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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

you cross the N. Korean border illegally, you get 12 yrs. hard labor. If you cross the Afghanistan border illegally, you get shot. If you cross the U.K. border ILLEGALLY you get a job, a driver's license, food stamps, a place to live, health care, housing & child benefits, education, & tax free business for 7 yrs. No wonder we are a country in debt.

Is it just me that thinks like this ?

Buboo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

an the government say there is no problem letting them in

ok wont say that if they blow up the parliament

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i agree bubs.. mr has been unemployed for a year now and has only just managed to get a part time job 10 hours a week... we get no benefits whatsoever cos he has a pension from SERVING HIS COUNTRY for 25 years... makes me mad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what happen to expenses scandal

with so many mps claiming for an they have all seam to got away with it

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By *adcowWoman
over a year ago

kirkcaldy

"an the government say there is no problem letting them in

ok wont say that if they blow up the parliament "

we'd prob give out a medal if they succeeded where guy fawkes failed

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"i agree bubs.. mr has been unemployed for a year now and has only just managed to get a part time job 10 hours a week... we get no benefits whatsoever cos he has a pension from SERVING HIS COUNTRY for 25 years... makes me mad"

Surely a pension from the NHS is a benefit, no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you cross the N. Korean border illegally, you get 12 yrs. hard labor. If you cross the Afghanistan border illegally, you get shot. If you cross the U.K. border ILLEGALLY you get a job, a driver's license, food stamps, a place to live, health care, housing & child benefits, education, & tax free business for 7 yrs. No wonder we are a country in debt.

Is it just me that thinks like this ?

Buboo "

It may just be you.

Nobody who is here ILLEGALLY, as you shout it, gets anything - except maybe emergency NHS treatment.

Anyone here illegally is obliged to remain below the radar or risk being deported. You get nothing official. There's just no mechanism for it.

That's not to say that their compatriots who are here legally don't assist them in some ways but that's a long way from getting a council house from the council.

You might disagree about who we should allow in LEGALLY (my shouty this time) but that's another matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"an the government say there is no problem letting them in

ok wont say that if they blow up the parliament

we'd prob give out a medal if they succeeded where guy fawkes failed"

From the Angles to the Jutes Saxons Normans this country gene pool is descended from Europe Africa and the then Far East.

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By *edd50Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen/Dundee

Totally agree with what aasex says, I was unemployed for a while recently and couldnt get a cent as I have my forces pension. Woodered why I bothered serving all the years I was in. Finally managed to get a job but had to fight of incoming workers to get it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah everyone should go back to where they came from! ha ha don't know about you but I'm pretty certain none of my family grew up out the dirt in the UK

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It annoys the hell out of me when we have entrants into the UK demanding asylum.

The rules on seeking asylum state that you must seek refuge in the nearest country available.... Instead they cross a whole continent, travelling thru many other EU countries just to get to the UK...and then claim persecution in their own land!

Hence the debacle at Callais where everyday these migrants gather,setting up camps just to grab any opportunity to jump a ship over here..... Surely this should be halted. The EU should deport these people to their homeland instad of turning a blind eye.

Yes we are made up of Celts, Anglo Saxons, Vikings and other past conquerers,our gene pool is very much mixed, but the time is long past when we should stem this flow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i say kick them all out . if they dont ask for help in the first country then they dont deserve to be here.and if anyone from another counrty breaks the law then they should also be kicked out when the minute they finish there jail term (straight to the airport and sent back to where they came from)

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"i say kick them all out . if they dont ask for help in the first country then they dont deserve to be here.and if anyone from another counrty breaks the law then they should also be kicked out when the minute they finish there jail term (straight to the airport and sent back to where they came from)"

Im afraid, thanks to the EU judiciary, the UK is now banned from returning any foriegn nationals to their own country, even after they commit a criminal offence. Anything from petty crime to murder and the UK must allow them to stay here indefinately UNLESS the UK government can guarantee the crimianals personal safety, and non persecution back in their own country!

What a load of bollocks!.The UK now no longer has an effective deportation policy thanks to the EU.....Cheers to all those "Euro" supporting politicians in Westminster for creating this situ

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

What a load of bollocks!.The UK now no longer has an effective deportation policy thanks to the EU.....Cheers to all those "Euro" supporting politicians in Westminster for creating this situ

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the EU only introduced these laws coz they know there all tring to get here and don't want us throwing them back at them so make it so we have to keep them. the EU is making this country worse why is it so hard for the goverment to see this when we the people can.

and they can only deport someone who has their passport so alot of them get rid of them before or sortly after getting here so if they get caught theres pretty much nothing the gov can do because of EU law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Maybe everyone getting on a plane (or a boat or a train or whatever) should have their nationality and passport number tattoed somewhere on their body.

That way we'd know where to send them back to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Maybe everyone getting on a plane (or a boat or a train or whatever) should have their nationality and passport number tattoed somewhere on their body.

That way we'd know where to send them back to."
i wonder who pays there return fair

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

Yeap, my dad is in the same position, was made redundant last November and because he has an army pension after serving over 30 years, he gets bugger all! Also when he was working, he was taxed twice, once on salary and again on pension, go figure!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely it isn't the fact that he HAS an Army pension but the size of it that matters

If anyone has an income over a certain level from any source it counts towards whether or not they qualify for means tested benefits. He isn't actually being penalised specifically because it's an Army pension.

Capital can affect entitlement to means tested benefits too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What I'd like to know is how my friends Algerian husband, who was an asylum seeker, manages to go back to Algeria for holidays 3-4 times a year without fear of persecution?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

quite taken aback at strength of feeling on this, some of it bordering on racism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Maybe everyone getting on a plane (or a boat or a train or whatever) should have their nationality and passport number tattoed somewhere on their body.

That way we'd know where to send them back to."

tattoing of passport numbers????? does this not bring to mind the tattooing of identity numbers on holocaust victims and aalso the prisoners and victims of the khmer rouge?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Maybe everyone getting on a plane (or a boat or a train or whatever) should have their nationality and passport number tattoed somewhere on their body.

That way we'd know where to send them back to.

tattoing of passport numbers????? does this not bring to mind the tattooing of identity numbers on holocaust victims and aalso the prisoners and victims of the khmer rouge? "

Yeah. It isn't very nice but it's not a nice world.

In my defence I'm not suggesting we do the tattoing across their foreheads or anything quite so obvious - it could be hidden away somewhere.

Most importantly, it's a lot less brutal than branding with a hot iron, so there'd be no bleating from the human rights lobby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What I'd like to know is how my friends Algerian husband, who was an asylum seeker, manages to go back to Algeria for holidays 3-4 times a year without fear of persecution? "

Have you asked her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"quite taken aback at strength of feeling on this, some of it bordering on racism. "

That's the country we live in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"quite taken aback at strength of feeling on this, some of it bordering on racism.

That's the country we live in."

yes britain, the british empire. can you imagine if in days gone past our ancestors werent allowed to cross borders n exploit foreign lands just how great would britain have become ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"quite taken aback at strength of feeling on this, some of it bordering on racism.

That's the country we live in.

yes britain, the british empire. can you imagine if in days gone past our ancestors werent allowed to cross borders n exploit foreign lands just how great would britain have become ?"

We haven't really had an Empire for a number of years and the idea about we Brits being 'allowed to allowed to cross borders n exploit foreign lands' is laughable.

Have you heard of gunboat diplomacy? If you doubt the reality - check the borders of The Gambia. They almost perfectly reflect the landmass which a canonball from a Royal Navy man of war (there's another hint in the name) could reach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so basically if what im correct in what im hearing here is, because my parents arent british i shouldnt have any right to be living where i am ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"quite taken aback at strength of feeling on this, some of it bordering on racism.

That's the country we live in.

yes britain, the british empire. can you imagine if in days gone past our ancestors werent allowed to cross borders n exploit foreign lands just how great would britain have become ?

We haven't really had an Empire for a number of years and the idea about we Brits being 'allowed to allowed to cross borders n exploit foreign lands' is laughable.

i dont have a great deal of political wherewithall but have seen plenty holiday brochours for the gambia welcoming all who have money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so basically if what im correct in what im hearing here is, because my parents arent british i shouldnt have any right to be living where i am ?"

There are those in certain political parties who'd agree with that.

Others would make exceptions for the Old Commonwealth.

Others would excuse the New Commonwealth.

Some wouldn't mind so long as you're parents are from the EC.

There are still those who'd decide on the sole basis of the colour of your skin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so ive got to justify my status of being british by my pedigree ?

i contribute to this countries state through income tax n road tax etc but because someone who is same age as me n never worked a day in their life but is british through n through by parentage well they are somehow more deserving to stay in this land ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so ive got to justify my status of being british by my pedigree ?

Not to me.

The fact remains there's plenty of people who judge their neighbours or the people in the corner shop or the local takeaway or television personalities or their elected representatives or ........ by their ethnic background and/ or the colour of their skin and will make value judgements about how well, or otherwise, they deserve to stay in the UK.

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"quite taken aback at strength of feeling on this, some of it bordering on racism. "

Its no where near racism....its fact... The racism card was always gonna be played on a subject as delicate as this.....

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"so basically if what im correct in what im hearing here is, because my parents arent british i shouldnt have any right to be living where i am ?"

Mic 45 i personally have nothing against any colour or creed staying here. What i personally do have a prob with is the mass of economic migrants gathering in Callais. coming over by whatever means and claiming political asylum, human rights etc.....If they have issues in their own countries then they should/must go the their NEAREST place of safety.....NOT travel across a whole continent just to target Britain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My ex is a Sikh, born and brought up in Huddersfield, and had to explain to my daughter, who was 12 at the time, what repatriation meant. Her response? "Does that mean you would be sent back to Huddersfield?" Out of the mouths of babes. She then went on to do a speech in English class against the BNP and the response from the kids was amazing. I have to admit until I met my ex, I hadn't a clue about how difficult it is for "incomers". And given I am from Irish descent, my own relatives wouldn't have had an easy time of it when they came to Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so basically if what im correct in what im hearing here is, because my parents arent british i shouldnt have any right to be living where i am ?

Part of the problem is that there's no incentive for the intermediate countries to try to hang onto illegals who arrive there.

It's obvious most of the illegals are intent on getting to the UK because 1) we're still quite a prosperous country and 2) what little foreign language skills the illegals have are more likely to be in English - as a result of exposure to UK and US televison and cinema, pop music, invading armies and Imperialism in general.

The intermediate countries adopt a 'keep on going' policy as it gets the migrants out of their hair and into someone else's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely a pension from the NHS is a benefit, no?"
he has a PENSION.. which he paid into and nowhere did i say it was from the nhs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i say ...we throw all non swingers an mad shaggers into the water an let the rest of us normal ppl shagg when ever an where ever we want !!!!.....infact i think am gonny stand at the next by-election wi that as ma banner ...an cj's as my campaign HQ ( well theres always a few good mp's aboot there )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good to hear the right wing folk who read the news of the world ,the sun etc get there knickers in a twist with there rascist views,I am a grandson of an Irish immigrant and Im glad this country has the decency and the humanity to help all people of all nationalities gain entry to a safe haven like the UK

This immigrants get everything is fookin bollox,try and get your news from other sources than the rascist and mainly hacking murdoch british press

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not to mention the fat cat bankers with ther multi million pension,who pay no tax,the city hedgefunds and speculators whose actions made the pound nearly worthless the billions in off shore tax free havens,the uncollected tax from which could wipe out the UK debt in a week,but hey ho blame the poor the disabled the immigrants who get 60 or so quid a week or food vouchers that will get UK limited back on its feet,

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