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"Neither they are both poor examples of a charity" What would you find a good charity, out of curiosity | |||
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"Help for Heros. I was on Princes Street in Edinburgh, and on one edge of the pavement was a beggar with the usual sad looking dog, and on the other edge was a Veteran Soldier in a wheelchair with a collection tin. Beggar wasn't getting much change that day." A beggear with a dog gets no money from me but the dog will always get a biscuit. | |||
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"Neither they are both poor examples of a charity What would you find a good charity, out of curiosity " one that more than 70% of what's given makes it to the cause | |||
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"Thats actually looking for an argument isnt it?  "Not at all, already people have answered honestly ?? , my curiosity is purely what you would think more worthy. | |||
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"Neither they are both poor examples of a charity What would you find a good charity, out of curiosity one that more than 70% of what's given makes it to the cause" Ah ok so your not anti the causes , the admin puts you off . Fair enough , good point. | |||
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"Help for heroes. I can do my own bit by adopting rescue cats which I have done. " This is a good point. | |||
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"How can you say 1 is more worthy tho? " Well in my view people fighting for their country is more important than animals , BUT , thats MY opinion not a cause for argument. The subject came into my head after a day trip with family , to the zoo and made me wonder others opinions. Maybe some would rather it turned into an argument but certainly not me. Xx | |||
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"Why give to help for hero's the government got them injured they should be looking after them Tony Blair took them in to a illegal war to get oil and gas for the ammericans to plunder countries of there wealth just like Britain done in the commonwealth the old saying the rich get richer and the poor get killed in war's for them " So rspca then ? | |||
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"Why give to help for hero's the government got them injured they should be looking after them Tony Blair took them in to a illegal war to get oil and gas for the ammericans to plunder countries of there wealth just like Britain done in the commonwealth the old saying the rich get richer and the poor get killed in war's for them " What about the great war and ww2 . Some of those vets are still with us as is the families. ? | |||
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ?" SSPCA. Rspca, don't exist in Scotland. | |||
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ? SSPCA. Rspca, don't exist in Scotland. " Already mentioned thx . Interesting people dont go shopping outside scotland. Maybe a tangent in there lol  | |||
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ? SSPCA. Rspca, don't exist in Scotland. Already mentioned thx . Interesting people dont go shopping outside scotland. Maybe a tangent in there lol "Last vet of WWI died 6 years ago. Do you regularly travel from Blantyre to England for your shopping?! Maybe shop local and send charity of choice your fuel money instead of the change on your way out a shop 
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"How can you say 1 is more worthy tho? Well in my view people fighting for their country is more important than animals , BUT , thats MY opinion not a cause for argument. The subject came into my head after a day trip with family , to the zoo and made me wonder others opinions. Maybe some would rather it turned into an argument but certainly not me. Xx" The vets already take care of animals Out of interest how many people are actually politically motivated to join the armed forces | |||
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"I can't even. Seriously, some people are fucked up. Happy Sunday folks "Did you post this on the wrong thread? | |||
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ? SSPCA. Rspca, don't exist in Scotland. Already mentioned thx . Interesting people dont go shopping outside scotland. Maybe a tangent in there lol "Which leads me on another tangent, should people be adopting rescue dogs and shipping them over here from Spain, Romania etc when there are so many dogs in the UK needing good homes? Or am I being racist to dogs?  | |||
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"I can't even. Seriously, some people are fucked up. Happy Sunday folks
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"I can't even. Seriously, some people are fucked up. Happy Sunday folks
Did you post this on the wrong thread?
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ? SSPCA. Rspca, don't exist in Scotland. Already mentioned thx . Interesting people dont go shopping outside scotland. Maybe a tangent in there lol
Which leads me on another tangent, should people be adopting rescue dogs and shipping them over here from Spain, Romania etc when there are so many dogs in the UK needing good homes? Or am I being racist to dogs? "Should we send pension money to people who have emigrated to Spain or the rest of Europe? Should Spain etc accept immigrants from Scotland, England or Wales without complaint? Jim | |||
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"How can you say 1 is more worthy tho? " One isn’t any more worthy than the other but people do tend to either be animal lovers or people orientated. They usually choose charities that have personally affected them as well. So personally I support the Chest, Heart and Stroke charity and the RNIB. | |||
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ? SSPCA. Rspca, don't exist in Scotland. Already mentioned thx . Interesting people dont go shopping outside scotland. Maybe a tangent in there lol
Which leads me on another tangent, should people be adopting rescue dogs and shipping them over here from Spain, Romania etc when there are so many dogs in the UK needing good homes? Or am I being racist to dogs? "I know someone who did this as it was the only way they could get a dog that suited their requirements. Don’t agree with it but then I’m a cat person. | |||
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ? SSPCA. Rspca, don't exist in Scotland. Already mentioned thx . Interesting people dont go shopping outside scotland. Maybe a tangent in there lol
Last vet of WWI died 6 years ago.
Do you regularly travel from Blantyre to England for your shopping?! Maybe shop local and send charity of choice your fuel money instead of the change on your way out a shop
Definitely seems like your wanting to have a wee argument with this thread
Jim"Ahh Jim you have the same mentality of a few others on the scottish forums these day. You cannot tell the difference between an argument and a topic for discussion. As proven above , opinions have differed for 1 reason or another and nobody has felt they are joining an argument. The only person who feels there is an argument in this thread is yourself bud. By the way which would you choose and why.  | |||
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"My opinion, a society should be judged on how it helps those that can't help themselves. GB & NI have took advantage of those that can't for as long as I've known. They actively play people off of each other, through religious, political, ethnical differences and there is a narrow minded, vocal minority that will back the government and follow the press that they lead. Imo, these are exactly the type of people that the heros of WWI & II fought against. (Those brainwashed to follow government, and marginalise anyone with a different point of view) The heros fought against religious intolerance and fascism. Strange how it seems to be highjacked now by people against a different one 100 years later." One of the reasons I refuse to wear Earl Haigs Poppy | |||
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"Rspca , i was chugged a year ago and donate to the help for heroes monthly," Whit? We should be starting a crowd fund to get you chugged again! | |||
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ? SSPCA. Rspca, don't exist in Scotland. Already mentioned thx . Interesting people dont go shopping outside scotland. Maybe a tangent in there lol
Last vet of WWI died 6 years ago.
Do you regularly travel from Blantyre to England for your shopping?! Maybe shop local and send charity of choice your fuel money instead of the change on your way out a shop
Definitely seems like your wanting to have a wee argument with this thread
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Ahh Jim you have the same mentality of a few others on the scottish forums these day. You cannot tell the difference between an argument and a topic for discussion. As proven above , opinions have differed for 1 reason or another and nobody has felt they are joining an argument. The only person who feels there is an argument in this thread is yourself bud. By the way which would you choose and why. "See my last post, and make your own inference. The first comment thought you were looking for an argument too "bud" So, how about making they fuel bills into donations and helping out local stores? | |||
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"However much I had left in change, I would split it between the two. Something is always better than nothing and I would have done two good deeds for the day x"Very fair cate . | |||
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"However much I had left in change, I would split it between the two. Something is always better than nothing and I would have done two good deeds for the day x"Ffs, Cate, get into the spirit of the conversation. You need to choose. What is more worthy  | |||
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"However much I had left in change, I would split it between the two. Something is always better than nothing and I would have done two good deeds for the day x
Ffs, Cate, get into the spirit of the conversation.
You need to choose. What is more worthy "Haha what? You know me, I'm all for equality. I can't choose as they're both worthy charities!! x | |||
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ? SSPCA. Rspca, don't exist in Scotland. Already mentioned thx . Interesting people dont go shopping outside scotland. Maybe a tangent in there lol
Last vet of WWI died 6 years ago.
Do you regularly travel from Blantyre to England for your shopping?! Maybe shop local and send charity of choice your fuel money instead of the change on your way out a shop
Definitely seems like your wanting to have a wee argument with this thread
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Ahh Jim you have the same mentality of a few others on the scottish forums these day. You cannot tell the difference between an argument and a topic for discussion. As proven above , opinions have differed for 1 reason or another and nobody has felt they are joining an argument. The only person who feels there is an argument in this thread is yourself bud. By the way which would you choose and why.
See my last post, and make your own inference. The first comment thought you were looking for an argument too "bud"
So, how about making they fuel bills into donations and helping out local stores?
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ? SSPCA. Rspca, don't exist in Scotland. Already mentioned thx . Interesting people dont go shopping outside scotland. Maybe a tangent in there lol
Last vet of WWI died 6 years ago.
Do you regularly travel from Blantyre to England for your shopping?! Maybe shop local and send charity of choice your fuel money instead of the change on your way out a shop
Definitely seems like your wanting to have a wee argument with this thread
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Ahh Jim you have the same mentality of a few others on the scottish forums these day. You cannot tell the difference between an argument and a topic for discussion. As proven above , opinions have differed for 1 reason or another and nobody has felt they are joining an argument. The only person who feels there is an argument in this thread is yourself bud. By the way which would you choose and why.
See my last post, and make your own inference. The first comment thought you were looking for an argument too "bud"
So, how about making they fuel bills into donations and helping out local stores?
Just to clarify before answering the question, lets just be sure i got the question correct. Are you saying i should never leave the country again as my fuel money could go to charity? And is that directed at just myself or all the residents of Scotland. ?" did I mention anyone else? Did I ever say you couldn't leave the country? Naw.....
I'm wondering why you started a thread about donating spare change on your way out a shop, then ask if your the only person that travels 70+ mile to another country to do their shopping and donate spare change.....
Do you nip away to other countries regularly for your shopping? Throw a few coins in a donation tin, then tell all your "pals" how you helped some 'unfortunate' out? I think your trolling.
Happy to continue the conversation if we ever meet in person, but I'm not going to indulge you on here anymore.
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"And what did I say about an argument? "Last word on your tangent, you should read back all your comments in this thread and ask yourself, who has been more intent on starting an argument. x | |||
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"Ehe? " Sry oldie . I got you mixed up with the other person that was trying to wind up , yes in a way you were right. The thread was out of curiosity at somthing that happened over the weekend with myself and family but as usual someone tried to disrupt a normal discussion. Appologies again. Thx to all who expressed thier views on which one they would choose or not choose. | |||
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"Neither, I have a huge dislike for the charity bucket shakers outside supermarkets and the likes guilt tripping people into donating. So instead I donate my time to 2 charities, I buy items from social enterprises like Social Bite and Turning Point Scotland and we buy gifts for local wee ones at Christmas. I expect to be lynched now lol" I’m a wincher not a lyncher .  | |||
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"Neither, I have a huge dislike for the charity bucket shakers outside supermarkets and the likes guilt tripping people into donating. So instead I donate my time to 2 charities, I buy items from social enterprises like Social Bite and Turning Point Scotland and we buy gifts for local wee ones at Christmas. I expect to be lynched now lol" I think dedicating your time and energy and consistently buying items from 2 such wonderful organisations as opposed to one off donations is to be commended rather than condemned. | |||
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"Neither, I have a huge dislike for the charity bucket shakers outside supermarkets and the likes guilt tripping people into donating. So instead I donate my time to 2 charities, I buy items from social enterprises like Social Bite and Turning Point Scotland and we buy gifts for local wee ones at Christmas. I expect to be lynched now lol I think dedicating your time and energy and consistently buying items from 2 such wonderful organisations as opposed to one off donations is to be commended rather than condemned. " Ach refusing to chuck your 2p's in a bucket is usually frowned upon lol! | |||
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"Neither, I have a huge dislike for the charity bucket shakers outside supermarkets and the likes guilt tripping people into donating. So instead I donate my time to 2 charities, I buy items from social enterprises like Social Bite and Turning Point Scotland and we buy gifts for local wee ones at Christmas. I expect to be lynched now lol" Definitely not lynched Amy. All views are welcomed and respected. | |||
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"So basically you are annoyed that Edinburgh zoo asks for charitable donations for their animals? But don't give military personnel discounts? A: It is no great surprise a zoo might look for donations for animals. They might expect people visiting quite like animals (apart from any debate on if zoos are good for animals or not). B: Giving a discount for service personnel is not really the same as giving to a charity like Help for Heroes. Unless you are saying all serving personnel should be considered charity? (And no anti-military here, my family are military)." Yep you have summed it up very well. To your A point . I would have hoped a big organisation like a zoo would also appreciate the sacrifices our military personnel do for a country and the fact they would bring many family members into the zoo while on leave hence creating more revenue. What also got me was when they heard there was a pottential huge pot of money from the personnel themselves thier first thought was , oh we could try for some of that. Appreciate your views | |||
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"So basically you are annoyed that Edinburgh zoo asks for charitable donations for their animals? But don't give military personnel discounts? A: It is no great surprise a zoo might look for donations for animals. They might expect people visiting quite like animals (apart from any debate on if zoos are good for animals or not). B: Giving a discount for service personnel is not really the same as giving to a charity like Help for Heroes. Unless you are saying all serving personnel should be considered charity? (And no anti-military here, my family are military)." Sry meant to say, they dont ask for a charitable donation , they add it on to your entrance fee automatically , you as a paying bisitor then have to say NO take it off my entry fee. | |||
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"Neither they are both poor examples of a charity What would you find a good charity, out of curiosity one that more than 70% of what's given makes it to the cause" Totally agree. We would not need charity if the government did their job properly and everyday people did not have such a greed filled, throw away culture and disregard for their fellow humans. Unfortunately humans are to easily led and are swayed by glamourous TV and media marketing. Ever since the war ended, We have become more inward self centred status bearing, rather than looking out for others, neighbours and communities. It will take a giant evolutionary event to change the nature of individuals throughtout the UK. Mistress Amelia | |||
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"Neither they are both poor examples of a charity What would you find a good charity, out of curiosity one that more than 70% of what's given makes it to the cause Totally agree. We would not need charity if the government did their job properly and everyday people did not have such a greed filled, throw away culture and disregard for their fellow humans. Unfortunately humans are to easily led and are swayed by glamourous TV and media marketing. Ever since the war ended, We have become more inward self centred status bearing, rather than looking out for others, neighbours and communities. It will take a giant evolutionary event to change the nature of individuals throughtout the UK. Mistress Amelia" Ahh but has that same government not also gave you all the freedoms you have today to safely walk down the street and not face the prejudices and different treatments not afforded you in the past. Im not pro governments by the way im just pointing out that people always point to the negatives of one thing and ignore the good things as they think thats thier rights. Rights and freedoms are earned, mainly by the sacrifices of our children and parents and grandparents in the military. I do agree with you though society in the main are all about themselves mostly , nowadays . | |||
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"Id give to rspca, help for heroes gets no sympathy from me" Why is that bud ? | |||
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ?" Personally sspca would win over help for heroes the RSPCA has no place in Scotland I'm an animal person and whilst I actively give to most charities don't shoot me but people get benefits and yeah it's not alot but animals don't get benefits ! | |||
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"Neither they are both poor examples of a charity What would you find a good charity, out of curiosity one that more than 70% of what's given makes it to the cause" Actually help for heroes collection tins go directly to the charity as does poppy appeal etc however buying poppies and other paraphanalia Is different | |||
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"Neither they are both poor examples of a charity What would you find a good charity, out of curiosity one that more than 70% of what's given makes it to the cause Actually help for heroes collection tins go directly to the charity as does poppy appeal etc however buying poppies and other paraphanalia Is different " yes the money goes to the hq then admin charges and wages are removed may surprise you how little of a pound makes it to where you want it to go......theres lists online of percentages for charities you should go and view them it will change your mind on charity validity | |||
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"Neither they are both poor examples of a charity What would you find a good charity, out of curiosity one that more than 70% of what's given makes it to the cause Actually help for heroes collection tins go directly to the charity as does poppy appeal etc however buying poppies and other paraphanalia Is different yes the money goes to the hq then admin charges and wages are removed may surprise you how little of a pound makes it to where you want it to go......theres lists online of percentages for charities you should go and view them it will change your mind on charity validity" Is that all charities or just some , im not sure though if i think about it . 70% of something is better than 100% of nothing . There is admin and costs in almost everything in life. I feel charity shop workers should get a little pay for the long ours they spend in shops but do it voluntarily again without those people the charities would get nothing. Maybe theres another tangent there to be explored. ? | |||
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"Surely in Scotland this should be the sspca and help the heroes . RSPCA is different lol " Yes this has been mentioned 4 or 5 times but the OP mentioned merely a shopping centre not Scotland. Whats your views bud . | |||
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"Neither they are both poor examples of a charity What would you find a good charity, out of curiosity one that more than 70% of what's given makes it to the cause Actually help for heroes collection tins go directly to the charity as does poppy appeal etc however buying poppies and other paraphanalia Is different yes the money goes to the hq then admin charges and wages are removed may surprise you how little of a pound makes it to where you want it to go......theres lists online of percentages for charities you should go and view them it will change your mind on charity validity Is that all charities or just some , im not sure though if i think about it . 70% of something is better than 100% of nothing . There is admin and costs in almost everything in life. I feel charity shop workers should get a little pay for the long ours they spend in shops but do it voluntarily again without those people the charities would get nothing. Maybe theres another tangent there to be explored. ?" 70% going to the cause is what I deem good ie 30% running costs. alot of the big charitys get nowhere near this some shockingly barely get to double figures | |||
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"Neither they are both poor examples of a charity What would you find a good charity, out of curiosity one that more than 70% of what's given makes it to the cause Actually help for heroes collection tins go directly to the charity as does poppy appeal etc however buying poppies and other paraphanalia Is different yes the money goes to the hq then admin charges and wages are removed may surprise you how little of a pound makes it to where you want it to go......theres lists online of percentages for charities you should go and view them it will change your mind on charity validity Is that all charities or just some , im not sure though if i think about it . 70% of something is better than 100% of nothing . There is admin and costs in almost everything in life. I feel charity shop workers should get a little pay for the long ours they spend in shops but do it voluntarily again without those people the charities would get nothing. Maybe theres another tangent there to be explored. ?70% going to the cause is what I deem good ie 30% running costs. alot of the big charitys get nowhere near this some shockingly barely get to double figures" Ahh right , sry , thought you meant that was a bad percentage Yeah agree with you then , shouldn't need any more than that for admin and such . | |||
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"I was really surprised when I first did the Race for life for Cancer research that I received 2 phone calls pre-race, one to see how my training was going, another to wish me good luck and one call after the race to say thank you
To me, it makes no sense having a call centre to do this and from what I have been told they are not volunteers "Hey max. I just did a race for life event at the weekend there and I didn’t get any calls. What I did get was emails before and after the event. I fully expected this as I had to give my email address as part of the sign up process. | |||
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"I was really surprised when I first did the Race for life for Cancer research that I received 2 phone calls pre-race, one to see how my training was going, another to wish me good luck and one call after the race to say thank you
To me, it makes no sense having a call centre to do this and from what I have been told they are not volunteers "Its a good point Max but if they did not do that i think some would say . Ohh i went out my way to train and run for a charity and they never even said well done or thx so feck that i wont do it again. I get your point about the cost of a call centre but i think its nice they supported you and congratulated you just as you supported them . Xx | |||
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"Id give to rspca, help for heroes gets no sympathy from me Why is that bud ? " I just dont think that we should provide support for the wounded, they know fully well what they are getting themselves into when they sign up and the services should support them if anything should happen. Its a bit like playing in a sandbox and then acting surprised when you get sand in your vagina. | |||
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"I was really surprised when I first did the Race for life for Cancer research that I received 2 phone calls pre-race, one to see how my training was going, another to wish me good luck and one call after the race to say thank you
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Hey max. I just did a race for life event at the weekend there and I didn’t get any calls. What I did get was emails before and after the event. I fully expected this as I had to give my email address as part of the sign up process. "I had the emails too, I usually do the one in May. Maybe they have stopped doing it. Will see next year  | |||
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"I was really surprised when I first did the Race for life for Cancer research that I received 2 phone calls pre-race, one to see how my training was going, another to wish me good luck and one call after the race to say thank you
To me, it makes no sense having a call centre to do this and from what I have been told they are not volunteers
Hey max. I just did a race for life event at the weekend there and I didn’t get any calls. What I did get was emails before and after the event. I fully expected this as I had to give my email address as part of the sign up process.
I had the emails too, I usually do the one in May. Maybe they have stopped doing it. Will see next year "Maybe, i do stand by my thoughts though, knowing you , x i have no doubt you raise a fair amount of money for the charity, so i still think its nice they use a tiny bit of that money to contact you personally to say thx. My opinion only Max xx | |||
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"I was really surprised when I first did the Race for life for Cancer research that I received 2 phone calls pre-race, one to see how my training was going, another to wish me good luck and one call after the race to say thank you
To me, it makes no sense having a call centre to do this and from what I have been told they are not volunteers
Its a good point Max but if they did not do that i think some would say . Ohh i went out my way to train and run for a charity and they never even said well done or thx so feck that i wont do it again. I get your point about the cost of a call centre but i think its nice they supported you and congratulated you just as you supported them . Xx"I see your point but at the same time, I do it for the cause and for people I know that have been affected and will be affected in the future etc... a rub on the back from some guy on the other side of the line, I certainly don’t need or do it for
The support of the volunteers during is great and that, the runners need, plus we get a medal, that’s thank you enough for me and free bottle of water at the end and other sort of freebie.
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"I was really surprised when I first did the Race for life for Cancer research that I received 2 phone calls pre-race, one to see how my training was going, another to wish me good luck and one call after the race to say thank you
To me, it makes no sense having a call centre to do this and from what I have been told they are not volunteers
Hey max. I just did a race for life event at the weekend there and I didn’t get any calls. What I did get was emails before and after the event. I fully expected this as I had to give my email address as part of the sign up process.
I had the emails too, I usually do the one in May. Maybe they have stopped doing it. Will see next year
Maybe, i do stand by my thoughts though, knowing you , x i have no doubt you raise a fair amount of money for the charity, so i still think its nice they use a tiny bit of that money to contact you personally to say thx. My opinion only Max xx "Am just a grumpy anti social runner x | |||
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"Id give to rspca, help for heroes gets no sympathy from me Why is that bud ? I just dont think that we should provide support for the wounded, they know fully well what they are getting themselves into when they sign up and the services should support them if anything should happen. Its a bit like playing in a sandbox and then acting surprised when you get sand in your vagina." Did the ww2 vets also know what they were in for when they were DRAFTED . A few people have mentioned the recent wars and governments involvement in whatever stance they took to be a reason to be anti the help for heros option but i think they seem to be forgetting some of the biggest sacrifices made many years earlier. Those sacrifices that allow us to wave Scottish flags and not German flags today. | |||
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"I was really surprised when I first did the Race for life for Cancer research that I received 2 phone calls pre-race, one to see how my training was going, another to wish me good luck and one call after the race to say thank you
To me, it makes no sense having a call centre to do this and from what I have been told they are not volunteers
Its a good point Max but if they did not do that i think some would say . Ohh i went out my way to train and run for a charity and they never even said well done or thx so feck that i wont do it again. I get your point about the cost of a call centre but i think its nice they supported you and congratulated you just as you supported them . Xx
I see your point but at the same time, I do it for the cause and for people I know that have been affected and will be affected in the future etc... a rub on the back from some guy on the other side of the line, I certainly don’t need or do it for
The support of the volunteers during is great and that, the runners need, plus we get a medal, that’s thank you enough for me and free bottle of water at the end and other sort of freebie.
Sorry for the deviation "Max no need for Appologies on a deviation from topic. Thats the best thing about discussions , they should be allowed to change direction. Well done for doing the running in the first place. X | |||
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"Id give to rspca, help for heroes gets no sympathy from me Why is that bud ? I just dont think that we should provide support for the wounded, they know fully well what they are getting themselves into when they sign up and the services should support them if anything should happen. Its a bit like playing in a sandbox and then acting surprised when you get sand in your vagina. Did the ww2 vets also know what they were in for when they were DRAFTED . A few people have mentioned the recent wars and governments involvement in whatever stance they took to be a reason to be anti the help for heros option but i think they seem to be forgetting some of the biggest sacrifices made many years earlier. Those sacrifices that allow us to wave Scottish flags and not German flags today. " For a lot of people, myself included, the men of both my grandfathers generation (one Royal Navy, one 8th Army) fought a noble war against Facism. Rightly or wrongly the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been viewed as “illegal” or “dirty wars” which in my view has far less to do with the security of this country than they did about oil and the imposition of a political system i.e. “democracy” which both the aforementioned countries had no inclination towards. As far as I’m aware neither Afghanistan or Iraq were ever likely to invade the United Kingdom and as such the premise that servicemen were defending this country has no merit or basis in fact. I have absolutely nothing against military personnel but by the same token I am not prepared to go down the road of the United States whereby people are expected to express gratitude “for your service” in a war that I personally opposed from the outset. Are servicemen and women any more deserving of charity than a Staff Nurse in the NHS who after paying his/her bills has to rely on food banks to feed themselves or a London Firefighter who can’t afford to live in London because he/she is paid a pittance and can’t afford housing within the city limits? Not meaning to offend anyone but I don’t see why having MADE A CHOICE to serve in the military unlike my grandfathers who were conscripted anyone is a more honourable/better/worthy member of society than someone who has not. | |||
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"Id give to rspca, help for heroes gets no sympathy from me Why is that bud ? I just dont think that we should provide support for the wounded, they know fully well what they are getting themselves into when they sign up and the services should support them if anything should happen. Its a bit like playing in a sandbox and then acting surprised when you get sand in your vagina." Oft. Holding my tongue here. Massively. Youre right on one thing though, the government should support our wounded, but guess what, they make a pitiful effort at it, like they do with most things. Soldiers regularly take out their own life/accident insurance because they know if anything were to happen they would be up shit creek without a paddle (due to equipment cutbacks no doubt) | |||
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"I was really surprised when I first did the Race for life for Cancer research that I received 2 phone calls pre-race, one to see how my training was going, another to wish me good luck and one call after the race to say thank you
To me, it makes no sense having a call centre to do this and from what I have been told they are not volunteers
Hey max. I just did a race for life event at the weekend there and I didn’t get any calls. What I did get was emails before and after the event. I fully expected this as I had to give my email address as part of the sign up process.
I had the emails too, I usually do the one in May. Maybe they have stopped doing it. Will see next year "Maybe catch you at one of them sometime Max. There were 12 if us doing it and we collectively raised over 6k and you’re right the only praise I want is the wee cheap medal at the end and the bottle of water | |||
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"Id give to rspca, help for heroes gets no sympathy from me Why is that bud ? I just dont think that we should provide support for the wounded, they know fully well what they are getting themselves into when they sign up and the services should support them if anything should happen. Its a bit like playing in a sandbox and then acting surprised when you get sand in your vagina. Did the ww2 vets also know what they were in for when they were DRAFTED . A few people have mentioned the recent wars and governments involvement in whatever stance they took to be a reason to be anti the help for heros option but i think they seem to be forgetting some of the biggest sacrifices made many years earlier. Those sacrifices that allow us to wave Scottish flags and not German flags today. For a lot of people, myself included, the men of both my grandfathers generation (one Royal Navy, one 8th Army) fought a noble war against Facism. Rightly or wrongly the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been viewed as “illegal” or “dirty wars” which in my view has far less to do with the security of this country than they did about oil and the imposition of a political system i.e. “democracy” which both the aforementioned countries had no inclination towards. As far as I’m aware neither Afghanistan or Iraq were ever likely to invade the United Kingdom and as such the premise that servicemen were defending this country has no merit or basis in fact. I have absolutely nothing against military personnel but by the same token I am not prepared to go down the road of the United States whereby people are expected to express gratitude “for your service” in a war that I personally opposed from the outset. Are servicemen and women any more deserving of charity than a Staff Nurse in the NHS who after paying his/her bills has to rely on food banks to feed themselves or a London Firefighter who can’t afford to live in London because he/she is paid a pittance and can’t afford housing within the city limits? Not meaning to offend anyone but I don’t see why having MADE A CHOICE to serve in the military unlike my grandfathers who were conscripted anyone is a more honourable/better/worthy member of society than someone who has not." Yes..... you bring up a great point here. Hopefully you read back what prompted me to this thread ie. Edinburgh zoo looking adding a donation to your entry fee but not offering service personnel a small discount. Which brings me to your point bud. No !! Nothing makes military personnel more important than nurses and ALL emergency services alike. I thought about that during the course of this thread these people SHOULD be given discounts to attractions all over the country too in my opinion. They put thier lives on the line just like military so i agree with your point , definitely. | |||
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"Id give to rspca, help for heroes gets no sympathy from me Why is that bud ? I just dont think that we should provide support for the wounded, they know fully well what they are getting themselves into when they sign up and the services should support them if anything should happen. Its a bit like playing in a sandbox and then acting surprised when you get sand in your vagina. Oft. Holding my tongue here. Massively. Youre right on one thing though, the government should support our wounded, but guess what, they make a pitiful effort at it, like they do with most things. Soldiers regularly take out their own life/accident insurance because they know if anything were to happen they would be up shit creek without a paddle (due to equipment cutbacks no doubt) " Smooth, no need to hold your tongue bud, this is a discussion and all views are welcome, unless it becomes abusive of course lol. Its been great to read all the different views put forward with reasons . | |||
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"I was really surprised when I first did the Race for life for Cancer research that I received 2 phone calls pre-race, one to see how my training was going, another to wish me good luck and one call after the race to say thank you
To me, it makes no sense having a call centre to do this and from what I have been told they are not volunteers
Hey max. I just did a race for life event at the weekend there and I didn’t get any calls. What I did get was emails before and after the event. I fully expected this as I had to give my email address as part of the sign up process.
I had the emails too, I usually do the one in May. Maybe they have stopped doing it. Will see next year
Maybe catch you at one of them sometime Max. There were 12 if us doing it and we collectively raised over 6k and you’re right the only praise I want is the wee cheap medal at the end and the bottle of water "Well a pat on the back from all of the Fab community then guys. | |||
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"Id give to rspca, help for heroes gets no sympathy from me Why is that bud ? I just dont think that we should provide support for the wounded, they know fully well what they are getting themselves into when they sign up and the services should support them if anything should happen. Its a bit like playing in a sandbox and then acting surprised when you get sand in your vagina. Did the ww2 vets also know what they were in for when they were DRAFTED . A few people have mentioned the recent wars and governments involvement in whatever stance they took to be a reason to be anti the help for heros option but i think they seem to be forgetting some of the biggest sacrifices made many years earlier. Those sacrifices that allow us to wave Scottish flags and not German flags today. For a lot of people, myself included, the men of both my grandfathers generation (one Royal Navy, one 8th Army) fought a noble war against Facism. Rightly or wrongly the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been viewed as “illegal” or “dirty wars” which in my view has far less to do with the security of this country than they did about oil and the imposition of a political system i.e. “democracy” which both the aforementioned countries had no inclination towards. As far as I’m aware neither Afghanistan or Iraq were ever likely to invade the United Kingdom and as such the premise that servicemen were defending this country has no merit or basis in fact. I have absolutely nothing against military personnel but by the same token I am not prepared to go down the road of the United States whereby people are expected to express gratitude “for your service” in a war that I personally opposed from the outset. Are servicemen and women any more deserving of charity than a Staff Nurse in the NHS who after paying his/her bills has to rely on food banks to feed themselves or a London Firefighter who can’t afford to live in London because he/she is paid a pittance and can’t afford housing within the city limits? Not meaning to offend anyone but I don’t see why having MADE A CHOICE to serve in the military unlike my grandfathers who were conscripted anyone is a more honourable/better/worthy member of society than someone who has not. Yes..... you bring up a great point here. Hopefully you read back what prompted me to this thread ie. Edinburgh zoo looking adding a donation to your entry fee but not offering service personnel a small discount. Which brings me to your point bud. No !! Nothing makes military personnel more important than nurses and ALL emergency services alike. I thought about that during the course of this thread these people SHOULD be given discounts to attractions all over the country too in my opinion. They put thier lives on the line just like military so i agree with your point , definitely. "I think, irrespective of anyone’s party politics, it’s a damning indictment of our society today that we don’t take care of our services and emergency services personnel in general. You only have to look at the recent spate of veterans who have been left destitute, homeless, psychologically damaged and discarded by successive governments on who’s orders they fought. Sadly in this climate of “austerity” I don’t see it changing and men and women damaged by what they have endured won’t get the help that politicians should ensure they get without having to rely on charity! | |||
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"I was really surprised when I first did the Race for life for Cancer research that I received 2 phone calls pre-race, one to see how my training was going, another to wish me good luck and one call after the race to say thank you
To me, it makes no sense having a call centre to do this and from what I have been told they are not volunteers
Hey max. I just did a race for life event at the weekend there and I didn’t get any calls. What I did get was emails before and after the event. I fully expected this as I had to give my email address as part of the sign up process.
I had the emails too, I usually do the one in May. Maybe they have stopped doing it. Will see next year
Maybe catch you at one of them sometime Max. There were 12 if us doing it and we collectively raised over 6k and you’re right the only praise I want is the wee cheap medal at the end and the bottle of water "Wow! Well done! That is brilliant! Indeed, maybe catch you next year  | |||
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"Id give to rspca, help for heroes gets no sympathy from me Why is that bud ? I just dont think that we should provide support for the wounded, they know fully well what they are getting themselves into when they sign up and the services should support them if anything should happen. Its a bit like playing in a sandbox and then acting surprised when you get sand in your vagina. Did the ww2 vets also know what they were in for when they were DRAFTED . A few people have mentioned the recent wars and governments involvement in whatever stance they took to be a reason to be anti the help for heros option but i think they seem to be forgetting some of the biggest sacrifices made many years earlier. Those sacrifices that allow us to wave Scottish flags and not German flags today. For a lot of people, myself included, the men of both my grandfathers generation (one Royal Navy, one 8th Army) fought a noble war against Facism. Rightly or wrongly the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been viewed as “illegal” or “dirty wars” which in my view has far less to do with the security of this country than they did about oil and the imposition of a political system i.e. “democracy” which both the aforementioned countries had no inclination towards. As far as I’m aware neither Afghanistan or Iraq were ever likely to invade the United Kingdom and as such the premise that servicemen were defending this country has no merit or basis in fact. I have absolutely nothing against military personnel but by the same token I am not prepared to go down the road of the United States whereby people are expected to express gratitude “for your service” in a war that I personally opposed from the outset. Are servicemen and women any more deserving of charity than a Staff Nurse in the NHS who after paying his/her bills has to rely on food banks to feed themselves or a London Firefighter who can’t afford to live in London because he/she is paid a pittance and can’t afford housing within the city limits? Not meaning to offend anyone but I don’t see why having MADE A CHOICE to serve in the military unlike my grandfathers who were conscripted anyone is a more honourable/better/worthy member of society than someone who has not. Yes..... you bring up a great point here. Hopefully you read back what prompted me to this thread ie. Edinburgh zoo looking adding a donation to your entry fee but not offering service personnel a small discount. Which brings me to your point bud. No !! Nothing makes military personnel more important than nurses and ALL emergency services alike. I thought about that during the course of this thread these people SHOULD be given discounts to attractions all over the country too in my opinion. They put thier lives on the line just like military so i agree with your point , definitely.
I think, irrespective of anyone’s party politics, it’s a damning indictment of our society today that we don’t take care of our services and emergency services personnel in general. You only have to look at the recent spate of veterans who have been left destitute, homeless, psychologically damaged and discarded by successive governments on who’s orders they fought. Sadly in this climate of “austerity” I don’t see it changing and men and women damaged by what they have endured won’t get the help that politicians should ensure they get without having to rely on charity! "Totally agree | |||
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" It's really not about choice v conscription another point folk need to remember military personnel need to have no political affiliation so they can/will follow any govt orders handed to them " Whilst the military personnel can not express political affiliation publicly they are allowed to have political views. Furthermore, and very regrettably, organisations such as Help for Hero’s and the Poppy Foundation have been exploited and seized upon by elements and organisations within society who most certainly do have political agendas, rather unsavoury agendas at that . Cases in point being the EDL and Britain’s First both of whom I find repugnant and wouldn’t touch with a giant shitty stick given that they represent the very far right ideologies that my grandfathers fought against in WWII. I also appreciate that members of the forces see and experience pretty horrific things whilst on duty but so do Firemen, Police Officers,Prison Officers, Nurses, Drs and Paramedics all of whom can and do experience PTSD! | |||
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" It's really not about choice v conscription another point folk need to remember military personnel need to have no political affiliation so they can/will follow any govt orders handed to them Whilst the military personnel can not express political affiliation publicly they are allowed to have political views. Furthermore, and very regrettably, organisations such as Help for Hero’s and the Poppy Foundation have been exploited and seized upon by elements and organisations within society who most certainly do have political agendas, rather unsavoury agendas at that . Cases in point being the EDL and Britain’s First both of whom I find repugnant and wouldn’t touch with a giant shitty stick given that they represent the very far right ideologies that my grandfathers fought against in WWII. I also appreciate that members of the forces see and experience pretty horrific things whilst on duty but so do Firemen, Police Officers,Prison Officers, Nurses, Drs and Paramedics all of whom can and do experience PTSD! " Your 2 points are very vague if im honest, your first point about military personnel having political viewpoints, almost ALL of society has a political viewpoint that does not make everyone racist or want to join the military to act upon thier political views . Most join for the experiences and education and trades they can get and use for thier futures, im only a parent of 2 military personnel and i have never heard them or any of thier friends when on camp or at functions ever heard political discriminations against other cultures or people in 12 years. You are most likely looking at a marginal part of the military. Your 2nd point about the EDL and other groups using the poppy as a symbol etc again those are minority groups and because they use a poppy symbol surely your not saying you believe that help for heros and the Royal British Legion charities are supporting the EDL or worse still , funding them. You are welcome to have your opinions and reasons bud but with sweeping statements like those dont sit well . While i disagree with your point completely it is still an opinion so no worries . | |||
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"Help for heros or rspca. ? Your met with both leaving a shopping centre which tin is more likely to be used and why. ?" SSPCA | |||
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"Help for Heros. I was on Princes Street in Edinburgh, and on one edge of the pavement was a beggar with the usual sad looking dog, and on the other edge was a Veteran Soldier in a wheelchair with a collection tin. Beggar wasn't getting much change that day." What’s to say the beggar wasn’t a veteran? Go watch ‘homeless at christmas’, documentary by jamie English on homelessness in Glasgow, on YouTube and see if you still feel the same at the end of it. I shared a similar view, especially about homeless people with pets. There’s a reason. | |||
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" It's really not about choice v conscription another point folk need to remember military personnel need to have no political affiliation so they can/will follow any govt orders handed to them Whilst the military personnel can not express political affiliation publicly they are allowed to have political views. Furthermore, and very regrettably, organisations such as Help for Hero’s and the Poppy Foundation have been exploited and seized upon by elements and organisations within society who most certainly do have political agendas, rather unsavoury agendas at that . Cases in point being the EDL and Britain’s First both of whom I find repugnant and wouldn’t touch with a giant shitty stick given that they represent the very far right ideologies that my grandfathers fought against in WWII. I also appreciate that members of the forces see and experience pretty horrific things whilst on duty but so do Firemen, Police Officers,Prison Officers, Nurses, Drs and Paramedics all of whom can and do experience PTSD! Your 2 points are very vague if im honest, your first point about military personnel having political viewpoints, almost ALL of society has a political viewpoint that does not make everyone racist or want to join the military to act upon thier political views . Most join for the experiences and education and trades they can get and use for thier futures, im only a parent of 2 military personnel and i have never heard them or any of thier friends when on camp or at functions ever heard political discriminations against other cultures or people in 12 years. You are most likely looking at a marginal part of the military. Your 2nd point about the EDL and other groups using the poppy as a symbol etc again those are minority groups and because they use a poppy symbol surely your not saying you believe that help for heros and the Royal British Legion charities are supporting the EDL or worse still , funding them. You are welcome to have your opinions and reasons bud but with sweeping statements like those dont sit well . While i disagree with your point completely it is still an opinion so no worries . "I was responding to the broad sweeping statement that military personnel need to “have no political affiliation” which as you have also pointed out is a fallacy. No I wasn’t suggesting that either the Royal British Legion or Help for Hero’s is in any way connected to or condone either the EDL or Britain’s First. However both organisations (EDL and Britain’s First) have and no doubt will continue to hijack both charities for their own warped agenda. As I have previously stated I have no agenda against military personnel but by the same token I have no more or less compassion and empathy for them than I do with other services who I believe deliver societally vital services and who are neglected, underfunded and are in crisis as we speak. | |||
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"I didn't think this thread would take the turn it has, I genuinely thought one would be picked one of them, heros or rspca. If me, I would have picked the Scottish rspca but that's just me. Me personally with any charity I'm always sceptical how much really goes towards it. My brother is a schizophrenic so I have given and helped with those related charities in the past. I have given free time in elderly homes when my mother was alive. Some cancer ones I've helped and donated but yeah I'm always sceptical "I know you like your threads to stay on topic bud but for me i think good debates and discussions should be allowed and encouraged to go down other routes and i more than welcome it, thats how we got to know more about Max,s feeling on her charity phoning her, its all good. But just different preferences, it doesnt make one way better than the other. As for your charity views giving your time i would say is way more important than a few coins in a tin but every little helps as they say. | |||
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" It's really not about choice v conscription another point folk need to remember military personnel need to have no political affiliation so they can/will follow any govt orders handed to them Whilst the military personnel can not express political affiliation publicly they are allowed to have political views. Furthermore, and very regrettably, organisations such as Help for Hero’s and the Poppy Foundation have been exploited and seized upon by elements and organisations within society who most certainly do have political agendas, rather unsavoury agendas at that . Cases in point being the EDL and Britain’s First both of whom I find repugnant and wouldn’t touch with a giant shitty stick given that they represent the very far right ideologies that my grandfathers fought against in WWII. I also appreciate that members of the forces see and experience pretty horrific things whilst on duty but so do Firemen, Police Officers,Prison Officers, Nurses, Drs and Paramedics all of whom can and do experience PTSD! Your 2 points are very vague if im honest, your first point about military personnel having political viewpoints, almost ALL of society has a political viewpoint that does not make everyone racist or want to join the military to act upon thier political views . Most join for the experiences and education and trades they can get and use for thier futures, im only a parent of 2 military personnel and i have never heard them or any of thier friends when on camp or at functions ever heard political discriminations against other cultures or people in 12 years. You are most likely looking at a marginal part of the military. Your 2nd point about the EDL and other groups using the poppy as a symbol etc again those are minority groups and because they use a poppy symbol surely your not saying you believe that help for heros and the Royal British Legion charities are supporting the EDL or worse still , funding them. You are welcome to have your opinions and reasons bud but with sweeping statements like those dont sit well . While i disagree with your point completely it is still an opinion so no worries .
I was responding to the broad sweeping statement that military personnel need to “have no political affiliation” which as you have also pointed out is a fallacy. No I wasn’t suggesting that either the Royal British Legion or Help for Hero’s is in any way connected to or condone either the EDL or Britain’s First. However both organisations (EDL and Britain’s First) have and no doubt will continue to hijack both charities for their own warped agenda. As I have previously stated I have no agenda against military personnel but by the same token I have no more or less compassion and empathy for them than I do with other services who I believe deliver societally vital services and who are neglected, underfunded and are in crisis as we speak. "I fully agree nhs and emergency staff are no less important than military personnel. | |||
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