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Personally I'd love to but that's just me, lightning doesn't strike twice and well the technology is there now to guide and make the journey safe
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"I would, but somehow I don't think working your passage would be allowed in 2022 and O fear even a third-class bunk would cost more than I earn in a year!" Possibly cost a small fortune but I personally think it would be worth it, possibly a little bit of history invested along the way John | |||
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"I would, but somehow I don't think working your passage would be allowed in 2022 and O fear even a third-class bunk would cost more than I earn in a year! Possibly cost a small fortune but I personally think it would be worth it, possibly a little bit of history invested along the way John "I agree. If they can build a commemoration into it then I think that would be fitting. There’s a guy who lives close and he’s an expert on the titanic and goes all over the world. Must ask him what he thinks | |||
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"The titanic Built in a sectarian ship yard with an open policy that no Catholics were allowed to work there that that went on for 60 odd years after the ship sank. Any Catholic found working in H&W who hid their religion was tortured and beaten. They don't tell you that in the museum. Northern Ireland's shame and embarrassment. It was a ship that sank, there's nothing glorious to remember about it and it's just unfortunate and sad for anyone who lost relatives on it. People should just let it go. " So that’s a no? | |||
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"The titanic Built in a sectarian ship yard with an open policy that no Catholics were allowed to work there that that went on for 60 odd years after the ship sank. Any Catholic found working in H&W who hid their religion was tortured and beaten. They don't tell you that in the museum. Northern Ireland's shame and embarrassment. It was a ship that sank, there's nothing glorious to remember about it and it's just unfortunate and sad for anyone who lost relatives on it. People should just let it go. " People should let it go re - just a ship that sank yet clearly you cant let go the nature of its building. The hypocracracy in your post is beyond bigotry. | |||
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"The titanic Built in a sectarian ship yard with an open policy that no Catholics were allowed to work there that that went on for 60 odd years after the ship sank. Any Catholic found working in H&W who hid their religion was tortured and beaten. They don't tell you that in the museum. Northern Ireland's shame and embarrassment. It was a ship that sank, there's nothing glorious to remember about it and it's just unfortunate and sad for anyone who lost relatives on it. People should just let it go. People should let it go re - just a ship that sank yet clearly you cant let go the nature of its building. The hypocracracy in your post is beyond bigotry. " The Titanic should always be remembered for what it was. At the time it was the greatest and most luxurious ship of its time. It sailed into waters without the necessary precautions because of arrogance. That unfortunately led to it hitting an iceberg and sinking. But as it lays on the seabed, a grave for over 1500 souls, it shouldn’t be forgotten. Their lives should be remembered forever. And as I said, if they can put a fitting tribute on board the new ship then I think it would be a great way to ensure their memories live on. On a side note, I hope they plan to head to the last resting place on their first voyage to have ALL the passengers and crew throw flowers onto the water in rememberance | |||
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"The titanic Built in a sectarian ship yard with an open policy that no Catholics were allowed to work there that that went on for 60 odd years after the ship sank. Any Catholic found working in H&W who hid their religion was tortured and beaten. They don't tell you that in the museum. Northern Ireland's shame and embarrassment. It was a ship that sank, there's nothing glorious to remember about it and it's just unfortunate and sad for anyone who lost relatives on it. People should just let it go. People should let it go re - just a ship that sank yet clearly you cant let go the nature of its building. The hypocracracy in your post is beyond bigotry. The Titanic should always be remembered for what it was. At the time it was the greatest and most luxurious ship of its time. It sailed into waters without the necessary precautions because of arrogance. That unfortunately led to it hitting an iceberg and sinking. But as it lays on the seabed, a grave for over 1500 souls, it shouldn’t be forgotten. Their lives should be remembered forever. And as I said, if they can put a fitting tribute on board the new ship then I think it would be a great way to ensure their memories live on. On a side note, I hope they plan to head to the last resting place on their first voyage to have ALL the passengers and crew throw flowers onto the water in rememberance " Well daid Andy, that arrogance was all the way to the top. Designers, unsinkable, not enough lifeboats, ignoring ice berg warnings . Lessons were learned just like all tragedies. | |||
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.  "What agenda? Am I missing something? R  | |||
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" The Titanic should always be remembered for what it was. At the time it was the greatest and most luxurious ship of its time. It sailed into waters without the necessary precautions because of arrogance. That unfortunately led to it hitting an iceberg and sinking. But as it lays on the seabed, a grave for over 1500 souls, it shouldn’t be forgotten. Their lives should be remembered forever. And as I said, if they can put a fitting tribute on board the new ship then I think it would be a great way to ensure their memories live on. On a side note, I hope they plan to head to the last resting place on their first voyage to have ALL the passengers and crew throw flowers onto the water in rememberance Well daid Andy, that arrogance was all the way to the top. Designers, unsinkable, not enough lifeboats, ignoring ice berg warnings . Lessons were learned just like all tragedies. " It would never sail these days | |||
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"I do not like boats. Have none of you heard of jaws or worse the kraken "I don’t think the new titanic is a dinghy though | |||
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"I do not like boats. Have none of you heard of jaws or worse the kraken
I don’t think the new titanic is a dinghy though "Yeah thats what they told Jason and his Argonauts just before that big fecker rose out the sea. | |||
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"I do not like boats. Have none of you heard of jaws or worse the kraken
I don’t think the new titanic is a dinghy though "Oh the kraken would still get ye  | |||
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"I do not like boats. Have none of you heard of jaws or worse the kraken
I don’t think the new titanic is a dinghy though
Oh the kraken would still get ye "Off topic but I used to have a pair of cthulhu slippers, I'm sure K deliberately sabotage them as she hated them 
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.
What agenda? Am I missing something?
R "Read the post before mine. | |||
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"The titanic Built in a sectarian ship yard with an open policy that no Catholics were allowed to work there that that went on for 60 odd years after the ship sank. Any Catholic found working in H&W who hid their religion was tortured and beaten. They don't tell you that in the museum. Northern Ireland's shame and embarrassment. It was a ship that sank, there's nothing glorious to remember about it and it's just unfortunate and sad for anyone who lost relatives on it. People should just let it go. People should let it go re - just a ship that sank yet clearly you cant let go the nature of its building. The hypocracracy in your post is beyond bigotry. " Your ignorance is on display again tonight I see. You know nothing about a country where one side of the community didn't even have civil rights until the 70s. That's in a 1st world country in your lifetime less than 20 miles from your land sea border. Just consider that for a second. If you don't know what you're talking about refrain from commenting. | |||
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.
What agenda? Am I missing something?
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Read the post before mine."Yeah read the one above this one too. There's no agenda, I'm entitled to air my opinion on here and unlike you I am in position of the facts! And I have personal experience of this. Nothing that came out of that shipyard deserves lauded. | |||
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.
What agenda? Am I missing something?
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Read the post before mine.
Yeah read the one above this one too.
There's no agenda, I'm entitled to air my opinion on here and unlike you I am in position of the facts! And I have personal experience of this.
Nothing that came out of that shipyard deserves lauded. "You ASSUME I am not in the possession of the facts. No one should laud a ship that took so many lives, and any attempt to diminish those lives is tawdry. | |||
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.
What agenda? Am I missing something?
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Read the post before mine.
Yeah read the one above this one too.
There's no agenda, I'm entitled to air my opinion on here and unlike you I am in position of the facts! And I have personal experience of this.
Nothing that came out of that shipyard deserves lauded.
You ASSUME I am not in the possession of the facts.
No one should laud a ship that took so many lives, and any attempt to diminish those lives is tawdry."Who attempted to diminish those lives? Read my post. I KNOW you are not in possession of the facts because I am. | |||
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"The titanic Built in a sectarian ship yard with an open policy that no Catholics were allowed to work there that that went on for 60 odd years after the ship sank. Any Catholic found working in H&W who hid their religion was tortured and beaten. They don't tell you that in the museum. Northern Ireland's shame and embarrassment. It was a ship that sank, there's nothing glorious to remember about it and it's just unfortunate and sad for anyone who lost relatives on it. People should just let it go. People should let it go re - just a ship that sank yet clearly you cant let go the nature of its building. The hypocracracy in your post is beyond bigotry. Your ignorance is on display again tonight I see. You know nothing about a country where one side of the community didn't even have civil rights until the 70s. That's in a 1st world country in your lifetime less than 20 miles from your land sea border. Just consider that for a second. If you don't know what you're talking about refrain from commenting. " im showing my ignorance ?? You said people should let it go , talking about the Titanic. But preceding that you talked of bigotry in the ship yards, obviously you cant let that go, But hey ho IM showing MY ignorance lmfao.  | |||
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.
What agenda? Am I missing something?
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Read the post before mine.
Yeah read the one above this one too.
There's no agenda, I'm entitled to air my opinion on here and unlike you I am in position of the facts! And I have personal experience of this.
Nothing that came out of that shipyard deserves lauded.
You ASSUME I am not in the possession of the facts.
No one should laud a ship that took so many lives, and any attempt to diminish those lives is tawdry.
Who attempted to diminish those lives? Read my post. I KNOW you are not in possession of the facts because I am. "So, by your "logic", only one person can be in possession of a fact? I suggest you go and have a wee lie down. | |||
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"The titanic Built in a sectarian ship yard with an open policy that no Catholics were allowed to work there that that went on for 60 odd years after the ship sank. Any Catholic found working in H&W who hid their religion was tortured and beaten. They don't tell you that in the museum. Northern Ireland's shame and embarrassment. It was a ship that sank, there's nothing glorious to remember about it and it's just unfortunate and sad for anyone who lost relatives on it. People should just let it go. People should let it go re - just a ship that sank yet clearly you cant let go the nature of its building. The hypocracracy in your post is beyond bigotry. Your ignorance is on display again tonight I see. You know nothing about a country where one side of the community didn't even have civil rights until the 70s. That's in a 1st world country in your lifetime less than 20 miles from your land sea border. Just consider that for a second. If you don't know what you're talking about refrain from commenting. im showing my ignorance ?? You said people should let it go , talking about the Titanic. But preceding that you talked of bigotry in the ship yards, obviously you cant let that go, But hey ho IM showing MY ignorance lmfao. "You are demonstrating your complete and utter ignorance. It wasn't simple bigotry. It was an open policy, a sick reflection of the establishment that ran the place. And no where is that reflected in the titanic museum in Belfast as it suits the government and council to glorify the building place of the titanic. Yet that secret is kept from the world. How would you feel if the Ku Klu klan built it? Would you still be lauding it? And the fact that you are ignorant to that makes you ignorant yes. That should never be forgotten in all of this, racism, oppression, depriving individuals of human civil rights should never be forgotten or swept under the carpet. This isn't simple bigotry pal, and the fact you used that term again highlights your ignorance. | |||
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.
What agenda? Am I missing something?
R
Read the post before mine.
Yeah read the one above this one too.
There's no agenda, I'm entitled to air my opinion on here and unlike you I am in position of the facts! And I have personal experience of this.
Nothing that came out of that shipyard deserves lauded.
You ASSUME I am not in the possession of the facts.
No one should laud a ship that took so many lives, and any attempt to diminish those lives is tawdry.
Who attempted to diminish those lives? Read my post. I KNOW you are not in possession of the facts because I am.
So, by your "logic", only one person can be in possession of a fact?
I suggest you go and have a wee lie down."Yes that's exactly what I said wasn't it?????
Stop trying to deflect the conversation from the fact you came on here again as one of the forum good guys and trying to play to the crowd and when you couldn't back up what you alluded to you made a petty pathetic attempt to deflect the spotlight from that.
Like most of your sterile impotent posts.
Come back when you've something worthwhile to say to me. Don't try and tell me the history of my own country and the facts that go with them. | |||
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.
What agenda? Am I missing something?
R
Read the post before mine.
Yeah read the one above this one too.
There's no agenda, I'm entitled to air my opinion on here and unlike you I am in position of the facts! And I have personal experience of this.
Nothing that came out of that shipyard deserves lauded.
You ASSUME I am not in the possession of the facts.
No one should laud a ship that took so many lives, and any attempt to diminish those lives is tawdry.
Who attempted to diminish those lives? Read my post. I KNOW you are not in possession of the facts because I am.
So, by your "logic", only one person can be in possession of a fact?
I suggest you go and have a wee lie down.
Yes that's exactly what I said wasn't it?????
Stop trying to deflect the conversation from the fact you came on here again as one of the forum good guys and trying to play to the crowd and when you couldn't back up what you alluded to you made a petty pathetic attempt to deflect the spotlight from that.
Like most of your sterile impotent posts.
Come back when you've something worthwhile to say to me. Don't try and tell me the history of my own country and the facts that go with them. "Lol i see you never won any debating awards at school, you lose when you throw insults lol. | |||
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.
What agenda? Am I missing something?
R
Read the post before mine.
Yeah read the one above this one too.
There's no agenda, I'm entitled to air my opinion on here and unlike you I am in position of the facts! And I have personal experience of this.
Nothing that came out of that shipyard deserves lauded.
You ASSUME I am not in the possession of the facts.
No one should laud a ship that took so many lives, and any attempt to diminish those lives is tawdry.
Who attempted to diminish those lives? Read my post. I KNOW you are not in possession of the facts because I am.
So, by your "logic", only one person can be in possession of a fact?
I suggest you go and have a wee lie down.
Yes that's exactly what I said wasn't it?????
Stop trying to deflect the conversation from the fact you came on here again as one of the forum good guys and trying to play to the crowd and when you couldn't back up what you alluded to you made a petty pathetic attempt to deflect the spotlight from that.
Like most of your sterile impotent posts.
Come back when you've something worthwhile to say to me. Don't try and tell me the history of my own country and the facts that go with them. "What bullshit. | |||
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.
What agenda? Am I missing something?
R
Read the post before mine.
Yeah read the one above this one too.
There's no agenda, I'm entitled to air my opinion on here and unlike you I am in position of the facts! And I have personal experience of this.
Nothing that came out of that shipyard deserves lauded.
You ASSUME I am not in the possession of the facts.
No one should laud a ship that took so many lives, and any attempt to diminish those lives is tawdry.
Who attempted to diminish those lives? Read my post. I KNOW you are not in possession of the facts because I am.
So, by your "logic", only one person can be in possession of a fact?
I suggest you go and have a wee lie down.
Yes that's exactly what I said wasn't it?????
Stop trying to deflect the conversation from the fact you came on here again as one of the forum good guys and trying to play to the crowd and when you couldn't back up what you alluded to you made a petty pathetic attempt to deflect the spotlight from that.
Like most of your sterile impotent posts.
Come back when you've something worthwhile to say to me. Don't try and tell me the history of my own country and the facts that go with them.
Lol i see you never won any debating awards at school, you lose when you throw insults lol. "Insults? Where? The insult in all of this is collective ignorance. I'm guessing you never made the debating team because you can not back up anything that comes out of your opinionated mouth. Again, plaudits on your response there. Akin to your skinny legged friend. | |||
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"FYI, I only take history lessons from people with PhD in the subject, not those who rant incoherently." Refer to my last post to you. Aye ok.
I'm glad you're still taking history lessons, maybe you'll cover this topic next week. | |||
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"Jeez. Talk about having an agenda.
What agenda? Am I missing something?
R
Read the post before mine.
Yeah read the one above this one too.
There's no agenda, I'm entitled to air my opinion on here and unlike you I am in position of the facts! And I have personal experience of this.
Nothing that came out of that shipyard deserves lauded.
You ASSUME I am not in the possession of the facts.
No one should laud a ship that took so many lives, and any attempt to diminish those lives is tawdry.
Who attempted to diminish those lives? Read my post. I KNOW you are not in possession of the facts because I am.
So, by your "logic", only one person can be in possession of a fact?
I suggest you go and have a wee lie down.
Yes that's exactly what I said wasn't it?????
Stop trying to deflect the conversation from the fact you came on here again as one of the forum good guys and trying to play to the crowd and when you couldn't back up what you alluded to you made a petty pathetic attempt to deflect the spotlight from that.
Like most of your sterile impotent posts.
Come back when you've something worthwhile to say to me. Don't try and tell me the history of my own country and the facts that go with them.
Lol i see you never won any debating awards at school, you lose when you throw insults lol.
Insults? Where? The insult in all of this is collective ignorance.
I'm guessing you never made the debating team because you can not back up anything that comes out of your opinionated mouth.
Again, plaudits on your response there. Akin to your skinny legged friend. "Phew glad you never called me fat arsed,.   | |||
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"I can’t decide what is the biggest disaster...the Titanic sinking or this thread "Well, why don't you google the number of people who lost their lives when the Titanic sank? That should make your decision much easier. | |||
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"I can’t decide what is the biggest disaster...the Titanic sinking or this thread
Well, why don't you google the number of people who lost their lives when the Titanic sank?
That should make your decision much easier." | |||
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"I can’t decide what is the biggest disaster...the Titanic sinking or this thread
Well, why don't you google the number of people who lost their lives when the Titanic sank?
That should make your decision much easier."Fair comment....I was just exasperated at how a seemingly innocuous OP became yet another battle ground on this forum. | |||
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"I can’t decide what is the biggest disaster...the Titanic sinking or this thread
Well, why don't you google the number of people who lost their lives when the Titanic sank?
That should make your decision much easier.
Fair comment....I was just exasperated at how a seemingly innocuous OP became yet another battle ground on this forum. "It's not a battleground. It's ignorance all round. Some people on here don't know their history and facts and are all to quick to demean what someone says based on their ignorance and in an attempt to be humorous and play to the crowd. To allude to what went on as simple bigotry shows not understanding and no willingness to learn. Too many know it alls. | |||
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"I can’t decide what is the biggest disaster...the Titanic sinking or this thread
Well, why don't you google the number of people who lost their lives when the Titanic sank?
That should make your decision much easier.
Fair comment....I was just exasperated at how a seemingly innocuous OP became yet another battle ground on this forum.
It's not a battleground. It's ignorance all round.
Some people on here don't know their history and facts and are all to quick to demean what someone says based on their ignorance and in an attempt to be humorous and play to the crowd.
To allude to what went on as simple bigotry shows not understanding and no willingness to learn. Too many know it alls.
"Yet only you know the facts but we're the know it alls. Keep digging | |||
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"I can’t decide what is the biggest disaster...the Titanic sinking or this thread
Well, why don't you google the number of people who lost their lives when the Titanic sank?
That should make your decision much easier.
Fair comment....I was just exasperated at how a seemingly innocuous OP became yet another battle ground on this forum.
It's not a battleground. It's ignorance all round.
Some people on here don't know their history and facts and are all to quick to demean what someone says based on their ignorance and in an attempt to be humorous and play to the crowd.
To allude to what went on as simple bigotry shows not understanding and no willingness to learn. Too many know it alls.
Yet only you know the facts but we're the know it alls. Keep digging
"So in the interests of your debating skills, as you alluded earlier to the fact that this was a debate. As yet you.. Haven't backed you anything you've said. You think we should forget about racism, oppression, sectarianism and deprivation of human rights and even celebrate it if the people involved built a nice ship (albeit one that sank) You haven't denied that you don't know your history. You haven't acknowledged that deprivation of civil rights in your own lifetime in a country which is part of the UK was wrong. You continually have referred to individuals being beaten and tortured in their workplace as simple bigotry. And you still claim to.... I actually don't know what you claim? Oh yes, we should forget history and let it go. Easily said by a man who never had to concern himself with it. Why don't you ask Colin Kaepernick and Nike what they think of it all? | |||
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"I can’t decide what is the biggest disaster...the Titanic sinking or this thread
Well, why don't you google the number of people who lost their lives when the Titanic sank?
That should make your decision much easier.
Fair comment....I was just exasperated at how a seemingly innocuous OP became yet another battle ground on this forum.
It's not a battleground. It's ignorance all round.
Some people on here don't know their history and facts and are all to quick to demean what someone says based on their ignorance and in an attempt to be humorous and play to the crowd.
To allude to what went on as simple bigotry shows not understanding and no willingness to learn. Too many know it alls.
Yet only you know the facts but we're the know it alls. Keep digging
So in the interests of your debating skills, as you alluded earlier to the fact that this was a debate. As yet you..
Haven't backed you anything you've said.
You think we should forget about racism, oppression, sectarianism and deprivation of human rights and even celebrate it if the people involved built a nice ship (albeit one that sank)
You haven't denied that you don't know your history.
You haven't acknowledged that deprivation of civil rights in your own lifetime in a country which is part of the UK was wrong.
You continually have referred to individuals being beaten and tortured in their workplace as simple bigotry.
And you still claim to....
I actually don't know what you claim?
Oh yes, we should forget history and let it go.
Easily said by a man who never had to concern himself with it.
Why don't you ask Colin Kaepernick and Nike what they think of it all?"You really really need to read what i said. I quoted you , you said can we not let the subject of the titanic go yes , that was your words. But right before that you gave a history lesson on the shipyards and you were very obviously irate at the treatment of the catholics back then. I said it was hypocracracy when you want the subject of Titanic to be ' let go' yet you wont 'let go' the subject of the workers . I never claimed to know anything about the history, i commented on the contents of your POST not the history. | |||
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"You said "the hypocrisy of my post was beyond bigotry". I stand by my assessment that the titanic is nothing to be celebrated based on moral grounds. I recognised the unfortunate lose of life. But the ship should not be glorified given the circumstances under which it was openly allowed to be built. Do you care to reassess that now you are better informed? " No insults now but certainly no Appologies from you either . Yes im better informed but its all HISTORY why is one part of history less or more important than the other. Why forget 1500 lives but remember the suffering of the workers ? Its All history. You dont quote the soldiers that died in ww2 and forget the innocent millions who also were persecuted and killed. So with your point , you cant remember the workers and just 'let it go' as far as titanic. Surely you see that point. | |||
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"You said "the hypocrisy of my post was beyond bigotry". I stand by my assessment that the titanic is nothing to be celebrated based on moral grounds. I recognised the unfortunate lose of life. But the ship should not be glorified given the circumstances under which it was openly allowed to be built. Do you care to reassess that now you are better informed? No insults now but certainly no Appologies from you either . Yes im better informed but its all HISTORY why is one part of history less or more important than the other. Why forget 1500 lives but remember the suffering of the workers ? Its All history. You dont quote the soldiers that died in ww2 and forget the innocent millions who also were persecuted and killed. So with your point , you cant remember the workers and just 'let it go' as far as titanic. Surely you see that point. " I said it should be let go because it shouldn't be celebrated. I then went on to say why it shouldn't be celebrated. I never said anything about not remembering those who lost their life. What part don't you get? | |||
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"Lifted but... My grandfather saw the Titanic. He told everybody that it was gonna sink and they ignored him, but he just kept telling everyone over and over again that it was gonna sink. He was eventually told to shut up, but he wouldn't, and in the end he had to be removed from the cinema. " | |||
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"Lifted but... My grandfather saw the Titanic. He told everybody that it was gonna sink and they ignored him, but he just kept telling everyone over and over again that it was gonna sink. He was eventually told to shut up, but he wouldn't, and in the end he had to be removed from the cinema. "Lol | |||
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"Lifted but... My grandfather saw the Titanic. He told everybody that it was gonna sink and they ignored him, but he just kept telling everyone over and over again that it was gonna sink. He was eventually told to shut up, but he wouldn't, and in the end he had to be removed from the cinema. "Haha! | |||
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"TD40, out of interest do you get seasick or are you able to eat drink and be merry in any storm? Regardless of who how or what may have besmirched the ships built she sailed into history as the worst maritime disaster in living history. Am away to watch Raise the Titanic a true turkey of a movie yet still watchable.
"Strictly speaking, the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff is the worst maritime disaster, with an estimated 9,400 lost. | |||
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"TD40, out of interest do you get seasick or are you able to eat drink and be merry in any storm? Regardless of who how or what may have besmirched the ships built she sailed into history as the worst maritime disaster in living history. Am away to watch Raise the Titanic a true turkey of a movie yet still watchable.
Strictly speaking, the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff is the worst maritime disaster, with an estimated 9,400 lost."thanks i forgot about that wartime sinking | |||
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