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By *hav02 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow/London

Was reading into Roman lifestyle recently after a conversation. It seems, homosexuality/bisexuality didn't exist... Men could fuck whoever they wanted, but the role of sexual dominance was a sign of seniority. Women were also "bisexual".

Roman films/TV shows depict this (Tiberius fucked Caesar to demonstrate his domination ). Even the Emperor would ask male servants to give him a bj.

I thought was an interesting culture back then. Any thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank Darwin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not strictly true. Men did have sex with other man and it wasn't seen as a problem provided you weren't in a passive role. If you were being penetrated then you were seen as effeminate and lacking virtue. Virtue being a big thing to the Romans.

Woman were known to have encounters were other women, but it wasn't looked upon greatly in either role. Women were largely production lines in producing children (ideally men) so that the empire could flourish.

Of course that is just what the goal on paper was but yeah sexuality was pretty rampant and morals were lose until Caesar Augustus decided it was too much a detriment to the empire and virtues of Rome. He tried to bring some homely balance back but was pretty unsuccessful, his own daughter Julia was pretty easy going. Then he banished her...

They were pioneers in cross dressing. Julius Caesar lived as a woman for a year, largely in hiding. Tiberius was known to dress as a woman.

Pliny has a story about Messalina sneaking off to brothers while Claudius slept. The story goes she challenged one of the prostitutes to a sex marathon to see who could have more in 24 hours.

Wild times indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doggy came to prominence by cleopatra so she didn’t have to look at ceasar whilst getting fucked silly.

So when a guy bends you over doggy ladies...

role reversal...

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By *hav02 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow/London


"That's not strictly true. Men did have sex with other man and it wasn't seen as a problem provided you weren't in a passive role. If you were being penetrated then you were seen as effeminate and lacking virtue. Virtue being a big thing to the Romans.

Woman were known to have encounters were other women, but it wasn't looked upon greatly in either role. Women were largely production lines in producing children (ideally men) so that the empire could flourish.

Of course that is just what the goal on paper was but yeah sexuality was pretty rampant and morals were lose until Caesar Augustus decided it was too much a detriment to the empire and virtues of Rome. He tried to bring some homely balance back but was pretty unsuccessful, his own daughter Julia was pretty easy going. Then he banished her...

They were pioneers in cross dressing. Julius Caesar lived as a woman for a year, largely in hiding. Tiberius was known to dress as a woman.

Pliny has a story about Messalina sneaking off to brothers while Claudius slept. The story goes she challenged one of the prostitutes to a sex marathon to see who could have more in 24 hours.

Wild times indeed."

Lesson in history Thanks!

Crossdressing was popular...probably until women's rights movement/equal opps etc.

So did the fall of the Roman empire kill our sexual liberation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haha hardly, Ancient Rome/Greece is a specialist subject of mine. I've only really scratched the surface of it as well.

The rise of Christianity is probably one of the biggest reasons attitudes changed. In 380AD Christianity was made the official religion of the Roman Empire so it had been pretty big at that point and would be for the last decade of the empire. Then by the middle ages the Church was pretty much rule with an iron fist and punished people for whatever.

Although, the fact there was a massive Syphilis epidemic in Europe in the 16th century pretty much suggest that people were still doing whatever they wanted behind closed doors regardless of whether or not the Church would punish them.

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