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"Ladies, google this, then show it to everyone you know that is in and around Glasgow. I know what i'll be doing if i catch this asshat filming anyone.. "There's a demo, gathering in George Square on Saturday. | |||
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"Well like most things that catch my attention on here I like to investigate a little before forming an opinion. So I played some of the DWLF videos on his YouTube channel. He’s got 4.3 k followers & normally around 20-25 likes on his videos, though infinitely more dislikes (somewhere between 50-100). So from what I can assess more people dislike his “game” techniques & methods than like them. As for his pickups the videos show him being blown out & rejected more than how successful his strategies are. So I wouldn’t worry too much girls. Most on here would be more than capable of handling his cheesy chat, & most likely laugh. Certainly it gave me a laugh as I thought I’ve likely slept with more better looking women despite my first preference being men! I found his patter quite dreary & laughed out loud a lot. Something I think most gals on here would do too. Guys, if you’re looking for tips on how NOT to treat a lady his videos are a must see. "Do a little search on Google to his real name or just search "hydro drug bust" and you'll see what kinda guy he really is John | |||
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"BBC news reports a 37 year old man arrested in connection with predatory videos...." (Awaits new video starring him and his new cell mate "Big Tam"). | |||
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"I find it strange that this behaviour isnt a known factor its been around since time immemorium. is it that dis-similar to the behaviour of some here? It is actually a big industry this "motivational speakers" I dont condone it and when you actually think about it these people also take the piss out the guys they charge for their golden patter. live by the maxim full of shit till they prove otherwise " Like that creep Roosh V. | |||
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"BBC news reports a 37 year old man arrested in connection with predatory videos.... (Awaits new video starring him and his new cell mate "Big Tam")." I wonder if he'll share audio of him screaming into his pillow, or biting down on his flannel in the shower as he gets his arse pumped. | |||
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"BBC news reports a 37 year old man arrested in connection with predatory videos.... (Awaits new video starring him and his new cell mate "Big Tam"). I wonder if he'll share audio of him screaming into his pillow, or biting down on his flannel in the shower as he gets his arse pumped." I would buy that dvd | |||
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"I find it strange that this behaviour isnt a known factor its been around since time immemorium. is it that dis-similar to the behaviour of some here? It is actually a big industry this "motivational speakers" I dont condone it and when you actually think about it these people also take the piss out the guys they charge for their golden patter. live by the maxim full of shit till they prove otherwise Like that creep Roosh V. " Thats absolutely what he's like. Bring back the hairy grunting alpha shit | |||
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"BBC news reports a 37 year old man arrested in connection with predatory videos.... (Awaits new video starring him and his new cell mate "Big Tam")." Aye. Big Tam's new 'special friend' Would be kind of fitting if he was passed about the jail like an old scud book!!! | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners" 
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
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"Lowlife gets exposed big time. Really disappointing that in this day and age people behave like that. Although tbf I genuinely think most wouldn't fall for the bullshit" From what I understand he targeted younger women, early 20's from the look of things. He's 37. So their bullshit detectors were perhaps not as finely tuned as some on here. | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him. "No not really, he's a sex pest that advocates never taking no for an answer. The "women" he's talking about are young, often naive and as he approaches them alone, quite vulnerable. This guy is out to promote the "pro-male" agenda which encourages men to put women back in their place either as bedroom sluts or fulfilling the traditional female role, most of them think women should be seen and not heard. there is a big difference between playing the "game" and what this guy is actually promoting. | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him. "So the woman deserved it ? What total bollox  | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him.
No not really, he's a sex pest that advocates never taking no for an answer. The "women" he's talking about are young, often naive and as he approaches them alone, quite vulnerable. This guy is out to promote the "pro-male" agenda which encourages men to put women back in their place either as bedroom sluts or fulfilling the traditional female role, most of them think women should be seen and not heard. there is a big difference between playing the "game" and what this guy is actually promoting. "He's a sex pest yes. He himself did not assault anyone and as far as I know no woman has come forward to say he made them do anything they didn't want to. So he approaches young women who are on their own in broad daylight. Are these woman unable to say no to him??? And what makes young women in this day and age in Glasgow city centre in broad daylight on their own so vulnerable? Because I'd have thought the normal human reaction to persistent advances from someone youre not attracted to is "fuck off": He's an overt creep, it's in a public place, his chat is pathetic and if a woman falls for that with a guy she is not physically attracted to, or attracted to personality wise then I'm sorry she has to take a serious look at herself and her own actions. Have we any evidence these women are unable to make decisions from themselves? Have they some form of disability? Is that a theme? Does someone else have their power of attorney? What if they were to go into a shop that day instead and buy something? Would they have been rail roaded into buying it by the shop assistant? Or would they have had to phone their responsible adult to ask was it ok to purchase something? I'm not condoning what this guy does at all, or before the usual posters start on here, I think he's a pathetic human being and I hope he gets everything coming to him if he's broken the law but also in society. This guy should be ostracised from his community by anyone that knows him including employers and any future employers. He's clearly a very insecure and bitter little piece of shit who's spend his life being insignificant in the eyes of women. But there is no getting away from the fact that these women have to accept responsibility for their own actions. They weren't assaulted? Jesus Christ they teach primary school kids never to speak to strangers, so why would an adult speak to another adult that they didn't want to? | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him.
So the woman deserved it ? What total bollox "What to total wankerish thing to say!! Where did I say that??? Read my last post and stop being a total fucking arse! | |||
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"What is it he's actually doing? I had a quick look this morning and thought it was just a guy thinking he's the man chatting women up but guessing there's more to it than that. Mr" He films them when they’re sleeping after he’s done the deed and posts it etc it’s quite disturbing god knows what else he does but doesn’t show publicly he could for all we know be sharing other footage and some of the girls are steaming drink | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him.
No not really, he's a sex pest that advocates never taking no for an answer. The "women" he's talking about are young, often naive and as he approaches them alone, quite vulnerable. This guy is out to promote the "pro-male" agenda which encourages men to put women back in their place either as bedroom sluts or fulfilling the traditional female role, most of them think women should be seen and not heard. there is a big difference between playing the "game" and what this guy is actually promoting.
He's a sex pest yes. He himself did not assault anyone and as far as I know no woman has come forward to say he made them do anything they didn't want to.
So he approaches young women who are on their own in broad daylight. Are these woman unable to say no to him??? And what makes young women in this day and age in Glasgow city centre in broad daylight on their own so vulnerable? Because I'd have thought the normal human reaction to persistent advances from someone youre not attracted to is "fuck off":
He's an overt creep, it's in a public place, his chat is pathetic and if a woman falls for that with a guy she is not physically attracted to, or attracted to personality wise then I'm sorry she has to take a serious look at herself and her own actions. Have we any evidence these women are unable to make decisions from themselves? Have they some form of disability? Is that a theme? Does someone else have their power of attorney? What if they were to go into a shop that day instead and buy something? Would they have been rail roaded into buying it by the shop assistant? Or would they have had to phone their responsible adult to ask was it ok to purchase something?
I'm not condoning what this guy does at all, or before the usual posters start on here, I think he's a pathetic human being and I hope he gets everything coming to him if he's broken the law but also in society. This guy should be ostracised from his community by anyone that knows him including employers and any future employers. He's clearly a very insecure and bitter little piece of shit who's spend his life being insignificant in the eyes of women.
But there is no getting away from the fact that these women have to accept responsibility for their own actions. They weren't assaulted? Jesus Christ they teach primary school kids never to speak to strangers, so why would an adult speak to another adult that they didn't want to?"I agree with you about responsibility. It's a hard lesson learned though when you are a relatively inexperienced 20 yr old and your path crosses with a manipulative creepy fuck of a 37yr yr old like this guy....especially when a video of you lying in bed asleep after the deed ends up on YouTube. | |||
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"What is it he's actually doing? I had a quick look this morning and thought it was just a guy thinking he's the man chatting women up but guessing there's more to it than that. Mr He films them when they’re sleeping after he’s done the deed and posts it etc it’s quite disturbing god knows what else he does but doesn’t show publicly he could for all we know be sharing other footage and some of the girls are steaming drink " . | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him.
No not really, he's a sex pest that advocates never taking no for an answer. The "women" he's talking about are young, often naive and as he approaches them alone, quite vulnerable. This guy is out to promote the "pro-male" agenda which encourages men to put women back in their place either as bedroom sluts or fulfilling the traditional female role, most of them think women should be seen and not heard. there is a big difference between playing the "game" and what this guy is actually promoting.
He's a sex pest yes. He himself did not assault anyone and as far as I know no woman has come forward to say he made them do anything they didn't want to.
So he approaches young women who are on their own in broad daylight. Are these woman unable to say no to him??? And what makes young women in this day and age in Glasgow city centre in broad daylight on their own so vulnerable? Because I'd have thought the normal human reaction to persistent advances from someone youre not attracted to is "fuck off":
He's an overt creep, it's in a public place, his chat is pathetic and if a woman falls for that with a guy she is not physically attracted to, or attracted to personality wise then I'm sorry she has to take a serious look at herself and her own actions. Have we any evidence these women are unable to make decisions from themselves? Have they some form of disability? Is that a theme? Does someone else have their power of attorney? What if they were to go into a shop that day instead and buy something? Would they have been rail roaded into buying it by the shop assistant? Or would they have had to phone their responsible adult to ask was it ok to purchase something?
I'm not condoning what this guy does at all, or before the usual posters start on here, I think he's a pathetic human being and I hope he gets everything coming to him if he's broken the law but also in society. This guy should be ostracised from his community by anyone that knows him including employers and any future employers. He's clearly a very insecure and bitter little piece of shit who's spend his life being insignificant in the eyes of women.
But there is no getting away from the fact that these women have to accept responsibility for their own actions. They weren't assaulted? Jesus Christ they teach primary school kids never to speak to strangers, so why would an adult speak to another adult that they didn't want to?
I agree with you about responsibility. It's a hard lesson learned though when you are a relatively inexperienced 20 yr old and your path crosses with a manipulative creepy fuck of a 37yr yr old like this guy....especially when a video of you lying in bed asleep after the deed ends up on YouTube."apparently he gets permission to take pics videos beforehand. I expect to get flak for this but the very same behaviour is apparent in females but is very rarely ever questioned. you see things all the time and almost always the female is placed in the victim role our societys need to catch up with equality across all genders though. | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him.
No not really, he's a sex pest that advocates never taking no for an answer. The "women" he's talking about are young, often naive and as he approaches them alone, quite vulnerable. This guy is out to promote the "pro-male" agenda which encourages men to put women back in their place either as bedroom sluts or fulfilling the traditional female role, most of them think women should be seen and not heard. there is a big difference between playing the "game" and what this guy is actually promoting.
He's a sex pest yes. He himself did not assault anyone and as far as I know no woman has come forward to say he made them do anything they didn't want to.
So he approaches young women who are on their own in broad daylight. Are these woman unable to say no to him??? And what makes young women in this day and age in Glasgow city centre in broad daylight on their own so vulnerable? Because I'd have thought the normal human reaction to persistent advances from someone youre not attracted to is "fuck off":
He's an overt creep, it's in a public place, his chat is pathetic and if a woman falls for that with a guy she is not physically attracted to, or attracted to personality wise then I'm sorry she has to take a serious look at herself and her own actions. Have we any evidence these women are unable to make decisions from themselves? Have they some form of disability? Is that a theme? Does someone else have their power of attorney? What if they were to go into a shop that day instead and buy something? Would they have been rail roaded into buying it by the shop assistant? Or would they have had to phone their responsible adult to ask was it ok to purchase something?
I'm not condoning what this guy does at all, or before the usual posters start on here, I think he's a pathetic human being and I hope he gets everything coming to him if he's broken the law but also in society. This guy should be ostracised from his community by anyone that knows him including employers and any future employers. He's clearly a very insecure and bitter little piece of shit who's spend his life being insignificant in the eyes of women.
But there is no getting away from the fact that these women have to accept responsibility for their own actions. They weren't assaulted? Jesus Christ they teach primary school kids never to speak to strangers, so why would an adult speak to another adult that they didn't want to?
I agree with you about responsibility. It's a hard lesson learned though when you are a relatively inexperienced 20 yr old and your path crosses with a manipulative creepy fuck of a 37yr yr old like this guy....especially when a video of you lying in bed asleep after the deed ends up on YouTube."I agree, it happens here too! There are guys on here sharing pics and videos and personal details of women they meet and have slept with on here on kik groups. The women are in the dark to this. And some of these guys are regulars in a well known Glasgow club. This is fact. | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him.
No not really, he's a sex pest that advocates never taking no for an answer. The "women" he's talking about are young, often naive and as he approaches them alone, quite vulnerable. This guy is out to promote the "pro-male" agenda which encourages men to put women back in their place either as bedroom sluts or fulfilling the traditional female role, most of them think women should be seen and not heard. there is a big difference between playing the "game" and what this guy is actually promoting.
He's a sex pest yes. He himself did not assault anyone and as far as I know no woman has come forward to say he made them do anything they didn't want to.
So he approaches young women who are on their own in broad daylight. Are these woman unable to say no to him??? And what makes young women in this day and age in Glasgow city centre in broad daylight on their own so vulnerable? Because I'd have thought the normal human reaction to persistent advances from someone youre not attracted to is "fuck off":
He's an overt creep, it's in a public place, his chat is pathetic and if a woman falls for that with a guy she is not physically attracted to, or attracted to personality wise then I'm sorry she has to take a serious look at herself and her own actions. Have we any evidence these women are unable to make decisions from themselves? Have they some form of disability? Is that a theme? Does someone else have their power of attorney? What if they were to go into a shop that day instead and buy something? Would they have been rail roaded into buying it by the shop assistant? Or would they have had to phone their responsible adult to ask was it ok to purchase something?
I'm not condoning what this guy does at all, or before the usual posters start on here, I think he's a pathetic human being and I hope he gets everything coming to him if he's broken the law but also in society. This guy should be ostracised from his community by anyone that knows him including employers and any future employers. He's clearly a very insecure and bitter little piece of shit who's spend his life being insignificant in the eyes of women.
But there is no getting away from the fact that these women have to accept responsibility for their own actions. They weren't assaulted? Jesus Christ they teach primary school kids never to speak to strangers, so why would an adult speak to another adult that they didn't want to?
I agree with you about responsibility. It's a hard lesson learned though when you are a relatively inexperienced 20 yr old and your path crosses with a manipulative creepy fuck of a 37yr yr old like this guy....especially when a video of you lying in bed asleep after the deed ends up on YouTube.
I agree, it happens here too!
There are guys on here sharing pics and videos and personal details of women they meet and have slept with on here on kik groups. The women are in the dark to this. And some of these guys are regulars in a well known Glasgow club. This is fact. "Guessing I don't need to be Miss Marple to crack this one. | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him.
No not really, he's a sex pest that advocates never taking no for an answer. The "women" he's talking about are young, often naive and as he approaches them alone, quite vulnerable. This guy is out to promote the "pro-male" agenda which encourages men to put women back in their place either as bedroom sluts or fulfilling the traditional female role, most of them think women should be seen and not heard. there is a big difference between playing the "game" and what this guy is actually promoting.
He's a sex pest yes. He himself did not assault anyone and as far as I know no woman has come forward to say he made them do anything they didn't want to.
So he approaches young women who are on their own in broad daylight. Are these woman unable to say no to him??? And what makes young women in this day and age in Glasgow city centre in broad daylight on their own so vulnerable? Because I'd have thought the normal human reaction to persistent advances from someone youre not attracted to is "fuck off":
He's an overt creep, it's in a public place, his chat is pathetic and if a woman falls for that with a guy she is not physically attracted to, or attracted to personality wise then I'm sorry she has to take a serious look at herself and her own actions. Have we any evidence these women are unable to make decisions from themselves? Have they some form of disability? Is that a theme? Does someone else have their power of attorney? What if they were to go into a shop that day instead and buy something? Would they have been rail roaded into buying it by the shop assistant? Or would they have had to phone their responsible adult to ask was it ok to purchase something?
I'm not condoning what this guy does at all, or before the usual posters start on here, I think he's a pathetic human being and I hope he gets everything coming to him if he's broken the law but also in society. This guy should be ostracised from his community by anyone that knows him including employers and any future employers. He's clearly a very insecure and bitter little piece of shit who's spend his life being insignificant in the eyes of women.
But there is no getting away from the fact that these women have to accept responsibility for their own actions. They weren't assaulted? Jesus Christ they teach primary school kids never to speak to strangers, so why would an adult speak to another adult that they didn't want to?"Wow! Just wow! Nice bit of victim blaming there spud... Ok I'll give you a bit more info from twitter, he's now been reported by women for harassing them to the point where they had to get away from him by running into hotels, shops etc and asking staff to call police. More of his videos have been removed from you tube because the publicity means that women on them have now discovered that he filmed them without their consent and knowledge. Several have stated that they felt afraid when alone with him as he became "a bit scary" Ever been a woman mate? Lol Ever been alone with a guy who had seemed nice but got aggressive and demanding once out of public view? Ever been afraid you'd get battered or (fill in blank for filter) because the nice guy isn't so nice anymore? Ever had sex even though you didn't want to because he wasn't going to let it go and letting him fuck you might appease him and you can get out , go home, have a shower, cry and remind yourself that men are absolute cunts and you're staying home next time. Ever walked home with your keys through your fingers? Plenty of women do tell him to fuck off, but he keeps going and when he finds a woman who doesn't it a sure sign she's naive or vulnerable and therefore an easier target. He talked about pushing through "Last Minute Resistance" Which is when you say no but he keeps trying and pushing for sex anyway. Pretty sure that's too close to actual illegal acts to measure the distance. The guy is a predator. | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him.
No not really, he's a sex pest that advocates never taking no for an answer. The "women" he's talking about are young, often naive and as he approaches them alone, quite vulnerable. This guy is out to promote the "pro-male" agenda which encourages men to put women back in their place either as bedroom sluts or fulfilling the traditional female role, most of them think women should be seen and not heard. there is a big difference between playing the "game" and what this guy is actually promoting.
He's a sex pest yes. He himself did not assault anyone and as far as I know no woman has come forward to say he made them do anything they didn't want to.
So he approaches young women who are on their own in broad daylight. Are these woman unable to say no to him??? And what makes young women in this day and age in Glasgow city centre in broad daylight on their own so vulnerable? Because I'd have thought the normal human reaction to persistent advances from someone youre not attracted to is "fuck off":
He's an overt creep, it's in a public place, his chat is pathetic and if a woman falls for that with a guy she is not physically attracted to, or attracted to personality wise then I'm sorry she has to take a serious look at herself and her own actions. Have we any evidence these women are unable to make decisions from themselves? Have they some form of disability? Is that a theme? Does someone else have their power of attorney? What if they were to go into a shop that day instead and buy something? Would they have been rail roaded into buying it by the shop assistant? Or would they have had to phone their responsible adult to ask was it ok to purchase something?
I'm not condoning what this guy does at all, or before the usual posters start on here, I think he's a pathetic human being and I hope he gets everything coming to him if he's broken the law but also in society. This guy should be ostracised from his community by anyone that knows him including employers and any future employers. He's clearly a very insecure and bitter little piece of shit who's spend his life being insignificant in the eyes of women.
But there is no getting away from the fact that these women have to accept responsibility for their own actions. They weren't assaulted? Jesus Christ they teach primary school kids never to speak to strangers, so why would an adult speak to another adult that they didn't want to?
I agree with you about responsibility. It's a hard lesson learned though when you are a relatively inexperienced 20 yr old and your path crosses with a manipulative creepy fuck of a 37yr yr old like this guy....especially when a video of you lying in bed asleep after the deed ends up on YouTube.
I agree, it happens here too!
There are guys on here sharing pics and videos and personal details of women they meet and have slept with on here on kik groups. The women are in the dark to this. And some of these guys are regulars in a well known Glasgow club. This is fact. "This is just one of the reasons I'll never do clubs... Already had my funtime of catching a guy trying to sneak film me.  | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him.
No not really, he's a sex pest that advocates never taking no for an answer. The "women" he's talking about are young, often naive and as he approaches them alone, quite vulnerable. This guy is out to promote the "pro-male" agenda which encourages men to put women back in their place either as bedroom sluts or fulfilling the traditional female role, most of them think women should be seen and not heard. there is a big difference between playing the "game" and what this guy is actually promoting.
He's a sex pest yes. He himself did not assault anyone and as far as I know no woman has come forward to say he made them do anything they didn't want to.
So he approaches young women who are on their own in broad daylight. Are these woman unable to say no to him??? And what makes young women in this day and age in Glasgow city centre in broad daylight on their own so vulnerable? Because I'd have thought the normal human reaction to persistent advances from someone youre not attracted to is "fuck off":
He's an overt creep, it's in a public place, his chat is pathetic and if a woman falls for that with a guy she is not physically attracted to, or attracted to personality wise then I'm sorry she has to take a serious look at herself and her own actions. Have we any evidence these women are unable to make decisions from themselves? Have they some form of disability? Is that a theme? Does someone else have their power of attorney? What if they were to go into a shop that day instead and buy something? Would they have been rail roaded into buying it by the shop assistant? Or would they have had to phone their responsible adult to ask was it ok to purchase something?
I'm not condoning what this guy does at all, or before the usual posters start on here, I think he's a pathetic human being and I hope he gets everything coming to him if he's broken the law but also in society. This guy should be ostracised from his community by anyone that knows him including employers and any future employers. He's clearly a very insecure and bitter little piece of shit who's spend his life being insignificant in the eyes of women.
But there is no getting away from the fact that these women have to accept responsibility for their own actions. They weren't assaulted? Jesus Christ they teach primary school kids never to speak to strangers, so why would an adult speak to another adult that they didn't want to?
Wow!
Just wow!
Nice bit of victim blaming there spud...
Ok I'll give you a bit more info from twitter, he's now been reported by women for harassing them to the point where they had to get away from him by running into hotels, shops etc and asking staff to call police.
More of his videos have been removed from you tube because the publicity means that women on them have now discovered that he filmed them without their consent and knowledge.
Several have stated that they felt afraid when alone with him as he became "a bit scary"
Ever been a woman mate? Lol
Ever been alone with a guy who had seemed nice but got aggressive and demanding once out of public view?
Ever been afraid you'd get battered or (fill in blank for filter) because the nice guy isn't so nice anymore?
Ever had sex even though you didn't want to because he wasn't going to let it go and letting him fuck you might appease him and you can get out , go home, have a shower, cry and remind yourself that men are absolute cunts and you're staying home next time.
Ever walked home with your keys through your fingers?
Plenty of women do tell him to fuck off, but he keeps going and when he finds a woman who doesn't it a sure sign she's naive or vulnerable and therefore an easier target.
He talked about pushing through "Last Minute Resistance"
Which is when you say no but he keeps trying and pushing for sex anyway.
Pretty sure that's too close to actual illegal acts to measure the distance.
The guy is a predator."Wind your neck in!!! I didn't condone any of this guy's actions! So Columbo you're on twitter and you've solved the case? Perhaps you should send your CV to police Scotland as you claim this guy has been reported to police Scotland loads of times and they haven't acted on it???? Have you evidence of that? Or have police Scotland verified any of this? No you're just a busy body who's quoting social media with no actual hard evidence to back it up. But it still doesn't excuse women entertaining a complete stranger in this manner. This may well be the tip of the iceberg as is often the case with sexual predators when women (usually its woman) come forward later. The facts of the matter are you don't know exactly what has gone on but you're on here clearly with a bee in your bonnet. No one forced any of these women in broad daylight in the centre of Glasgow to even entertain this creep!! So a stranger comes up to you when you're in Glasgow city centre shopping and you're not attracted to him physically and you think his chat is shit but yuh can't say no???? These videos of him picking women up were shot in broad daylight in public. Of course I am not a woman, you are describing incidents of sexual assault and domestic abuse. You have no evidence of that Columbo and I'm sure that if that's the case it will come out in time. This is 2019, women know their rights, these women were not trapped in relationships with him. You are guilty of making assumptions and you make all these women seem like oppressed, self depreciating, timid little individuals who don't know their own mind!! I think I'm giving them more credit than you are, you're the one judging them. | |||
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"What sort of chick would fall for that ? Wee sex pest that prob still lives with his mum! His patter is like something out the inbetweeners
Exactly what I thought!!! Lol
He didn't make anyone do anything they didn't want to. Says as much about the women as it does him.
No not really, he's a sex pest that advocates never taking no for an answer. The "women" he's talking about are young, often naive and as he approaches them alone, quite vulnerable. This guy is out to promote the "pro-male" agenda which encourages men to put women back in their place either as bedroom sluts or fulfilling the traditional female role, most of them think women should be seen and not heard. there is a big difference between playing the "game" and what this guy is actually promoting.
He's a sex pest yes. He himself did not assault anyone and as far as I know no woman has come forward to say he made them do anything they didn't want to.
So he approaches young women who are on their own in broad daylight. Are these woman unable to say no to him??? And what makes young women in this day and age in Glasgow city centre in broad daylight on their own so vulnerable? Because I'd have thought the normal human reaction to persistent advances from someone youre not attracted to is "fuck off":
He's an overt creep, it's in a public place, his chat is pathetic and if a woman falls for that with a guy she is not physically attracted to, or attracted to personality wise then I'm sorry she has to take a serious look at herself and her own actions. Have we any evidence these women are unable to make decisions from themselves? Have they some form of disability? Is that a theme? Does someone else have their power of attorney? What if they were to go into a shop that day instead and buy something? Would they have been rail roaded into buying it by the shop assistant? Or would they have had to phone their responsible adult to ask was it ok to purchase something?
I'm not condoning what this guy does at all, or before the usual posters start on here, I think he's a pathetic human being and I hope he gets everything coming to him if he's broken the law but also in society. This guy should be ostracised from his community by anyone that knows him including employers and any future employers. He's clearly a very insecure and bitter little piece of shit who's spend his life being insignificant in the eyes of women.
But there is no getting away from the fact that these women have to accept responsibility for their own actions. They weren't assaulted? Jesus Christ they teach primary school kids never to speak to strangers, so why would an adult speak to another adult that they didn't want to?
Wow!
Just wow!
Nice bit of victim blaming there spud...
Ok I'll give you a bit more info from twitter, he's now been reported by women for harassing them to the point where they had to get away from him by running into hotels, shops etc and asking staff to call police.
More of his videos have been removed from you tube because the publicity means that women on them have now discovered that he filmed them without their consent and knowledge.
Several have stated that they felt afraid when alone with him as he became "a bit scary"
Ever been a woman mate? Lol
Ever been alone with a guy who had seemed nice but got aggressive and demanding once out of public view?
Ever been afraid you'd get battered or (fill in blank for filter) because the nice guy isn't so nice anymore?
Ever had sex even though you didn't want to because he wasn't going to let it go and letting him fuck you might appease him and you can get out , go home, have a shower, cry and remind yourself that men are absolute cunts and you're staying home next time.
Ever walked home with your keys through your fingers?
Plenty of women do tell him to fuck off, but he keeps going and when he finds a woman who doesn't it a sure sign she's naive or vulnerable and therefore an easier target.
He talked about pushing through "Last Minute Resistance"
Which is when you say no but he keeps trying and pushing for sex anyway.
Pretty sure that's too close to actual illegal acts to measure the distance.
The guy is a predator."He needs locked up and so does anyone you have to have sex with to appease. Some men,no correction these things aren't men. They are sub human. | |||
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"The videos of his contemporaries on YouTube are brutal too. I lost 20mins of my life last night watching some diddy called Everett Overton. Slimey fucker looks like he drew his hair and beard on with a Sharpie. " I wouldn't waste my time even watching them. I have literally just seen the BBC thing. As another poster said, these guys are subhuman, they are pondlife and they should be treated as such. I know of at least 2 women on here who have been subject to the non consensual pics, sharing personal details and videos thing on kik chat groups by guys on here. And these guys are well verified and clearly popular on this site. Are they any better than this creep who has been outted in the media?? I think not! | |||
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"Alot of folk get confused about filming or taking pics you dont need anyones permission to video or take stills in public so he is not breaking the law if filming in public. Though constantly following and trying to talk to them means he could be done for harrasment. its more a moral issue If there was no permission in pvt then that would be illegal unless it was in his place and it was an agreed upon term beforehand. again the guys a twat but prosecution means you need proof of breaking the law and filming in public while creepy and immoral is not illegal" Guess we’ll find out tomorrow from what is and isn’t legal from an actual judiciary point. | |||
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"Alot of folk get confused about filming or taking pics you dont need anyones permission to video or take stills in public so he is not breaking the law if filming in public. Though constantly following and trying to talk to them means he could be done for harrasment. its more a moral issue If there was no permission in pvt then that would be illegal unless it was in his place and it was an agreed upon term beforehand. again the guys a twat but prosecution means you need proof of breaking the law and filming in public while creepy and immoral is not illegal Guess we’ll find out tomorrow from what is and isn’t legal from an actual judiciary point. "its all there for you to check now. an easy way of knowing this when were you asked permission wjile walking in public cctv is everywhere | |||
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"Alot of folk get confused about filming or taking pics you dont need anyones permission to video or take stills in public so he is not breaking the law if filming in public. Though constantly following and trying to talk to them means he could be done for harrasment. its more a moral issue If there was no permission in pvt then that would be illegal unless it was in his place and it was an agreed upon term beforehand. again the guys a twat but prosecution means you need proof of breaking the law and filming in public while creepy and immoral is not illegal Guess we’ll find out tomorrow from what is and isn’t legal from an actual judiciary point. its all there for you to check now.
an easy way of knowing this when were you asked permission wjile walking in public cctv is everywhere "CCTV is accompanied by signage. The purpose of which images are being recorded and by whom. | |||
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"Alot of folk get confused about filming or taking pics you dont need anyones permission to video or take stills in public so he is not breaking the law if filming in public. Though constantly following and trying to talk to them means he could be done for harrasment. its more a moral issue If there was no permission in pvt then that would be illegal unless it was in his place and it was an agreed upon term beforehand. again the guys a twat but prosecution means you need proof of breaking the law and filming in public while creepy and immoral is not illegal Guess we’ll find out tomorrow from what is and isn’t legal from an actual judiciary point. its all there for you to check now.
an easy way of knowing this when were you asked permission wjile walking in public cctv is everywhere
CCTV is accompanied by signage.
The purpose of which images are being recorded and by whom. "in pvt grounds iw car parks shopping malls not the ones in public areas. check out some of the pinac uk videos where the police and others are caught out trying to prosecute folk who take vids and photos of govt or sensitive buildings. | |||
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"Alot of folk get confused about filming or taking pics you dont need anyones permission to video or take stills in public so he is not breaking the law if filming in public. Though constantly following and trying to talk to them means he could be done for harrasment. its more a moral issue If there was no permission in pvt then that would be illegal unless it was in his place and it was an agreed upon term beforehand. again the guys a twat but prosecution means you need proof of breaking the law and filming in public while creepy and immoral is not illegal Guess we’ll find out tomorrow from what is and isn’t legal from an actual judiciary point. its all there for you to check now.
an easy way of knowing this when were you asked permission wjile walking in public cctv is everywhere
CCTV is accompanied by signage.
The purpose of which images are being recorded and by whom. in pvt grounds iw car parks shopping malls not the ones in public areas.
check out some of the pinac uk videos where the police and others are caught out trying to prosecute folk who take vids and photos of govt or sensitive buildings."If you walk along any street you will find signage. Seriously have a look. It’s LAW | |||
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"Even in your own home, you have no expectation of privacy if the windows are open and someone on the street takes a photograph. A person is not protected by intellectual property rights. As long as you're in a place viewable by the , they can photos of you. From guv uk as I said alot of folk believe its law it simply isnt " We'll agree to disagree. | |||
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"Even in your own home, you have no expectation of privacy if the windows are open and someone on the street takes a photograph. A person is not protected by intellectual property rights. As long as you're in a place viewable by the , they can photos of you. From guv uk as I said alot of folk believe its law it simply isnt We'll agree to disagree. " as I said go research it its a common misconception even the police start out at times with the belief its illegal then they get corrected by their superiors check out pinac uk pinac stands for photography is not a crime. | |||
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"Even in your own home, you have no expectation of privacy if the windows are open and someone on the street takes a photograph. A person is not protected by intellectual property rights. As long as you're in a place viewable by the , they can photos of you. From guv uk as I said alot of folk believe its law it simply isnt We'll agree to disagree. as I said go research it its a common misconception even the police start out at times with the belief its illegal then they get corrected by their superiors check out pinac uk pinac stands for photography is not a crime. " Kola is 99% correct here, i watch these online vids as im bored at work a lot. Noone has a right to privacy in a public place . Photos or videos. I dont say 100% as you could be standing on a pavement and video directly into a window of a house right next to a pavement, that is invation of privacy. These people actually set out to bait companies and police to come out and confront them with the sole intention of 'educating' police and security staff about photography. The arse chasing the women will possibly be charged with harrasment of women but guaranteed nothing about videoing them in the street. They can however use his own videos as evidence against him to strengthen an harrasment charge. As for videos taken in the home or her home , its his word against hers if he had permission to post online. The fact he will have them on vid from when he met and picked them up will only help his side of things. | |||
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"Alot of folk get confused about filming or taking pics you dont need anyones permission to video or take stills in public so he is not breaking the law if filming in public. Though constantly following and trying to talk to them means he could be done for harrasment. its more a moral issue If there was no permission in pvt then that would be illegal unless it was in his place and it was an agreed upon term beforehand. again the guys a twat but prosecution means you need proof of breaking the law and filming in public while creepy and immoral is not illegal Guess we’ll find out tomorrow from what is and isn’t legal from an actual judiciary point. its all there for you to check now.
an easy way of knowing this when were you asked permission wjile walking in public cctv is everywhere
CCTV is accompanied by signage.
The purpose of which images are being recorded and by whom. in pvt grounds iw car parks shopping malls not the ones in public areas.
check out some of the pinac uk videos where the police and others are caught out trying to prosecute folk who take vids and photos of govt or sensitive buildings.
If you walk along any street you will find signage. Seriously have a look. It’s LAW "When did you last read a sign while travelling at 70 mph on a motorway or are all those cameras fake. ? What about the speed cameras that take my picture at 105 pmh no signs again . 4 cameras on my house filming back and front doors leading onto public areas and my cars in a car park, no law says i need signs bud. It aint law. | |||
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"Alot of folk get confused about filming or taking pics you dont need anyones permission to video or take stills in public so he is not breaking the law if filming in public. Though constantly following and trying to talk to them means he could be done for harrasment. its more a moral issue If there was no permission in pvt then that would be illegal unless it was in his place and it was an agreed upon term beforehand. again the guys a twat but prosecution means you need proof of breaking the law and filming in public while creepy and immoral is not illegal Guess we’ll find out tomorrow from what is and isn’t legal from an actual judiciary point. its all there for you to check now.
an easy way of knowing this when were you asked permission wjile walking in public cctv is everywhere
CCTV is accompanied by signage.
The purpose of which images are being recorded and by whom. in pvt grounds iw car parks shopping malls not the ones in public areas.
check out some of the pinac uk videos where the police and others are caught out trying to prosecute folk who take vids and photos of govt or sensitive buildings.
If you walk along any street you will find signage. Seriously have a look. It’s LAW
When did you last read a sign while travelling at 70 mph on a motorway or are all those cameras fake. ? What about the speed cameras that take my picture at 105 pmh no signs again . 4 cameras on my house filming back and front doors leading onto public areas and my cars in a car park, no law says i need signs bud. It aint law."Your being facetious. GDPR maybe familiarise with it instead of looking at you tube. I have cctv as well it comes under domestic property. Entirely different. | |||
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"Your doing what alot of folk do and confusing public with private. gdpr is not about public rights and more to do with protections against companys or pvt bodies misuse of data." As I said we shall find out tomorrow by way of actual judiciary whether or not any actual criminal offence has been committed and to what extent. As usual fabs full of faux lawyers. Doctors. Estate agents et al. | |||
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"As I said dont be a sheep find out today. if a police officer or any authoritarian tells you its illegal to eat a mcd at 18:32 that dosnt make it law know your rights instead of believing anything and everything your told "Think I’ll stick to the actual law being dictated to by those in the position to do so not by yellow vesters | |||
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Think I’ll stick to the actual law being dictated to by those in the position to do so not by yellow vesters "to my mind thats an absolute nightmare you want everyone to be led by the nose and be controlled. its supposed to be us the people that decide the laws we live under. | |||
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"Alot of folk get confused about filming or taking pics you dont need anyones permission to video or take stills in public so he is not breaking the law if filming in public. Though constantly following and trying to talk to them means he could be done for harrasment. its more a moral issue If there was no permission in pvt then that would be illegal unless it was in his place and it was an agreed upon term beforehand. again the guys a twat but prosecution means you need proof of breaking the law and filming in public while creepy and immoral is not illegal Guess we’ll find out tomorrow from what is and isn’t legal from an actual judiciary point. its all there for you to check now.
an easy way of knowing this when were you asked permission wjile walking in public cctv is everywhere
CCTV is accompanied by signage.
The purpose of which images are being recorded and by whom. in pvt grounds iw car parks shopping malls not the ones in public areas.
check out some of the pinac uk videos where the police and others are caught out trying to prosecute folk who take vids and photos of govt or sensitive buildings.
If you walk along any street you will find signage. Seriously have a look. It’s LAW
When did you last read a sign while travelling at 70 mph on a motorway or are all those cameras fake. ? What about the speed cameras that take my picture at 105 pmh no signs again . 4 cameras on my house filming back and front doors leading onto public areas and my cars in a car park, no law says i need signs bud. It aint law.
Your being facetious. GDPR maybe familiarise with it instead of looking at you tube.
I have cctv as well it comes under domestic property. Entirely different. "Bud , i cant even agree to disagree on this one. You need to do a litrle research and get the facts. This is the exact reason PINAC exists. Watch a few vids then double check on legal websites. I can film mod bases if i want as long as its from public paths . The minute i cross a gate or fence or doorway then it becomes their rules on what i can or cant video or photograph. All we ask is read up on it. Its similar to it being legal for me to record a conversation in secret if i want. I can do that too but THAT come under gdpr as i now have a duty of care to keep that recording safe and not let others hear it. I can however transcribe it and show it to others. Lots of wee laws out thier people dont know about. | |||
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"Alot of folk get confused about filming or taking pics you dont need anyones permission to video or take stills in public so he is not breaking the law if filming in public. Though constantly following and trying to talk to them means he could be done for harrasment. its more a moral issue If there was no permission in pvt then that would be illegal unless it was in his place and it was an agreed upon term beforehand. again the guys a twat but prosecution means you need proof of breaking the law and filming in public while creepy and immoral is not illegal Guess we’ll find out tomorrow from what is and isn’t legal from an actual judiciary point. its all there for you to check now.
an easy way of knowing this when were you asked permission wjile walking in public cctv is everywhere
CCTV is accompanied by signage.
The purpose of which images are being recorded and by whom. in pvt grounds iw car parks shopping malls not the ones in public areas.
check out some of the pinac uk videos where the police and others are caught out trying to prosecute folk who take vids and photos of govt or sensitive buildings.
If you walk along any street you will find signage. Seriously have a look. It’s LAW
When did you last read a sign while travelling at 70 mph on a motorway or are all those cameras fake. ? What about the speed cameras that take my picture at 105 pmh no signs again . 4 cameras on my house filming back and front doors leading onto public areas and my cars in a car park, no law says i need signs bud. It aint law.
Your being facetious. GDPR maybe familiarise with it instead of looking at you tube.
I have cctv as well it comes under domestic property. Entirely different.
Bud , i cant even agree to disagree on this one. You need to do a litrle research and get the facts. This is the exact reason PINAC exists. Watch a few vids then double check on legal websites. I can film mod bases if i want as long as its from public paths . The minute i cross a gate or fence or doorway then it becomes their rules on what i can or cant video or photograph. All we ask is read up on it. Its similar to it being legal for me to record a conversation in secret if i want. I can do that too but THAT come under gdpr as i now have a duty of care to keep that recording safe and not let others hear it. I can however transcribe it and show it to others. Lots of wee laws out thier people dont know about. "Good luck getting someone to agree to a phone chat | |||
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"As I said dont be a sheep find out today. if a police officer or any authoritarian tells you its illegal to eat a mcd at 18:32 that dosnt make it law know your rights instead of believing anything and everything your told
Think I’ll stick to the actual law being dictated to by those in the position to do so not by yellow vesters to my mind thats an absolute nightmare you want everyone to be led by the nose and be controlled.
its supposed to be us the people that decide the laws we live under."I do that at the ballot box through my elected representative. | |||
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"As I said dont be a sheep find out today. if a police officer or any authoritarian tells you its illegal to eat a mcd at 18:32 that dosnt make it law know your rights instead of believing anything and everything your told
Think I’ll stick to the actual law being dictated to by those in the position to do so not by yellow vesters to my mind thats an absolute nightmare you want everyone to be led by the nose and be controlled.
its supposed to be us the people that decide the laws we live under.
I do that at the ballot box through my elected representative."thats a whole other peoblem how many promises are ever followed through pmsl brexits a prime example the govt doing everything to get another referendum because they hate what they have been told to do | |||
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"Alot of folk get confused about filming or taking pics you dont need anyones permission to video or take stills in public so he is not breaking the law if filming in public. Though constantly following and trying to talk to them means he could be done for harrasment. its more a moral issue If there was no permission in pvt then that would be illegal unless it was in his place and it was an agreed upon term beforehand. again the guys a twat but prosecution means you need proof of breaking the law and filming in public while creepy and immoral is not illegal Guess we’ll find out tomorrow from what is and isn’t legal from an actual judiciary point. its all there for you to check now.
an easy way of knowing this when were you asked permission wjile walking in public cctv is everywhere
CCTV is accompanied by signage.
The purpose of which images are being recorded and by whom. in pvt grounds iw car parks shopping malls not the ones in public areas.
check out some of the pinac uk videos where the police and others are caught out trying to prosecute folk who take vids and photos of govt or sensitive buildings.
If you walk along any street you will find signage. Seriously have a look. It’s LAW
When did you last read a sign while travelling at 70 mph on a motorway or are all those cameras fake. ? What about the speed cameras that take my picture at 105 pmh no signs again . 4 cameras on my house filming back and front doors leading onto public areas and my cars in a car park, no law says i need signs bud. It aint law.
Your being facetious. GDPR maybe familiarise with it instead of looking at you tube.
I have cctv as well it comes under domestic property. Entirely different.
Bud , i cant even agree to disagree on this one. You need to do a litrle research and get the facts. This is the exact reason PINAC exists. Watch a few vids then double check on legal websites. I can film mod bases if i want as long as its from public paths . The minute i cross a gate or fence or doorway then it becomes their rules on what i can or cant video or photograph. All we ask is read up on it. Its similar to it being legal for me to record a conversation in secret if i want. I can do that too but THAT come under gdpr as i now have a duty of care to keep that recording safe and not let others hear it. I can however transcribe it and show it to others. Lots of wee laws out thier people dont know about.
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Think I’ll stick to the actual law being dictated to by those in the position to do so not by yellow vesters to my mind thats an absolute nightmare you want everyone to be led by the nose and be controlled.
its supposed to be us the people that decide the laws we live under.
I do that at the ballot box through my elected representative.thats a whole other peoblem how many promises are ever followed through pmsl brexits a prime example the govt doing everything to get another referendum because they hate what they have been told to do"I attend marches. Lobby my MP. Joined a political party have 30 yrs trade union experience representing fellow workers rights. Daily struggle to keep and protect what little rights we have left through govt constantly chipping away to lead a conformist society by divide and conquer. I do all these legally without mob rule and the need to cause more division by way of anarchistic behaviour. | |||
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"As I said dont be a sheep find out today. if a police officer or any authoritarian tells you its illegal to eat a mcd at 18:32 that dosnt make it law know your rights instead of believing anything and everything your told
Think I’ll stick to the actual law being dictated to by those in the position to do so not by yellow vesters to my mind thats an absolute nightmare you want everyone to be led by the nose and be controlled.
its supposed to be us the people that decide the laws we live under.
I do that at the ballot box through my elected representative.thats a whole other peoblem how many promises are ever followed through pmsl brexits a prime example the govt doing everything to get another referendum because they hate what they have been told to do
I attend marches. Lobby my MP. Joined a political party have 30 yrs trade union experience representing fellow workers rights. Daily struggle to keep and protect what little rights we have left through govt constantly chipping away to lead a conformist society by divide and conquer.
I do all these legally without mob rule and the need to cause more division by way of anarchistic behaviour. "Ohhh mate, you REALLY need to brush up on cctv and recording conversations laws then , seriously. I learned these things through a farce suspension at work , my union was fuckin useless in the pocket of management . Thankfully my research allowed me to obtain cctv and i recorded conversations with ALL parties including my feckin useless union who by the end of proceedings were fooked if i transcribed conversations. I won my case hands down . You SHOULD know these rules and if not , your not doing your job bud. | |||
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"anarchistic behaviour.......so the rule of law being followed instead of a belief in an inaccuracy. ive said a few times research it this second go to guv uk its written in black and white what is allowed in regards to PUBLIC photography. what the guy was doing in regards to photography was immoral but not illegal " Then the guys nothing to worry about come tomorrow other than being a social knob. Will be an interesting outcome one way or another. | |||
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"As I said dont be a sheep find out today. if a police officer or any authoritarian tells you its illegal to eat a mcd at 18:32 that dosnt make it law know your rights instead of believing anything and everything your told
Think I’ll stick to the actual law being dictated to by those in the position to do so not by yellow vesters to my mind thats an absolute nightmare you want everyone to be led by the nose and be controlled.
its supposed to be us the people that decide the laws we live under.
I do that at the ballot box through my elected representative.thats a whole other peoblem how many promises are ever followed through pmsl brexits a prime example the govt doing everything to get another referendum because they hate what they have been told to do
I attend marches. Lobby my MP. Joined a political party have 30 yrs trade union experience representing fellow workers rights. Daily struggle to keep and protect what little rights we have left through govt constantly chipping away to lead a conformist society by divide and conquer.
I do all these legally without mob rule and the need to cause more division by way of anarchistic behaviour.
Ohhh mate, you REALLY need to brush up on cctv and recording conversations laws then , seriously. I learned these things through a farce suspension at work , my union was fuckin useless in the pocket of management . Thankfully my research allowed me to obtain cctv and i recorded conversations with ALL parties including my feckin useless union who by the end of proceedings were fooked if i transcribed conversations. I won my case hands down . You SHOULD know these rules and if not , your not doing your job bud. "I know enough to have kept over 30 people in employment over the years. Thanks for your vote of confidence | |||
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"anarchistic behaviour.......so the rule of law being followed instead of a belief in an inaccuracy. ive said a few times research it this second go to guv uk its written in black and white what is allowed in regards to PUBLIC photography. what the guy was doing in regards to photography was immoral but not illegal Then the guys nothing to worry about come tomorrow other than being a social knob. Will be an interesting outcome one way or another. " and your missing the point theres things there he could be prosecuted for but filming in public is not one of them | |||
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"anarchistic behaviour.......so the rule of law being followed instead of a belief in an inaccuracy. ive said a few times research it this second go to guv uk its written in black and white what is allowed in regards to PUBLIC photography. what the guy was doing in regards to photography was immoral but not illegal Then the guys nothing to worry about come tomorrow other than being a social knob. Will be an interesting outcome one way or another. and your missing the point theres things there he could be prosecuted for but filming in public is not one of them "I’m missing no point. Show me where I said filming in public was a criminal offence ? | |||
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" As I said we shall find out tomorrow by way of actual judiciary whether or not any actual criminal offence has been committed and to what extent. " What charges are brought and he is prosecuted for may differ and also depends what complaint has been made, I could go out and do something criminal right now, police could charge me but if there is no evidence It would more than likely not go any further. The laws as per my previous post are mainly around the publication or any perceived invasion of privacy percieved or if in fact a vulnerable person has come to any harm, not the actual taking of the pictures/videos in a public place, as someone else said the pictures/videos on private property (ie in the home) it’s down to consent re publication and that’s a his word against the person photographed/recorded | |||
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"As I said dont be a sheep find out today. if a police officer or any authoritarian tells you its illegal to eat a mcd at 18:32 that dosnt make it law know your rights instead of believing anything and everything your told
Think I’ll stick to the actual law being dictated to by those in the position to do so not by yellow vesters to my mind thats an absolute nightmare you want everyone to be led by the nose and be controlled.
its supposed to be us the people that decide the laws we live under.
I do that at the ballot box through my elected representative.thats a whole other peoblem how many promises are ever followed through pmsl brexits a prime example the govt doing everything to get another referendum because they hate what they have been told to do
I attend marches. Lobby my MP. Joined a political party have 30 yrs trade union experience representing fellow workers rights. Daily struggle to keep and protect what little rights we have left through govt constantly chipping away to lead a conformist society by divide and conquer.
I do all these legally without mob rule and the need to cause more division by way of anarchistic behaviour. "Also as a trade union rep, you never threaten strike action, ?? Is that not mob rule ? | |||
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" As I said we shall find out tomorrow by way of actual judiciary whether or not any actual criminal offence has been committed and to what extent. What charges are brought and he is prosecuted for may differ and also depends what complaint has been made, I could go out and do something criminal right now, police could charge me but if there is no evidence It would more than likely not go any further. The laws as per my previous post are mainly around the publication or any perceived invasion of privacy percieved or if in fact a vulnerable person has come to any harm, not the actual taking of the pictures/videos in a public place, as someone else said the pictures/videos on private property (ie in the home) it’s down to consent re publication and that’s a his word against the person photographed/recorded " That’s why we guilty until proven innocent | |||
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"anarchistic behaviour.......so the rule of law being followed instead of a belief in an inaccuracy. ive said a few times research it this second go to guv uk its written in black and white what is allowed in regards to PUBLIC photography. what the guy was doing in regards to photography was immoral but not illegal Then the guys nothing to worry about come tomorrow other than being a social knob. Will be an interesting outcome one way or another. and your missing the point theres things there he could be prosecuted for but filming in public is not one of them
I’m missing no point. Show me where I said filming in public was a criminal offence ? "you claimed it reqs consent or signage which would mean a legal req which simply isnt the case sorry you cant back out it with I cant be held to my words lol | |||
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"As I said dont be a sheep find out today. if a police officer or any authoritarian tells you its illegal to eat a mcd at 18:32 that dosnt make it law know your rights instead of believing anything and everything your told
Think I’ll stick to the actual law being dictated to by those in the position to do so not by yellow vesters to my mind thats an absolute nightmare you want everyone to be led by the nose and be controlled.
its supposed to be us the people that decide the laws we live under.
I do that at the ballot box through my elected representative.thats a whole other peoblem how many promises are ever followed through pmsl brexits a prime example the govt doing everything to get another referendum because they hate what they have been told to do
I attend marches. Lobby my MP. Joined a political party have 30 yrs trade union experience representing fellow workers rights. Daily struggle to keep and protect what little rights we have left through govt constantly chipping away to lead a conformist society by divide and conquer.
I do all these legally without mob rule and the need to cause more division by way of anarchistic behaviour.
Also as a trade union rep, you never threaten strike action, ?? Is that not mob rule ? "Strike action was once on the table but done democratically through ballot box not by puting on a yellow vest and being a dick. | |||
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"anarchistic behaviour.......so the rule of law being followed instead of a belief in an inaccuracy. ive said a few times research it this second go to guv uk its written in black and white what is allowed in regards to PUBLIC photography. what the guy was doing in regards to photography was immoral but not illegal Then the guys nothing to worry about come tomorrow other than being a social knob. Will be an interesting outcome one way or another. and your missing the point theres things there he could be prosecuted for but filming in public is not one of them
I’m missing no point. Show me where I said filming in public was a criminal offence ? you claimed it reqs consent or signage which would mean a legal req which simply isnt the case sorry you cant back out it with I cant be held to my words lol "What I said was that street cctv required signage. Cctv on buses trains require signage. Cctv in shops and businesses require signage. | |||
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"anarchistic behaviour.......so the rule of law being followed instead of a belief in an inaccuracy. ive said a few times research it this second go to guv uk its written in black and white what is allowed in regards to PUBLIC photography. what the guy was doing in regards to photography was immoral but not illegal Then the guys nothing to worry about come tomorrow other than being a social knob. Will be an interesting outcome one way or another. and your missing the point theres things there he could be prosecuted for but filming in public is not one of them
I’m missing no point. Show me where I said filming in public was a criminal offence ? you claimed it reqs consent or signage which would mean a legal req which simply isnt the case sorry you cant back out it with I cant be held to my words lol
What I said was that street cctv required signage. Cctv on buses trains require signage. Cctv in shops and businesses require signage. "so your doing a uturn and now agree public and private are seprate good for you | |||
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" Also as a trade union rep, you never threaten strike action, ?? Is that not mob rule ? " Do you actually understand what strike action is? Things have changed a bit from the miners strike | |||
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"But what happens when the vote does not work? And you know it's been tampered with.sometimes people need to stand up for right and wrong instead of just accepting what a corrupt government tell you." yup that was my point in regards to folk being led by the nose I | |||
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"anarchistic behaviour.......so the rule of law being followed instead of a belief in an inaccuracy. ive said a few times research it this second go to guv uk its written in black and white what is allowed in regards to PUBLIC photography. what the guy was doing in regards to photography was immoral but not illegal Then the guys nothing to worry about come tomorrow other than being a social knob. Will be an interesting outcome one way or another. and your missing the point theres things there he could be prosecuted for but filming in public is not one of them
I’m missing no point. Show me where I said filming in public was a criminal offence ? you claimed it reqs consent or signage which would mean a legal req which simply isnt the case sorry you cant back out it with I cant be held to my words lol
What I said was that street cctv required signage. Cctv on buses trains require signage. Cctv in shops and businesses require signage. so your doing a uturn and now agree public and private are seprate good for you "Au contrair. Look Back and you’ll see the word domestic | |||
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"But what happens when the vote does not work? And you know it's been tampered with.sometimes people need to stand up for right and wrong instead of just accepting what a corrupt government tell you." Exactly why I continue to fight for a yes vote. circ 2014 and take away postal votes and lobby for votes to be counted at each station rather than being transported. | |||
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" That’s why we guilty until proven innocent "It is, but the point still stands what he’s brought to court for will be down to evidence not what the law is or what your perception of these laws are. | |||
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"As I said dont be a sheep find out today. if a police officer or any authoritarian tells you its illegal to eat a mcd at 18:32 that dosnt make it law know your rights instead of believing anything and everything your told
Think I’ll stick to the actual law being dictated to by those in the position to do so not by yellow vesters to my mind thats an absolute nightmare you want everyone to be led by the nose and be controlled.
its supposed to be us the people that decide the laws we live under.
I do that at the ballot box through my elected representative.thats a whole other peoblem how many promises are ever followed through pmsl brexits a prime example the govt doing everything to get another referendum because they hate what they have been told to do
I attend marches. Lobby my MP. Joined a political party have 30 yrs trade union experience representing fellow workers rights. Daily struggle to keep and protect what little rights we have left through govt constantly chipping away to lead a conformist society by divide and conquer.
I do all these legally without mob rule and the need to cause more division by way of anarchistic behaviour.
Also as a trade union rep, you never threaten strike action, ?? Is that not mob rule ?
Strike action was once on the table but done democratically through ballot box not by puting on a yellow vest and being a dick. "I hardly think the thousands of men and women in France that are wearing yellow vests and risk jail or a severe kicking by French police are doing just to be dicks? | |||
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"But what happens when the vote does not work? And you know it's been tampered with.sometimes people need to stand up for right and wrong instead of just accepting what a corrupt government tell you. Exactly why I continue to fight for a yes vote. circ 2014 and take away postal votes and lobby for votes to be counted at each station rather than being transported. "If there had been no postal vote I’d not have been able to vote at all as I had planned surgery of referendum day, that’s not exactly Democratic | |||
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"But what happens when the vote does not work? And you know it's been tampered with.sometimes people need to stand up for right and wrong instead of just accepting what a corrupt government tell you. Exactly why I continue to fight for a yes vote. circ 2014 and take away postal votes and lobby for votes to be counted at each station rather than being transported. "so you dont like the vote that has already happened so campaign to say the majority got it wrong lol are you serious? Lets say you get another and ut goes your way should everyone just accept that pmsl | |||
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"Weesht kola I'd take any yes vote "damn we were in agreement for a few seconds | |||
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"But what happens when the vote does not work? And you know it's been tampered with.sometimes people need to stand up for right and wrong instead of just accepting what a corrupt government tell you. Exactly why I continue to fight for a yes vote. circ 2014 and take away postal votes and lobby for votes to be counted at each station rather than being transported. so you dont like the vote that has already happened so campaign to say the majority got it wrong lol are you serious?
Lets say you get another and ut goes your way should everyone just accept that pmsl "You also think trumps the man eh
People have the right to change their mind it’s called democracy. You seriously suggesting there was no tampering ? | |||
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"Just a few? we are getting better "I will waste it I cant get bwtter im already king of my hill | |||
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"Weesht kola I'd take any yes vote damn we were in agreement for a few seconds "Fuck me a hat trick of agreement | |||
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"But what happens when the vote does not work? And you know it's been tampered with.sometimes people need to stand up for right and wrong instead of just accepting what a corrupt government tell you. Exactly why I continue to fight for a yes vote. circ 2014 and take away postal votes and lobby for votes to be counted at each station rather than being transported. so you dont like the vote that has already happened so campaign to say the majority got it wrong lol are you serious?
Lets say you get another and ut goes your way should everyone just accept that pmsl
You also think trumps the man eh
People have the right to change their mind it’s called democracy. You seriously suggesting there was no tampering ? "yup seriously suggesting its the preserve of the I dont like the result crew
while I dont really like trump I believe hes a neccesity for good change in the future.
Definatly the best of what was offered to the ammerican people | |||
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"But what happens when the vote does not work? And you know it's been tampered with.sometimes people need to stand up for right and wrong instead of just accepting what a corrupt government tell you. Exactly why I continue to fight for a yes vote. circ 2014 and take away postal votes and lobby for votes to be counted at each station rather than being transported. so you dont like the vote that has already happened so campaign to say the majority got it wrong lol are you serious?
Lets say you get another and ut goes your way should everyone just accept that pmsl
You also think trumps the man eh
People have the right to change their mind it’s called democracy. You seriously suggesting there was no tampering ? yup seriously suggesting its the preserve of the I dont like the result crew
while I dont really like trump I believe hes a neccesity for good change in the future.
Definatly the best of what was offered to the ammerican people "Trumps another thread BUT . His put America first is starting to pay off. Americans dont need to like him but if he keeps doing what hes doing i bet he gets a second term. Rest of the world should follow suit putting our own countries needs first. Indy was never good but brexit is and will be good. | |||
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"But what happens when the vote does not work? And you know it's been tampered with.sometimes people need to stand up for right and wrong instead of just accepting what a corrupt government tell you. Exactly why I continue to fight for a yes vote. circ 2014 and take away postal votes and lobby for votes to be counted at each station rather than being transported. so you dont like the vote that has already happened so campaign to say the majority got it wrong lol are you serious?
Lets say you get another and ut goes your way should everyone just accept that pmsl
You also think trumps the man eh
People have the right to change their mind it’s called democracy. You seriously suggesting there was no tampering ? yup seriously suggesting its the preserve of the I dont like the result crew
while I dont really like trump I believe hes a neccesity for good change in the future.
Definatly the best of what was offered to the ammerican people
Trumps another thread BUT . His put America first is starting to pay off. Americans dont need to like him but if he keeps doing what hes doing i bet he gets a second term. Rest of the world should follow suit putting our own countries needs first. Indy was never good but brexit is and will be good. "Aye he's really putting them first by shutting down the government. I'm sure the not so well paid workers in said government be thinking that right now with no pay. Why is brexit good? The government havent a, fooking clue what they are doing. Theresa Mayhem is the worst PM in history in my opinion and why she is still there is beyond believe. And i don't even know how this got off topic lol | |||
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"But what happens when the vote does not work? And you know it's been tampered with.sometimes people need to stand up for right and wrong instead of just accepting what a corrupt government tell you. Exactly why I continue to fight for a yes vote. circ 2014 and take away postal votes and lobby for votes to be counted at each station rather than being transported. so you dont like the vote that has already happened so campaign to say the majority got it wrong lol are you serious?
Lets say you get another and ut goes your way should everyone just accept that pmsl
You also think trumps the man eh
People have the right to change their mind it’s called democracy. You seriously suggesting there was no tampering ? yup seriously suggesting its the preserve of the I dont like the result crew
while I dont really like trump I believe hes a neccesity for good change in the future.
Definatly the best of what was offered to the ammerican people
Trumps another thread BUT . His put America first is starting to pay off. Americans dont need to like him but if he keeps doing what hes doing i bet he gets a second term. Rest of the world should follow suit putting our own countries needs first. Indy was never good but brexit is and will be good.
Aye he's really putting them first by shutting down the government. I'm sure the not so well paid workers in said government be thinking that right now with no pay.
Why is brexit good? The government havent a, fooking clue what they are doing. Theresa Mayhem is the worst PM in history in my opinion and why she is still there is beyond believe.
And i don't even know how this got off topic lol "by an attempt to make one persons view wrong by association on an entirely diffrent subject | |||
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If there had been no postal vote I’d not have been able to vote at all as I had planned surgery of referendum day, that’s not exactly Democratic "Neither is “misplacing” said postal votes. | |||
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"How have we got on to this! Relax I’m sure the mod will be along to tidy up "Not at all everyone has went about their disagreements in a respectful way. As it should be. Vack on topic , harrasment charges at best for that idiot tomorrow. Then in 6 months it will be dropped. By the way its innocent until proven guilty in this country not the other way around except in 1 circumstance that im aware of. | |||
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Not at all everyone has went about their disagreements in a respectful way. As it should be.
Vack on topic , harrasment charges at best for that idiot tomorrow. Then in 6 months it will be dropped. By the way its innocent until proven guilty in this country not the other way around except in 1 circumstance that im aware of. "exactly...Just shows if certain folk don't post we can all be adults and not have a name calling or throwing toys out their plans forum topic where people can agree and disagree...reshreshing really. | |||
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Not at all everyone has went about their disagreements in a respectful way. As it should be.
Vack on topic , harrasment charges at best for that idiot tomorrow. Then in 6 months it will be dropped. By the way its innocent until proven guilty in this country not the other way around except in 1 circumstance that im aware of. exactly...Just shows if certain folk don't post we can all be adults and not have a name calling or throwing toys out their plans forum topic where people can agree and disagree...reshreshing really. "Boot | |||
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