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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre

In Switzerland it is legal to have what is known as assisted or accompanied suicide and support for it is growing across other countries too.

Do you think it is something that we in the UK or even Scotland should consider bringing in ? .

We have a choice how we live so given the right circumstances should we also have the choice how we end our life too ?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

By Ann1330 Woman

just this minute! 

Glasgow

Yes, and I deal with palliative care on a daily basis and it's heart breaking. Families look at me thinking i can fix their family member and I can't. There has to be some other option however the legalities are enormous and I'm afraid many people pass the point where they are no longer deemed to have the capacity to make a desicion like that. People with long term health problems need to look at person centred care options more closely and make that plan should it be even 20 years away. Patients can decide on DNR'S but not how they choose to die. It's a subject I feel strongly about and was part of my thesis. However I have to remain impartial due to my job ..but I am very passionate about this issue x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Without a doubt yes, it's my life, my choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes defo..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"By Ann1330 Woman

just this minute! 

Glasgow

Yes, and I deal with palliative care on a daily basis and it's heart breaking. Families look at me thinking i can fix their family member and I can't. There has to be some other option however the legalities are enormous and I'm afraid many people pass the point where they are no longer deemed to have the capacity to make a desicion like that. People with long term health problems need to look at person centred care options more closely and make that plan should it be even 20 years away. Patients can decide on DNR'S but not how they choose to die. It's a subject I feel strongly about and was part of my thesis. However I have to remain impartial due to my job ..but I am very passionate about this issue x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

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over a year ago


"By Ann1330 Woman

just this minute! 

Glasgow

Yes, and I deal with palliative care on a daily basis and it's heart breaking. Families look at me thinking i can fix their family member and I can't. There has to be some other option however the legalities are enormous and I'm afraid many people pass the point where they are no longer deemed to have the capacity to make a desicion like that. People with long term health problems need to look at person centred care options more closely and make that plan should it be even 20 years away. Patients can decide on DNR'S but not how they choose to die. It's a subject I feel strongly about and was part of my thesis. However I have to remain impartial due to my job ..but I am very passionate about this issue x

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Yes I agree.

As you've alluded to however it should only be applied in well very specific and very clear circumstances.

There comes a point often where quality of life is much more important than quantity to an individual and these individuals deserve the right die with dignity.

It's a subject which shouldn't be taboo and I agree individuals should discuss this with their nearest and dearest years in advance as a future possibly and make their wishes clear when they have all their faculties and are legally able to consent.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Yyes.....though im not fond of i think its belgiums model where anyone can get assisted suicide

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

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By *anon6dMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Yes. Tipical churchy things not letting us live the life ( or not) we all so desire.

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By *ade and VanessaCouple
over a year ago

Central Scotland


"By Ann1330 Woman

just this minute! 

Glasgow

Yes, and I deal with palliative care on a daily basis and it's heart breaking. Families look at me thinking i can fix their family member and I can't. There has to be some other option however the legalities are enormous and I'm afraid many people pass the point where they are no longer deemed to have the capacity to make a desicion like that. People with long term health problems need to look at person centred care options more closely and make that plan should it be even 20 years away. Patients can decide on DNR'S but not how they choose to die. It's a subject I feel strongly about and was part of my thesis. However I have to remain impartial due to my job ..but I am very passionate about this issue x

Yes I agree.

As you've alluded to however it should only be applied in well very specific and very clear circumstances.

There comes a point often where quality of life is much more important than quantity to an individual and these individuals deserve the right die with dignity.

It's a subject which shouldn't be taboo and I agree individuals should discuss this with their nearest and dearest years in advance as a future possibly and make their wishes clear when they have all their faculties and are legally able to consent.

"

All of this!

V x

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By *ictiiWitchCouple
over a year ago

Helensburgh

Yes, and straight to valhalla they should go..

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By *ade and VanessaCouple
over a year ago

Central Scotland

Really not much of a debate here is there?

Finally, a topic we all agree on!

Until hedevil comes back on

V x

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By *tew008Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

Yup,

On another note did anyone read about the American old boy that had the meth, death metal, sex party to kill his wife. She was terminal and in palliative care. So she asked for last night of fun. The guys police mugshot looks so happy

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"By Ann1330 Woman

just this minute! 

Glasgow

Yes, and I deal with palliative care on a daily basis and it's heart breaking. Families look at me thinking i can fix their family member and I can't. There has to be some other option however the legalities are enormous and I'm afraid many people pass the point where they are no longer deemed to have the capacity to make a desicion like that. People with long term health problems need to look at person centred care options more closely and make that plan should it be even 20 years away. Patients can decide on DNR'S but not how they choose to die. It's a subject I feel strongly about and was part of my thesis. However I have to remain impartial due to my job ..but I am very passionate about this issue x

"

Im actually quite shocked if im honest , i agree with all these comments above and i am also a definite yes by the way. Im shocked that in one small snapshot of society there can be 100% support for something and yet it is still not getting through to the powers that be. What i will add though is that i guarantee in the next 20 years or so with rising health care costs going up every year the governments WILL set about making it legal. Not from any moral or caring standpoint but as a way of saving money. MSD already knows my wishes on this issue if medically i ever got to the point ann speaks of.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Really not much of a debate here is there?

Finally, a topic we all agree on!

Until hedevil comes back on

V x"

V my intention is never to cause arguments but simply introduce topics for discussion, sometimes topics that are tabboo, yes they may turn ugly at times while people totally defend a view but as long as its done without insult then its all good . I genuinely thought id get slaughtered for this thread as it is a sad issue for many people who have been through suicide situations so appologies to any of those people who feel that way and have not responded with a post. Xx

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By *ictiiWitchCouple
over a year ago

Helensburgh


"Really not much of a debate here is there?

Finally, a topic we all agree on!

Until hedevil comes back on

V x

V my intention is never to cause arguments but simply introduce topics for discussion, sometimes topics that are tabboo, yes they may turn ugly at times while people totally defend a view but as long as its done without insult then its all good . I genuinely thought id get slaughtered for this thread as it is a sad issue for many people who have been through suicide situations so appologies to any of those people who feel that way and have not responded with a post. Xx"

You want to start a discussion try stovies recipes or piercing babies ears..

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By *rMrsWTFCouple
over a year ago

Arbroath


"In Switzerland it is legal to have what is known as assisted or accompanied suicide and support for it is growing across other countries too.

Do you think it is something that we in the UK or even Scotland should consider bringing in ? .

We have a choice how we live so given the right circumstances should we also have the choice how we end our life too ?.

"

Absolutely we should be able to make this choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's not allowed just now as there is too many grey areas.

You hear of folk tryi g yo sell their elderly parents houses or to get them in a home and such like.opening it up for abuse.if it's in a will signed by a lawyer and a certificate from the doctor then I dont see why folks wishes can't be carried out.its like a do not resusatate (No spell check working) but you know what I mean. Someone has made that desicion not to carry on.

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By *uburban_kinkCouple
over a year ago

Motherwell

In some ways we treat animals better than we do fellow humans.

I'm all for allowing it to be a personal choice by those of sound mind, don't see why anyone should be forced to live in constant pain if they do not wish to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In some ways we treat animals better than we do fellow humans.

I'm all for allowing it to be a personal choice by those of sound mind, don't see why anyone should be forced to live in constant pain if they do not wish to."

Have to agree would not let an animal suffer but its ok for us humans as a few are against and block the vote. If some of them were forced to watch someone suffer for weeks then I am sure they would soon change there minds.

On the other hand when goes totally the other way and life is ended prematurely at hospital that has been in the news of late nothing is done when looks a strong case for manslaughter if not murder.

One thing is clear its not working at present and government needs to act soon.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"In some ways we treat animals better than we do fellow humans.

I'm all for allowing it to be a personal choice by those of sound mind, don't see why anyone should be forced to live in constant pain if they do not wish to.

Have to agree would not let an animal suffer but its ok for us humans as a few are against and block the vote. If some of them were forced to watch someone suffer for weeks then I am sure they would soon change there minds.

On the other hand when goes totally the other way and life is ended prematurely at hospital that has been in the news of late nothing is done when looks a strong case for manslaughter if not murder.

One thing is clear its not working at present and government needs to act soon. "

The rising population and rising bill for care will force a change within next 20 years in my opinion. Next 100 years who knows where we will be at but i dont believe living longer will be the norm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, absolutely. Family member died of MND and it was the most horrendous thing to witness the deterioration of someone who was so active and know that their mind was perfectly ok. If I was in that position I would want to have that option before it was to late.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Yes, absolutely. Family member died of MND and it was the most horrendous thing to witness the deterioration of someone who was so active and know that their mind was perfectly ok. If I was in that position I would want to have that option before it was to late."

Did they ever consider the use of an organisation like Dignitas. ?

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By *izzmasterzeroMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Yes, I'd rather die on my own terms peacefully in my own bed after a day surrounded by loved ones rather than a slow painful death getting weaker and weaker deteriorating getting sicker and sicker in the hospital praying for the end.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, absolutely. Family member died of MND and it was the most horrendous thing to witness the deterioration of someone who was so active and know that their mind was perfectly ok. If I was in that position I would want to have that option before it was to late.

Did they ever consider the use of an organisation like Dignitas. ?"

No, it was never mentioned. This was also about 15 years ago so it was a subject never really discussed in the public domain.

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over a year ago


"By Ann1330 Woman

just this minute! 

Glasgow

Yes, and I deal with palliative care on a daily basis and it's heart breaking. Families look at me thinking i can fix their family member and I can't. There has to be some other option however the legalities are enormous and I'm afraid many people pass the point where they are no longer deemed to have the capacity to make a desicion like that. People with long term health problems need to look at person centred care options more closely and make that plan should it be even 20 years away. Patients can decide on DNR'S but not how they choose to die. It's a subject I feel strongly about and was part of my thesis. However I have to remain impartial due to my job ..but I am very passionate about this issue x

Im actually quite shocked if im honest , i agree with all these comments above and i am also a definite yes by the way. Im shocked that in one small snapshot of society there can be 100% support for something and yet it is still not getting through to the powers that be. What i will add though is that i guarantee in the next 20 years or so with rising health care costs going up every year the governments WILL set about making it legal. Not from any moral or caring standpoint but as a way of saving money. MSD already knows my wishes on this issue if medically i ever got to the point ann speaks of. "

Yes however your wife has very little say about your final days/months. Even legally as your spouse it still remains a huge ethical issue in this and many other countries. People place power of attorney to family members and seem to think this applies to their end of life care ..it doesn't !!

Living wills are a big thing now and it's something many people need to really put into practise. It doesn't allow you choose how you die or when but it allows your wishes to be recorded and adhered to, many a patients family wil have a fight on their hands if they ask for something slightly out if the norm to be put in place. I'm afraid living wills are the best way to ensure that u leave this world on your own terms as much as is legally possible x

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"Really not much of a debate here is there?

Finally, a topic we all agree on!

Until hedevil comes back on

V x

V my intention is never to cause arguments but simply introduce topics for discussion, sometimes topics that are tabboo, yes they may turn ugly at times while people totally defend a view but as long as its done without insult then its all good . I genuinely thought id get slaughtered for this thread as it is a sad issue for many people who have been through suicide situations so appologies to any of those people who feel that way and have not responded with a post. Xx"
see i dont think its a sad situation at all.

Suicide is a very diffrent issue.

i think most folk agree that when someones quality of life is so bad that its a good thing to allow them to pass with dignity

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By *ittleMizzNaughty88.Woman
over a year ago

Renfrewshire

I believe it should be aloud.

Watching an uncle of mine being told he had a few day's left of his life.

Three weeks now down the line he's in pain at home as he wanted to be there in his final days.

Hearing a man cry & beg to help him is totally heartbreaking.

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll

Yes providing safeguards are in place to prevent abuse. Worth watching the Louis Theroux program on this in the US - showed an extremely dignified death but also one a bit more disturbing.

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By *evilsAdvocate94Woman
over a year ago

edinburgh

Having looked after people with chronic illness’ I really admire those that chose to stop treatment as they know it’ll be the end, but they are doing it on their terms and that’s something to be admired I think.

As long as there was appropriate safeguards in place I think people should have this option if they wish

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

Not a chance it will happen and not a changes should it happen.

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By *eelouWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

After watching my mother die a painful death I fully support there being a system to help aid a peaceful passing for anyone who wanted it. I know my mum wouldn't have taken it as she was very much against it, she saw it a suicide and being catholic that was a no go. Full stop no negotiations. I totally understand that but I don't share her faith that way.

I believe that if a person wishes to end thier suffering that with the right help they should be able to. I would never wish anyone to suffer the way my mother did. If places like ones in Europe can work then I don't see why we couldn't do it here.

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

For people who are crippled with illness and pain yes. I certainly dont want to lose my dignity, be in pain or depend on others. But how would we feel if our healthly child/friend decided they wanted to end their lives. Would we just accept it as their choice or would we then try to stop them?

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