FabSwingers.com forum: the refugee crisis

By *akedninja OP Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

Should we offer them refuge or not? Are they genuine or not? What are everyone's views on the subject as im very interested to see what the general consensus is on the subject

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Yes we should....refugees need our help..just as long as the gov can distinquish refugees from migrants

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By *akedninja OP Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Yes we should....refugees need our help..just as long as the gov can distinquish refugees from migrants

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or terrorists as the media according to the media which must be true because the media would never lie about such a thing would it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we shouldn't, Scotland is poor enough, there are family's in parts of Scotland living in 3rd world situations, yes asylum seekers need a safe place but it isn't our problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are only a refugee when you cross into the first "safe" country, after that you are an immigrant. All these immigrants trying to get to Germany, Sweden or wherever, if they were that desperate they would be grateful for ANY refuge without forcing there way through umpteen borders

Keep them out

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By *ishaw girlMan
over a year ago

motherwell

Not our problem were bombing the feck out there homes they dont want to leave there countries its a case they need to how the worlds changed people believe the bbc makes me laugh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not our problem were bombing the feck out there homes they dont want to leave there countries its a case they need to how the worlds changed people believe the bbc makes me laugh"
actually all the refugees right now are from Syria & a believe they're running from they're own people, some of the videos I've seen from Syria of big crowds in the middle of the street watching kids cut the heads off of enemy soldiers then all the kids running around playing football with the heads I'm going to say nothing to do with us

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Charity begins at home,Why dont the government put British citizens first for once,Maybe if these people actually joined together and fought the enemy,then maybe their countries would improve.....in stead of leaving the first chance they get...

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Bit controversial but sort our own land first. Then sort the problems we cause (alot of the troubles on the planet we have a hand in). I dont even mean just footfall alot of the equipment doing the damage in the yemen british and american.

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By *earded blossomCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Sort out our own first along with our own problems. How much of Britain was bombed over the last century? Did we run or did we stand and fight while repairing our towns and cities? Yes women and children in genuine need of help but grown men who should be standing and fighting? End of the day the pictures of drowning babies n such? Was no need for that as they were already in a safe place but they wanted further in towards the richer parts of Europe.

End of the day our country is already on its knees, the politicians are just using this whole crisis as a distraction tool rather than fix our problems...

John

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.. feel sorry for the genuine cases.. but the pics of all these big muscley young men claiming to be refugees is offputting.. ISIS are getting what they want

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By *exywheelsCouple
over a year ago

inverness

Remember the stranger, for you were strangers in Egypt.

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By *akedninja OP Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Remember the stranger, for you were strangers in Egypt."
well said

a stranger is a friend we have yet to make..Einstein was a refugee and he brought much with him to enrich the world

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By *lawless doveWoman
over a year ago

bothwell

It saddens me when I see service men homeless, pensioners struggling to heat and feed themselves due to cuts, working families who hardly see each other as they are having to work extra hours just to survive.

Then I see migrants with council houses, council tax free and benefits. Help and support from all different government departments all at tax payers expense especially the afore mention section.

There are thousands of genuine asylum seekers and we should be offering them refuge. However I stil see the uk as being the country at the end of the rainbow for a lot of others.

There is no right or wrong answer and I apologise if I have offended anyone.

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By *earded blossomCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Don't apologise, you are only speaking the truth

Most of these refuges only need to travel a few hundred miles to safety but they chose to travel thousands of miles for benefits and a "new life"

John

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bear in mind these people are literally fleeing for their lives. The instability in their home countries has been permitted by policies of our successive governments over years and I'm afraid it is very much our problem.

It is also sad to hear people talking about helping "our own" first etc. I'm pretty sure that wee boy on the beach was as human as your own children.

And please don't be taken in by the "a lot of lone males coming over." There are many reasons for this (and it is also not the case as much as you are being led to believe) but people need to do a bit of reading on this.

On a final point - my work would simply cease to function and people would literally die, if I weren't for all the immigrants.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they were so desperate for "refuge" they would be grateful as soon as they were in Turkey or any safe country but no they are picking and choosing and trying to go much further afield.

They were refugees till they the fled Turkey, now they are illegal immigrants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From the videos I have seen online in turkey I wouldn't want any of them here as they are throwing away the water and food that the governments are handing out...

The sheer arrogance of some of them refusing help and housing just to come to the uk and live a easy life and get paid benefits that some of the homeless cant get, or the people who fought in wars are being forced on the streets because of immigrants /asylums ...

But that's just my opinion!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck them

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

" ......

On a final point - my work would simply cease to function and people would literally die, if I weren't for all the immigrants."

That sounds, and I hope I'm wrong, as if you're making money out of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" ......

That sounds, and I hope I'm wrong, as if you're making money out of them."

Not quite. I'm talking healthcare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just feel we have enough problems in Scotland and UK on a whole so sort our own people first before we go flying into this but usual we would rather help others..

Pretty sure we have plenty poor family's and homeless people right under our nose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just feel we have enough problems in Scotland and UK on a whole so sort our own people first before we go flying into this but usual we would rather help others..

Pretty sure we have plenty poor family's and homeless people right under our nose"

Are they being shot? Are they being shot dead?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We'll we are the ones that make money out of war. I seen a report last night that Saudi is bombing the hell out of the Yemen. With tornados and typhoons form the uk. We train them as we'll making over a billion. Yet no one hears about it. Yet there even bombing the camps. ( a war crime ) As the Saudis are on our side. So it's ok to bomb kids and women as long as it's in our name. We have such high morals when we think we are right. Or so Westminster would have us believe. We'll not in my name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just feel we have enough problems in Scotland and UK on a whole so sort our own people first before we go flying into this but usual we would rather help others..

Pretty sure we have plenty poor family's and homeless people right under our nose

Are they being shot? Are they being shot dead?"

Outside Syria are they being shot? Are they being shot dead?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

" ......

That sounds, and I hope I'm wrong, as if you're making money out of them.

Not quite. I'm talking healthcare."

Is that different? You're being paid to look after them?

Many a publicly financed multi million pound charity with six figure £ executives has started out as a twinkle in a chancer's eye.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" ......

Is that different? You're being paid to look after them?

Many a publicly financed multi million pound charity with six figure £ executives has started out as a twinkle in a chancer's eye."

You've lost me. Look after who?

I'm talking about the nhs! If you have ever had surgery in Scotland or anywhere in the UK for that matter, you would have had a significant longer wait and perhaps lesser quality treatment of it weren't for immigrants (or expats as we'd call them if they were white).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Outside Syria are they being shot? Are they being shot dead?"

Right ok so the nearest countries should shoulder the burden? As soon as they are out of Syria they should just settle there, yeah?

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

People are being shot yes they are but that really isnt our problem thats the countrys who are shoting each others problem. Humanitarian feelings and deeds are good upto a point why are we so prepared to help those who flee across multiple borders to reach our shores but little or no apathy for the plight of our own people. Wee tam face down in the clyde would also be a powerful image but thats not big news. I do feel sympathy for other nations problems but I believe we should fix our own before dipping our hands in others cesspools

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

" ......

Is that different? You're being paid to look after them?

Many a publicly financed multi million pound charity with six figure £ executives has started out as a twinkle in a chancer's eye.

You've lost me. Look after who?

Has anyone ever worked out the burden placed on the NHS by immigrants/ expats versus the savings (waiting lists etc) brought about by doctors etc from overseas?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are being shot yes they are but that really isnt our problem thats the countrys who are shoting each others problem. Humanitarian feelings and deeds are good upto a point why are we so prepared to help those who flee across multiple borders to reach our shores but little or no apathy for the plight of our own people. Wee tam face down in the clyde would also be a powerful image but thats not big news. I do feel sympathy for other nations problems but I believe we should fix our own before dipping our hands in others cesspools"

Here, here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here, here"

Yep not like we had anything to do with bombing or invading anyone. You must be like Tony Blair. Nothing to do with him then. He never took us to war or sod all. Denial is no defence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a bloody depressing thread this is. We are a nation that has invaded the entire world and a nation that has our citizens living in every coner of the globe and we are complaining about immigrants.

We say we should help our own first but when was the last time you carried a food parcel into a food bank?

WE destabilised that region. We did it. Read more books and less tabloids.

The amount of ignorance of actual facts present here is utterly depressing and with every utterance of "them" v "our own" makes us a little less human.

We all began from one continent and spread out throughout the world, migrating and integrating. But now it's them and us and their lives are not as valuable as ours.

Shameful.

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By *gowbhoy4funMan
over a year ago

glasgow

Wait til some of these ""refugees"" start bombing and killing ppl in britain then feel sorry for them !!... Obv theres gen ones but theres def some with other motives !!

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By *earded blossomCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What a bloody depressing thread this is. We are a nation that has invaded the entire world and a nation that has our citizens living in every coner of the globe and we are complaining about immigrants.

We say we should help our own first but when was the last time you carried a food parcel into a food bank?

WE destabilised that region. We did it. Read more books and less tabloids.

The amount of ignorance of actual facts present here is utterly depressing and with every utterance of "them" v "our own" makes us a little less human.

We all began from one continent and spread out throughout the world, migrating and integrating. But now it's them and us and their lives are not as valuable as ours.

Shameful. "

I don't think that's what people mean... I myself come from an Italian father who came here many years ago. He has never claimed a benefit, has put taxes etc in to our country from his businesses yet after nearly 50 years he is not allowed a British passport or citizenship. I myself don't have a problem with helping other countries but not at the expense of our own. And yes we regularly donate to the local food bank. K x

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Whats shameful is trying to teach folk to suck eggs people are entitled to their own views and contrary to your belief not everyone believes or gains knowledge from tabloids. We may all be the one being. But our collective beliefs vary. Give your opinion by all means even debate the differing views but to place yourself as the all seeing eye or give yourself godlike status because you believe your interpretation is right. Is that not where most problems start

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not 100% but I'm sure it was the British government that has armed these "terrorist" in the first place, the media and the government are not reliable sources of info. Propaganda springs to mind, they don't help there own because it's not profitable but taking in "refugees" etc will result in our army needing to go into to another war torn country to make our government rich. The British government once owned 90% of the world the most common used language of the world is English then you look at a map and see how much that our nations gulf us in size. We the British have made this mess in the first place. This is only my opinion I'm not clued up but history shows that this is how we work. We are too blame ie the British government

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"I'm not 100% but I'm sure it was the British government that has armed these "terrorist" in the first place, the media and the government are not reliable sources of info. Propaganda springs to mind, they don't help there own because it's not profitable but taking in "refugees" etc will result in our army needing to go into to another war torn country to make our government rich. The British government once owned 90% of the world the most common used language of the world is English then you look at a map and see how much that our nations gulf us in size. We the British have made this mess in the first place. This is only my opinion I'm not clued up but history shows that this is how we work. We are too blame ie the British government "
with this argument you could keep backtracking though pesky romans did it. Lol its not countrys that do it its those who have the power and claim to speak for that nation.

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By *akedninja OP Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Wait til some of these ""refugees"" start bombing and killing ppl in britain then feel sorry for them !!... Obv theres gen ones but theres def some with other motives !! "
you mean like we've been doing to them for years?just saying

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By *akedninja OP Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

"I'm not 100% but I'm sure it was the British government that has armed these "terrorist" in the first place, the media and the government are not reliable sources of info. Propaganda springs to mind, they don't help there own because it's not profitable but taking in "refugees" etc will result in our army needing to go into to another war torn country to make our government rich. The British government once owned 90% of the world the most common used language of the world is English then you look at a map and see how much that our nations gulf us in size. We the British have made this mess in the first place. This is only my opinion I'm not clued up but history shows that this is how we work. We are too blame ie the British government "
well stated, supremely valid points you raised and im impressed with your level of intelligence,education and common sense and decency ...too many people are more inclined to pick up the sun newspaper and allow themselves to be spoonfed skewered facts that paint a very tainted picture of the refugee crisis because at the end of the day that's what sells papers and it's all part and parcel of the fear tactic's employed by the government and media to keep the sheeple bleeting suppressed bah bah rainbow color sheep

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By *gowbhoy4funMan
over a year ago

glasgow

"Wait til some of these ""refugees"" start bombing and killing ppl in britain then feel sorry for them !!... Obv theres gen ones but theres def some with other motives !! you mean like we've been doing to them for years?just saying"

Dont think ISIS have been around for years have they ? We are taking ppl in n have no idea who thy are ....meanwhile the govt are cutting just abt every benefit ppl get ...OAPs etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not 100% but I'm sure it was the British government that has armed these "terrorist" in the first place, the media and the government are not reliable sources of info. Propaganda springs to mind, they don't help there own because it's not profitable but taking in "refugees" etc will result in our army needing to go into to another war torn country to make our government rich. The British government once owned 90% of the world the most common used language of the world is English then you look at a map and see how much that our nations gulf us in size. We the British have made this mess in the first place. This is only my opinion I'm not clued up but history shows that this is how we work. We are too blame ie the British government with this argument you could keep backtracking though pesky romans did it. Lol its not countrys that do it its those who have the power and claim to speak for that nation."

We armed them we trained them, its those ppl who are in power that send our troops to kill to line there pockets. The argument here is refugees which there would be zero of if we as a country (Britain , British government etc ) had never stuck our noses in there business in the first place. The ppl in power all over the world work to profit ie oil gas , that's what 99% of war is based on just because the BBC and British media tell you it's to help other people this is not the case they always have a hidden agenda. For examples Google the Iraq afghan war. It's like asking your mammy if your good looking she's always going to tell you that you are, the same way the British will always tell us that they are the "good guys". The same thing goes with charity, every year we send millions to poor countries so why not just help our own people the reason being it's not profitable. There is plenty of other issues in the world in other countries that are similar to Iraq afghan Iran etc but they have no resources ( oil gas etc) therefore it's not worth sending troops there to be killed for nothing but there more than happy to kill thousands of British troops if they gain something from it. As for the Romans comment............ They never had guns

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

Some of the scenes shown on tv are obviously very sad and distressing.

However, my concern is that too many people seem to be living in a different world, and a different country to mine. Even a different planet! A major concern right now is the number of people having to depend on food banks for survival, but it appears that suddenly we have the money to provide for thousands and tens of thousands of additional people to enter the UK.

Every public utility and facility is going to be put under extreme pressure, councils are already running large deficits.

Has somebody suddenly found money trees growing on an isolated Sutherland moor???

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By *earded blossomCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Some of the scenes shown on tv are obviously very sad and distressing.

Every public utility and facility is going to be put under extreme pressure, councils are already running large deficits.

Has somebody suddenly found money trees growing on an isolated Sutherland moor???

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

We stick our noses in or sorry our govt do because we want what they have. you cant complain about that as you type in your new phone or computer. If you dont agree with their policys remove them from power if enough agree it will happen. Kind of get the sense not many will do without those comforts we all love though. With a diffrent thought process it could be profitable to help our own.as for the romans overwhelming power is the equivelant of one country having superior weaponary against another.the question was about refugees and my answer was simple if we cant take care of our own nation we certainly cant take care of refugees

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By *gowbhoy4funMan
over a year ago

glasgow

If there was money to be made from bombing or taking action against Isis it wouldve been done ....£££ only reason iraq war happened !!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm astonished by the 'these conditions aren't good enough' claims by refugees/ immigrants and the 'volunteers' supporting them.

Are they better than those you left? Well done. Enjoy.

Are they worse? Go back home. We've run out of ***** hotels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if we cant take care of our own nation we certainly cant take care of refugees"

You honestly think we don't have enough space, food and resources to feed and house our own? Of course we do! The fact that we allow those in need not to have is because our government is a cruel, greedy one.

They are not here for a better life, they are here for a life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm astonished by the 'these conditions aren't good enough' claims by refugees/ immigrants and the 'volunteers' supporting them.

Are they better than those you left? Well done. Enjoy.

Are they worse? Go back home. We've run out of ***** hotels."

Ladies and gentlemen - this is what reading tabloid "journalism" does to you.

It is much easier to get through your life thinking this way. It's less troubling than admitting your government has blood on its hands and we collectively have to act.

Hard hitting headlines like this sell papers to people like the poster above. It sounds so dramatic and it feels good to have a good moan.

But it is false of course.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm astonished by the 'these conditions aren't good enough' claims by refugees/ immigrants and the 'volunteers' supporting them.

Are they better than those you left? Well done. Enjoy.

Are they worse? Go back home. We've run out of ***** hotels.

Ladies and gentlemen - this is what reading tabloid "journalism" does to you.

It is much easier to get through your life thinking this way. It's less troubling than admitting your government has blood on its hands and we collectively have to act.

Hard hitting headlines like this sell papers to people like the poster above. It sounds so dramatic and it feels good to have a good moan.

But it is false of course. "

The volunteer in question appeared, live, on television. No obvious sign of editing.

Don't judge others by your own standards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm astonished by the 'these conditions aren't good enough' claims by refugees/ immigrants and the 'volunteers' supporting them.

Are they better than those you left? Well done. Enjoy.

The volunteer in question appeared, live, on television. No obvious sign of editing.

Don't judge others by your own standards."

The volunteer in question then. Not an actual refugee. Not a refugee moaning about poor facilities as your post implied.

Volunteers are correct to appeal for more help, more aid, more donations to help these people.

Amnest international I'm sure would be pleading for people and governments to help improve facilities for these desperate people.

Makes a bit more sense now doesn't it? A little less dramatic and emotional than your tabloid effort?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had a read through the many posts on this subject.People saying "our country is on its knees'"ect..Utter rubbish!We are one of the richest countries in the world probable due to the fact we took over and pillaged many other countries in years gone by.We also pay hundreds of " titled ' hangers on £300 a day to sleep on leather sofas in the House of Lords .Most of the refugees are fleeing war and Islamic State.If I was living in these conditions with children I would try to give them a better live or at least the chance to live.what would you do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a lot of people where to look through there family history they would more than likely find that there own families where once refugees. Why not help the people in need? I for one believe we should help these poor people

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By *akedninja OP Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

most of the people here who are saying that we should send them back to where they come from have understandably never really experienced what it's like to live in a place where life is cheap and death is daily, unfortunately for me i've been in similar circumstances and i know exactly what it's like for these poor people and im willing to offer any help and assistance to them to allow them to live which is a right that we're all entitled to but something that we don't wan't to give to others ....i have a spare bed and enough food and love and kindness in my heart to share with others worse off than myself...where is the love people? negative attitudes are what leads to so much hate and division amongst mankind ...let's increase the peace!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm astonished by the 'these conditions aren't good enough' claims by refugees/ immigrants and the 'volunteers' supporting them.

Are they better than those you left? Well done. Enjoy.

The volunteer in question appeared, live, on television. No obvious sign of editing.

Don't judge others by your own standards.

The volunteer in question then. Not an actual refugee. Not a refugee moaning about poor facilities as your post implied.

Volunteers are correct to appeal for more help, more aid, more donations to help these people.

Amnest international I'm sure would be pleading for people and governments to help improve facilities for these desperate people.

Makes a bit more sense now doesn't it? A little less dramatic and emotional than your tabloid effort? "

My post " claims by refugees/ immigrants and the 'volunteers' supporting them" makes it clear to rational folk I was talking about refugees AND volunteers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What did the refugee say?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What did the refugee say?"

"A three bed in Surbiton with a garage will suit us nicely."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most of the people here who are saying that we should send them back to where they come from have understandably never really experienced what it's like to live in a place where life is cheap and death is daily, unfortunately for me i've been in similar circumstances and i know exactly what it's like for these poor people and im willing to offer any help and assistance to them to allow them to live which is a right that we're all entitled to but something that we don't wan't to give to others ....i have a spare bed and enough food and love and kindness in my heart to share with others worse off than myself...where is the love people? negative attitudes are what leads to so much hate and division amongst mankind ...let's increase the peace!

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews

For me it's pretty simple - if we can help, we should. Refugees, immigrants and 'benefit scroungers' are three separate issues, don't mix them up.

And on a day where loss of life is being mourned on a global scale, it saddens me to see the lack of compassion on display here.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

One of the most galling things for me has been watching politicians trying to make politicial gains out of the situation. All those claiming they would take in a refugee, why haven't they agreed to take in someone who is homeless before now?

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"For me it's pretty simple - if we can help, we should. Refugees, immigrants and 'benefit scroungers' are three separate issues, don't mix them up.

And on a day where loss of life is being mourned on a global scale, it saddens me to see the lack of compassion on display here."
benefit scroungers there is true compassion and understanding right there try talking to some of these folk you may get a better picture and clearer understanding of the problems they face either that or get out the tarring brushes

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"For me it's pretty simple - if we can help, we should. Refugees, immigrants and 'benefit scroungers' are three separate issues, don't mix them up.

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A 100% reliable way of telling the difference would help.

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews

"For me it's pretty simple - if we can help, we should. Refugees, immigrants and 'benefit scroungers' are three separate issues, don't mix them up.

And on a day where loss of life is being mourned on a global scale, it saddens me to see the lack of compassion on display here.

benefit scroungers there is true compassion and understanding right there try talking to some of these folk you may get a better picture and clearer understanding of the problems they face either that or get out the tarring brushes"

If you'd read my post properly you would have seen that 'benefit scroungers' is in inverted commas. The reason being that some seem to think that people come here only to get free housing and benefits, which is not true.

Reading a post properly will save future embarrassment.

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews

"For me it's pretty simple - if we can help, we should. Refugees, immigrants and 'benefit scroungers' are three separate issues, don't mix them up.

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A 100% reliable way of telling the difference would help."

Nothing is 100% reliable.

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By *yrshiremischiefMan
over a year ago

Kilmarnock

We say we should help our own first but when was the last time you carried a food parcel into a food bank?

WE destabilised that region. We did it. Read more books and less tabloids.

The amount of ignorance of actual facts present here is utterly depressing and with every utterance of "them" v "our own" makes us a little less human.

We all began from one continent and spread out throughout the world, migrating and integrating. But now it's them and us and their lives are not as valuable as ours.

Shameful. "

We did indeed invade/colonize and exploit the rest of the world. We still reap the benefits. I say we - I'm the Son of immigrants - I know my ancestry and my history - and I'm a Scot. That is secondary to being a sentient being.

I volunteer at a Foodbank - and my experience there is shaped by the deserving/deserted and the can't be arsed getting out of bed in the morning.

One world and one people - some good and some bad - We're not defined/confined by our col

our, belief or absence thereof.

I've read some posts saying that Scotland is poor - nonsense. There are certainly people who could be doing better - especially those afflicted by zero hours and minimum wage contracts. I'm doing my best to challenge those things - I've had hard times.

I know that we need to be cautious about who we admit - but I suspect fewer regrets with an open heart than a closed one...

We all need to try harder.

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By *earded blossomCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

One thing I'm noticing about this post is that some people fear speaking out in case they are branded as inhuman or racist?

Personally I'm far from racist but my views are easily misguided and labeled as racist from other narrow minded folk on the other side of the fence.... Or their parents sofa

I've got friends from every community, my wife is Italian and a Roman Catholic background whereas I'm born English and adopted into a Scottish family, yes help those that need it but not the ones just looking for an easy life and handouts

Personally we give back via donations to food banks plus one of my businesses donated money to a children's charity as part of the profits, also as many of you will know that I've for a just giving page that I'll have folk donate to rather than pay me for jobs or when it comes to my birthday n such I'd rather see the money go to the more unfortunate

In a perfect world we'd all just get along but in reality that just doesn't happen sadly

One love - one life

John

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This whole thing reeks of the referendum build up. Anyone who dares say anything against the immigrants is branded a racist, bigot whatever just as anyone who dared say anything against the yes campaign was a "Tory bastard" or whatever

All these born again Marxists, lefty doo-gooders who just love to jump on the political point scoring wagon all just to simply "get one over on the tories" is utterly pathetic

For what it's worth I was a yes voter but didn't go as far to ridicule other people's decisions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This whole thing reeks of the referendum build up. Anyone who dares say anything against the immigrants is branded a racist, bigot whatever just as anyone who dared say anything against the yes campaign was a "Tory bastard" or whatever

All these born again Marxists, lefty doo-gooders who just love to jump on the political point scoring wagon all just to simply "get one over on the tories" is utterly pathetic

For what it's worth I was a yes voter but didn't go as far to ridicule other people's decisions"

Maybe a wee bit away on s tangent but the idea is the same

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By *abbit jessicaCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Wow!!!! Is this a swingers site or a goverment web page I have intruded!!! Really!! Ok so my thoughts are if you's are concerned about the homeless and poor living in glasgow help them!!! As for these refugees (help seekers) running from what ever they wish (Isis) (war) what can we do NOTHING we are sitting on our asses at home voicing our opinion when really thts all it is an opinion!!! David cameron or Obama can't fix it so y do we debate!!! To make uz feel better!! No to feel big No!! So let just swing at let them deal with that shit!! Because at the moment I have crouchless panties and a see threw bra on can anyone help

mayb buy me a bra and pants from asda

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By *earded blossomCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Wow!!!! Is this a swingers site or a goverment web page I have intruded!!! Really!! Ok so my thoughts are if you's are concerned about the homeless and poor living in glasgow help them!!! As for these refugees (help seekers) running from what ever they wish (Isis) (war) what can we do NOTHING we are sitting on our asses at home voicing our opinion when really thts all it is an opinion!!! David cameron or Obama can't fix it so y do we debate!!! To make uz feel better!! No to feel big No!! So let just swing at let them deal with that shit!! Because at the moment I have crouchless panties and a see threw bra on can anyone help

mayb buy me a bra and pants from asda

Ohhh whatsapp us pics cuz

John

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By *earded blossomCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

mayb buy me a bra and pants from asda

Oohhh do you photographic proof of this underwear?

K x

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By *abbit jessicaCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Mayb or mayb no lol xx

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

For what it's worth I was a yes voter but didn't go as far to ridicule other people's decisions"

Of course not. The 'other people's decision' won.

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By *abbit jessicaCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

U what's app me pic for pic ??

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok refugees flee an unsafe war torn land. One across the border into a place of safety then okay I've no problem with giving aid but for them to almost demand settlement wherever they choose is taking the biscuit.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Ok refugees flee an unsafe war torn land. One across the border into a place of safety then okay I've no problem with giving aid but for them to almost demand settlement wherever they choose is taking the biscuit. "

You have just taken the words right out of my mouth.

Once they leave a safe country like Turkey to move to Europe then their status changes from refugee to economic migrant as they are choosing to look for a better life rather than safety from war.

My son's girlfriend is german and their is deep concern about the numberz being let in and the cost to the country. There has already been trouble with the migrants clashing with locals.

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By *ifes journeyCouple
over a year ago

scotland

Funny how non of these refugees are crossing borders and seas to the middle eastern states.....

People are been brain washed by the UK media into thinking they have to do something. They are just sheep, doing it for fear of ridicule from their pals if they don't show support. Apparently there are vigils been held across Scotland today in support of the migrants. Cant remember when people held vigils and demanded help for all the homeless there already is in the UK - some of which are pensioners who fought in the world wars.

(Mr)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Funny how non of these refugees are crossing borders and seas to the middle eastern states.....

(Mr)"

Anyone who doesn't agree sadly is called a racist. It's the world that we live in unfortunately

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By *G CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Newton Stewart

Seems the need to publicly show the most compassion is fast becoming a competitive sport. Reminds me so much of the extreme hysteria about the death of Princess Diana.

As so many have said, once refugees start demanding which countries they want to live in they become migrants. And if they force then their way in they are illegal immigrants.

It's those left behind, those who cannot afford to pay the people smugglers, the women, children, old and infirm who really deserve our help, not the numerous able bodied young men we see in the media.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Seems the need to publicly show the most compassion is fast becoming a competitive sport. Reminds me so much of the extreme hysteria about the death of Princess Diana.

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And about who can make the most ridiculous 'waving hands in front of the eyes' gestures as if to indicate an inability to hold back tears.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

The population of Syria numbers millions add Libya Sudan Somalia its countless millions

If we take a few thousand where does it end, it does not end

It's not an escape from war it's an invasion. they don't want safety or else they would be grateful to land on europes shores and not then demand which country they want to go to

I'm sure the loony left and I include the deluded snp would say yes we should take them all

Our country is losing its identity flood it with Muslims and say goodnight to Liberty as we know it

These people are not our friends

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By *akedninja OP Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Funny how non of these refugees are crossing borders and seas to the middle eastern states.....

(Mr)

Anyone who doesn't agree sadly is called a racist. It's the world that we live in unfortunately "
your not necessarily a racist if you'd rather poor women and children to be sent back to their war torn countries that we've had a hand in creating, that my friend is something completely different...racism is where you don't wan't them here specifically for the fact that their from another country

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By *akedninja OP Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Funny how non of these refugees are crossing borders and seas to the middle eastern states.....

(Mr)"
there are countless individuals and organisations that pro-actively partake in assisting the issue of homeless people in the uk and to deny their very existence is to undermine and disregard the good work that they do in the community

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By *akedninja OP Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

"One thing I'm noticing about this post is that some people fear speaking out in case they are branded as inhuman or racist?

Personally I'm far from racist but my views are easily misguided and labeled as racist from other narrow minded folk on the other side of the fence.... Or their parents sofa

In a perfect world we'd all just get along but in reality that just doesn't happen sadly

One love - one life

John

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lol folk that start a sentence with "im not racist ..but.." generally are racist in my ample experience on the subject, the fact is that they're human beings who are entitled to life,liberty,compassion and consideration like the rest of us, not to mention that many of them are running from wars and situations that have been created by our very own government, i dare say that many reading this post are indeed not concerned about speaking out against the refugee's for fear of being branded a racist otherwise they wouldn't be voicing their unfounded fears and misguided concerns

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who is kidding who here trying to cerebrally dissect a human tragedy on a sex site

Feck off and stick to the reasons why we are all on this site in the first place

Close this thread down please

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By *akedninja OP Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Who is kidding who here trying to cerebrally dissect a human tragedy on a sex site

Feck off and stick to the reasons why we are all on this site in the first place

Close this thread down please "
lol why don't you go and complain on every other single non swinging related post in the forum and whilst your at it take your own advice before you shut yourself down with your negativity buddy

im pretty sure such abuse is not permitted on the forums

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