called Bowling for Columbine. It was eye opening to be sure.."

Haven't seen the documentary but can probably imagine what he would have come across. I will check YouTube for it - and watch from behind my big chair with one eye only in anticipation of the explosions!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Work in education, that's the scariest thing I've seen. I can't believe just how backwards they are in their thinking. And they believe it's the best way and only way forward.

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By *ade and VanessaCouple
over a year ago

Central Scotland

In terms of schools, it's not even the guns that are the root of the issue. If a young person feels so ostracised and broken by their peers and teachers that they resort to that kind of atrocity then the means of carrying it out is moot. It's the mental state of their kids and the society and cultures within schools and the USA as a while that needs changing. It's worrying how close we'll get to it here too.

V x

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By *ictiiWitchCouple
over a year ago

Helensburgh


"They are a bit paranoid.

They certainly are - but actually telling them that is not really a great idea...

I believe Michael Moore already did in a documentary called Bowling for Columbine. It was eye opening to be sure..

Haven't seen the documentary but can probably imagine what he would have come across. I will check YouTube for it - and watch from behind my big chair with one eye only in anticipation of the explosions! "

He goes around houses etc in America then does the same in Canada. In Canada they leave their doors unlocked and don't threaten to shoot him for it. It's very interesting..

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By *eardyBikerMan
over a year ago

nr stonehaven

Beyond angry and saddened watching that.

The idea that a "good" guy with a gun beats a "bad " guy with a gun.

Lunacy ... the ideology of escalation

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By *ictiiWitchCouple
over a year ago

Helensburgh


"Beyond angry and saddened watching that.

The idea that a "good" guy with a gun beats a "bad " guy with a gun.

Lunacy ... the ideology of escalation "

Not to mention putting weapons even NEARER to school kids.

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By *ictiiWitchCouple
over a year ago

Helensburgh

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Looks like 52 kids age 0 -11 and 214 12-17 yr olds in 2019 so far

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We aren't allowed hand guns anymore but we can legally buy enough industrial fireworks(explosives) to blow the shit out of a substantial building

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I was over in New York a few years ago and they are just bonkers. Pure and simple.

I got talking to a cop who refused to believe that British police were not routinely armed.

There was a 23 yo red neck in the hotel who owned 15 rifles to go duck shooting.

They will never change and nothing is ever going to get better with Trump in power.

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By *ickedinmarylandCouple
over a year ago

chevy chase

Hi, I’m Dan, the male half of _ickedinmaryland, and I’m a teacher in a private school near Washington DC. It really depends on where you are on terms of the whole “arm the teachers” idea. In Maryland, we’re having none of it. Perhaps in Texas they are gun crazy enough to consider that shit.

Here’s what will happen if teachers carry guns. Teachers reflect the general population: there are hard working ones, lazy ones (these don’t last in private schools), smart ones and dumb ones and yes normal and crazy ones. The percentage of crazy teachers is probably no different than the general population on average. So if you arm your teachers, some will be crazy and end up hurting themselves, students or other teachers. It’s an accident waiting to happen. The insanity of it is beyond me.

I wish we could do an “Australia” and ban all guns and remove them from the general population, but the crazy right-wingers and the NRA will never let it happen. I was raised in rural Michigan and hunted and even trapped animals as a kid. I grew up and realized that what I was doing was wrong. But even if you think guns are OK for hunting, who needs an AR-15 with a 30-round mag and a bump-stock to hunt? It’s insanity and I have to try and change it but I’m the meantime I have to live with it. Maybe I’ll move to Canada, if they’d have me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We aren't allowed hand guns anymore but we can legally buy enough industrial fireworks(explosives) to blow the shit out of a substantial building"

Don't be silly ofcourse we are still allowed to own firearms in the UK

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By *uietbloke67 OP   Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)


"Hi, I’m Dan, the male half of _ickedinmaryland, and I’m a teacher in a private school near Washington DC. It really depends on where you are on terms of the whole “arm the teachers” idea. In Maryland, we’re having none of it. Perhaps in Texas they are gun crazy enough to consider that shit.

Here’s what will happen if teachers carry guns. Teachers reflect the general population: there are hard working ones, lazy ones (these don’t last in private schools), smart ones and dumb ones and yes normal and crazy ones. The percentage of crazy teachers is probably no different than the general population on average. So if you arm your teachers, some will be crazy and end up hurting themselves, students or other teachers. It’s an accident waiting to happen. The insanity of it is beyond me.

I wish we could do an “Australia” and ban all guns and remove them from the general population, but the crazy right-wingers and the NRA will never let it happen. I was raised in rural Michigan and hunted and even trapped animals as a kid. I grew up and realized that what I was doing was wrong. But even if you think guns are OK for hunting, who needs an AR-15 with a 30-round mag and a bump-stock to hunt? It’s insanity and I have to try and change it but I’m the meantime I have to live with it. Maybe I’ll move to Canada, if they’d have me..."

Thanks for your contribution and your saneness (if that's a word), we need more of you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We aren't allowed hand guns anymore but we can legally buy enough industrial fireworks(explosives) to blow the shit out of a substantial building

Don't be silly ofcourse we are still allowed to own firearms in the UK"

Not handguns. Read what I said. We can have Air weapons, certain rifles and shotguns all subject quite rightly to stringent criteria.

My point is a tangent tbf. I'm saying fireworks should be more strictly controlled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Old white middle class men promoting fear to feed their male ego.... the politics of fear.

In a lot of cases, absolutely. What regularly surprised me was the number of women who defend their "right" to the hilt. Self-protection, etc, even though carrying publicly is illegal in most if not all States. I don't see there being an answer as more guns for one purpose simply lead to more being bought for another purpose. The only winners are the gun manufacturers. "

And there you have your answer! Big companies making billions on the back of brain washed proletariat supported by the government. Rediculous state of affairs and has been did above I can't see a way out of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jim Jefferies Gun Control, best argument against the second amendment ever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just shy of 400 million guns in the hands of the public in the States, more than one per person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jim Jefferies Gun Control, best argument against the second amendment ever "

And what's Billy Browns stance...??

Just a wee joke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jim Jefferies Gun Control, best argument against the second amendment ever

And what's Billy Browns stance...??

Just a wee joke "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jim Jefferies Gun Control, best argument against the second amendment ever

And what's Billy Browns stance...??

Just a wee joke "

I should have said Jim Jefferies Australian stand up comedian.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I view american people as patriots who have their flag wrapped around their head and will follow it to the grave without questioning.

They have such high believe that their country is so great and wonderful, that questioning it's constitution is nonsense and traitorous.

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By *ickedinmarylandCouple
over a year ago

chevy chase


"Thanks for your contribution and your saneness (if that's a word), we need more of you."

There are a hell of a lot of people here who feel like me. The problem is the political system. Hard to get a congressman to vote for gun control when his election fund is paid for by the NRA, Remington, Browning, Colt, etc.

Even if they get voted out, the next one in is likely still in the same pockets of corporate interests.

We don’t seem to have a way of doing a national referendum to make laws with our current constitution, but that is what it would take to get a change.

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By *izzmasterzeroMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Well how else are you going to stop a psycho shooting up a school full of children? Would you be happy waiting for the police to show up 10 minutes after the first shot was fired whilst your kids hide under a desk praying the shooter doesn't walk through that door, and then wait even more time whilst the police search the building trying to find the guys??? Or, have teachers trained to use guns so they can stop the threat in a matter of moments after that first shot saving countless lives?

It's not ideal but it's the best solution

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By *ade and VanessaCouple
over a year ago

Central Scotland


"Well how else are you going to stop a psycho shooting up a school full of children? Would you be happy waiting for the police to show up 10 minutes after the first shot was fired whilst your kids hide under a desk praying the shooter doesn't walk through that door, and then wait even more time whilst the police search the building trying to find the guys??? Or, have teachers trained to use guns so they can stop the threat in a matter of moments after that first shot saving countless lives?

It's not ideal but it's the best solution"

The best solution?

The best solution would be removing guns from the general populous and making them far more difficult to obtain.

The best solution would be addressing the societal issues making this kind of gun violence so common.

The worst solution imaginable would be adding to the guns in schools by giving them to staff who wouldn't want to use them or feel safe doing so.

V x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well how else are you going to stop a psycho shooting up a school full of children? Would you be happy waiting for the police to show up 10 minutes after the first shot was fired whilst your kids hide under a desk praying the shooter doesn't walk through that door, and then wait even more time whilst the police search the building trying to find the guys??? Or, have teachers trained to use guns so they can stop the threat in a matter of moments after that first shot saving countless lives?

It's not ideal but it's the best solution"

Here's an idea.....CHANGE THE GUN LAWS!!!!!!!. What happens if the teacher turns psycho, oh I know let's arm the kids, then the school pet. NRA own all the politicians and 'donate millions to political parties to get there way. Obama once said that he was the most powerful man in the world but was powerless to change the gun law as it's their constitutional rights to bare arms. As long as those idiots have a say more and more will get killed and putting a gun in the hands of a teacher who then thinks they are Rambo won't change a thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I worked for and with Americans for a number of years. While the experience was enjoyable and educational in many ways, there are some of their practices and beliefs I'll never understand. Guns is one of those factors. What we have to remember is that their Constitution was written over 200 years ago and their "Right to bear arms" belongs to the 18th century. It has never been changed and probably never will be, as so many of them are so protective about it and go berserk if you dare to criticise what they see as their basic human right. A firearms rule pre-dating the times of the Wild West still in force today - is it any wonder they have problems? Madness..."

Back in the cowboys and Indians days when they were allowed to carry guns to protect themselves from the indigenous tribes

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By *izzmasterzeroMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen


"Well how else are you going to stop a psycho shooting up a school full of children? Would you be happy waiting for the police to show up 10 minutes after the first shot was fired whilst your kids hide under a desk praying the shooter doesn't walk through that door, and then wait even more time whilst the police search the building trying to find the guys??? Or, have teachers trained to use guns so they can stop the threat in a matter of moments after that first shot saving countless lives?

It's not ideal but it's the best solution

The best solution?

The best solution would be removing guns from the general populous and making them far more difficult to obtain.

The best solution would be addressing the societal issues making this kind of gun violence so common.

The worst solution imaginable would be adding to the guns in schools by giving them to staff who wouldn't want to use them or feel safe doing so.

V x"

Obviously the best solution would be to remove all guns but it's America so there will always be guns and they will always land in the wrong hands, until no member of the public ever owns a gun ever and all guns are destroyed and people have x-ray vision to ensure nobody's carrying then I'd say the teachers should be trained to use and carry one, it's their job to protect our children whilst in their care so how else can they do that when a maniac stalks the corridors with a shotgun, polite language ain't gonna do a thing in that situation. Even if there were no guns they would burst in throwing grenades and swinging machetes and would still need to be stopped somehow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If and when the teachers are all armed in the US it's only a matter of time before we read about kids being shot by one of them.

There was also a study which demonstrated how poorly trained police marksmen actually performed in real life situations. The accuracy of their shot fell from something like 85% (in training) to 20% (on a shooting incident). How the hell would a teacher who's been on a weekend training course score in that situation?

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By *ickedinmarylandCouple
over a year ago

chevy chase


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The worst solution imaginable would be adding to the guns in schools by giving them to staff who wouldn't want to use them or feel safe doing so.

V x"

I agree, but they cannot force individuals to carry firearms, just allow those to carry who have been trained. My problem is, some of those trained to carry are going to end up shooting themselves or others because, you know what, there are unstable people in all walks of life, including teaching.

Guns have no place in schools with the possible exception of having one police officer per school. Some of them will make mistakes but it’s a lot safer having one career trained individual carrying than 50 “trained” teachers carrying in a school. You will end up with a lot more dead students from crazies and incompetents than you will from random school shooters. Please look at how many people die at home from gun-related accidents and murders from incidents between family members. Compare the US to any country with very tight gun control. How can you possibly argue our schools and country are safer with 400 million guns out there?

What’s reasonable considering the history of the US? Pretty much we should ban all hand guns and all long guns with over a 5-shot magazine. Hunting rifles and shot guns would be allowed under those rules. It will never happen though because of all the crazies.

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By *ade and VanessaCouple
over a year ago

Central Scotland

Hold on, I have a better idea!

We build a massive wall all around the continental USA. All outlying land can become Independant or join Canada. We remove all nuclear weapons and controls and cease all travel out of the country.

Then we fly a drone over every now and again to check in.

We can run a sweepstakes on which dydtopian future plays out - hunger games, Fahrenheit 451,a handmaid's tale or a lesser known (but my favourite) Margaret Atwood option of the heart goes last.

Just make sure you vote for me and I'll make it happen

V x

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By *izzmasterzeroMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Maybe we should arm teachers with feather dusters so they can distract the killers with delightful fun time tickles until the police arrive? Options are either arm the teachers or have armed security in every school, obviously if there's guns then at some point something bad will happen and someone innocent will get shot or some teacher will have a breakdown and go gun happy one day but in a country full of guns that will always happen as it already does. Obviously there shouldn't be guns and there shouldn't be guns in schools but what other option is there to protect schools when you have crazies shooting them up? Until there are no guns there will always be asshole crazies getting their hands on guns no matter what the law say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If and when the teachers are all armed in the US it's only a matter of time before we read about kids being shot by one of them.

There was also a study which demonstrated how poorly trained police marksmen actually performed in real life situations. The accuracy of their shot fell from something like 85% (in training) to 20% (on a shooting incident). How the hell would a teacher who's been on a weekend training course score in that situation?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We aren't allowed hand guns anymore but we can legally buy enough industrial fireworks(explosives) to blow the shit out of a substantial building"
not for much longer.. they are looking at changing the law in Scotland.

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