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"Make the right choice ?? Personnally don't think we did . Still believe Scotland Can stand on its own two feet.?? " Would definitely change my vote now if I could we were tricked into voting no I think x | |||
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"I'm my opinion Scotland is better for being part of the Union! The price of oil now is not what people would have expected! It's safer being a member of a group than doing it yourself I think!" 
Right or Wrong the people of Scotland made its choice and this Indy 2 mob, should leave it alone. Until you find an honest politition and completely bias free proof that scotland with thrive on its on, then the logical thinkers still going to vote no | |||
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And i cant believe its been a year ... Still gets harped on about as though it was yesterday!! | |||
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"Make the right choice ?? Personnally don't think we did . Still believe Scotland Can stand on its own two feet.?? Would definitely change my vote now if I could we were tricked into voting no I think x" I voted No and do so again, I wasn't tricked or brainwashed, I don't see how you can be tricked into a vote, you vote for what you believe in, simple. | |||
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"Aye salmond wasn't long in changing his _iews from once in a generation." And that is the point, it was his _iew ie his 'opinion'. Unfortunately the media jumped on it as if it was a golden rule set in stone with the power of Moses and Yahweh behind it. | |||
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"Personally I am sick of listening to the snp bang on about another referendum. They were the ones saying it was a once in a generation opportunity but they are such bad losers and seem unable to deal with the fact that their vision was soundly rejected at the ballot box. They should try sorting out the country's problems with falling educational standards, crisis in the emergency services an nhs creaking at the seams, potholes everywhere but loads of Gaelic road signs that only 1% of the country can read." is it only the SNP you dont like "bang on" about it ? How about all those politicians from Labour, Conservative, Lib dems, Greens, UKIP who "bang on" about it. And of course not forgetting the media who "bang on" about it. Maybe apply that outrage to all of them. | |||
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"............ They should try sorting out the country's problems with falling educational standards, crisis in the emergency services an nhs creaking at the seams, potholes everywhere but loads of Gaelic road signs that only 1% of the country can read." Take the Gaelic sign at Rothesay Ferry terminus. Instead of “Welcome to the beauty of the Isle of Bute”, the sign proclaims “Welcome to the beauty of Penis Island”. A missing accent on just one letter changed Bhòid, meaning Bute, to Bhoid – pronounced bod – the Gaelic word for the male member. The sign was erected (sorry!) 6 years ago. How come, if Gaelic is soooooooo important to us, nobody noticed for 6 years? | |||
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"Aye salmond wasn't long in changing his _iews from once in a generation. And that is the point, it was his _iew ie his 'opinion'. Unfortunately the media jumped on it as if it was a golden rule set in stone with the power of Moses and Yahweh behind it. " Sturgeon said the same. Are we to assume every word the spew is a lie, told for effect? | |||
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"So should be keep having one until the snp get their way? Three years of running one and 18 million quid? " That's the SNP _iew. Hold a referendum every day 'till the people make the right decision'. | |||
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"Personally I am sick of listening to the snp bang on about another referendum. They were the ones saying it was a once in a generation opportunity but they are such bad losers and seem unable to deal with the fact that their vision was soundly rejected at the ballot box. .............. is it only the SNP you dont like "bang on" about it ? How about all those politicians from Labour, Conservative, Lib dems, Greens, UKIP who "bang on" about it. And of course not forgetting the media who "bang on" about it. Maybe apply that outrage to all of them." It's only the losers who "bang on" about another referendum. The rest of us (the winners) "bang on" about the SNP not getting on with the day job - the one they get paid for. | |||
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" It's only the losers who "bang on" about another referendum. The rest of us (the winners) "bang on" about the SNP not getting on with the day job - the one they get paid for." But yet when the topic comes up your all over the thread and post four comments in a row with out much reply?! You clearly like talking about it lol. | |||
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"Personally I am sick of listening to the snp bang on about another referendum. They were the ones saying it was a once in a generation opportunity but they are such bad losers and seem unable to deal with the fact that their vision was soundly rejected at the ballot box. .............. is it only the SNP you dont like "bang on" about it ? How about all those politicians from Labour, Conservative, Lib dems, Greens, UKIP who "bang on" about it. And of course not forgetting the media who "bang on" about it. Maybe apply that outrage to all of them. It's only the losers who "bang on" about another referendum. The rest of us (the winners) "bang on" about the SNP not getting on with the day job - the one they get paid for." yer boring _nny 
At every FMQ's for months after the referendum the leaders of Labour, Conservative and Lib dems raised the subject of a second referendum, not to mention journalists raising the subject on a daily basis, but its only the SNP that should be held accountable for doing so 
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"Personally I am sick of listening to the snp bang on about another referendum. They were the ones saying it was a once in a generation opportunity but they are such bad losers and seem unable to deal with the fact that their vision was soundly rejected at the ballot box. .............. is it only the SNP you dont like "bang on" about it ? How about all those politicians from Labour, Conservative, Lib dems, Greens, UKIP who "bang on" about it. And of course not forgetting the media who "bang on" about it. Maybe apply that outrage to all of them. It's only the losers who "bang on" about another referendum. The rest of us (the winners) "bang on" about the SNP not getting on with the day job - the one they get paid for. yer boring _nny
At every FMQ's for months after the referendum the leaders of Labour, Conservative and Lib dems raised the subject of a second referendum, not to mention journalists raising the subject on a daily basis, but its only the SNP that should be held accountable for doing so
Take off your red, white & blue tinted specs"Nicola doesn't wait for FMQs to bang on about a referendum. Even poor Peter is getting pissed by her pillow talk and he'll put up with a lot of shite from her. £145,000 a year does that to marriages. What Nicola forgets is that the constitution is a reserved matter and that she doesn't have the authority to call a referendum, even if she wanted to (which she doesn't ). | |||
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"Personally I am sick of listening to the snp bang on about another referendum. They were the ones saying it was a once in a generation opportunity but they are such bad losers and seem unable to deal with the fact that their vision was soundly rejected at the ballot box. .............. is it only the SNP you dont like "bang on" about it ? How about all those politicians from Labour, Conservative, Lib dems, Greens, UKIP who "bang on" about it. And of course not forgetting the media who "bang on" about it. Maybe apply that outrage to all of them. It's only the losers who "bang on" about another referendum. The rest of us (the winners) "bang on" about the SNP not getting on with the day job - the one they get paid for. yer boring _nny
At every FMQ's for months after the referendum the leaders of Labour, Conservative and Lib dems raised the subject of a second referendum, not to mention journalists raising the subject on a daily basis, but its only the SNP that should be held accountable for doing so
Take off your red, white & blue tinted specs
Nicola doesn't wait for FMQs to bang on about a referendum. Even poor Peter is getting pissed by her pillow talk and he'll put up with a lot of shite from her. £145,000 a year does that to marriages.
What Nicola forgets is that the constitution is a reserved matter and that she doesn't have the authority to call a referendum, even if she wanted to (which she doesn't )."Same old _nny, when you cannot refute the point that all political parties have kept this going for the last year and not only the SNP you revert to type and start attacking the personal lives of politicians, one of these days you will provide a well reasoned argument. Not holding my breathe for it though  | |||
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"Personally I am sick of listening to the snp bang on about another referendum. They were the ones saying it was a once in a generation opportunity but they are such bad losers and seem unable to deal with the fact that their vision was soundly rejected at the ballot box. .............. is it only the SNP you dont like "bang on" about it ? How about all those politicians from Labour, Conservative, Lib dems, Greens, UKIP who "bang on" about it. And of course not forgetting the media who "bang on" about it. Maybe apply that outrage to all of them. It's only the losers who "bang on" about another referendum. The rest of us (the winners) "bang on" about the SNP not getting on with the day job - the one they get paid for. yer boring _nny
At every FMQ's for months after the referendum the leaders of Labour, Conservative and Lib dems raised the subject of a second referendum, not to mention journalists raising the subject on a daily basis, but its only the SNP that should be held accountable for doing so
Take off your red, white & blue tinted specs
Nicola doesn't wait for FMQs to bang on about a referendum. Even poor Peter is getting pissed by her pillow talk and he'll put up with a lot of shite from her. £145,000 a year does that to marriages.
What Nicola forgets is that the constitution is a reserved matter and that she doesn't have the authority to call a referendum, even if she wanted to (which she doesn't ).
Same old _nny, when you cannot refute the point that all political parties have kept this going for the last year and not only the SNP you revert to type and start attacking the personal lives of politicians, one of these days you will provide a well reasoned argument.
Not holding my breathe for it though "Nicola's Numpty Nats are the only people interested in another referendum*. Why should anyone else keep banging on about one? * As I've said - she doesn't want a referendum, she just want the threat of a referendum (and likes the sound of her own voice). | |||
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"Personally I am sick of listening to the snp bang on about another referendum. They were the ones saying it was a once in a generation opportunity but they are such bad losers and seem unable to deal with the fact that their vision was soundly rejected at the ballot box. .............. is it only the SNP you dont like "bang on" about it ? How about all those politicians from Labour, Conservative, Lib dems, Greens, UKIP who "bang on" about it. And of course not forgetting the media who "bang on" about it. Maybe apply that outrage to all of them. It's only the losers who "bang on" about another referendum. The rest of us (the winners) "bang on" about the SNP not getting on with the day job - the one they get paid for. yer boring _nny
At every FMQ's for months after the referendum the leaders of Labour, Conservative and Lib dems raised the subject of a second referendum, not to mention journalists raising the subject on a daily basis, but its only the SNP that should be held accountable for doing so
Take off your red, white & blue tinted specs
Nicola doesn't wait for FMQs to bang on about a referendum. Even poor Peter is getting pissed by her pillow talk and he'll put up with a lot of shite from her. £145,000 a year does that to marriages.
What Nicola forgets is that the constitution is a reserved matter and that she doesn't have the authority to call a referendum, even if she wanted to (which she doesn't ).
Same old _nny, when you cannot refute the point that all political parties have kept this going for the last year and not only the SNP you revert to type and start attacking the personal lives of politicians, one of these days you will provide a well reasoned argument.
Not holding my breathe for it though
Nicola's Numpty Nats are the only people interested in another referendum*.
Why should anyone else keep banging on about one?
* As I've said - she doesn't want a referendum, she just want the threat of a referendum (and likes the sound of her own voice)."don't know you oony I voted no but your reply's to a viable question on the subject would make me think twice about my original decision should another referendum be called...although I believe it wont for years that kind of personal attacks on folks who have opposite _iews to yourself will only help fuel the fire that the majority's decision was wrong.....a dignified silence is always better than a attacking personal comment....but that's just my _iew..we live in a democracy where freedom of speech is a god given right...wether agree or not with what's said | |||
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"I was all for independence but after seeing the massive down turn in oil industry how would that have left us now " Please dont think for one minute that oil is going to stay cheap | |||
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". don't know you oony I voted no but your reply's to a viable question on the subject would make me think twice about my original decision should another referendum be called...although I believe it wont for years that kind of personal attacks on folks who have opposite _iews to yourself will only help fuel the fire that the majority's decision was wrong.....a dignified silence is always better than a attacking personal comment....but that's just my _iew..we live in a democracy where freedom of speech is a god given right...wether agree or not with what's said "Do you really think that's a 'personal attack'? You really should get out more. Go to George Sq tomorrow and listen to Tommy, if he's back from Cupid's in time. Watch out for thrown eggs, though. | |||
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"Not saying one way or another simply I don't trust any politicians if I am honest. But what I can say is what happened to Devo Max it went very quiet did it not a lot of false promises I feel." It's been less than a year. " On the other hand the snp figures don't work full stop" | |||
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"Not saying one way or another simply I don't trust any politicians if I am honest. But what I can say is what happened to Devo Max it went very quiet did it not a lot of false promises I feel. It's been less than a year. On the other hand the snp figures don't work full stop "Funny in less than a year the Tory party has been able to get a lot done just look at the trade union bill! | |||
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"Not saying one way or another simply I don't trust any politicians if I am honest. But what I can say is what happened to Devo Max it went very quiet did it not a lot of false promises I feel. It's been less than a year. On the other hand the snp figures don't work full stop
Funny in less than a year the Tory party has been able to get a lot done just look at the trade union bill!"The TU bill was written in coalition years and still hasn't been passed into legislation. What legislation has Holyrood passed since Sept 2014, apart from the BSL Bill? | |||
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"The question. Was it the right choice a year ago ???" Yes, it was the right decision | |||
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"We deffo fucked up in the vote, but we won't get another referendum, the fuhrer "Cameron" won't allow it. & all these refugees there letting in am willing to bet Isis are in among them & they'll be beheading people in our streets some time soon" Miss Sturgeon did say the refugee s would be welcome in her house just not smelly Scots that are already homeless and living on the streets. | |||
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"We deffo fucked up in the vote, but we won't get another referendum, the fuhrer "Cameron" won't allow it. & all these refugees there letting in am willing to bet Isis are in among them & they'll be beheading people in our streets some time soon Miss Sturgeon did say the refugee s would be welcome in her house just not smelly Scots that are already homeless and living on the streets." Having previously been assured by her protection team that they wouldn't allow it. | |||
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"The question. Was it the right choice a year ago ??? Yes, it was the right decision" | |||
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"I was all for independence but after seeing the massive down turn in oil industry how would that have left us now " Exactly! Heard a clown on the radio today trying to say that oil revenue would be a bonus. He obviously didn't hear the regular speeches from AS in the past, about how Scotland could survive on it's own with all the billions of pounds from oil, comparing an independent Scotland to Norway. He always overlooked the fact that Norway isn't a full member of the EU, whereas an independent Scotland would be, assuming it was admitted. | |||
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"I'm my opinion Scotland is better for being part of the Union! The price of oil now is not what people would have expected! It's safer being a member of a group than doing it yourself I think!
Right or Wrong the people of Scotland made its choice and this Indy 2 mob, should leave it alone. Until you find an honest politition and completely bias free proof that scotland with thrive on its on, then the logical thinkers still going to vote no"
NS goes on about the people deciding on another referendum, she seems to happily ignore the fact that the people have already decided. | |||
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"Personally I am sick of listening to the snp bang on about another referendum. They were the ones saying it was a once in a generation opportunity but they are such bad losers and seem unable to deal with the fact that their vision was soundly rejected at the ballot box. They should try sorting out the country's problems with falling educational standards, crisis in the emergency services an nhs creaking at the seams, potholes everywhere but loads of Gaelic road signs that only 1% of the country can read." Couldn't agree more. | |||
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"Happy Union day "Nice union jacks xx | |||
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"I was all for independence but after seeing the massive down turn in oil industry how would that have left us now Please dont think for one minute that oil is going to stay cheap" Read this week that it could drop to nearer $20 a barrel. | |||
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"The trouble is neither the unionists or the nationalists had an independent accurate roadmap for what an independent Scotland would look like and how it would run this personally I believe should be something that is drawn up outside of the realms of politics by economists and social scientists so if there is a second referendum people are voting on cold hard facts not political promises which change like the wind from all sides. "
This was my exact biggest gripe with the referendum! If a government expects the electorate to go out and make an educated decision on something as important as independence, then it has a responsibility to educate its voters on the potential benefits and pitfalls! Its not just a general election where you can change your mind in 4 years if it doesnt quite work out ... Its most likely irreversable and they cant expect people to take a blind leap of faith. Holyrood (not the SNP but the entire scottish government) should have been responsible for publishing facts and educating voters and the yes and no campaign could then pick the bits they liked to back up their arguments
Instead it was done the other way around and the campaigns leafletted voters with their campaign arguments and called them facts ... I actually stopped volunteering for the side I voted for this exact reason ... I was disgusted that they were allowed to send out documents where people who dont take an interest in politics could be so easily swayed in either direction dependant on what side leaflet lands first and was read as 'the facts'. Both sides tried to appeal to peoples emotions ... Wether it be hope, pride, fear ... They should have given us a bit more credit and tried to appeal to our minds!
Oh and on another note ... If people were tricked into voting no by false promises ... Could that not also apply to some who were tricked into voting yes as they thought it was a now or never chance? | |||
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Nice union jacks xx"The flag is the Union of 1800, while the jack is actually the flagpole it flies from.... the young lady does indeed have a eye catching bikini top  | |||
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"I was all for independence but after seeing the massive down turn in oil industry how would that have left us now Exactly! Heard a clown on the radio today trying to say that oil revenue would be a bonus. He obviously didn't hear the regular speeches from AS in the past, about how Scotland could survive on it's own with all the billions of pounds from oil, comparing an independent Scotland to Norway. He always overlooked the fact that Norway isn't a full member of the EU, whereas an independent Scotland would be, assuming it was admitted." The Nats (conveniently?) forget that Norway's Sovereign Wealth Fund was started 40 years ago, when there was serious money to be made in oil. Thatcher didn't save or invest, she blew the lot. That's 40 years compound interest we've missed out on, never to be found again. Do the math. | |||
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"Jeezo nothing like a good old debate. Well thanks to still been an union. We have England v fiji on our tv. Instead of our usual soaps. So id vote yes every day of the week. So that rubbish isn't ruining my Friday night." You'd prefer reruns of Take The High Road and Dr Findlay? River Shitty, all in Gaelic? | |||
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"Jeezo nothing like a good old debate. Well thanks to still been an union. We have England v fiji on our tv. Instead of our usual soaps. So id vote yes every day of the week. So that rubbish isn't ruining my Friday night. You'd prefer reruns of Take The High Road and Dr Findlay? River Shitty, all in Gaelic?" Yip anything better than that junk. | |||
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"while i agree with what you are saying regarding lost oil revenue, something which was very under debated and discussed was green energy scotland could be positioned to become a world leader in this field and has the domestic potential to provide upward of 45% of europes energy requirements if this was developed correctly, but this would require investment now! otherwise yet again we could miss the bus as it were, something which with the current tory government in westminster and an SNP focused on referendums above all else is something which i fear is almost a certainty to happen." If the SNP think this is worth investment, they can do it. I doubt they will, choosing rather to pick another cross border fight. | |||
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" ...... Also far too many people voted for religious reasons ( on both sides ) and did I believe if we were not cursed with the bigotry we have in Scotland it would have been a yes." Perhaps you could explain that a bit. | |||
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" ...... Also far too many people voted for religious reasons ( on both sides ) and did I believe if we were not cursed with the bigotry we have in Scotland it would have been a yes. Perhaps you could explain that a bit." Did not think it would need any explaining but here we go, some voted no because the Orange order told them to and others because they wanted a republic and not the Queen, I know some who voted because they were under the impression that it was a religious thing we all know the ones whether we pretend it did not happen or not. Personally I dont give a shit for the Queen, the Pope, Allah or any other idol mythical or real I voted because I myself believed we would be better off getting away from Tory rule for good and the only way this could happen is in an independent Scotland and it does not have to be SNP after independence. | |||
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"A people who allow others to govern over them are no people at all freedom takes courage and faith. As for any referendum it is a snapshot in time and opinion changes with time the large turn out for the no vote by the older demographic means as they pass there could be a dramatic shift in opinion. Jeremy Corbin if unelectable would consign us to minimum ten years Tory rule that will not help the no camp and could dramatically change _iews" Jeremy Corbin is only unelectable because we are being told he is by the elite controlled media, they do not want a man like him who would ry and stop the out of control bankers and greedy companies. It is only when Labour once again has a leader that works for the common man that I will once again vote for them but I dont htink that will be for a long time as the Labour party has too many Tory idealists in the top ranks. | |||
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"Also far too many people voted for religious reasons ( on both sides ) and did I believe if we were not cursed with the bigotry we have in Scotland it would have been a yes." Que??? Have to admit that's a new one on me! And when people throw in a religious angle to something with which religion has no relevance, I always think it is they who have an agenda and are simply trying to stir it! Just my opinion! | |||
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"A people who allow others to govern over them are no people at all " An extremely interesting comment/quote. So we get independence from Westminster, and then beg to be allowed to join the EU???? And be governed by a bunch of unelected pillocks, who couldn't run a market stall. Their accounts have never been passed by the auditors!! Hilarious!! | |||
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"Also far too many people voted for religious reasons ( on both sides ) and did I believe if we were not cursed with the bigotry we have in Scotland it would have been a yes. Que??? Have to admit that's a new one on me! And when people throw in a religious angle to something with which religion has no relevance, I always think it is they who have an agenda and are simply trying to stir it! Just my opinion! " Far from trying to stir it I do not have an agenda with religion apart from the trouble it causes in Scotland and are you truthfully telling me you do not know anyone who did not vote on religious grounds? I would doubt that very much. I know lots of people from both sides of the divide who voted due to religion, and in case you missed the bit on my post I realy dont give a shit for the Queen, Pope, Alah, thf catholic church the Potestant church or any other, and it is still undeniable some voted through religion. | |||
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"Also far too many people voted for religious reasons ( on both sides ) and did I believe if we were not cursed with the bigotry we have in Scotland it would have been a yes. Que??? Have to admit that's a new one on me! And when people throw in a religious angle to something with which religion has no relevance, I always think it is they who have an agenda and are simply trying to stir it! Just my opinion! " So I have areligious agenda just because I mentioned it? that is just as bad as when someone says there should be a better deal for the ordinary punter they are labeled left wing commie agitators. and just one more question what religion do you think I am or was? | |||
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" ...... Also far too many people voted for religious reasons ( on both sides ) and did I believe if we were not cursed with the bigotry we have in Scotland it would have been a yes. Perhaps you could explain that a bit.Did not think it would need any explaining but here we go, some voted no because the Orange order told them to and others because they wanted a republic and not the Queen, I know some who voted because they were under the impression that it was a religious thing we all know the ones whether we pretend it did not happen or not. Personally I dont give a shit for the Queen, the Pope, Allah or any other idol mythical or real I voted because I myself believed we would be better off getting away from Tory rule for good and the only way this could happen is in an independent Scotland and it does not have to be SNP after independence." According to a survey of 5,000 after the vote, "some 60% of Protestants voted 'No', while 58% of Catholics voted 'Yes'. Those adherents of the Church of England were 81% for the Union - the strongest correlation of all. However, the research does not indicate that religion was a cause of the way people voted." So religion doesn't seem to have made much difference. More results at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34283948 | |||
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"Id also (maybe wrongly) guess that the people voting based on religion would be mostly limited to west of scotland ... Really Glasgow and the surrounding areas as this is where we have the worst problems with sectarianism ... I dont think this would have been a widespread issue but might be wrong " You may be right on that as I can only go by the reasons given by the people in the areas I live and work. | |||
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"This thread really makes me feel proud to be Scottish "But it is a sad fact of life in Scotland. And I am still a yes no more on the subject from me. | |||
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"The nhs is in crisis and as it is a fully devolved function then it is up to Wee Nippy and her party to run it properly. It is totally mismanaged and last week my soon to be ex-missus was responsible for 10 phones due to sickness mainly stress. Figures are fiddled so the snap came say targets are being met." So Scottish Labour lied then ? It is not safe with a no vote ? | |||
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"Mr S ... here. I wonder what people's _iews are on Trident and these welfare cuts and tax credits cuts that Labour abstained on. Yes Corbyn is a good thing for Labour but with 184 abstainers and like 90% OF Labour mps that dont believe in Corbyn he will have alot of hard work to win voters over. Before the referendum Scottish Labour were telling people if they vote no then the NHS would be safe now seems strange now that is now in crisis. A year on and The Vow has not been delivered if it as David Cameron seems to think it has can someone show me where Home Rule , Devo Max and near federalism as you can be has been delivered ? " If Nicola, or anyone, thinks those figures and 'analysis' are correct, she can ask for a referendum tomorrow and be sure to win. She won't. | |||
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"Cracks me up its Friday night and people are on a swingers site arguing over something that was decided a year ago move on and have some fun "Does that include you? Lol | |||
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"Cracks me up its Friday night and people are on a swingers site arguing over something that was decided a year ago move on and have some fun "Some people can't move on and seem unable to accept the democratic decision of the majority. Wee Nippy was stoking the fires again today in another speech short on detail about how to deal with real problems but long on rhetoric about neverendum | |||
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"Cracks me up its Friday night and people are on a swingers site arguing over something that was decided a year ago move on and have some fun
Does that include you? Lol
Am not arguing "No but you are sitting on a swingers site on a Friday night, posting in a thread about something that was decided a year ago. Or is the arguing that "cracks" you up lol | |||
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"Cracks me up its Friday night and people are on a swingers site arguing over something that was decided a year ago move on and have some fun
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"Whoever votes against their own country should really have a hard look in the mirror. Yes the oil prices is going up and down but but Scotland still has over 40 year of oil left and 40 years of oil which has been wasted on bombs,wars and Infading countries. The Union Jack is the passed = blood, war, poverty, nukes and scandles. Where the Scotland I hope is free of all this and represents hope, equality and fairness for all not greed and Scotland gets to be repesented as a proper countyso yes we made a huge mistake vote yes " (thumbYes ! although not the best place to say it ,yet another SNP bashing exercise
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"Mr S ... here. I wonder what people's _iews are on Trident and these welfare cuts and tax credits cuts that Labour abstained on. Yes Corbyn is a good thing for Labour but with 184 abstainers and like 90% OF Labour mps that dont believe in Corbyn he will have alot of hard work to win voters over. Before the referendum Scottish Labour were telling people if they vote no then the NHS would be safe now seems strange now that is now in crisis. A year on and The Vow has not been delivered if it as David Cameron seems to think it has can someone show me where Home Rule , Devo Max and near federalism as you can be has been delivered ? " Here's an article explaining some facts about the NHS in Scotland. The Scottish govt (SNP) choose to spend less on the NHS than the Westminster government do. http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-scotland-scottish-government-protected-nhs/18887 But that funding is still probably far far higher than if we'd been independent. | |||
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"Really love the total inferiority complex brigade let's spread that through our nation hell bent on we can't do this for ourselves, we don't dare do fuck all without permission from Westminster, who really love us northern Britain ( this is sarcasm btw for you thick fucks that believe that Westminster gives a fuck for us in Scotland )" Sorry Blues but you dont realise how wrong you are, we really cant do fuck all for ourselves it must be true because we have been told so many times by those who want to hang on to a country that drains them of cash ( aye right that alone should make folk think ). I know I said I would say no more on the subject but just like the VOW I lied 
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" Sorry Blues but you dont realise how wrong you are, we really cant do fuck all for ourselves it must be true because we have been told so many times by those who want to hang on to a country that drains them of cash ( aye right that alone should make folk think ). I know I said I would say no more on the subject but just like the VOW I lied
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" ...... Also far too many people voted for religious reasons ( on both sides ) and did I believe if we were not cursed with the bigotry we have in Scotland it would have been a yes. Perhaps you could explain that a bit.Did not think it would need any explaining but here we go, some voted no because the Orange order told them to and others because they wanted a republic and not the Queen, I know some who voted because they were under the impression that it was a religious thing we all know the ones whether we pretend it did not happen or not. Personally I dont give a shit for the Queen, the Pope, Allah or any other idol mythical or real I voted because I myself believed we would be better off getting away from Tory rule for good and the only way this could happen is in an independent Scotland and it does not have to be SNP after independence." The Orange Order have under 50,000 members in Scotland - How do they have any kind of sway on a vote of 4.3 million eligible voters? The vast majority who voted to remain in the union did so because they wanted to protect their lifestyle and were not prepared to gamble on what was clearly a political dream where they could not trust the figures. I am willing to bet far more were swayed by braveheart than any religious organisation. The scarey and very sad fact is much of the 37% of the electorate who voted yes are now entrenched in a cult like movement where facts are secondary to dreams. It matters not a jot that £35 billion would have been wiped off the oil revenues or the price of a barrel needs to rise by 300% just to break even - as long as we feck the bad tories we will be fine. Problem is the vast majority of the other 63% when push comes to shove will not budge. Not even when Nicola demands (as she quite likes to do) | |||
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"Whoever votes against their own country should really have a hard look in the mirror. Yes the oil prices is going up and down but but Scotland still has over 40 year of oil left and 40 years of oil which has been wasted on bombs,wars and Infading countries. The Union Jack is the passed = blood, war, poverty, nukes and scandles. Where the Scotland I hope is free of all this and represents hope, equality and fairness for all not greed and Scotland gets to be repesented as a proper countyso yes we made a huge mistake vote yes (thumbYes ! although not the best place to say it ,yet another SNP bashing exercise
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" Sorry Blues but you dont realise how wrong you are, we really cant do fuck all for ourselves it must be true because we have been told so many times by those who want to hang on to a country that drains them of cash ( aye right that alone should make folk think ). I know I said I would say no more on the subject but just like the VOW I lied
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Re hanging onto a country who drains them of cash, where are you getting your figures from? If we use the Scottish governments own figures for the year 2013/14 (the most recent and also before the oil crash) we get the following:
The tax paid for Scotland (if we include all the oil fields within Scottish waters etc) is £10,100 per head.
The expenditure per head is £12,500 per head.
That's straight from the gov.scot website."This was really naughty of you Gary. Imagine using facts in a debate with yes voters who have been told for years that Westminster has been sucking the lifeblood out of them when in reality Westminster has been subsidising our pulblic services. Unfortunately facts don't really count in the yes camp and it is all rhetoric and a romantic notion of heather and shortbread. | |||
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" This was really naughty of you Gary. Imagine using facts in a debate with yes voters who have been told for years that Westminster has been sucking the lifeblood out of them when in reality Westminster has been subsidising our pulblic services. Unfortunately facts don't really count in the yes camp and it is all rhetoric and a romantic notion of heather and shortbread." The thing is, this information is all publicly available. People just quote the mantra they get from others rather than actually looking for the facts. | |||
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" The thing is, this information is all publicly available. People just quote the mantra they get from others rather than actually looking for the facts. " Problem is unless its in their own indy newspaper, any official SNP publication, printed on a badge, a flag or a car sticker then everything else is just Tory lies set to persecute them. Far too many in Scotland are in love with the dream whilst being far removed from reality. How many of their band at Westminster will really be that keen to give up their £80k positions with £150k expense accounts included in order to take their chances in being elected for Holyrood. I imagine that contest would not sit too great with their existing MSP's who may be shoehorned out the door to make space. Independence at any cost - the dream of Salmond & Sturgeon whatever the cost (to each and every one of us). | |||
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"Personally I am sick of listening to the snp bang on about another referendum. They were the ones saying it was a once in a generation opportunity but they are such bad losers and seem unable to deal with the fact that their vision was soundly rejected at the ballot box. They should try sorting out the country's problems with falling educational standards, crisis in the emergency services an nhs creaking at the seams, potholes everywhere but loads of Gaelic road signs that only 1% of the country can read." Well said!..... I was in two minds- but now as I voted no. SNP are hiding behind excuses of " they broke their promises" , " independence was never predicated on the price of oil" etc. it's just a smokescreen for the things they haven't achieved- tell me why the rds in Spain are in such good nic, and 3G is available everywhere u go in Spain..... And that's just for starters!!! S | |||
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" Sorry Blues but you dont realise how wrong you are, we really cant do fuck all for ourselves it must be true because we have been told so many times by those who want to hang on to a country that drains them of cash ( aye right that alone should make folk think ). I know I said I would say no more on the subject but just like the VOW I lied
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The tax paid for Scotland (if we include all the oil fields within Scottish waters etc) is £10,100 per head.
The expenditure per head is £12,500 per head.
That's straight from the gov.scot website.
This was really naughty of you Gary. Imagine using facts in a debate with yes voters who have been told for years that Westminster has been sucking the lifeblood out of them when in reality Westminster has been subsidising our pulblic services. Unfortunately facts don't really count in the yes camp and it is all rhetoric and a romantic notion of heather and shortbread." | |||
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" .......... How many of their band at Westminster will really be that keen to give up their £80k positions with £150k expense accounts included in order to take their chances in being elected for Holyrood. ............" It doesn't have to be a choice. Salmond sits in both parliaments. He's also a member of the Privy Council, with all the knee bending and 'loyalty to the Queen' stuff Corbyn is getting abuse about. | |||
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"'us (the winners)' Well done on winning! Food banks more prevalent, growing inequality, an NHS which is dying on its feet, the bankers rewarded for failure, public service workers laid off or paid less despite year after year despite producing 'more from less', falling educational standards (well the most qualified won't teach as the wages are shockingly poor - train drivers earn more)- like I said, well done on winning, you must be delighted! Oh, by the way, gorgeous George has only just started, once Darling Dave is gone its all downhill from there btw. We'll be wishing we only had a 7 billion black hole after the oil price dropped - at least we could borrow against it (like every other country in the world - oh not much said about Dave increasing our national debt by 50%) - ye cannae borrow an NHS sadly "This is pretty much rhetoric so I'll address it all with facts: 1) Foodbanks more prevalant - No one I know can tell me what you can do to end foodbanks other than vague statements about a fairer society etc. The fact is, there will always be people who will need foodbanks as they will spend their income on other priorities. 2) NHS dying on it's feet - The Scottish government choose to spend less as a percentage of their income on the NHS than England does. It's pretty shamefull that they do this as their NHS expenditure is based on how much England spends but they CHOOSE to spend less, 3) To quote you 'public service workers laid off or paid less despite year after year despite producing 'more from less'- As someone who works in the public sector I can tell you that the reason for this is an 8 year long council tax freeze. The SNP are killing services to the most vulnerable in society and blaming it on Westminster but it's due to their council tax freeze, as COSLA acknowledges. They are playing politics with peoples lives. The people who benefit from the council tax freeze are the middle classes. People on low incomes benefit from council tax benefit so it doesn't affect them. It's yet another policy aimed at the middle classes. 4) Educational standards? - The SNP have been in power for 8 years now and Scotland's educational standards have fallen throughout that time. They promised in their 2007 manifesto to cut class sizes and maintain teacher numbers. Since 2007 teacher numbers have fallen from 52246 to 48442 http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-snp-failed-deliver/21455 5) 'We'll be wishing we only had a 7 billion black hole after the oil price dropped - at least we could borrow against it (like every other country in the world - oh not much said about Dave increasing our national debt by 50%) - ye cannae borrow an NHS sadly' - Our deficit in 2013/14 (before the huge drop in oil prices) was £9.8 billion. This counts all North Sea oil as being Scottish. This is a deficit of 6.4% compared toa UK deficit of 4.1% (Scottish government figures). After the drop in oil prices this will be much bigger. 6) 'ye cannae borrow an NHS sadly' - No you can't. But what you can do is fund it to the same extent they do in England. Unfortunately the Scottish government chooses to spend less of it's income on the NHS than England does. | |||
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"I never, ever comment on the forums but to the original poster well played on opening the huge fuck of can of worms lol
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"As a nationalist id say we made the wrong choice hopefully in a few yrs we get another chance to vote for independence and vote yes " Have you actually researched the consequences of independence and the financial implications or is it just an emotional reaction? Remember that Westminster is bailing out the snp administration who are failing Scotland on all fronts as they are obsessed with another referendum rather than govern the country. | |||
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"As a nationalist id say we made the wrong choice hopefully in a few yrs we get another chance to vote for independence and vote yes Have you actually researched the consequences of independence and the financial implications or is it just an emotional reaction? Remember that Westminster is bailing out the snp administration who are failing Scotland on all fronts as they are obsessed with another referendum rather than govern the country." so by cutting there buget they are bailing them out ?and a lot of ppl think the snp are doing a great job with the buget that westminster allows them | |||
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"As a nationalist id say we made the wrong choice hopefully in a few yrs we get another chance to vote for independence and vote yes Have you actually researched the consequences of independence and the financial implications or is it just an emotional reaction? Remember that Westminster is bailing out the snp administration who are failing Scotland on all fronts as they are obsessed with another referendum rather than govern the country. so by cutting there buget they are bailing them out ?and a lot of ppl think the snp are doing a great job with the buget that westminster allows them " The SNP aren't spending their budget*. They're building a war chest. * rot for bunging the odd (very odd) £150,000 to their pals. | |||
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"As a nationalist id say we made the wrong choice hopefully in a few yrs we get another chance to vote for independence and vote yes Have you actually researched the consequences of independence and the financial implications or is it just an emotional reaction? Remember that Westminster is bailing out the snp administration who are failing Scotland on all fronts as they are obsessed with another referendum rather than govern the country. so by cutting there buget they are bailing them out ?and a lot of ppl think the snp are doing a great job with the buget that westminster allows them The SNP aren't spending their budget*. They're building a war chest. * rot for bunging the odd (very odd) £150,000 to their pals." you do spout some utter crap and always seem to ruin a.post with your personal attacks on the snp it must really bug you to see them getting stronger and the red tories wiped out  | |||
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"As a nationalist id say we made the wrong choice hopefully in a few yrs we get another chance to vote for independence and vote yes Have you actually researched the consequences of independence and the financial implications or is it just an emotional reaction? Remember that Westminster is bailing out the snp administration who are failing Scotland on all fronts as they are obsessed with another referendum rather than govern the country. so by cutting there buget they are bailing them out ?and a lot of ppl think the snp are doing a great job with the buget that westminster allows them The SNP aren't spending their budget*. They're building a war chest. * rot for bunging the odd (very odd) £150,000 to their pals. you do spout some utter crap and always seem to ruin a.post with your personal attacks on the snp it must really bug you to see them getting stronger and the red tories wiped out "I appreciate you don't like it, but telling the truth (about £150,000 given to T in the Park) is hardly a personal attack. Ms Dempsie has been dumped off the candidates list cos she got caught. | |||
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"And the snp administration underspent their budget by about £440 million while whinging about food banks. Forget all the romantic notions of an independent Scotland and face reality. Scotland needs the UK more than the UK needs Scotland." | |||
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"137 posts later and the country is still very much split. I see got you talking and getting personal I see . Just 40 more and it will get closed so keep it going ??? You must be so proud... "Their sole aim is to shut down discussion. Split? 45 - 55 as I recall. | |||
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"137 posts later and the country is still very much split. I see got you talking and getting personal I see . Just 40 more and it will get closed so keep it going ??? You must be so proud...
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"Bi-gary and mrhumps. Well researched and completely to the point. The council tax freeze has been a killer for the local councils. If they had chased the poll tax defaulters for the money owed instead of letting them off with it then that would have been more money in the kitty. The council tax.. The annual rate of increase was 4% if I remember correctly plus water charge ontop yet pensions and other forms of income was nothing near that so to continue raise year on year was not good for the many on fixed income and we have all had to tighten our belts and only right councils had to do the same Remember that the snp are a one policy party only. There only aim is independence at any cost. It can be proven that they are incompetent by their own figures but they are very good at blaming westminster for their own failings and people believe them. It is time for people to actually ask relevent questions to the snp before next year's elections and to hold them to account. " | |||
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"Great post more thought provoking than most and only five per cent more to persuade that a people should determine their own future and not a bunch of public school boys who think the height of sophistication is putting their genitals in pieces of dead pork 45% + 5% = how many? 5% of 45% = how many? In the real world that is, not Brigadoon." 5% more = 50% in Brigadoon and any other part of Scotland and with polls showing their highest returns for a yes vote ever it would seem the job of persuading the people of Scotland is well and truly begun spurred on no doubt by in humane Tory policy's yesterday's was an end to free school meals for the poorest in society the food banks will be bursting is that the Britain you are proud of because I'm disgusted and unfortunately the press have decided the next election result already and Jeremy Corbin lost ten more years of the Tories no thank you. | |||
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"Ill be so glad when this post hits 175 entries! " Someone will probably start another. " And yes i know i could just not read it but i cant help myself ... Torn between the passion i have for politics and the sadness at the way it all descends into petty digs and the bitter divide we now have in scotland "Yeah. So we can go back to religion or fitba. | |||
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"Ill be so glad when this post hits 175 entries! And yes i know i could just not read it but i cant help myself ... Torn between the passion i have for politics and the sadness at the way it all descends into petty digs and the bitter divide we now have in scotland "there is no need for it to descend to anything. I have very strong _iews on this subject and alot of folk I know and speak to have almost polar opposite _iews. yup we both believe the others barking mad but after alls said and done we can see the merits of the points the other raises it is a more sad stste of affairs that most topics in scotland have a high probability of degenerating back to two football teams | |||
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"Ill be so glad when this post hits 175 entries! And yes i know i could just not read it but i cant help myself ... Torn between the passion i have for politics and the sadness at the way it all descends into petty digs and the bitter divide we now have in scotland there is no need for it to descend to anything. I have very strong _iews on this subject and alot of folk I know and speak to have almost polar opposite _iews. yup we both believe the others barking mad but after alls said and done we can see the merits of the points the other raises it is a more sad stste of affairs that most topics in scotland have a high probability of degenerating back to two football teams "There'd be no need for it to descend into anything if the Nats would accept the settled democratic will of the Scottish people. Sadly, they won't. They just sit and greet about how they wis robbed. | |||
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"Ill be so glad when this post hits 175 entries! And yes i know i could just not read it but i cant help myself ... Torn between the passion i have for politics and the sadness at the way it all descends into petty digs and the bitter divide we now have in scotland there is no need for it to descend to anything. I have very strong _iews on this subject and alot of folk I know and speak to have almost polar opposite _iews. yup we both believe the others barking mad but after alls said and done we can see the merits of the points the other raises it is a more sad stste of affairs that most topics in scotland have a high probability of degenerating back to two football teams
There'd be no need for it to descend into anything if the Nats would accept the settled democratic will of the Scottish people.
Sadly, they won't. They just sit and greet about how they wis robbed."so we should just accept whatever whenever ? They believe their point of _iew is correct and last time I checked a fair proportion of folk agreed with them.they have every right to put that across to the people same as any other party. I may not agree with them but they have every right to fight their corner | |||
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" There'd be no need for it to descend into anything if the Nats would accept the settled democratic will of the Scottish people. Sadly, they won't. They just sit and greet about how they wis robbed. so we should just accept whatever whenever ? They believe their point of _iew is correct and last time I checked a fair proportion of folk agreed with them.they have every right to put that across to the people same as any other party. I may not agree with them but they have every right to fight their corner" Salmond and Sturgeon insisted this was a once in a generation/ once in a lifetime opportunity yet within a few days of a resounding defeat, they wanted a second go????? Aye right. | |||
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" There'd be no need for it to descend into anything if the Nats would accept the settled democratic will of the Scottish people. Sadly, they won't. They just sit and greet about how they wis robbed. so we should just accept whatever whenever ? They believe their point of _iew is correct and last time I checked a fair proportion of folk agreed with them.they have every right to put that across to the people same as any other party. I may not agree with them but they have every right to fight their corner Salmond and Sturgeon insisted this was a once in a generation/ once in a lifetime opportunity yet within a few days of a resounding defeat, they wanted a second go????? Aye and Cameron promised us the earth if we voted NO, Aye right Aye right." | |||
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" ............. Salmond and Sturgeon insisted this was a once in a generation/ once in a lifetime opportunity yet within a few days of a resounding defeat, they wanted a second go????? Aye and Cameron promised us the earth if we voted NO, Aye right " And you believed him? lolololololol | |||
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"I do wonder if the Yes campaign had won.... would the No's be any different and would the Yes want another vote....." Ive had the same thoughts _iew, one of the things ive found is that many people (on both sides) who are still discussing the subject suffer from an extreme case of confirmation bias and cant get their heads round the concept. | |||
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"scotland can go it on her own england is scared too let us leave its not snp or labour or torys choice its scotlands choice we have been knocked down and opressed for centurys its time we showed the world WE ARE A NATION we can stand alone and we will survive we did under the romans and the saxons and the english i didnt fight in the scottish regiments for the uk i did it for SCOTLAND no one else NEMO ME IMPUNE LASCESSIT up the royals " Scotland's choice. Scotland chose. Scotland chose No. You lost. | |||
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"scotland can go it on her own england is scared too let us leave its not snp or labour or torys choice its scotlands choice we have been knocked down and opressed for centurys its time we showed the world WE ARE A NATION we can stand alone and we will survive we did under the romans and the saxons and the english i didnt fight in the scottish regiments for the uk i did it for SCOTLAND no one else NEMO ME IMPUNE LASCESSIT up the royals " I think you need to go back to your history books and check up on Scottish history. The Romans did invade Scotland and there are Roman roads in bearsden. So, by your opinion, because julius Caesar didn't go all the way to Caithness then that is a sufficient reason to vote for independence. | |||
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" Aye and Cameron promised us the earth if we voted NO, Aye right " Any links to what Cameron promised? | |||
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"Footlover, as you are so sure Scotland can survive on its own maybe you could explain fiscal policy to generate enough income to fund it all. As for lying, the snp have managed that very nicely. You might remember them saying that last year's vote was a once in a lifetime event but barely a day goes by without one of their number banging on about some imaginary grievance which would trigger a second vote. My vote was not based on fear, lies or promises but on what I believed was best for Scotland. I made that decision and have no reason to doubt I made the wrong one. " you don't but plenty others do if opinion polls are anything to go by add that to the declining no voters and the increasing yes voters in the extremes of ages the vote will eventually turn no into yes and many dreams will be realized and yes you'll counter that many nightmares will also your right but it will stop the ones yes voters are having now | |||
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"Footlover, as you are so sure Scotland can survive on its own maybe you could explain fiscal policy to generate enough income to fund it all. As for lying, the snp have managed that very nicely. You might remember them saying that last year's vote was a once in a lifetime event but barely a day goes by without one of their number banging on about some imaginary grievance which would trigger a second vote. My vote was not based on fear, lies or promises but on what I believed was best for Scotland. I made that decision and have no reason to doubt I made the wrong one. you don't but plenty others do if opinion polls are anything to go by add that to the declining no voters and the increasing yes voters in the extremes of ages the vote will eventually turn no into yes and many dreams will be realized and yes you'll counter that many nightmares will also your right but it will stop the ones yes voters are having now" Izzat what the losing side are relying on? Older folk dying off. You, the Yes campaign, had your chance and you blew it. Grow up and get on with life. | |||
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"Footlover, as you are so sure Scotland can survive on its own maybe you could explain fiscal policy to generate enough income to fund it all. As for lying, the snp have managed that very nicely. You might remember them saying that last year's vote was a once in a lifetime event but barely a day goes by without one of their number banging on about some imaginary grievance which would trigger a second vote. My vote was not based on fear, lies or promises but on what I believed was best for Scotland. I made that decision and have no reason to doubt I made the wrong one. you don't but plenty others do if opinion polls are anything to go by add that to the declining no voters and the increasing yes voters in the extremes of ages the vote will eventually turn no into yes and many dreams will be realized and yes you'll counter that many nightmares will also your right but it will stop the ones yes voters are having now Izzat what the losing side are relying on? Older folk dying off. You, the Yes campaign, had your chance and you blew it. Grow up and get on with life." no that's just a fact but it's the one demographic that were scared witless with stories in Tory mainstream press about how their pension would be stopped just one of many scare stories invented by project fear aided an abetted by MNM | |||
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"How come everything the former 'Yes' campaign disagree with is automatically classed as Westminster spin or 'Project Fear' " because project fear was what no campaign named it themselves there was no legal route to stop pensions yet they printed the story shortly before the vote what do you call that it's certainly not cricket | |||
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