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"How can you say that Muslims are foreigners , when most of them are born here , don't they have the same right as Catholics ? To have a state funded school ? " | |||
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"Nothing against Islamic schools provided the Mosque or local community pay for it. Same as Catholic Schools why aren't they funded by the archdiocese of their faith Schools and education in General is funded by the state and is NOT a religious centre ad religion should be kept out of them PERIOD If you belong to a specific religion then your local church, chapel mosque, synagogue should have places within a curriculum to teach that religion, which if memory serves me right they ALL do. ONE Scotland, ONE Nation, MANY cultures but ONE State education system. " | |||
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"Faith specific education and political bias should have no place in Schools. These are life choices for adults and shouldn't be forced upon youngsters. If religion is to be taught, it should be, no pun intended, a broad church for all attendees. Learning about all religions equally. My school was very prebyterian and we got seperated for things like assembly and services. That's pretty divisive at an early age. That said, RE was actually one of my best subjects. I studied Islam and the faith as my main core and found it very interesting. F " I went to a non denominational school and studied Higher RE and found it very interesting. I'm not religious and agree with everything you have said here | |||
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"Whilst the debate about who should fund specific faith schools is one that I would need to think about further, I believe that religion and understanding of faith ought to be taught in schools now more than ever. We interact more with each other in this age as part of a modern multicultural society. As a tolerant, progressive country and society, young children should absolutely be taught about diversity, multiculturalism, faith and tolerance. We need to give children as much impartial and unbiased information as possible. They should never be guided toward one faith or the other. However they should be taught about this as a key piece of curriculum just as they are everything else. I wish I had the opportunity as a youngster to learn of the different religious faiths and backgrounds more than I was made aware of just at Sunday school. It would have been hugely beneficial. " schools only have limited time and resources would it not be better that these things were taught by the parents. I would rather my child knew arithmatic than why the ladies wear hijabs.sometimes folk want to cram to much into one day and you end up with nothing being clear. | |||
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"Whilst the debate about who should fund specific faith schools is one that I would need to think about further, I believe that religion and understanding of faith ought to be taught in schools now more than ever. We interact more with each other in this age as part of a modern multicultural society. As a tolerant, progressive country and society, young children should absolutely be taught about diversity, multiculturalism, faith and tolerance. We need to give children as much impartial and unbiased information as possible. They should never be guided toward one faith or the other. However they should be taught about this as a key piece of curriculum just as they are everything else. I wish I had the opportunity as a youngster to learn of the different religious faiths and backgrounds more than I was made aware of just at Sunday school. It would have been hugely beneficial. schools only have limited time and resources would it not be better that these things were taught by the parents. I would rather my child knew arithmatic than why the ladies wear hijabs.sometimes folk want to cram to much into one day and you end up with nothing being clear." I can appreciate that Kola, good point. I also appreciate that the curriculum is already packed and time is limited, I was possibly being a bit idealist. My thoughts on it stem from the fact that I was probably in to my twenties before I took on board any even slight understanding of other religions and faiths and it would have been helpful to have had some understanding at an earlier age (But like you said, that could have been addressed by myself or my parents). | |||
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"Nothing against Islamic schools provided the Mosque or local community pay for it. Same as Catholic Schools why aren't they funded by the archdiocese of their faith Schools and education in General is funded by the state and is NOT a religious centre ad religion should be kept out of them PERIOD If you belong to a specific religion then your local church, chapel mosque, synagogue should have places within a curriculum to teach that religion, which if memory serves me right they ALL do. ONE Scotland, ONE Nation, MANY cultures but ONE State education system. " Couldn't agree more. | |||
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"Although this will likely cause further argument, what if a Muslim country had a gradual mass influx of Christian immigrants, who then asked for state funded Christian faith schools. Would the Muslim nation be as accommodating as Britain is with multi-cultural communities? Personally, I think no." Kinda agree. I grew up in a Muslim country and although the system is completely different to here, you still have plenty English speaking schools and Churches but we were all taught Arabic/Muslim culture at school from ages 5-15 and that was that. I think whichever country you're in you abide by their school laws/beliefs etc and respect them, unfortunately that isn't always the case for some places. | |||
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"I think whichever country you're in you abide by their school laws/beliefs etc and respect them, unfortunately that isn't always the case for some places. " Completely agree x | |||
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"Nothing against Islamic schools provided the Mosque or local community pay for it. Same as Catholic Schools why aren't they funded by the archdiocese of their faith Schools and education in General is funded by the state and is NOT a religious centre ad religion should be kept out of them PERIOD If you belong to a specific religion then your local church, chapel mosque, synagogue should have places within a curriculum to teach that religion, which if memory serves me right they ALL do. ONE Scotland, ONE Nation, MANY cultures but ONE State education system. " | |||
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"Being a devout atheist I firmly believe that religion has absolutely no place in schools. Regardless of funding - whether state or private. If parents wish their own children to be taught on religious matters then it should be arranged through others organisation's. Equally I think it is ridiculous having theology taught as a serious subject at University. It pretends to be a science but how can you argue about the number of angels on the head of a pin and claim it is in any way scientific! No keep these folk tales out of schools completely. " | |||
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"Nothing against Islamic schools provided the Mosque or local community pay for it. Same as Catholic Schools why aren't they funded by the archdiocese of their faith Schools and education in General is funded by the state and is NOT a religious centre ad religion should be kept out of them PERIOD If you belong to a specific religion then your local church, chapel mosque, synagogue should have places within a curriculum to teach that religion, which if memory serves me right they ALL do. ONE Scotland, ONE Nation, MANY cultures but ONE State education system. " | |||
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"Yes but the Muslim school should be public funded no! Just no! I've got no problem with Muslims or any other religions or race but if all these foreigners come to this country & get new schools built just for them & then tax's go up for people that were born here to pay for their schools there would be shitstorms to no end! Religion should only be practiced inside Church's, chapels, & whatever theirs are called. Outside in public & at schools everyone should be the same. Bad idea, worst av heard in a while actually. " Foreigners???????? What about the rights of British Muslims . The Muslim population is larger than all other non- Christian faith groups put together so their children should have their own schools. | |||
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"Being a devout atheist I firmly believe that religion has absolutely no place in schools. Regardless of funding - whether state or private. If parents wish their own children to be taught on religious matters then it should be arranged through others organisation's. Equally I think it is ridiculous having theology taught as a serious subject at University. It pretends to be a science but how can you argue about the number of angels on the head of a pin and claim it is in any way scientific! No keep these folk tales out of schools completely. " Theology, as a degree, is a bit more than that to be fair. They don't just sit around and read bibles n shit. | |||
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"It's only fair in Scotland that we have Muslim schools , where they can be taught about religion , there is a large Muslim community so why not , let's celebrate what our ethnic community have achieved " Have u never been to govanhill lol? | |||
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"Although this will likely cause further argument, what if a Muslim country had a gradual mass influx of Christian immigrants, who then asked for state funded Christian faith schools. Would the Muslim nation be as accommodating as Britain is with multi-cultural communities? Personally, I think no." There are already christian schools in these "Muslim countries". Including those funded by their respective states. Taking Pakistan as an example purely because it was one of the first results when researching the topic a bit further, it for one has state funded catholic schools, despite that religion accounting for less than 1% of the population. Indonesia is a similar story. On the other hand, Islam accounts for 4.5% of our population... and we don't have Muslim schools provided by the state, do we? Least not that I know of. Who's more accommodating in this scenario? Just putting it out there. In any case, I'm an atheist, and despite not believing in any form of God, still think religion should be taught in RE, but no where else, especially not in any science class, nor hymns sang in assemblies, etc either. I'm against indoctrination and as someone said above, it should be a choice for adults and not pressed upon children who know no better. | |||
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"It's only fair in Scotland that we have Muslim schools , where they can be taught about religion , there is a large Muslim community so why not , let's celebrate what our ethnic community have achieved " I don't think children should be indoctrinated into religion regardless if it's muslim, christian or any other form of religion. By definition it's brainwashing. Teach kids about religion but let them decide when they are old enough to understand what they want to believe instead of ruining their minds with religion. Evolution wasn't mentioned once when I was at school which is wrong. Religions are basically big cults. When a cult gets big enough they call it religion. It should be illegal to indoctrinate children into cults, big or small. That would go for all religions/cults not just Islam. | |||
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"There should be schools, just schools. No Catholic, no Jewish or Muslim. No faith schools whatsoever " | |||
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"Being a devout atheist I firmly believe that religion has absolutely no place in schools. Regardless of funding - whether state or private. If parents wish their own children to be taught on religious matters then it should be arranged through others organisation's. Equally I think it is ridiculous having theology taught as a serious subject at University. It pretends to be a science but how can you argue about the number of angels on the head of a pin and claim it is in any way scientific! No keep these folk tales out of schools completely. " | |||
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"Fiver says this thread eventually starts some shit. Where's my popcorn...." Tenner says that was the OPs intention. | |||
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"Fiver says this thread eventually starts some shit. Where's my popcorn.... Tenner says that was the OPs intention." Surely not | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . " Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. " | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. " Sorry, no you dont | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. Sorry, no you dont " True. | |||
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"Being a devout atheist I firmly believe that religion has absolutely no place in schools. Regardless of funding - whether state or private. If parents wish their own children to be taught on religious matters then it should be arranged through others organisation's. Equally I think it is ridiculous having theology taught as a serious subject at University. It pretends to be a science but how can you argue about the number of angels on the head of a pin and claim it is in any way scientific! No keep these folk tales out of schools completely. " | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. Sorry, no you dont True. " Don't have to be a Catholic to teach in an RC school HOWEVER My niece has been forced to | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. Sorry, no you dont True. Don't have to be a Catholic to teach in an RC school HOWEVER My niece has been forced to " All thumbs today Anyway where was I YES My niece has been forced to do a training course funded by herself ( £500) for the privilege of teaching in their schools as a non Catholic | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. Sorry, no you dont True. Don't have to be a Catholic to teach in an RC school HOWEVER My niece has been forced to " Forced to, mmmmm elaborate please | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. Sorry, no you dont True. Don't have to be a Catholic to teach in an RC school HOWEVER My niece has been forced to All thumbs today Anyway where was I YES My niece has been forced to do a training course funded by herself ( £500) for the privilege of teaching in their schools as a non Catholic " She isn't being forced, surely it is her choice to do the course, which will give her an insight as to the teachings at a Catholic school, if she does not wish to do the course , simple apply to another school | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. Sorry, no you dont True. Don't have to be a Catholic to teach in an RC school HOWEVER My niece has been forced to All thumbs today Anyway where was I YES My niece has been forced to do a training course funded by herself ( £500) for the privilege of teaching in their schools as a non Catholic She isn't being forced, surely it is her choice to do the course, which will give her an insight as to the teachings at a Catholic school, if she does not wish to do the course , simple apply to another school " Same thing. If you want to work in a Catholic School we "advise" you complete this course PS It has taken her 5 years working relief in various schools all over the Central Belt and has finally settled at a school that is not a relief job | |||
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"If she doesn't do the course she will not be allowed to teach in the school or words of no other uncertain terms " Yes I understand that, still isn't being forced. Just think if she applied to a Muslim school or Jewish school, she would have to convert , and learn their faiths. And adhere to their protocols , maybe an extra course which will open up further doors isn't too bad , | |||
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"It is something she has to do to keep her job " The criteria for working in a Catholic school will have been clearly given and advised, you apply , you know what criteria is required prior to application, clearly your nice has impressed the school to such that they have offered her a position, once she has fulfilled the criteria to teach in that school. Or would she prefer to bound aimlessly from school to school filling in. | |||
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"Fiver says this thread eventually starts some shit. Where's my popcorn.... Tenner says that was the OPs intention. Surely not " Seems like this post will cause more issues than anything.. But hey ho, it's here now. Just to be clear, the United Kingdom is not a secular nation. It's still christian. Now I may not be one, but that does mean that it's not allowed to be taught in schools (of any form of christianity) and be publicly funded. I happily attending RMPS (religious, moral and philosophical studies) to learn about all religions and moral systems throughout my public school education, whilst singing hymns in assembly and taking part in a Nativity. Did it do me any harm, or lessen the ability to do maths? no.. Am I a more rounded and informed individual, who can now take what I know and self-educate? I hope so. Private schools have their place and their own individual needs in our society, but we all need to learn tolerance to be a modern day citizen. Segregation and hatred have no place. That's just my tuppence. Mrs J xx | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. Sorry, no you dont " Sorry you can't be a deputy head or head teacher if you are not catholic. Ridiculous | |||
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"Where as in other religious schools, you have to be of that denomination , " not in this country you would be breaking so many laws | |||
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"I have no problem with any religeon, I 'd happily shag someone from any faith, lol, but to be honest I don't believe in splitting kids into little boxes, on the grounds of faith, religeon or creed. If they were all flung in together there'd probably be a lot more tolerance and understanding within a generation. just an opinion Love N lust xx" | |||
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"Like I stated way back at the beginning of this thread One Scotland, One Nation, Many Cultures ONE State education system If you wish a different school for your own personal religious belief system the it should be funded by the church, mosque, synagogue etc of that system " | |||
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"Sorry folks I on the other hand totally agree with religion being taught in school, Catholic schools as such are publicly funded , but they are not solely for catholics, many other religions attend these schools but do not need to participate in the 1 or 2 hrs per week of r.e . The rest of the curriculum is state taught to the same teachings of every other funded school. If you example other religions .Muslim schools are solely Muslim, the school is run on the basis of their teachings and their curriculum , not the state teachings . Yet have to be Catholic to teach there. No place in schools for religion. Sorry, no you dont Sorry you can't be a deputy head or head teacher if you are not catholic. Ridiculous " Correct you can't be a head teacher or deputy head , that is so as the ethos of the school is retained. | |||
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"Like I stated way back at the beginning of this thread One Scotland, One Nation, Many Cultures ONE State education system If you wish a different school for your own personal religious belief system the it should be funded by the church, mosque, synagogue etc of that system " Now I can't speak at all for other religious schools, but I can for catholics ones, all Catholic schools and their lands are owned and donated to the local council . I.e it cost you nothing for the land nor the build of the original schools. The Catholic Church donates 10 per of the maintenance costs ,alt present only 55percent of teachers in these schools are Catholic, if you subtract that at least 2 per school aren't teachers, I. Etc heads and deputy heads, that percent decreases again, so all in all I would suggest that regarding the Catholic schools that everyone is gaining, , come on gimme the negatives again. | |||
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"Like I stated way back at the beginning of this thread One Scotland, One Nation, Many Cultures ONE State education system If you wish a different school for your own personal religious belief system the it should be funded by the church, mosque, synagogue etc of that system " And bare in mind when you say other religious beliefs, do you mean Christianity, which Britain is historically , or catholism which Scotland is historically, suppose the view on this would be if you chose independence or not, lol wee twist there | |||
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"Like I stated way back at the beginning of this thread One Scotland, One Nation, Many Cultures ONE State education system If you wish a different school for your own personal religious belief system the it should be funded by the church, mosque, synagogue etc of that system And bare in mind when you say other religious beliefs, do you mean Christianity, which Britain is historically , or catholism which Scotland is historically, suppose the view on this would be if you chose independence or not, lol wee twist there " christianity covers many forms I certainly wouldnt say scotland is historically catholic its the same as any other part of the uk a mish mash of many forms. | |||
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"Like I stated way back at the beginning of this thread One Scotland, One Nation, Many Cultures ONE State education system If you wish a different school for your own personal religious belief system the it should be funded by the church, mosque, synagogue etc of that system And bare in mind when you say other religious beliefs, do you mean Christianity, which Britain is historically , or catholism which Scotland is historically, suppose the view on this would be if you chose independence or not, lol wee twist there christianity covers many forms I certainly wouldnt say scotland is historically catholic its the same as any other part of the uk a mish mash of many forms." Your last king of Scotland was Catholic, the head of the hierarchy denotes this | |||
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"Like I stated way back at the beginning of this thread One Scotland, One Nation, Many Cultures ONE State education system If you wish a different school for your own personal religious belief system the it should be funded by the church, mosque, synagogue etc of that system And bare in mind when you say other religious beliefs, do you mean Christianity, which Britain is historically , or catholism which Scotland is historically, suppose the view on this would be if you chose independence or not, lol wee twist there christianity covers many forms I certainly wouldnt say scotland is historically catholic its the same as any other part of the uk a mish mash of many forms. Your last king of Scotland was Catholic, the head of the hierarchy denotes this " last king of scotland now denotes what the people were lol sorry dont buy it. | |||
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"Like I stated way back at the beginning of this thread One Scotland, One Nation, Many Cultures ONE State education system If you wish a different school for your own personal religious belief system the it should be funded by the church, mosque, synagogue etc of that system And bare in mind when you say other religious beliefs, do you mean Christianity, which Britain is historically , or catholism which Scotland is historically, suppose the view on this would be if you chose independence or not, lol wee twist there christianity covers many forms I certainly wouldnt say scotland is historically catholic its the same as any other part of the uk a mish mash of many forms. Your last king of Scotland was Catholic, the head of the hierarchy denotes this last king of scotland now denotes what the people were lol sorry dont buy it." You don't need to buy it, it's free, | |||
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