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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre

Watched the news tonight the subject of p1 kids having to take a simple touch screen test to gauge their ability. Some parents are against it because it might stress the children. I think the snowflake, mollycoddling of kids is going too far nowadays and kids are growing up far too soft and not ready for the big bad world.

All other opinions welcomed.

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By *ugs and JunkCouple
over a year ago

Bellshill

I don’t have any kids so maybe not qualified to input but I don’t see any harm in it. Most kids use iPads etc at home so it wouldn’t be that alien to them

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can’t remember taking formal tests of this nature in Primary One so not really a fan of it. Completely agree with you that kids nowadays are a bunch of mollycoddled little bams with a grossly over inflated sense of entitlement though. Just an opinion.

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

Yes i agree. At primary i had a long walk each day to school. Nowadays to the same school from where i lived the kids get a free school bus. I also worked as a waitress in the golf club at age 15. Usually around 25hrs per week after school and at weekends. This is not allowed today. Its no wonder alot kids are little fatties.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

Kids are mollycoddled. This culture of walking them to school when I used to walk to school myself in all weathers. Kids will see the test as a game. They have to realise when they grow up that life isn’t a game.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Yes i agree. At primary i had a long walk each day to school. Nowadays to the same school from where i lived the kids get a free school bus. I also worked as a waitress in the golf club at age 15. Usually around 25hrs per week after school and at weekends. This is not allowed today. Its no wonder alot kids are little fatties."

Are kids not allowed to work now , paperruns or shops now ? I never knew that.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Yes i agree. At primary i had a long walk each day to school. Nowadays to the same school from where i lived the kids get a free school bus. I also worked as a waitress in the golf club at age 15. Usually around 25hrs per week after school and at weekends. This is not allowed today. Its no wonder alot kids are little fatties.

Are kids not allowed to work now , paperruns or shops now ? I never knew that."

I done loads when I was 13 to 16

Paper rounds, milk delivery. Fruit n veg vans , remember them lol. I also worked as an operator on the tcups at m&d's when they had their original tiny wee shows on the other side of the road in Strathclyde park. Wish I knew back then how big they would have become.

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By *aisyDandyCouple
over a year ago

Dundee

Does this not all stem from the claim. blame and health & safety culture we have now?

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Does this not all stem from the claim. blame and health & safety culture we have now? "

What part daisy ?

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By *aisyDandyCouple
over a year ago

Dundee

The kids not allowed to do part time jobs, schools close when first snow flake falls and not safe to run school buses etc, Dandy

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By *pinCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Watched the news tonight the subject of p1 kids having to take a simple touch screen test to gauge their ability. Some parents are against it because it might stress the children. I think the snowflake, mollycoddling of kids is going too far nowadays and kids are growing up far too soft and not ready for the big bad world.

All other opinions welcomed. "

Stress, that’s mollycoddling but P1 shouldn’t have tests they should be taught how to learn and get an interest in the world. Testing them is to meet targets and pushes them down a tick the box life where they can’t figure something out if it isn’t in a script.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"The kids not allowed to do part time jobs, schools close when first snow flake falls and not safe to run school buses etc, Dandy"

Ahh right, yes definitely agree with that. They do close schools far too easy now. If it's unsafe fair dos but as you say it's the first flakes and their panicking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Stress, that’s mollycoddling but P1 shouldn’t have tests they should be taught how to learn and get an interest in the world. Testing them is to meet targets and pushes them down a tick the box life where they can’t figure something out if it isn’t in a script. "

Is it to meet targets though when its p1 or is it so you know what level each kid is at off the bat and who in the class might need more attention?

I guess a report from nursery about each child might work the same but then even though the place is free for pre schoolers all kids are not obliged to attend

I know primary school teachers and sadly not all parents put the same effort in with their kids so there is a wide range of where kids can be at starting school

When i was young i vaguely remember you had “progress checks” at your gp to see you were coming along at the right speed before school ... surely this is just the same but with technology moved along

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The volume of cars on the road now is hardly comparable to what it would have been in the 70's or 80's and I would even argue that there are more tits driving on th roads than in previous years ( sadly I couldn't find any statistics regarding said tit drivers). So I'll continue to drive for walk my wee bams to school for the time being

Don't have an issue with the tests though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*drive or walk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes i agree. At primary i had a long walk each day to school. Nowadays to the same school from where i lived the kids get a free school bus. I also worked as a waitress in the golf club at age 15. Usually around 25hrs per week after school and at weekends. This is not allowed today. Its no wonder alot kids are little fatties."

There's a lot of fatties your generation also who are now adults and who would have gone through what you went through. Didn't have any bearing on how they turned out.

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By *ickygirl41Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Watched the news tonight the subject of p1 kids having to take a simple touch screen test to gauge their ability. Some parents are against it because it might stress the children. I think the snowflake, mollycoddling of kids is going too far nowadays and kids are growing up far too soft and not ready for the big bad world.

All other opinions welcomed. "

The best education system in Europe doesn't test kids at all until secondary school. They don't have uniforms and formal education doesn't start until 7.

Tests are pointless. Drop them all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm dead against all this testing. I've seen men who failed miserably at school,go on to become captains of huge container ships and cruise ships, chief engineers also. Too many children are written off as idiots due to testing, when in actual fact they were more than likely just bored and not stimulated enough to care about the subject.

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By *ringles0510Woman
over a year ago

Central Borders


"I'm dead against all this testing. I've seen men who failed miserably at school,go on to become captains of huge container ships and cruise ships, chief engineers also. Too many children are written off as idiots due to testing, when in actual fact they were more than likely just bored and not stimulated enough to care about the subject. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn’t do very well at school.. but it was the environment and structure of the teaching that didn’t stimulate me... I now own a business and love reading and watching documentaries...

‘If you judge a fish by its ability to climb trees, it would live its whole life believing it was stupid’

You just have to find what interests the kids and let them become who they are going to be surely?

Just my thoughts of course....

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By *awty MaxWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Too many children are written off as idiots due to testing, when in actual fact they were more than likely just bored and not stimulated enough to care about the subject. "

I agree. An even more worrying attitude when they reach high school.

I also think it all depends on what they do with the data collected from that test.

In France, you have a P1 curriculum and you are tested at the end of P1 to see if you have reach the target. Anyone below average can redo another year of P1.

And this is possible up to high school where you do not have the option you are made to redo the year.

This helps not putting pressure on kids that are a little slower than others and to give them a good base.

Not point trying to build a house with rubbish foundations.

So again, depends what they are going to use the test for. Help or pigeon hole the kids.

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By *ighland gentlemanMan
over a year ago

Ardgay

It also seems to be a political football, because it is an SNP policy it must be protested against at all times and in every manner possible.

Just for clarity, I am not an SNP supporter but do follow politics. Every big policy they have tried to introduce has seen major interference, Named Person, minimum pricing, anti sectarian at football.

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By *ermahornMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Totally against P1 testing. It’s far too young to be getting any kind of credible results from the data gathered. To think a child is “group” or assessed on how they perform over a half hour period. How do you expect a child to maintain interest for that period of time on something so boring as sitting in one place and looking at a screen. Children are intrinsically motivated to learn through play. Play based learning until the age of 7 with teachers making individual observations on each pupil is all that is needed.

I’ve not even begun to talk about this leading to teachers teaching to the test rather than actually engaging no children in learning and developing the skills they need for effective learning ie, communication, collaboration and reflective thinking! These test need to be abolished!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Totally against P1 testing. It’s far too young to be getting any kind of credible results from the data gathered. To think a child is “group” or assessed on how they perform over a half hour period. How do you expect a child to maintain interest for that period of time on something so boring as sitting in one place and looking at a screen. Children are intrinsically motivated to learn through play. Play based learning until the age of 7 with teachers making individual observations on each pupil is all that is needed.

I’ve not even begun to talk about this leading to teachers teaching to the test rather than actually engaging no children in learning and developing the skills they need for effective learning ie, communication, collaboration and reflective thinking! These test need to be abolished!

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

If kids are snowflakes and mollycoddled who caused it ?

Everyones gonna blame everyone else its simple its our parenting and our allowing of our govt to make the changes you gripe about.

perhaps follow the trait many allude to put up or shut up.

dont blame the kids for our wrongdoings also.

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By *ighland gentlemanMan
over a year ago

Ardgay

Children have always been assessed before and as they enter school.

Formally and informally.

This is merely a standardised test to allow for better comparison across the country and to direct resources accordingly.

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By *ermahornMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Plenty of studies into this and educationalists agree the data gathered won’t be accurate, so what’s the point doing it this way? Continual obersvatuon of the child’s development is all that’s needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally don't mind the tests at a young age, 'p1' but as long as those tests are not used at an early age to put them in academic groups n classes.

The results should just be used for national standard information.

Obviously the younger they are the more their body and brain have to develop and if tests in p1 can put a heavy strain on some children too early. If one child is high there is a possibility by p3 that child will be surpassed by some of the children who were lower in p1.

Children will have to learn to cope with tests n results and with the pressure, stress etc.. that goes with it but they should be eased into it, not having to go for lots of tests to determine what level of the class/year they fit into at p1.

I am not a teacher, far from it but I am a football coach but as the age group go through the years you see weaker boys catching up with the stronger boys in strength but you also see this in their brain capacity, taking things, in, seeing things quickly, working things out on the park, understanding instruction and working out the reasoning behind that instruction.

I only see this stuff as I don't just coach a team and stay with them through the years, I work for the development youth section so I have to work with all ages and different times I see the difference in the lads and girls easily.

I think tests for P1 is too early to put them into sections but should just be used for the national average.

Has it been announced how they will work the tests at p1/ how many tests over the year etc...?

As long as its relaxed, no pressure tests at p1 etc.. then I'm in agreement with it.

I only have that view for working in youth football for 15 odd years and being a father of two lovely kids. Obviously form experience teachers will have their views as will parents and I don't even know if there would be a divide in views i.e. parents 'for' and teachers 'against' or parents 'against' and teachers 'for'. it might just be mixed.

Anything that helps the child develop and progress is always good, that's for sure

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"If kids are snowflakes and mollycoddled who caused it ?

Everyones gonna blame everyone else its simple its our parenting and our allowing of our govt to make the changes you gripe about.

perhaps follow the trait many allude to put up or shut up.

dont blame the kids for our wrongdoings also."

Some great responses there, by the sounds of it most don't agree with the testing. But that brings it to this reply here then , are parents doing their part in giving their own kids the basics of education that they used to or are we parents blaming the schools for not doing their jobs properly. I thought the tests were to gauge what level they were at on entering school. I know a primary school teacher and she said some p1s don't even have the skills to put on their own jacket when entering school life. That's a child that has been mollycoddled and had EVERYTHING done for them. I was also on the children's panel and saw lots of extremely intelligent kids do stupid stuff because they never got stimulated enough at school. Kola is right it all starts with the parenting in my view too. Harsh to blame the government on it all though but that's politics, some good stuff some bad.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre

For your information folks.

https://standardisedassessment.gov.scot/

This should answer some of the questions above. Maybe change some minds for or even more against.

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By *ermahornMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The test is solely for literacy and numeracy. The fear or worry is that teachers will focus too much on these and narrow the curriculum. Standardised testing if P1 done in this way is bad! The countries with the highest child literary and numeracy rates don’t do it. Why doesn’t the government follow the model these countries use? Raising the school start age to 7 and having a kindergarten stage would be a good start!

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"The test is solely for literacy and numeracy. The fear or worry is that teachers will focus too much on these and narrow the curriculum. Standardised testing if P1 done in this way is bad! The countries with the highest child literary and numeracy rates don’t do it. Why doesn’t the government follow the model these countries use? Raising the school start age to 7 and having a kindergarten stage would be a good start! "

So would that mean staying in school till they are 18 ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Watched the news tonight the subject of p1 kids having to take a simple touch screen test to gauge their ability. Some parents are against it because it might stress the children. I think the snowflake, mollycoddling of kids is going too far nowadays and kids are growing up far too soft and not ready for the big bad world.

All other opinions welcomed.

Stress, that’s mollycoddling but P1 shouldn’t have tests they should be taught how to learn and get an interest in the world. Testing them is to meet targets and pushes them down a tick the box life where they can’t figure something out if it isn’t in a script. "

I’d say it’s more to identify areas that the children could require additional support. Certainly what I’ve found with my own and it’s been welcomed. She’s now leaps and bounds to where she was and back on track for her age. Most shouldn’t even realise there’s a test taking place, as I understand it.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Watched the news tonight the subject of p1 kids having to take a simple touch screen test to gauge their ability. Some parents are against it because it might stress the children. I think the snowflake, mollycoddling of kids is going too far nowadays and kids are growing up far too soft and not ready for the big bad world.

All other opinions welcomed.

Stress, that’s mollycoddling but P1 shouldn’t have tests they should be taught how to learn and get an interest in the world. Testing them is to meet targets and pushes them down a tick the box life where they can’t figure something out if it isn’t in a script.

I’d say it’s more to identify areas that the children could require additional support. Certainly what I’ve found with my own and it’s been welcomed. She’s now leaps and bounds to where she was and back on track for her age. Most shouldn’t even realise there’s a test taking place, as I understand it. "

That's good she's back on track.

I think other parents feared the extra attention given to bring her back on track would maybe be to the detriment of other kids though. That probably wasnt the case but the fear of it happening will be real.That could be another sideline for this thread , class sizes or not enough teachers and classroom assistants.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Watched the news tonight the subject of p1 kids having to take a simple touch screen test to gauge their ability. Some parents are against it because it might stress the children. I think the snowflake, mollycoddling of kids is going too far nowadays and kids are growing up far too soft and not ready for the big bad world.

All other opinions welcomed.

Stress, that’s mollycoddling but P1 shouldn’t have tests they should be taught how to learn and get an interest in the world. Testing them is to meet targets and pushes them down a tick the box life where they can’t figure something out if it isn’t in a script.

I’d say it’s more to identify areas that the children could require additional support. Certainly what I’ve found with my own and it’s been welcomed. She’s now leaps and bounds to where she was and back on track for her age. Most shouldn’t even realise there’s a test taking place, as I understand it.

That's good she's back on track.

I think other parents feared the extra attention given to bring her back on track would maybe be to the detriment of other kids though. That probably wasnt the case but the fear of it happening will be real.That could be another sideline for this thread , class sizes or not enough teachers and classroom assistants. "

Additional support is given out of the main classroom with learning support teachers so doesn’t detract from other pupils. In our case at least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a brilliant idea. Especially if it helps find out where each individual child is and helps them.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre

Definitely people for and against these tests, be nice to hear some views from teachers or educational backgrounds. What they think of them .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Definitely people for and against these tests, be nice to hear some views from teachers or educational backgrounds. What they think of them ."

I doubt teachers would want to declare their job on this forum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My children have been opted out of all standardised tests. Teachers have the skills to monitor and report on kids progress without need for these.

Whole schools have opted out as the tests themselves are not written at age appropriate levels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Folk on this forum will probably have a good moan about this but I don't care haha

Kids these days are absolutely 100% mollycoddled they would rather/are encouraged to stay inside playing on games consoles and eating shit food expanding their already excessive waistbands by enabling parents who shove iPads (the closest most of them will ever get to an Apple) in front of their faces in an attempt to distract their attention from, invariably, behaving like complete terrors.

The last thing that should be happening is schools starting to encourage the same behaviour during school time as well. Yes teaching among other things has to move with the times but I believe this to be moving towards a lazier style of teaching which will ultimately affect the end product. This end product being well educated and well rounded your adults who are ready to flow into the workplace, pull their weight and be an effective asset.

At this rate, all we are going to end up with is a massive swathe of unemployed yardies who think it's more trendy to stab each other* and earn their money from the sale of illegal drugs and shit rap mix tapes than to earn it from being an upstanding member of society with an honest job

*see south London youth stabbing incident either today or yesterday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Totally against P1 testing. It’s far too young to be getting any kind of credible results from the data gathered. To think a child is “group” or assessed on how they perform over a half hour period. How do you expect a child to maintain interest for that period of time on something so boring as sitting in one place and looking at a screen. Children are intrinsically motivated to learn through play. Play based learning until the age of 7 with teachers making individual observations on each pupil is all that is needed.

I’ve not even begun to talk about this leading to teachers teaching to the test rather than actually engaging no children in learning and developing the skills they need for effective learning ie, communication, collaboration and reflective thinking! These test need to be abolished!

"

This is what my kids school have introduced, it’s fab!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The schools and teachers aren’t given the results, kids Teacher told me.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Definitely people for and against these tests, be nice to hear some views from teachers or educational backgrounds. What they think of them .

I doubt teachers would want to declare their job on this forum "

That's true but saying an educational background does not mean a teacher, it could mean lots of different things. Which is why I put that get out clause into my post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Definitely people for and against these tests, be nice to hear some views from teachers or educational backgrounds. What they think of them .

I doubt teachers would want to declare their job on this forum

That's true but saying an educational background does not mean a teacher, it could mean lots of different things. Which is why I put that get out clause into my post. "

Do you mean folk that have been to school?

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"Definitely people for and against these tests, be nice to hear some views from teachers or educational backgrounds. What they think of them .

I doubt teachers would want to declare their job on this forum

That's true but saying an educational background does not mean a teacher, it could mean lots of different things. Which is why I put that get out clause into my post.

Do you mean folk that have been to school?"

That would be 99.9% of the over 5s population then would it not ?. I see where this is going though. If you don't know what other educational backgrounds there are I suggest looking them up on Google , will help you see my point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My own, now adult sons could be said to have been part of this Molly coddling generation that a few are talking about however I'm happy with how they've turned out. They've got positive and negative traits, neither is a lardy couch potato , they both play sport and thankfully are both employed.

You only want the best for them at the end of the day and I'd say their generation aren't as bad as us older numpties often make out.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"My own, now adult sons could be said to have been part of this Molly coddling generation that a few are talking about however I'm happy with how they've turned out. They've got positive and negative traits, neither is a lardy couch potato , they both play sport and thankfully are both employed.

You only want the best for them at the end of the day and I'd say their generation aren't as bad as us older numpties often make out."

I think your mixing up good parental care with mollycoddling. Your pretty much ages with me and yes they got it easy at times but I bet they got a kick up the erse when required too. If you hadn't they would have turned out different , I'm sure. And speak for yourself , us older numpties. Lol

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By *onmacMan
over a year ago

glasgow

Well instead of complaining what are we going to do about it? We are happy to hand our kids over to others each day do we have to abide by their rules. Or take a decent interest in bringing them up and try to change what we disagree with?

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By *ermahornMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

No you just replace nursery and p1 and maybe p2 with the kindergarten stage. It doesn’t push back p1, just replaces it. There is no place for rote teacher led learning in the early years.

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By *ighland gentlemanMan
over a year ago

Ardgay


"No you just replace nursery and p1 and maybe p2 with the kindergarten stage. It doesn’t push back p1, just replaces it. There is no place for rote teacher led learning in the early years. "

Have you been in the junior years of a primary school recently?

There is no rote teaching anymore, the early years concentration is on learning through play.

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By *e Devil OP   Man
over a year ago

Blantyre


"The schools and teachers aren’t given the results, kids Teacher told me."

Asked a friend who is a primary school teacher. She said the headteacher gets the results of the tests and individual scores. She said most ht's will pass on results to staff but not compulsory for them to do so. She also said teachers are the same as us , some for them and some against the tests. What she said about the test was it dosnt reflect the curriculum with some weird questions. P1 sits it with the teacher 1 to 1 with touch screen. P4 and p7 sit it as a class on individual screens which dosnt give an accurate assessment as the results won't tell if they guessed lots of answers or actually knew the answer. High scores could be down to luck as opposed clever kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thanks. Either way mine are now opted out any further standardised tests. Esp as one has dyslexia and no allowances or extra time is made. How to set a kid up to fail!

As I said I’m confident that teachers are more than capable of tracking progress and i object to kids taking tests age 5.

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