FabSwingers.com forum: TV/TS

By *eah OP Woman
over a year ago

full of numpties

I'm confused .... If a man has sex with a transvestite or a transsexual then would they be classed as straight or bi sexual after all the TV/TS is biologically male and the pictures I've seen on here they still have male genitals .... This isn't meant to offend anyone btw it's a genuine question as a lot of guys that have been with TV/TS have straight on their profiles x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it's what the person doing it thinks of him/herself if a man has sex with a TV/TS and considers himself straight then he's straight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if your getting sucked your straight

if your sucking your bent lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if you find a TV/TS etc. sexy and attractive,that, doesn't make you straight or bisexual. I believe people are just 'sexual'.

I know many people who think she-males are hotter than hell and they,like me, are straight.

Forget thinking labels and follow your desires and explore if that's what you want.

Remember, there are no Victorians alive today. They've gone and we now live in a multi-sexual world. And we're all different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if you find a TV/TS etc. sexy and attractive,that, doesn't make you straight or bisexual. I believe people are just 'sexual'.

I know many people who think she-males are hotter than hell and they,like me, are straight.

Forget thinking labels and follow your desires and explore if that's what you want.

Remember, there are no Victorians alive today. They've gone and we now live in a multi-sexual world. And we're all different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if you find a TV/TS etc. sexy and attractive,that, doesn't make you straight or bisexual. I believe people are just 'sexual'.

I know many people who think she-males are hotter than hell and they,like me, are straight.

Forget thinking labels and follow your desires and explore if that's what you want.

Remember, there are no Victorians alive today. They've gone and we now live in a multi-sexual world. And we're all different

Totally agree each to their own but end of the day it's still a man in a frock

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

"I think if you find a TV/TS etc. sexy and attractive,that, doesn't make you straight or bisexual. I believe people are just 'sexual'.

I know many people who think she-males are hotter than hell and they,like me, are straight.

Forget thinking labels and follow your desires and explore if that's what you want.

Remember, there are no Victorians alive today. They've gone and we now live in a multi-sexual world. And we're all different

Totally agree each to their own but end of the day it's still a man in a frock

It's a bloody expensive dress not a frock

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By *atex and KinkCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I think if you find a TV/TS etc. sexy and attractive,that, doesn't make you straight or bisexual. I believe people are just 'sexual'.

I know many people who think she-males are hotter than hell and they,like me, are straight.

Forget thinking labels and follow your desires and explore if that's what you want.

Remember, there are no Victorians alive today. They've gone and we now live in a multi-sexual world. And we're all different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if you find a TV/TS etc. sexy and attractive,that, doesn't make you straight or bisexual. I believe people are just 'sexual'.

I know many people who think she-males are hotter than hell and they,like me, are straight.

Forget thinking labels and follow your desires and explore if that's what you want.

Remember, there are no Victorians alive today. They've gone and we now live in a multi-sexual world. And we're all different

Totally agree each to their own but end of the day it's still a man in a frock

It's a bloody expensive dress not a frock

Ahh sorry yours is most expensive one ive seen!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why lable someone gay/bi/straight? You are what you are and what happens happens (especially in heat of moment) No need for labels in this day and age x

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews

I think it's not the people being labelled that needs it, but those asking. if labels make them feel better or help them to understand something, I don't mind

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By *ail_forceTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

Totally agree each to their own but end of the day it's still a man in a frock

Yawn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This conversation comes up regularly in the forums and the same old bollox about it being "just a label" is talked.

This is a swingers site. It is here to help facilitate sexual meets. I don't care whether somebody drives a car or a motorbike and I don't care whether they vote labour or SNP. Its irrelevant on fab.

An honest answer description regarding their sexual orientation is however a reasonable expectation.

Going back the "its only a label" nonsense. Clearly it is not since no person casually describes themselves as gay. That takes a lot of thought and a considerable amount of courage.

Maybe then it is just some labels that are only labels!

Some guys seem to get themselves involved in all sorts of descriptive contortions trying to avoid describing themselves as bi or gay. Again suggesting that it is more than just a label.

These labels do absolutely matter on this site. It helps establish ground rules and expectations when dealing with total strangers.

If I was selling a person a car I wouldn't give a rats crap what their sexual orientation is. Not relevant but on fab it is.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

If your having sex with someone of the same gender then your bi at the very least (curious if its your first time ) whether they have a frock on or not ..well thats my take on it.. im old fashioned that way

i know a very convincing tv and when dressed up is quite stunning but would i have sex with her/him ...No ..Why ? Because under the make up and glam its still a guy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If your having sex with someone of the same gender then your bi at the very least (curious if its your first time ) whether they have a frock on or not ..well thats my take on it.. im old fashioned that way

i know a very convincing tv and when dressed up is quite stunning but would i have sex with her/him ...No ..Why ? Because under the make up and glam its still a guy

Agreed. I have no issues with whatever turns other people on. I might not share that inclination but I am happy to live and let live.

What really irritates is the delusional fantasists who try to argue that any sexual activity between 2 guys is straight as long as one is wearing frilly knickers.

Based on the farcical logic that the one wearing the said knickers perceives himself to be a woman.

Wearing a Manchester United top does not make me Wayne Rooney.

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By *ail_forceTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

i know a very convincing tv and when dressed up is quite stunning but would i have sex with her/him ...No ..Why ? Because under the make up and glam its still a guy

difference between a gay guy and a straight guy is 5 pints.

people who feel the need to state their sexual orientation (and I get the "im not gay, but..." comment all the time) are totally into it. That's not a problem for me. People are attracted to what they are attracted to and sex is a physical pleasure thing for me... but some people need to make it into something of a social statement about how "traditional" they are or some crap.

It's just guys trying to tell the world how hetero they are or women who are attracted to that pseudo- alpha male crap.

As if that'd increase your chance of getting sex...

I've had more meets with women from this site than most guys will ever get and that's got something to do with having an actual personality and respect for the people im interested in.

Yours, cock-in-a-frock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i know a very convincing tv and when dressed up is quite stunning but would i have sex with her/him ...No ..Why ? Because under the make up and glam its still a guy

difference between a gay guy and a straight guy is 5 pints.

It's just guys trying to tell the world how hetero they are or women who are attracted to that pseudo- alpha male crap.

As if that'd increase your chance of getting sex...

I've had more meets with women from this site than most guys will ever get and that's got something to do with having an actual personality and respect for the people im interested in.

Yours, cock-in-a-frock

Well said!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally agree each to their own but end of the day it's still a man in a frock

Yawn."

True though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i know a very convincing tv and when dressed up is quite stunning but would i have sex with her/him ...No ..Why ? Because under the make up and glam its still a guy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

difference between a gay guy and a straight guy is 5 pints.

It's just guys trying to tell the world how hetero they are or women who are attracted to that pseudo- alpha male crap.

Yours, cock-in-a-frock

So by your reckoning if I don't fancy a "cock in a frock" that is because of pseudo alpha male crap?

That's your way of writing off preferences that conflict with yours.

The other point you make concerning 5 pints is equally weak.

Nobody turns gay after 5 pints or 10 pints. At best it reduces inhibitions releasing deeply repressed appetites.

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By *ougar_n_TILFCouple
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

It's obviously a very thorny subject.

Gender lines are becoming increasingly blurred as people realise that what's between your legs doesn't actually define you. Neither do the clothes you wear. I live in a nation where the national dress for men is a skirt. How often have phrases like "guy in a frock" been used with the deliberate intention of putting someone down and at the same time passive/aggressively expressing personal feelings on the subject? But no one ever uses the phrase "woman in trousers".

At the end of the day they are just clothes, take the gender stigma out of them and let's just call them clothes.

Sexuality is also moving on and the people in the middle of the sexuality spectrum seem to be the happiest. People at either end, totally hetero and totally gay are the ones who seem on the defensive about their preferences, for example, as more guys say things like "I'm straight but I suck dick occasionally" then you can understand it. Lines really are blurring and those with an absolute preference feel threatened.

But it has to be said there are quite a lot of hetero/gay people who again are passive/aggressively militant about their sexuality. I've seen profiles where the phrase "Mr/Mrs is very straight" is used. Like a big, none to subtle warning. Because some people still believe that bisexuals or anyone not staunchly straight is incapable of keeping their hands to themselves. Or in the case of men that it makes them less of a man somehow, in that they don't conform to preconceived ideas about alpha males.

There is on this site a bit of a disparity in terms of sexuality. Have a quick search through your local area and see how many couples have a straight male and Bi/bi-curious female. There's an awful lot more than straight/straight, and definitely a lot more than bi/bi curious male straight female. The split should be relatively even, statistically speaking.

So either a lot of men lie about their sexuality, a lot of women lie about their sexuality, or women are just more open to sexual experimentation. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess which, but do know there are an awful lot of straight men on here with bisexual profiles on fabguys! Just saying.

I agree that if you're swinging then yes, you do need to be able to ask what someone's sexuality is and get an honest answer. And if that sexuality is incompatible with yours then nothing is likely to happen and that should be respected. But I foresee a shift in the future where sexual fluidity becomes the norm rather than straight/bi/gay, possibly even with the creation of a StraightFab site?

Rob.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is one of the most erudite posts I have ever seen on this site.

It seems to me that some people have to have a group, or groups to point the finger at, be it straight males who like TV's, or married men on here solo.

It suggests to me, that some of the finger pointers have, possibly on a subconscious level, some guilt about what they themselves are doing here. After all, swingers are just as much fodder for "Tabloid Titillation" as cross dressers, the Transgendered, gay/bisexuals and adulterers.

We are all here for some sort of sexual need, so maybe people who live in glass houses should be looking at themselves before they start throwing stones.

What we all do through Fab is seen by the outside world as immoral, but it's not illegal. Keep condemnation for those who break the law with their sexual acts, not those legally seeking sexual pleasure between mutually consenting adults.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always get the feeling that women get a bit salty at some of the ts/tv's are some of them are more attractive as a women also have more attention on fab

And with the alpa male thing. What's more manly than fucking a man. Real men fuck men

lol

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By *vanabeusedTV/TS
over a year ago

somewhere

"I always get the feeling that women get a bit salty at some of the ts/tv's are some of them are more attractive as a women also have more attention on fab

And with the alpa male thing. What's more manly than fucking a man. Real men fuck men

lol

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By *ougar_n_TILFCouple
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"I always get the feeling that women get a bit salty at some of the ts/tv's are some of them are more attractive as a women also have more attention on fab

And with the alpa male thing. What's more manly than fucking a man. Real men fuck men

lol

I don't think that bitchiness about looks is reserved purely towards those TS/TV that conform to accepted standards of hotness, genetic women are also get bitched about for the same reason.

But then that's only because we are conditioned to see one set of attributes as attractive and others not. Most TS/TV I know have cracking legs, legs that do make some cis women envious. Trouble is that the legs is all they have. They generally have a flat bum and false boobs!

Just look deeper and see the person as a whole (not hole!), that's where true attractiveness lies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Growing up in Oz, we never labeled. I dressed as I have always done so and pulled guys that are deemed for label sake "straight", their still straight, many married now with kids. I was and have never considered myself a gay man. Just a straight woman in the wrong body. Coming to the UK I was able to start treatment to fix that problem. Now atm I like to call myself between sexes, as I do have neither a cock or a fanny, just mere means to go to the bathroom untill the op corrects it.

I think labels do help other express themselves and help others to understand though too but I have always been with straight men, who continue to see themselves as straight, and myself as a woman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I always get the feeling that women get a bit salty at some of the ts/tv's are some of them are more attractive as a women also have more attention on fab

And with the alpa male thing. What's more manly than fucking a man. Real men fuck men

lol

I don't think that bitchiness about looks is reserved purely towards those TS/TV that conform to accepted standards of hotness, genetic women are also get bitched about for the same reason.

Just look deeper and see the person as a whole (not hole!), that's where true attractiveness lies.

Cool story bro

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is that the legs is all they have. They generally have a flat bum and false boobs!

Go to Most fabbed pics, and select the TV/TS option. There are some there who can challenge that perception!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is that the legs is all they have. They generally have a flat bum and false boobs!

Go to Most fabbed pics, and select the TV/TS option. There are some there who can challenge that perception!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is that the legs is all they have. They generally have a flat bum and false boobs!

Go to Most fabbed pics, and select the TV/TS option. There are some there who can challenge that perception!

Of course if you appreciate TV's generally you will agree with that view. On the other hand if you don't they are still only blokes.

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By *ougar_n_TILFCouple
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Of course if you appreciate TV's generally you will agree with that view. On the other hand if you don't they are still only blokes."

Kind of making my passive/aggressive point for me there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be honest, there are some girls there that you would not know were TG.

I appreciate PEOPLE for who they are, not what they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is that the legs is all they have. They generally have a flat bum and false boobs!

Go to Most fabbed pics, and select the TV/TS option. There are some there who can challenge that perception!

Of course if you appreciate TV's generally you will agree with that view. On the other hand if you don't they are still only blokes."

You all know the difference between tv and ts right? There are ts's out there that you can't tell the difference between them and women

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is that the legs is all they have. They generally have a flat bum and false boobs!

Go to Most fabbed pics, and select the TV/TS option. There are some there who can challenge that perception!

Of course if you appreciate TV's generally you will agree with that view. On the other hand if you don't they are still only blokes.

You all know the difference between tv and ts right? There are ts's out there that you can't tell the difference between them and women"

You can see I am sure that I said TV's. hopefully that answers your question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is that the legs is all they have. They generally have a flat bum and false boobs!

Go to Most fabbed pics, and select the TV/TS option. There are some there who can challenge that perception!

Of course if you appreciate TV's generally you will agree with that view. On the other hand if you don't they are still only blokes.

You all know the difference between tv and ts right? There are ts's out there that you can't tell the difference between them and women

You can see I am sure that I said TV's. hopefully that answers your question."

Ah sorry I thought this post was bout transvestites and transsexuals. Didn't know your just singling out one

Anyways can be here forever discussing this. So I shall bid you all a good day

Oh and happy fabing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The post is about TV and TS as the OP has asked about from the start.

The posts have been from the Mr but I'm replying because these things grind my last nerve!

Most TV's on here put more effort into making themselves look to how they feel. They feel feminine and that's a big difference to a guy wearing his wives frilly knickers and tights. Hats off to the men who follow what they feel

I think this post answers the OP's original question. Why do straight men meet tv and ts but say they are straight....well I'll be fucked by Ben Affleck, simple good old judgement!

We all get judged from people in the non swinging world and you come on here and be judged for meeting men who like to follow their hearts.

Leave the judgement at the start of Google, sign in and enjoy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The post is about TV and TS as the OP has asked about from the start.

The posts have been from the Mr but I'm replying because these things grind my last nerve!

I think this post answers the OP's original question. Why do straight men meet tv and ts but say they are straight....well I'll be fucked by Ben Affleck, simple good old judgement!

We all get judged from people in the non swinging world and you come on here and be judged for meeting men who like to follow their hearts.

Leave the judgement at the start of Google, sign in and enjoy!"

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By *oanne_MacTV/TS
over a year ago

Perth

"I always get the feeling that women get a bit salty at some of the ts/tv's are some of them are more attractive as a women also have more attention on fab

There you go saying out loud what a few of us already know

must be hard for the poor dahlings

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By *olly Gentle GiantMan
over a year ago

Glenrothes

When it comes to sexual preference - think of a horizontal line.

Now mark tgat line with 10 notches equally spaced and number them 1 to 10.

Now write bisexuality under no 5.

Then write gay/lesion at 1 and straight at 10.

All of us sit somewhere on that scale either 100% gay/lesbian or 100% straight or somewhere in between.

And many (not all) of us move up and down that scale according to experiences.

As for TVs - whether straight or gay/lesion or bi - the same scale is relevant when it comes to sexual preference.

But I do think it has to be said TVS ate often misunderstood. Sexulity and gender are often morphed.

For some TVs it's a sexual thrill - some TVs regardless of sexual preference dress (to varying degrees) to aid sexual experience.

But equally many dress simply for the thrill of being different. Sexual matters do not come into the equation.

And others dress to be as femme as possible - makeup wig etc. It's the transformation and joy of looking convincing that is the joy.

And others dress because they have (often after painful silence for years) accepted that the need to transition and accept the inner personna and live a girlie life - some go on to have surgery and loose the boy bits and get girly bits.

In writing - I am painfully aware that some will agree and some will disagree. I respect all views in this subject - all I ask please (as I know many are) be sensitive.

There are folks struggling not only with sexuality but also gender.

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By *ripleXrateDWoman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

"It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it's what the person doing it thinks of him/herself if a man has sex with a TV/TS and considers himself straight then he's straight"

^^^^^ this. To much is put on labels. Have fun if you enjoy it do it again xxxxx

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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago

A world of my own

Why does it matter what others are doing. If their choices aren't for you just move on.

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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago

A world of my own

"When it comes to sexual preference - think of a horizontal line.