FabSwingers.com forum: festival deaths

By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

while it is both tragic and horrific for a parent to lose ones children under any circumstance..is it right to show sympathy to such deaths when illegal substances were illegally consumed ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes...it is right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes of course it is. What an absurd question

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"Yes of course it is. What an absurd question

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why is it an absurb question ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes of course it is. What an absurd question

why is it an absurb question ??

Why wouldn't you be sympathetic to the family of someone who's died....surely the circumstances of the death are irrelevant

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"Yes of course it is. What an absurd question

why is it an absurb question ??

Why wouldn't you be sympathetic to the family of someone who's died....surely the circumstances of the death are irrelevant "
to clarify my post my question was directed at deaths under the circumstance not to the family

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"while it is both tragic and horrific for a parent to lose ones children under any circumstance..is it right to show sympathy to such deaths when illegal substances were illegally consumed ??"
Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do .

If it was one of your own would you say they deserved all they got for trying drugs in the first place?

I dont think you would nor would you shun the sympathy you would revieve .

Everyone makes mistakes sadly some pay a very high price

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

Recieve*

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"while it is both tragic and horrific for a parent to lose ones children under any circumstance..is it right to show sympathy to such deaths when illegal substances were illegally consumed ??Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do .

If it was one of your own would you say they deserved all they got for trying drugs in the first place?

I dont think you would nor would you shun the sympathy you would revieve .

Everyone makes mistakes sadly some pay a very high price

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I have disowned my own down to their drug use

and no im afraid as sad as it would be I would not show sympathy or condone ..

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"while it is both tragic and horrific for a parent to lose ones children under any circumstance..is it right to show sympathy to such deaths when illegal substances were illegally consumed ??Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do .

If it was one of your own would you say they deserved all they got for trying drugs in the first place?

I dont think you would nor would you shun the sympathy you would revieve .

Everyone makes mistakes sadly some pay a very high price

I have disowned my own down to their drug use

and no im afraid as sad as it would be I would not show sympathy or condone .. "
well your very rare...dont think I could ever stop loving any of my kids over an adiction and not show some kind of sympathy for the situation they are in but I do realise it must be a hard position to be in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"while it is both tragic and horrific for a parent to lose ones children under any circumstance..is it right to show sympathy to such deaths when illegal substances were illegally consumed ??Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do .

If it was one of your own would you say they deserved all they got for trying drugs in the first place? WOW

I dont think you would nor would you shun the sympathy you would revieve .

Everyone makes mistakes sadly some pay a very high price

I have disowned my own down to their drug use

and no im afraid as sad as it would be I would not show sympathy or condone .. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"while it is both tragic and horrific for a parent to lose ones children under any circumstance..is it right to show sympathy to such deaths when illegal substances were illegally consumed ??Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do .

If it was one of your own would you say they deserved all they got for trying drugs in the first place? WOW I have drug abusers in my family and I haven't once given up on them and they have pulled through people go through dark times and God willing there's people who are there to help them I'm glad I'm one of them

I dont think you would nor would you shun the sympathy you would revieve .

Everyone makes mistakes sadly some pay a very high price

I have disowned my own down to their drug use

and no im afraid as sad as it would be I would not show sympathy or condone .. "

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

as per usual peeps are taking post out of context and making it a personnel issue .. my question and point is why show sympathy towards people dying thru an illegal act ?? does it help ?? if the question offends then im sorry , but without such questions being asked no matter how offensive then we be as well not having laws ……..my sympathy goes out to the family not to those that have died .

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By *esparate danMan
over a year ago

glasgow

Its clear you have some very personal reasons for your point of view. Everyone here is projecting their own feelings into a situation where we dont know the people involved but you must be aware how controversial your hard line approach sounds to most people here?

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"as per usual peeps are taking post out of context and making it a personnel issue .. my question and point is why show sympathy towards people dying thru an illegal act ?? does it help ?? if the question offends then im sorry , but without such questions being asked no matter how offensive then we be as well not having laws ……..my sympathy goes out to the family not to those that have died ."
no one is making anything personal

Im answering you comments

My sympathy goes to everyone involved the person whos died, Family & friends alike

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"Its clear you have some very personal reasons for your point of view. Everyone here is projecting their own feelings into a situation where we dont know the people involved but you must be aware how controversial your hard line approach sounds to most people here?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes- I find this very difficult to comprehend, why you would want others thoughts on it ?

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

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controversial most likely.. but without such questions solutions are not found..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am of the opinion we have all done daft things. I have never been into any drugs but I did do some silly things when it came to drink. I once tried to down a pint of whisky haha. Needless to say I failed. So they made a mistake. To not feel sorry for them because they did something wrong in some folks eyes is a bit harsh. Too many of us forget we were young and once. When someone dies of lung cancer due to smoking tobacco do we say well it’s their own fault? No, so what makes a kids death to partying and experimenting any different? Regardless of anyone’s opinions on drug use, a young kid has lost her life so of course you feel sort for them.

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

jeezo …… my point is are we to be sympathetic to those that fall on such misfortune thru committing an illegal act ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

controversial most likely.. but without such questions solutions are not found.."

The only solution to this though is the decriminalization of all recreational substances but going by your posts I'm pretty sure that's not a solution you'd be agreeable to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

controversial most likely.. but without such questions solutions are not found.."

You don’t seem to be solution focused ? Again I can’t comprehend your reason for posting.. based on your answers ..

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"Yes- I find this very difficult to comprehend, why you would want others thoughts on it ?"
as its headline news across the country shouldn't opinions be sought or questions asked ?? no matter how hard the subject matter ?? or do we bury our heads in the sand ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same as cancer victims who smoked?

Do you tar those with that same brush?

Any death is horrific for someone's family

Iv been affected by a family member who died of a drug overdose.

Did we as a family turn our heads and say good riddance to that junkie? Hell no..just like alcohol drugs is an addiction and to say you should have no sympathy is a terrible way to live

Wee bit of compation if not for those who died but for those family affected with a tragic loss .

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

controversial most likely.. but without such questions solutions are not found..

You don’t seem to be solution focused ? Again I can’t comprehend your reason for posting.. based on your answers .."
solution ?? its illegal to sell or consume illegal substances... education ?? ….

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"Same as cancer victims who smoked?

Do you tar those with that same brush?

Any death is horrific for someone's family

Iv been affected by a family member who died of a drug overdose.

Did we as a family turn our heads and say good riddance to that junkie? Hell no..just like alcohol drugs is an addiction and to say you should have no sympathy is a terrible way to live

Wee bit of compation if not for those who died but for those family affected with a tragic loss ."
smoking and drinking are not illegal .. drug use is …

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"Same as cancer victims who smoked?

Do you tar those with that same brush?

Any death is horrific for someone's family

Iv been affected by a family member who died of a drug overdose.

Did we as a family turn our heads and say good riddance to that junkie? Hell no..just like alcohol drugs is an addiction and to say you should have no sympathy is a terrible way to live

Wee bit of compation if not for those who died but for those family affected with a tragic loss . smoking and drinking are not illegal .. drug use is … "
so this is more to do with the illegal act than the actual cause of the persons passing ?

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

"jeezo …… my point is are we to be sympathetic to those that fall on such misfortune thru committing an illegal act ..."

I’d certainly be less sympathetic. I’ve never done illegal drugs and don’t have much sympathy for those who do. My ex had an uncle who drank himself to death so even alcohol can kill. He’d been given help but ignored it. Addicts will rarely change.

My only concern at festivals and concerts is that people don’t know what they are taking and in the heat if the moment may be more inclined to take something that’s given to them.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

It's sad that someone's feels they need to use drugs . To loose their life due to it is tragic .

Lots of complicated reasons some folks hit this downward spiral that id never know . So yes I'd have empathy for them and even more for those they left behind .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Same as cancer victims who smoked?

Do you tar those with that same brush?

Any death is horrific for someone's family

Iv been affected by a family member who died of a drug overdose.

Did we as a family turn our heads and say good riddance to that junkie? Hell no..just like alcohol drugs is an addiction and to say you should have no sympathy is a terrible way to live

Wee bit of compation if not for those who died but for those family affected with a tragic loss . smoking and drinking are not illegal .. drug use is … "
no...nut it can cause death and is self inflicted? So what's the difference?

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"Same as cancer victims who smoked?

Do you tar those with that same brush?

Any death is horrific for someone's family

Iv been affected by a family member who died of a drug overdose.

Did we as a family turn our heads and say good riddance to that junkie? Hell no..just like alcohol drugs is an addiction and to say you should have no sympathy is a terrible way to live

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"jeezo …… my point is are we to be sympathetic to those that fall on such misfortune thru committing an illegal act ..."

Because we are human and not robots . People dont choose how they feel .

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"Same as cancer victims who smoked?

Do you tar those with that same brush?

Any death is horrific for someone's family

Iv been affected by a family member who died of a drug overdose.

Did we as a family turn our heads and say good riddance to that junkie? Hell no..just like alcohol drugs is an addiction and to say you should have no sympathy is a terrible way to live

Wee bit of compation if not for those who died but for those family affected with a tragic loss . smoking and drinking are not illegal .. drug use is … so this is more to do with the illegal act than the actual cause of the persons passing ? of course it is … "
well I think the post could have been titled differently without the reference to the festival death but thats just my own opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So sad hope nothing like that happens at Transmit Festival next month in Glasgow

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"Same as cancer victims who smoked?

Do you tar those with that same brush?

Any death is horrific for someone's family

Iv been affected by a family member who died of a drug overdose.

Did we as a family turn our heads and say good riddance to that junkie? Hell no..just like alcohol drugs is an addiction and to say you should have no sympathy is a terrible way to live

Wee bit of compation if not for those who died but for those family affected with a tragic loss . smoking and drinking are not illegal .. drug use is … so this is more to do with the illegal act than the actual cause of the persons passing ? of course it is … well I think the post could have been titled differently without the reference to the festival death but thats just my own opinion

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"festival deaths" headline news all over the country … accurate title . like I have said such an emotive issue sad world we live in

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do .

That isn't true, not all youngsters do what you say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at it from another angle: If the relative stole a car, crashed it it and killed themselves and innocent bystanders, would you feel sympathetic?

(Playing Devil's Advocate here)

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Definitely feel sympathy.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Look at it from another angle: If the relative stole a car, crashed it it and killed themselves and innocent bystanders, would you feel sympathetic?

(Playing Devil's Advocate here)"

It is a bit like the man killed while robbing an old couples house in the middle of the night, some people will think well you shouldn't have been robbing someone so you took your chances. A bit like this, they took their chances.

I have also seen what addiction does to families so I don't think anyone can say what you would do if a family member had an addiction.

Having said that, I feel for the families involved but I can understand what the OP is getting at, the sympathy for the people who died would not be as strong as if it was an accident etc

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do .

That isn't true, not all youngsters do what you say"
I didnt say ALL youngsters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The comparisons to robbing house's and crashing cars in response to the question are just ridiculous. Anyone who passes away through addiction...or in this case experimenting with recreational drugs of course deserves every sympathy. We all make bad choices at some stage of our lifes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Op what is your solution to the problem?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do .

That isn't true, not all youngsters do what you sayI didnt say ALL youngsters "

No, you said "Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do " Which was why I said your comment isn't true.

Not all youngsters are "always experimenting"

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"The comparisons to robbing house's and crashing cars in response to the question are just ridiculous. Anyone who passes away through addiction...or in this case experimenting with recreational drugs of course deserves every sympathy. We all make bad choices at some stage of our lifes. "

Some better than others. Whatever your choices, sometimes there are consequences to go with them, it isn't ridiculous to point that out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never mind the sun is oot. And pop master is on so it’s time to skive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Op what is your solution to the problem?"

Batted breath for this answer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Damn skive time over. Have fun everyone and play nice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What an utterly ridiculous point of view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m sympathetic towards individuals who have felt that something in their lives have hurt or broken them so much they have felt the need to turn to illegal drugs to find solace or acceptance, to those who experiment just because they can and have no demons they want to hide from but just purely think they are superior and better than everyone else in the sense they don’t care about the consequences and assume they are stronger than addiction then no I do t have much sympathy as a generation now we very much understand the risks, although personally I hate alcohol way way more than drugs if I’m honest and think there’s a much bigger problem where alcohol is concerned, my opinions on alcohol never go down well lol

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do .

That isn't true, not all youngsters do what you sayI didnt say ALL youngsters

No, you said "Young people are always experimenting either with drugs or alcohol its quite a natural thing to do " Which was why I said your comment isn't true.

Not all youngsters are "always experimenting""
I dont know any that havent tried something in thier young lifes

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By *entleman Caller GlasgowMan
over a year ago

Bellshill

I always extend my sympathies to someone who has lost their life, no matter their age or the tragic circumstances in which they passed away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"while it is both tragic and horrific for a parent to lose ones children under any circumstance..is it right to show sympathy to such deaths when illegal substances were illegally consumed ??"

While I have never taken any recreational drugs in my life, ever, but I have lost many friends due to drugs over my lifespan, you have to say, yes there is sympathy for the family and the youths who lost their life.

The young kids who lost their life's, we do not know if they were regular users and experienced, of first time user or cohersed into taking them or forced or even peer pressure. Youths will always experiment and theres nothing wrong with that for me as long as they know what they are doing and what they are taking. The drugs they tried might have been a bad batch.

I will always have sympathy for the family and the youths who died and just wished they knew better and not tired them.

My thoughts are with them and their families

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"Op what is your solution to the problem?

Batted breath for this answer "
education to a certain level obviously has little or no effect to many . decriminalisation of certain drugs would in certain circumstances have an effect , the problem is that people always want more or something better … its a problem that unfortunately will never disappear regardless of "supposed" solutions .

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By *over-manMan
over a year ago

motherwell

Mac a fee are you on the glue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Op what is your solution to the problem?

Batted breath for this answer education to a certain level obviously has little or no effect to many . decriminalisation of certain drugs would in certain circumstances have an effect , the problem is that people always want more or something better … its a problem that unfortunately will never disappear regardless of "supposed" solutions . "

I think the best solution is decriminalization of all recreational substances. Get them regulated so there's no more 'bad batches' that will kill kids who maybe just maybe be experimenting with drugs for the first time

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By *oney4uCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Festival deaths are rarely junkies. Just unlucky enough to have had a bad reaction to whatever they have taken. If you knew someone who’s child who’d died no matter what the circumstances were you’d be inhuman not to feel sympathy surely? Or at least be empathetic toward the parents since they had just lost their child?

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By *ab and funCouple
over a year ago

FIFE

I don’t think you interested in anyone else’s opinion to be honest, only your own. But no shock there!!!

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"Festival deaths are rarely junkies. Just unlucky enough to have had a bad reaction to whatever they have taken. If you knew someone who’s child who’d died no matter what the circumstances were you’d be inhuman not to feel sympathy surely? Or at least be empathetic toward the parents since they had just lost their child?"
as stated earlier I have every sympathy for the parents …..

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"I don’t think you interested in anyone else’s opinion to be honest, only your own. But no shock there!!!"
I have an opinion the same as every one else, but nothing wrong with asking difficult questions or provoking debate on such an emotive issue especially if ones opinions can be challenged or changed ……. healthy debate isn't a bad thing no matter the subject.

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By *igguy4youMan
over a year ago

Stockton-on-Tees

"while it is both tragic and horrific for a parent to lose ones children under any circumstance..is it right to show sympathy to such deaths when illegal substances were illegally consumed ??"

Whilst it's not really something I partake in, it is something that is very common in these sorts of things (A lot more so than parents would think).

It must be a horrible thing to hear as a parent both deviated at what has happened and also disappointed that they took the drugs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This, like lots of arguments can go on for ever... drugs are illegal here. They are not in some other countries. Same with driving laws, same with drinks laws. The law is there to guide us for the overall good of any given society. I would suggest the law is always a work in progress (such as illustrated by the current change Ireland is trying to make re abortion). Moral law is a bit more personal and down to upbringing, country , society and so on. For me the issue here is being "human" as Vi and Dan and some others are trying to point out. That means having some kind of empathy for your fellow man who is worse off than you for whatever reason. We don't know the reasons humans do some of the "daft" things they do... however they do, they just do. Thank goodness there are those out there that see deeper, think outside the box and DO something - not just postulate

Not judging anyone's comments btw... everyone is entitled to their (wrong) opinion!

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Sympathy is for someones loss it has nothing to do with the circumstance

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"Sympathy is for someones loss it has nothing to do with the circumstance"
in the vast majority of cases this is true , but to say circumstance is never a factor is simply not true ..

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

As an example

a guy continuallty uses drugs until he kills himself I feel sympathy for his family losing their son to suicide I feel sympathy for the god awful position the guy got into.

I feel sympathy for those having to clean up the after effects of the tragedy.

Im sure you have wrong doings in your past should folk have no sympathy for you when you pop your clogs cause you fiddled you tax return in 2009 (an illegal act)

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"As an example

a guy continuallty uses drugs until he kills himself I feel sympathy for his family losing their son to suicide I feel sympathy for the god awful position the guy got into.

I feel sympathy for those having to clean up the after effects of the tragedy.

Im sure you have wrong doings in your past should folk have no sympathy for you when you pop your clogs cause you fiddled you tax return in 2009 (an illegal act)"
I may be hard nosed and hard hearted but im open minded enough to discuss such issues .. it just shows that moral standards and values are individual virtues and thank god not a party line ….debate and discussion is the way forward as without it we are fooked .

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"As an example

a guy continuallty uses drugs until he kills himself I feel sympathy for his family losing their son to suicide I feel sympathy for the god awful position the guy got into.

I feel sympathy for those having to clean up the after effects of the tragedy.

Im sure you have wrong doings in your past should folk have no sympathy for you when you pop your clogs cause you fiddled you tax return in 2009 (an illegal act) I may be hard nosed and hard hearted but im open minded enough to discuss such issues .. it just shows that moral standards and values are individual virtues and thank god not a party line ….debate and discussion is the way forward as without it we are fooked ."
im hard hearted and hard nosed so nothing to ashamed of there.

my point was sympathy has nothing to do with the circumstance but thats from my perspective.

yup a discord with folk helps to highlight diffrent perspectives a healthy debate and discussion helps to either change perspective or reaffirm your position as right for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As an example

a guy continuallty uses drugs until he kills himself I feel sympathy for his family losing their son to suicide I feel sympathy for the god awful position the guy got into.

I feel sympathy for those having to clean up the after effects of the tragedy.

Im sure you have wrong doings in your past should folk have no sympathy for you when you pop your clogs cause you fiddled you tax return in 2009 (an illegal act) I may be hard nosed and hard hearted but im open minded enough to discuss such issues .. it just shows that moral standards and values are individual virtues and thank god not a party line ….debate and discussion is the way forward as without it we are fooked .im hard hearted and hard nosed so nothing to ashamed of there.

my point was sympathy has nothing to do with the circumstance but thats from my perspective.

yup a discord with folk helps to highlight diffrent perspectives a healthy debate and discussion helps to either change perspective or reaffirm your position as right for you

I'm with Kola on a lot here but earlier you implied the law is the law and therefore no empathy or understanding came into it (apologies if I have read that wrong). For the most part the law would agree though even it can take the fact that humans are fallible into consideration and show leniency. I think that's all some other folk are saying...

I think in almost (note I said ALMOST) any given tragic situation such as the one mentioned, there could be ONE that has a set of circumstances you understand, or at least empathise with.

Debate should definitely stretch your understanding and either enlighten or strengthen your view... i.e agreeing to differ

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over a year ago

dundee

"As an example

a guy continuallty uses drugs until he kills himself I feel sympathy for his family losing their son to suicide I feel sympathy for the god awful position the guy got into.

I feel sympathy for those having to clean up the after effects of the tragedy.

Im sure you have wrong doings in your past should folk have no sympathy for you when you pop your clogs cause you fiddled you tax return in 2009 (an illegal act) I may be hard nosed and hard hearted but im open minded enough to discuss such issues .. it just shows that moral standards and values are individual virtues and thank god not a party line ….debate and discussion is the way forward as without it we are fooked .im hard hearted and hard nosed so nothing to ashamed of there.

my point was sympathy has nothing to do with the circumstance but thats from my perspective.

yup a discord with folk helps to highlight diffrent perspectives a healthy debate and discussion helps to either change perspective or reaffirm your position as right for you

I think in almost (note I said ALMOST) any given tragic situation such as the one mentioned, there could be ONE that has a set of circumstances you understand, or at least empathise with.

Debate should definitely stretch your understanding and either enlighten or strengthen your view... i.e agreeing to differ

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I will always agree to differ given a reasoned argument otherwise why ask the question ??

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

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I have great sympathy with the family of these two . . But. . . none whatsoever for them . . They are stupid enough to use substances they deserve what results from it. . . . No sympathy at all for drug users or drug dealers especially when they are caught at the borders of other countries. . Death sentence or not

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over a year ago

Let's hope nobody's kid ever makes a foolish choice eh

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over a year ago

dundee

"Let's hope nobody's kid ever makes a foolish choice eh"
"kids/children" can be forgiven, the victims here were adults who knew the risks involved.

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over a year ago

Given the amount of stupid things I did when I was young, I absolutely feel sympathy for everyone involved. They were only 18 and 20, doing something I’ll-advised, but which plenty of ‘nice’ people have and they lost their lives. That’s utterly tragic to me

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over a year ago

"Let's hope nobody's kid ever makes a foolish choice eh "kids/children" can be forgiven, the victims here were adults who knew the risks involved."

What age were they?

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over a year ago

dundee

"Let's hope nobody's kid ever makes a foolish choice eh "kids/children" can be forgiven, the victims here were adults who knew the risks involved.

What age were they?"
18 and 20 ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm out on this one...I'll stick with threads where I can be a sarcastic bastard

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By *ac a fee OP Couple
over a year ago

dundee

"I'm out on this one...I'll stick with threads where I can be a sarcastic bastard"

lol

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over a year ago

I see on the news someone has been charged in connection with the deaths

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over a year ago

dundee

"I see on the news someone has been charged in connection with the deaths

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over a year ago

Do you have children? I suspect not

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over a year ago

"Let's hope nobody's kid ever makes a foolish choice eh "kids/children" can be forgiven, the victims here were adults who knew the risks involved."

That's harsh OP. I imagine I'd be getting locked in the cupboard under the stairs if I was your kid and I didn't finish my veg.

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over a year ago

dundee

Do you have children? I suspect not "

yes I do … why would you think I didn't ??

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over a year ago

there seems to be some pretty sick attitudes to the death of an 18 year old girl and 20 year boy ... quite a disgusting lack of compassion really

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over a year ago

dundee

"Let's hope nobody's kid ever makes a foolish choice eh "kids/children" can be forgiven, the victims here were adults who knew the risks involved.

That's harsh OP. I imagine I'd be getting locked in the cupboard under the stairs if I was your kid and I didn't finish my veg. "

in what way is the above statement harsh ??

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over a year ago

Do you have children? I suspect not

yes I do … why would you think I didn't ??"

So you'd feel the same if it wad your own children? No sympathy for them only for yourself?

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over a year ago

dundee

Do you have children? I suspect not

yes I do … why would you think I didn't ??

So you'd feel the same if it wad your own children? No sympathy for them only for yourself?"

as I have stated I have every sympathy with the parents ..

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over a year ago

dundee

"there seems to be some pretty sick attitudes to the death of an 18 year old girl and 20 year boy ... quite a disgusting lack of compassion really

sick attitude ? lack of compassion ?? you obviously misunderstand the nature of the post ….

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"Let's hope nobody's kid ever makes a foolish choice eh "kids/children" can be forgiven, the victims here were adults who knew the risks involved.

That's harsh OP. I imagine I'd be getting locked in the cupboard under the stairs if I was your kid and I didn't finish my veg.

in what way is the above statement harsh ??"

18 & 20....perhaps legally considered adults but as others have said it's still pretty young in terms of life experience and making the best judgement call. You asked a question and most folk are disagreeing with you. But you're entitled to your opinion. And I'm allowed to think it's harsh.

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Do you have children? I suspect not

yes I do … why would you think I didn't ??

So you'd feel the same if it wad your own children? No sympathy for them only for yourself?

as I have stated I have every sympathy with the parents .."

Yes but you're avoiding the real question... would you feel the same if it was your own kids that lost their lives through wreckless or experamental behaviour? Its a yes or no answer so go ahead

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"there seems to be some pretty sick attitudes to the death of an 18 year old girl and 20 year boy ... quite a disgusting lack of compassion really

sick attitude ? lack of compassion ?? you obviously misunderstand the nature of the post ….

i clearly don't ... it's an utterly repugnant and abhorrent display of inhumanity

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over a year ago

I feel for their parents completely and the victims, they were looking for an experience while they were young and got caught out. It could have been whitewater rafting, cliff diving, bungee jumping whatever. Young people take risks to have experiences, we all do it, if the government ended the Prohibition on drugs there would have been completely safe, legal, monitored substances available just like there is with alcohol (yep still a drug).

Condolences x

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over a year ago

dundee

Do you have children? I suspect not

yes I do … why would you think I didn't ??

So you'd feel the same if it wad your own children? No sympathy for them only for yourself?

as I have stated I have every sympathy with the parents ..

Yes but you're avoiding the real question... would you feel the same if it was your own kids that lost their lives through wreckless or experamental behaviour? Its a yes or no answer so go ahead "

yes

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"Let's hope nobody's kid ever makes a foolish choice eh "kids/children" can be forgiven, the victims here were adults who knew the risks involved.

That's harsh OP. I imagine I'd be getting locked in the cupboard under the stairs if I was your kid and I didn't finish my veg.

in what way is the above statement harsh ??

To actually answer your question, yes I think it's right to show sympathy. It's a waste of two young lives. Two people who had poor judgement on one particular day and made a daft decision.

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Do you have children? I suspect not

yes I do … why would you think I didn't ??

So you'd feel the same if it wad your own children? No sympathy for them only for yourself?

as I have stated I have every sympathy with the parents ..

Yes but you're avoiding the real question... would you feel the same if it was your own kids that lost their lives through wreckless or experamental behaviour? Its a yes or no answer so go ahead

yes

Then you seriously need psychiatric help. End of

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over a year ago

dundee

"Let's hope nobody's kid ever makes a foolish choice eh "kids/children" can be forgiven, the victims here were adults who knew the risks involved.

That's harsh OP. I imagine I'd be getting locked in the cupboard under the stairs if I was your kid and I didn't finish my veg.

in what way is the above statement harsh ??

To actually answer your question, yes I think it's right to show sympathy. It's a waste of two young lives. Two people who had poor judgement on one particular day and made a daft decision."

yes I agree a waste of 2 lives ..

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"As an example

a guy continuallty uses drugs until he kills himself I feel sympathy for his family losing their son to suicide I feel sympathy for the god awful position the guy got into.

I feel sympathy for those having to clean up the after effects of the tragedy.

Im sure you have wrong doings in your past should folk have no sympathy for you when you pop your clogs cause you fiddled you tax return in 2009 (an illegal act) I may be hard nosed and hard hearted but im open minded enough to discuss such issues .. it just shows that moral standards and values are individual virtues and thank god not a party line ….debate and discussion is the way forward as without it we are fooked .im hard hearted and hard nosed so nothing to ashamed of there.

my point was sympathy has nothing to do with the circumstance but thats from my perspective.

yup a discord with folk helps to highlight diffrent perspectives a healthy debate and discussion helps to either change perspective or reaffirm your position as right for you

I think in almost (note I said ALMOST) any given tragic situation such as the one mentioned, there could be ONE that has a set of circumstances you understand, or at least empathise with.

Debate should definitely stretch your understanding and either enlighten or strengthen your view... i.e agreeing to differ

I will always agree to differ given a reasoned argument otherwise why ask the question ??"

I’m finding your logic and comments rather confusing but maybe it’s just me. To quote you earlier -

“I have disowned my own down to their drug use

and no im afraid as sad as it would be I would not show sympathy or condone ..”

Yet you say you are open to debate. The two young “adults” are adults by a whisker and most of us would look back at ourselves at that age and very much see how immature we were even though the law says we adults. Becoming wise does not happen overnight it happens with time and experience. That means making mistakes... often our biggest learning curves come from hard experience... you SOUND like you don’t have much empathy for that. Apologies if I’ve picked that up wrongly

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over a year ago

dundee

Do you have children? I suspect not

yes I do … why would you think I didn't ??

So you'd feel the same if it wad your own children? No sympathy for them only for yourself?

as I have stated I have every sympathy with the parents ..

Yes but you're avoiding the real question... would you feel the same if it was your own kids that lost their lives through wreckless or experamental behaviour? Its a yes or no answer so go ahead

yes

Then you seriously need psychiatric help. End of"

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over a year ago

Do you have children? I suspect not

yes I do … why would you think I didn't ??

So you'd feel the same if it wad your own children? No sympathy for them only for yourself?

as I have stated I have every sympathy with the parents ..

Yes but you're avoiding the real question... would you feel the same if it was your own kids that lost their lives through wreckless or experamental behaviour? Its a yes or no answer so go ahead

yes

Then you seriously need psychiatric help. End of

Rolling the eyes why? Youre saying if your own children died in this way you'd have no sympathy for them as plain as the light of day... absolutely ridiculous and the original post along with just about every one of your replies defending it are utter mince.

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over a year ago

dundee

"As an example

a guy continuallty uses drugs until he kills himself I feel sympathy for his family losing their son to suicide I feel sympathy for the god awful position the guy got into.

I feel sympathy for those having to clean up the after effects of the tragedy.

Im sure you have wrong doings in your past should folk have no sympathy for you when you pop your clogs cause you fiddled you tax return in 2009 (an illegal act) I may be hard nosed and hard hearted but im open minded enough to discuss such issues .. it just shows that moral standards and values are individual virtues and thank god not a party line ….debate and discussion is the way forward as without it we are fooked .im hard hearted and hard nosed so nothing to ashamed of there.

my point was sympathy has nothing to do with the circumstance but thats from my perspective.

yup a discord with folk helps to highlight diffrent perspectives a healthy debate and discussion helps to either change perspective or reaffirm your position as right for you

I think in almost (note I said ALMOST) any given tragic situation such as the one mentioned, there could be ONE that has a set of circumstances you understand, or at least empathise with.

Debate should definitely stretch your understanding and either enlighten or strengthen your view... i.e agreeing to differ

I will always agree to differ given a reasoned argument otherwise why ask the question ??

I’m finding your logic and comments rather confusing but maybe it’s just me. To quote you earlier -

“I have disowned my own down to their drug use

and no im afraid as sad as it would be I would not show sympathy or condone ..”

the basis for my question was that they not only knowingly paid for an illegal substance they then injested an illegal substance without even knowing exactly what it was with no regard of the consequences ..sympathy surely has a line?