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"Let the "fun" continue...." People were queueing up to slag me off on the original thread, it actually got quite abusive, but I see NOBODY has commented on my latter posts. Says it all really, when people are faced with the facts......they go all quiet!!!  | |||
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"Let the "fun" continue.... People were queueing up to slag me off on the original thread, it actually got quite abusive, but I see NOBODY has commented on my latter posts. Says it all really, when people are faced with the facts......they go all quiet!!! "I never slagged you off . In fact i never slagged anyone off. Im still waiting on facts being delivered on what other parties can do to improve scotland . Good for you for voting snp  | |||
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"Let the "fun" continue.... People were queueing up to slag me off on the original thread, it actually got quite abusive, but I see NOBODY has commented on my latter posts. Says it all really, when people are faced with the facts......they go all quiet!!! "or alternatively folk are bored of the same tedious shite | |||
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" Im still waiting on facts being delivered on what other parties can do to improve scotland . D" Me too. I've yet to see anyone offer hard evidence or facts. But then isn't that down to the fact that the parties themselves don't have any? By the way, how I vote is up to me and I've never berrated or slagged anyone for how they vote. I merely ask them to back up what they say with hard evidence in order that I can make a better informed decision when the time comes. I can only vote according to fact. Not the 'stories' from the politicians. Neither do I have a political ideology. I moved my kids to Scotland in search of a better life but now I'm not so sure Scotland will be able to deliver it in the future  | |||
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" Im still waiting on facts being delivered on what other parties can do to improve scotland . D Me too. I've yet to see anyone offer hard evidence or facts. But then isn't that down to the fact that the parties themselves don't have any? By the way, how I vote is up to me and I've never berrated or slagged anyone for how they vote. I merely ask them to back up what they say with hard evidence in order that I can make a better informed decision when the time comes. I can only vote according to fact. Not the 'stories' from the politicians. Neither do I have a political ideology. I moved my kids to Scotland in search of a better life but now I'm not so sure Scotland will be able to deliver it in the future "How anyone votes is up to each individual, no one is forcing you to vote against your wishes , same as no one will force me. I will vote for the party i see being the best for scotland. Not everyone will agree with me, same as i dont agree with others. Freedom of speech is a great thing , until it descends into chaos and abuse. Enough fighting in the world without personal attacks with others with different views and values. | |||
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" How anyone votes is up to each individual, no one is forcing you to vote against your wishes , same as no one will force me. I will vote for the party i see being the best for scotland. Not everyone will agree with me, same as i dont agree with others. Freedom of speech is a great thing , until it descends into chaos and abuse. Enough fighting in the world without personal attacks with others with different views and values." I apologise for my last post, it wasn't aimed at you after the initial bit about waiting for answers 
The rest should have been a separate post.
But I agree with you, I will defend everyone's right to vote however they see fit.
But there's no need for people to try and bad mouth others for their beliefs.
Instead, answer the questions that have been asked as honestly as you can everyone. That's called debating  | |||
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" How anyone votes is up to each individual, no one is forcing you to vote against your wishes , same as no one will force me. I will vote for the party i see being the best for scotland. Not everyone will agree with me, same as i dont agree with others. Freedom of speech is a great thing , until it descends into chaos and abuse. Enough fighting in the world without personal attacks with others with different views and values. I apologise for my last post, it wasn't aimed at you after the initial bit about waiting for answers
The rest should have been a separate post.
But I agree with you, I will defend everyone's right to vote however they see fit.
But there's no need for people to try and bad mouth others for their beliefs.
Instead, answer the questions that have been asked as honestly as you can everyone. That's called debating "Never thought for a minute it was.  | |||
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"I have always voted labour but this time I will vote Tory as a tactical vote. The SNP are a failed government masking their failures behind their independence propaganda..." Genuine question , how do you see the tory party leading scotland? What makes you think they will have better success than snp or labour ? Or if want add in lib dems and the raving looneys. I am interested in what people think they will get right that other goverments are failing at ? | |||
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"I have gave my opinion on this and i also reserve the right to vote as i wish and give my opinions In my life ive lesrned there are 2 VERY VERY VOLATILE subjects that cause major rows politics being one of then as i said previously let folk vote how they want and we will see the outcome on Friday "I agree Heather. My father always told me never to discuss politics or religion. He had his own business and neither were permitted subjects for discussion on the premises. I always knew he was right! Lol  | |||
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"I have gave my opinion on this and i also reserve the right to vote as i wish and give my opinions In my life ive lesrned there are 2 VERY VERY VOLATILE subjects that cause major rows politics being one of then as i said previously let folk vote how they want and we will see the outcome on Friday
I agree Heather. My father always told me never to discuss politics or religion. He had his own business and neither were permitted subjects for discussion on the premises. I always knew he was right! Lol "Aww Jinty weres the fun in that lol I like political discussions till it ends up a farce . Totally agree on religion, hence state of world we live in  | |||
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"I'd like to think we can all be adults about this Not everyone is going to agree The trick is when to know when to stop arguing your case and accept folks diffrent opinions No one is ever going to be right or wrong in politics " Except the politicians - they're almost always wrong | |||
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"I have always voted labour but this time I will vote Tory as a tactical vote. The SNP are a failed government masking their failures behind their independence propaganda..." | |||
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"I have always voted labour but this time I will vote Tory as a tactical vote. The SNP are a failed government masking their failures behind their independence propaganda..." a labour man voting tory in protest lol . mind there is very little between the 2 these days | |||
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"I have always voted labour but this time I will vote Tory as a tactical vote. The SNP are a failed government masking their failures behind their independence propaganda... a labour man voting tory in protest lol . mind there is very little between the 2 these days " | |||
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"Let the "fun" continue.... People were queueing up to slag me off on the original thread, it actually got quite abusive, but I see NOBODY has commented on my latter posts. Says it all really, when people are faced with the facts......they go all quiet!!!
I never slagged you off . In fact i never slagged anyone off.
Im still waiting on facts being delivered on what other parties can do to improve scotland .
Good for you for voting snp "I could start with a very obvious example that may surprise people. 1) Scrap free higher education The policy was supposed to be about improving access to higher education for those who are less well off and it's had the opposite effect with students from poorer backgrounds in England far more likely to go on to higher education thatn those in Scotland (and the gap is widening) Why is this the case? It's for 2 reasons. To fund this the SNP has cut over 50,000 college places (where less well off students tend to go) and it has cut bursaries. Less well off students rely on these bursaries whereas students from better off families can rely on the bank of mum and dad to help out. So basically they've created a policy that sounds good but when you look at the funding and the outcomes you realise it's been pretty disastrous. I should add one final thing, it could be argued it is a racist policy as well as students from every EU country qualifies for free tuition apart from those in England. Imagine this policy was the other way around and it was England who allowed this but barred Scots. We'd never hear the end of it. | |||
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"I have always voted labour but this time I will vote Tory as a tactical vote. The SNP are a failed government masking their failures behind their independence propaganda... a labour man voting tory in protest lol . mind there is very little between the 2 these days "Anyone but the SNP and Greens for me! | |||
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"Let the "fun" continue.... People were queueing up to slag me off on the original thread, it actually got quite abusive, but I see NOBODY has commented on my latter posts. Says it all really, when people are faced with the facts......they go all quiet!!!
I never slagged you off . In fact i never slagged anyone off.
Im still waiting on facts being delivered on what other parties can do to improve scotland .
Good for you for voting snp
I could start with a very obvious example that may surprise people.
1) Scrap free higher education
The policy was supposed to be about improving access to higher education for those who are less well off and it's had the opposite effect with students from poorer backgrounds in England far more likely to go on to higher education thatn those in Scotland (and the gap is widening)
Why is this the case? It's for 2 reasons. To fund this the SNP has cut over 50,000 college places (where less well off students tend to go) and it has cut bursaries. Less well off students rely on these bursaries whereas students from better off families can rely on the bank of mum and dad to help out.
So basically they've created a policy that sounds good but when you look at the funding and the outcomes you realise it's been pretty disastrous.
I should add one final thing, it could be argued it is a racist policy as well as students from every EU country qualifies for free tuition apart from those in England. Imagine this policy was the other way around and it was England who allowed this but barred Scots. We'd never hear the end of it."Finally someone who can give some examples. My son attends uni and gets a bursary which isnt great. Lives at home as couldnt afford student accomadation. Prices were ridiculous, and defo doesnt live off the bank of mum lol Can you see any of that changing for the better if a change of government ? | |||
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" Finally someone who can give some examples. My son attends uni and gets a bursary which isnt great. Lives at home as couldnt afford student accomadation. Prices were ridiculous, and defo doesnt live off the bank of mum lol Can you see any of that changing for the better if a change of government ? " Education is fully under the Scottish govt's control so we won't know till the next Scottish parliament elections. One thing we do know though is that it'll never change under the SNP as Salmond saddled them with a silly big rock saying the policy will always remain (I'm paraphrasing here). Also, the SNP promised a review of higher education but one part is off limits for the review.....free tuition fees. The thing that is actually the cause of the problem. It's like going into a house and seeing smoke and saying you'll look at every possible cause except that chip pan fire in the kitchen (do people still have chip pans? ) | |||
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"My main worries are the nhs , pensions , the cost of day to day living. What is going to be left for our kids ?" The NHS needs reformed as well as more money. I'll give another example of what I beleive should be changed in that respect. I'd scrap free prescriptions and baby boxes and use the money in places within the NHS that it's most needed. Baby boxes in particular are a waste, most people won't use them and they have no proven benefit. We're told that there's clear evidence from Finland that they are but this is because they are tied into a lot of support provided in addition to the boxes, it's the support that makes the difference not the box. The Scottish govt have refused to follow the support model used in Finland. Where should the money be used instead? Well here's some performance indicators from the Scot gov website showing areas that are getting worse: The 12 week treatment guarantee http://www.gov.scot/About/Performance/scotPerforms/NHSScotlandperformance/TTG-LDP The 18 week referral for treatment http://www.gov.scot/About/Performance/scotPerforms/NHSScotlandperformance/18WeeksRTT-LDP Psychological therapies http://www.gov.scot/About/Performance/scotPerforms/NHSScotlandperformance/PT-LDP Cancer waiting times http://www.gov.scot/About/Performance/scotPerforms/NHSScotlandperformance/CWT-LDP It's important to remember that when we get things for 'free' that money has to come from some other area. So personally I'd rather give up free prescriptions and baby boxes if I knew, for example, that all that money was being ploughed into improving performance on cancer waiting times instead. As for pensions, they've gone up a fair bit in recent years. Pensioners have come out of the recession a good bit better off while everyone else has lost out. I've no great issue with that as I hope to be a pensioner myself one day. | |||
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" Finally someone who can give some examples. My son attends uni and gets a bursary which isnt great. Lives at home as couldnt afford student accomadation. Prices were ridiculous, and defo doesnt live off the bank of mum lol Can you see any of that changing for the better if a change of government ? Education is fully under the Scottish govt's control so we won't know till the next Scottish parliament elections. One thing we do know though is that it'll never change under the SNP as Salmond saddled them with a silly big rock saying the policy will always remain (I'm paraphrasing here). Also, the SNP promised a review of higher education but one part is off limits for the review.....free tuition fees. The thing that is actually the cause of the problem. It's like going into a house and seeing smoke and saying you'll look at every possible cause except that chip pan fire in the kitchen (do people still have chip pans? )"Its all airfryers now lol | |||
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" Its all airfryers now lol" Aye we've got one. They just don't taste the same | |||
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" Finally someone who can give some examples. My son attends uni and gets a bursary which isnt great. Lives at home as couldnt afford student accomadation. Prices were ridiculous, and defo doesnt live off the bank of mum lol Can you see any of that changing for the better if a change of government ? Education is fully under the Scottish govt's control so we won't know till the next Scottish parliament elections. One thing we do know though is that it'll never change under the SNP as Salmond saddled them with a silly big rock saying the policy will always remain (I'm paraphrasing here). Also, the SNP promised a review of higher education but one part is off limits for the review.....free tuition fees. The thing that is actually the cause of the problem. It's like going into a house and seeing smoke and saying you'll look at every possible cause except that chip pan fire in the kitchen (do people still have chip pans? )
Its all airfryers now lol"Air-fryers MP's and hot air coincidence ? | |||
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" Finally someone who can give some examples. My son attends uni and gets a bursary which isnt great. Lives at home as couldnt afford student accomadation. Prices were ridiculous, and defo doesnt live off the bank of mum lol Can you see any of that changing for the better if a change of government ? Education is fully under the Scottish govt's control so we won't know till the next Scottish parliament elections. One thing we do know though is that it'll never change under the SNP as Salmond saddled them with a silly big rock saying the policy will always remain (I'm paraphrasing here). Also, the SNP promised a review of higher education but one part is off limits for the review.....free tuition fees. The thing that is actually the cause of the problem. It's like going into a house and seeing smoke and saying you'll look at every possible cause except that chip pan fire in the kitchen (do people still have chip pans? )
Its all airfryers now lol
Air-fryers MP's and hot air coincidence ? " | |||
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"My main worries are the nhs , pensions , the cost of day to day living. What is going to be left for our kids ? The NHS needs reformed as well as more money. I'll give another example of what I beleive should be changed in that respect. I'd scrap free prescriptions and baby boxes and use the money in places within the NHS that it's most needed. Baby boxes in particular are a waste, most people won't use them and they have no proven benefit. We're told that there's clear evidence from Finland that they are but this is because they are tied into a lot of support provided in addition to the boxes, it's the support that makes the difference not the box. The Scottish govt have refused to follow the support model used in Finland. Where should the money be used instead? Well here's some performance indicators from the Scot gov website showing areas that are getting worse: The 12 week treatment guarantee http://www.gov.scot/About/Performance/scotPerforms/NHSScotlandperformance/TTG-LDP The 18 week referral for treatment http://www.gov.scot/About/Performance/scotPerforms/NHSScotlandperformance/18WeeksRTT-LDP Psychological therapies http://www.gov.scot/About/Performance/scotPerforms/NHSScotlandperformance/PT-LDP Cancer waiting times http://www.gov.scot/About/Performance/scotPerforms/NHSScotlandperformance/CWT-LDP It's important to remember that when we get things for 'free' that money has to come from some other area. So personally I'd rather give up free prescriptions and baby boxes if I knew, for example, that all that money was being ploughed into improving performance on cancer waiting times instead. As for pensions, they've gone up a fair bit in recent years. Pensioners have come out of the recession a good bit better off while everyone else has lost out. I've no great issue with that as I hope to be a pensioner myself one day." Agreed. The NHS defo needs to be changed!! When I arrived here I thought it was nuts!! Free GP appointments and prescriptions and free this and free that! In France, 20-25 euros to see a Doctor (Higher level than a British GP) and 40 euros to see a Specialist. Yes it is expensive but you can go to any doctor/specialist you want, in the geographic area you want. And they are 'self-employed'. Unhappy patients means no salary at the end of the month. There are various insurances where you can get 'some' money back depending on your circumstances and yearly insurance payments. Surely a 'happy' medium could be found. Not sure people are prepared to even pay a fiver to go see their GP though! But definitely an area that need deep reshuffling from top to bottom. Sorry maybe off topic | |||
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" Agreed. The NHS defo needs to be changed!! When I arrived here I thought it was nuts!! Free GP appointments and prescriptions and free this and free that! In France, 20-25 euros to see a Doctor (Higher level than a British GP) and 40 euros to see a Specialist. Yes it is expensive but you can go to any doctor/specialist you want, in the geographic area you want. And they are 'self-employed'. Unhappy patients means no salary at the end of the month. There are various insurances where you can get 'some' money back depending on your circumstances and yearly insurance payments. Surely a 'happy' medium could be found. Not sure people are prepared to even pay a fiver to go see their GP though! But definitely an area that need deep reshuffling from top to bottom. Sorry maybe off topic "The problem is, in the UK it would be political suicide for a party to mention such things. As I see it, and I'm far from an expert here, the NHS has 3 big problems 1) It could do with bit more funding (within reason) 2) Something has to be done to discourage misuse. I mean here all the missed appointments people turning up at A&E and doctors surgeries when there's no need etc. Is charging the answer? It may help but it'll be a hard sell. I ended up in A&E a couple of years ago and there was a couple with a young lad of about 6 years old there. I heard them saying to the receptionist that he'd hurt his ankle a few weeks previously and they wanted a doctor to come and check it was okay for him to play football the following day. This was A&E on a busy Friday night! 3) The problems with social care for the elderly meaning they are having to remain in hospital longer than necessary. This requires much more funding for local authorities but unfortunately their budgets are being cut to the bone. | |||
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" Agreed. The NHS defo needs to be changed!! When I arrived here I thought it was nuts!! Free GP appointments and prescriptions and free this and free that! In France, 20-25 euros to see a Doctor (Higher level than a British GP) and 40 euros to see a Specialist. Yes it is expensive but you can go to any doctor/specialist you want, in the geographic area you want. And they are 'self-employed'. Unhappy patients means no salary at the end of the month. There are various insurances where you can get 'some' money back depending on your circumstances and yearly insurance payments. Surely a 'happy' medium could be found. Not sure people are prepared to even pay a fiver to go see their GP though! But definitely an area that need deep reshuffling from top to bottom. Sorry maybe off topic
The problem is, in the UK it would be political suicide for a party to mention such things.
As I see it, and I'm far from an expert here, the NHS has 3 big problems
1) It could do with bit more funding (within reason)
2) Something has to be done to discourage misuse. I mean here all the missed appointments people turning up at A&E and doctors surgeries when there's no need etc. Is charging the answer? It may help but it'll be a hard sell. I ended up in A&E a couple of years ago and there was a couple with a young lad of about 6 years old there. I heard them saying to the receptionist that he'd hurt his ankle a few weeks previously and they wanted a doctor to come and check it was okay for him to play football the following day. This was A&E on a busy Friday night!
3) The problems with social care for the elderly meaning they are having to remain in hospital longer than necessary. This requires much more funding for local authorities but unfortunately their budgets are being cut to the bone.
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"look at the SNPs very poor track record! they do not govern this country effectively! they use their power to grandstand for independence and have disrupted the progress of our economy! at least the other parties would get on with the real day job..." | |||
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"look at the SNPs very poor track record! they do not govern this country effectively! they use their power to grandstand for independence and have disrupted the progress of our economy! at least the other parties would get on with the real day job... " Well, I'd like to hope that they would. However, I'm sure every party has their own agenda to push | |||
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"look at the SNPs very poor track record! they do not govern this country effectively! they use their power to grandstand for independence and have disrupted the progress of our economy! at least the other parties would get on with the real day job... Well, I'd like to hope that they would. However, I'm sure every party has their own agenda to push "Every party has their agenda to push but that agenda is based on their political ideology and is usually laid out in their manifesto. The SNP however are a one issue party who don't have an ideology other than independence. It's why they do huge u-turns on issues without blinking an eye. For example, saying they'd scrap the unfair council tax and then refusing to do it (probably fearing any new system may lose them some support). Or saying they'd increase the higher rate tax level and then refusing to do it when they got the powers. Every policy is looked at on whether or not it helps idependence rather than whether it's the right thing to do. Kenny McCaskill has admitted as much previously | |||
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"look at the SNPs very poor track record! they do not govern this country effectively! they use their power to grandstand for independence and have disrupted the progress of our economy! at least the other parties would get on with the real day job... Well, I'd like to hope that they would. However, I'm sure every party has their own agenda to push
Every party has their agenda to push but that agenda is based on their political ideology and is usually laid out in their manifesto.
The SNP however are a one issue party who don't have an ideology other than independence. It's why they do huge u-turns on issues without blinking an eye. For example, saying they'd scrap the unfair council tax and then refusing to do it (probably fearing any new system may lose them some support). Or saying they'd increase the higher rate tax level and then refusing to do it when they got the powers.
Every policy is looked at on whether or not it helps idependence rather than whether it's the right thing to do. Kenny McCaskill has admitted as much previously"So going by those two actions alone...aren't they as bad as the tories?  | |||
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"look at the SNPs very poor track record! they do not govern this country effectively! they use their power to grandstand for independence and have disrupted the progress of our economy! at least the other parties would get on with the real day job... Well, I'd like to hope that they would. However, I'm sure every party has their own agenda to push
Every party has their agenda to push but that agenda is based on their political ideology and is usually laid out in their manifesto.
The SNP however are a one issue party who don't have an ideology other than independence. It's why they do huge u-turns on issues without blinking an eye. For example, saying they'd scrap the unfair council tax and then refusing to do it (probably fearing any new system may lose them some support). Or saying they'd increase the higher rate tax level and then refusing to do it when they got the powers.
Every policy is looked at on whether or not it helps idependence rather than whether it's the right thing to do. Kenny McCaskill has admitted as much previously"So if that is the case why are some press saying lil cranky will ditch the Indy 2 if the other crazy lady in charge will let Scotland stay part of the eu? | |||
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" So if that is the case why are some press saying lil cranky will ditch the Indy 2 if the other crazy lady in charge will let Scotland stay part of the eu? " Because as everyone knows, and this should be really obvious and not need explaining, it's impossible for Scotland to stay part of the EU while the rest of the UK is out. So there's no chance at all of indy2 being ditched. | |||
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" So if that is the case why are some press saying lil cranky will ditch the Indy 2 if the other crazy lady in charge will let Scotland stay part of the eu? Because as everyone knows, and this should be really obvious and not need explaining, it's impossible for Scotland to stay part of the EU while the rest of the UK is out. So there's no chance at all of indy2 being ditched." I know this but many others don't! Too many people looking at that hypnotic box that lights up the corner of the room and believe it! No one is a winner here! No one! | |||
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"look at the SNPs very poor track record! they do not govern this country effectively! they use their power to grandstand for independence and have disrupted the progress of our economy! at least the other parties would get on with the real day job... Well, I'd like to hope that they would. However, I'm sure every party has their own agenda to push
Every party has their agenda to push but that agenda is based on their political ideology and is usually laid out in their manifesto.
The SNP however are a one issue party who don't have an ideology other than independence. It's why they do huge u-turns on issues without blinking an eye. For example, saying they'd scrap the unfair council tax and then refusing to do it (probably fearing any new system may lose them some support). Or saying they'd increase the higher rate tax level and then refusing to do it when they got the powers.
Every policy is looked at on whether or not it helps idependence rather than whether it's the right thing to do. Kenny McCaskill has admitted as much previously
So going by those two actions alone...aren't they as bad as the tories? "Well they did vote with the Tories on the 2nd one Which is hugely ironic as Sturgeon was clear in the leaders debates prior to the election about increasing it.
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"look at the SNPs very poor track record! they do not govern this country effectively! they use their power to grandstand for independence and have disrupted the progress of our economy! at least the other parties would get on with the real day job... Well, I'd like to hope that they would. However, I'm sure every party has their own agenda to push
Every party has their agenda to push but that agenda is based on their political ideology and is usually laid out in their manifesto.
The SNP however are a one issue party who don't have an ideology other than independence. It's why they do huge u-turns on issues without blinking an eye. For example, saying they'd scrap the unfair council tax and then refusing to do it (probably fearing any new system may lose them some support). Or saying they'd increase the higher rate tax level and then refusing to do it when they got the powers.
Every policy is looked at on whether or not it helps idependence rather than whether it's the right thing to do. Kenny McCaskill has admitted as much previously
So going by those two actions alone...aren't they as bad as the tories? "A BIG yes!! | |||
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"Actually find it quite amusing that people are asking for hard evidence and facts when not a single one of you has them or can get access to them! Even more so since we were tricked into eu! That was an act of high treason at common law! " I believe that Ted Heath was the biggest conman that ever walked the streets of Britain. And instead of being fetted latterly as 'father of the House', he should have been hung, drawn, and quartered!!   | |||
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" So if that is the case why are some press saying lil cranky will ditch the Indy 2 if the other crazy lady in charge will let Scotland stay part of the eu? Because as everyone knows, and this should be really obvious and not need explaining, it's impossible for Scotland to stay part of the EU while the rest of the UK is out. So there's no chance at all of indy2 being ditched." Ok so you do know Sturgeon has no legal grounds to hold an Indy 2? Section 30 of the Scotland act pretty much states it, the quislings at Westminster granted a temporary solution and let Sturgeon hold Indy 1! The main word being temporary! The only way around this would be to dissolve and go udi | |||
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"Actually find it quite amusing that people are asking for hard evidence and facts when not a single one of you has them or can get access to them! Even more so since we were tricked into eu! That was an act of high treason at common law! I believe that Ted Heath was the biggest conman that ever walked the streets of Britain. And instead of being fetted latterly as 'father of the House', he should have been hung, drawn, and quartered!! "Yes he should be rotting in jail! As should a majority of the mp' s north and south of the border! Since 1911 we have our ancient rights taken away from us all! Birth certificate is a fraud to get you to comply to the new language created by the federal banks called legalize! There is a massive difference between legal and lawful! Hell i ditched my law degree when I researched stuff and found out law is not taught in our schools and universities only legal!! Then started researching the likes of the bill of rights, settlement act and magna Carta! Last year I signed an oath to the barons of the lands which grants me by law to distress the crown and all agents until we get due process! All allegiance to the crown and government are gone! I live by common law and not legal law now! | |||
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"Actually find it quite amusing that people are asking for hard evidence and facts when not a single one of you has them or can get access to them! Even more so since we were tricked into eu! That was an act of high treason at common law I believe that Ted Heath was the biggest conman that ever walked the streets of Britain. And instead of being fetted latterly as 'father of the House', he should have been hung, drawn, and quartered!!
Yes he should be rotting in jail! As should a majority of the mp' s north and south of the border! Since 1911 we have our ancient rights taken away from us all! Birth certificate is a fraud to get you to comply to the new language created by the federal banks called legalize! There is a massive difference between legal and lawful! Hell i ditched my law degree when I researched stuff and found out law is not taught in our schools and universities only legal!! Then started researching the likes of the bill of rights, settlement act and magna Carta! Last year I signed an oath to the barons of the lands which grants me by law to distress the crown and all agents until we get due process! All allegiance to the crown and government are gone! I live by common law and not legal law now! "saying lil cranky says it all about you | |||
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"Actually find it quite amusing that people are asking for hard evidence and facts when not a single one of you has them or can get access to them! Even more so since we were tricked into eu! That was an act of high treason at common law I believe that Ted Heath was the biggest conman that ever walked the streets of Britain. And instead of being fetted latterly as 'father of the House', he should have been hung, drawn, and quartered!!
Yes he should be rotting in jail! As should a majority of the mp' s north and south of the border! Since 1911 we have our ancient rights taken away from us all! Birth certificate is a fraud to get you to comply to the new language created by the federal banks called legalize! There is a massive difference between legal and lawful! Hell i ditched my law degree when I researched stuff and found out law is not taught in our schools and universities only legal!! Then started researching the likes of the bill of rights, settlement act and magna Carta! Last year I signed an oath to the barons of the lands which grants me by law to distress the crown and all agents until we get due process! All allegiance to the crown and government are gone! I live by common law and not legal law now! saying lil cranky says it all about you "Sorry what do you mean? | |||
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"Actually find it quite amusing that people are asking for hard evidence and facts when not a single one of you has them or can get access to them! Even more so since we were tricked into eu! That was an act of high treason at common law I believe that Ted Heath was the biggest conman that ever walked the streets of Britain. And instead of being fetted latterly as 'father of the House', he should have been hung, drawn, and quartered!!
Yes he should be rotting in jail! As should a majority of the mp' s north and south of the border! Since 1911 we have our ancient rights taken away from us all! Birth certificate is a fraud to get you to comply to the new language created by the federal banks called legalize! There is a massive difference between legal and lawful! Hell i ditched my law degree when I researched stuff and found out law is not taught in our schools and universities only legal!! Then started researching the likes of the bill of rights, settlement act and magna Carta! Last year I signed an oath to the barons of the lands which grants me by law to distress the crown and all agents until we get due process! All allegiance to the crown and government are gone! I live by common law and not legal law now! saying lil cranky says it all about you
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"most wont get the concept of what you refer too. The law of the common or living man is not something that folk grasp easy. Have you renounced all forms of ownership? If not your still agreeing to the system. | |||
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"There's more substance in this thread than Mark 1, which is good. I personally don't think political debate is a great topic here since for every 'fact', there's a contradictory one, especially with finances (particularly anything from GERS), as there is for opinions. I live out of the country now so won't be voting and don't have an idea who I'd vote for anyway. I find politics here interesting and depressing in equal measure. When that balance dips to the latter, I'll use my dual nationality and return to Canada. " There is nothing contradictory with Gers. There is the occasional crank and pro indy site trying to discredit them but everyone with any knowledge on the matter, including the SNP, have said they are correct, or to quote the SNP themselves 'they are the definitive figures on Scotland's finances' | |||
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"Actually find it quite amusing that people are asking for hard evidence and facts when not a single one of you has them or can get access to them! Even more so since we were tricked into eu! That was an act of high treason at common law I believe that Ted Heath was the biggest conman that ever walked the streets of Britain. And instead of being fetted latterly as 'father of the House', he should have been hung, drawn, and quartered!!
Yes he should be rotting in jail! As should a majority of the mp' s north and south of the border! Since 1911 we have our ancient rights taken away from us all! Birth certificate is a fraud to get you to comply to the new language created by the federal banks called legalize! There is a massive difference between legal and lawful! Hell i ditched my law degree when I researched stuff and found out law is not taught in our schools and universities only legal!! Then started researching the likes of the bill of rights, settlement act and magna Carta! Last year I signed an oath to the barons of the lands which grants me by law to distress the crown and all agents until we get due process! All allegiance to the crown and government are gone! I live by common law and not legal law now! saying lil cranky says it all about you
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most wont get the concept of what you refer too. The law of the common or living man is not something that folk grasp easy. Have you renounced all forms of ownership? If not your still agreeing to the system. "I'm not a freeman that only works to a certain extent, yes I am under oath to the barrons, so all allegiance to crown and agents is no more | |||
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"Let the "fun" continue.... People were queueing up to slag me off on the original thread, it actually got quite abusive, but I see NOBODY has commented on my latter posts. Says it all really, when people are faced with the facts......they go all quiet!!! "You're not surprised by this are you? People are all Google "experts" but actually full of complete shit. | |||
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