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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There's plenty of socials posted on the Scotland board. Many, if not all, aimed at raising money for good causes.

Might it be better if admission charges to these events were lower and simply designed purely to cover the cost of running the event and attendees made an individual donation to the charity in question in order that the charity benefit from the 28% Gift Aid uplift currently available?

That way every £10 donated would benefit the charity to the tune of £12.80.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It sounds like you are inferring that the organisers are creaming the cost.

I have been to a few of the socials and can only say that the fees taken were to cover the cost of the venue and food, and no more, and they have always been fair prices.

Due to the cost being low, it leaves plenty more for the charity donations/raffles

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It sounds like you are inferring that the organisers are creaming the cost. "

I've inferred no such thing.


"I have been to a few of the socials and can only say that the fees taken were to cover the cost of the venue and food, and no more, and they have always been fair prices.

Due to the cost being low, it leaves plenty more for the charity donations/raffles "

Agreed but reducing the door charges would make the events accessible to even more folk whilst the charities in question would benefit from even more money due to Gift Aid. It's a win-win.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ive done a social my self so know some of the costs that needs to be taken in to concideration. most social tickets are 5-7 quid which is not much!!!

if u go to a club for the evening (dance not swingers club) ur talking about 5=10 to get in!!!!

i know for mine it was 5 quid each.. which got the venue, the dj and a buffet which to be honest is very good!!! any money that was left over as u can never gaurantee the amount of folk coming went to my charity...

socials have been organised for a long time and seem to work as no one is forced to go and they are always packed so folk must enjoy them and dont mind paying the 5 quid to get in x

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

The price of a social seems entirely accessible to me, but there is a good point about Gift Aid.

To be honest though I'd assume that when the organiser subsequently gives the charity their share of the entrance fee/raffle proceeds/ etc, THEY tick the Gift Aid box at that point, and the charity gets as much as Mr Voyeur suggests.

Does that not happen??

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm not suggesting socials aren't value for money.

I'm not suggesting folk ought to be forced to attend.

I'm not suggestingpeople mind payin a fiver (or whetever sum).

I'm pointing out there's a way the charities could benefit even more

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The price of a social seems entirely accessible to me, but there is a good point about Gift Aid.

To be honest though I'd assume that when the organiser subsequently gives the charity their share of the entrance fee/raffle proceeds/ etc, THEY tick the Gift Aid box at that point, and the charity gets as much as Mr Voyeur suggests.

Does that not happen??"

An event can't claim Gift Aid and an individual claiming gift aid on a large donation will attract the attention of HMRC.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

Fair enough.

Can charities not supply sheets similar to sponsorship forms that could be used to generate it?

Actually ... Social organiser is sponsored by every attendee to turn up for their own event. Everyone fills in the sponsorship form, ticks the Gift Aid box, all sorted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not keep them just as socials and not involve charity collections/donations at all?

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

Not that it bothers me in the slightest but it might be of concern to others that to qualify for your money to recieve "Gift Aid" you need to fill out all your contact details so the Taxman can trace who is giving what!

Again, it wouldn't bother me but some like to keep their address, etc a little more private and that is quite understandable!

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

You're right to say that it could be a concern to some...I always find I can get very forgetful and put an incorrect postcode - HMRC don't check handwritten lists of postcodes, do they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would never put my name/addy to anything fab related sorry .... and i agree with xix many ppl in their private lives contribute to a charity and dont always want to go out to every event and it be a charity night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with xix and tands, I do contribute to charity and prefer to do so privately

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought (and maybe I am wrong) that the person or people who organise the socials are the ones who are on the charity donation slip.

I went to a social, I paid my husbands and my admission (sorry prob wrong word but me brain isnt working), we then bought raffle tickets, we had fun went home.

A couple days later the person who was in charge of the social told us all what was raised and which charity the money was going to.

I assumed it was donated under their name not the 200 people who went to the social - therefore it is given as a one off donation from one person, so gift aid is able to be claimed.

Again I may be wrong but thats how I understood the charity donations from socials.

Also if each person pays a fiver for the social then the organiser isnt left out of pocket if many dont turn up on the night, like someone else said it pays for the entertainment, food and other such costs which have to be paid in advance. Even tho no one is sure if everyone will turn up on the night.

Shona

x x x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"..........

I assumed it was donated under their name not the 200 people who went to the social - therefore it is given as a one off donation from one person, so gift aid is able to be claimed.

.............. "

That's the scenario I mentioned above with might attract the attention of HMRC.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"i would never put my name/addy to anything fab related sorry .... and i agree with xix many ppl in their private lives contribute to a charity and dont always want to go out to every event and it be a charity night."

I'm not suggesting any sort of tie-up or connection. You pays your door charge directly to the organisers to cover the costs and you give your donation to the charity directly to the charity so they can claim the extremely worthwhile 28% extra from HMRC.

Nobody at Fab or the venue will have access to any personal details about you. The charity and the HMRC will have your address but will know nothing about the fact you attended a Fab social (unless you're daft enough to tell them).

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By *adcowWoman
over a year ago

kirkcaldy

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By *adcowWoman
over a year ago

kirkcaldy


"..........

I assumed it was donated under their name not the 200 people who went to the social - therefore it is given as a one off donation from one person, so gift aid is able to be claimed.

..............

That's the scenario I mentioned above with might attract the attention of HMRC."

would the same apply if the organiser stated it was from a whip round for charity held on the night of a private function????

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"..........

I assumed it was donated under their name not the 200 people who went to the social - therefore it is given as a one off donation from one person, so gift aid is able to be claimed.

..............

That's the scenario I mentioned above with might attract the attention of HMRC.

would the same apply if the organiser stated it was from a whip round for charity held on the night of a private function????"

No, they wouldn't be interested at all but the charity couldn't claim the valuable 28% Gift Aid uplift from HMRC. To get Gift Aid, donations to a charity have to come from post tax earning from a named indivual UK taxpayer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i do alot of charity work for Diabetes uk ,the donations i have given to the charity from the charity nights and other fund raising activitises i have done is usually done in the form of a bank cheque so there is no option for gift aid, to my knowledge its only on sponsor sheets and the like you can tick gift aid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh and p.s you can only tick gift aid if you are working

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why not keep them just as socials and not involve charity collections/donations at all?

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tottally agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I donated half the money raised at my social to a fellow forumite for her babies headstone, it was an official charity site.

I also saved the other half raised and donated it to race for life, which I ran in, it was put forward as sponsorship money and the gift aid was claimed. All money raised by socials goes to the charities of the organisers choice, it is often added to out of their own pockets to round it up and if gift aid is possible it is utilised. xxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would like to see more socials just being a social....an simply a social for people to relax and have fun !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why not keep them just as socials and not involve charity collections/donations at all?

tottally agree"

Even if no fund raising is done on the night, if there is ever anything left over from covering the cost of venue, buffet and entertainment that too is donated. xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"oh and p.s you can only tick gift aid if you are working "

Yes, the donation has to come from earned income on which you've paid UK tax.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"i do alot of charity work for Diabetes uk ,the donations i have given to the charity from the charity nights and other fund raising activitises i have done is usually done in the form of a bank cheque so there is no option for gift aid, to my knowledge its only on sponsor sheets and the like you can tick gift aid"

Diabetes UK should be able, and willing, to supply a Gift Aid form which you complete and return with your personal donation. This lets the charity claim and extra 28% from HMRC.

If you just have a big pot everyone throws money into the charity looses out in terms of Gift Aid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i would like to see more socials just being a social....an simply a social for people to relax and have fun !"
yip agree totally xx

auds n jas xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i do alot of charity work for Diabetes uk ,the donations i have given to the charity from the charity nights and other fund raising activitises i have done is usually done in the form of a bank cheque so there is no option for gift aid, to my knowledge its only on sponsor sheets and the like you can tick gift aid

Diabetes UK should be able, and willing, to supply a Gift Aid form which you complete and return with your personal donation. This lets the charity claim and extra 28% from HMRC.

If you just have a big pot everyone throws money into the charity looses out in terms of Gift Aid."

i dont work so unfortunatley i cant do this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i would like to see more socials just being a social....an simply a social for people to relax and have fun ! yip agree totally xx

auds n jas xx "

Most of the lunches are just that, everyone pays on the day for any food they have. No costs have to be covered for venue or entertainment.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"i do alot of charity work for Diabetes uk ,the donations i have given to the charity from the charity nights and other fund raising activitises i have done is usually done in the form of a bank cheque so there is no option for gift aid, to my knowledge its only on sponsor sheets and the like you can tick gift aid

Diabetes UK should be able, and willing, to supply a Gift Aid form which you complete and return with your personal donation. This lets the charity claim and extra 28% from HMRC.

If you just have a big pot everyone throws money into the charity looses out in terms of Gift Aid.

i dont work so unfortunatley i cant do this "

Why not give your donation to someone who does work and let them fill in the Gift Aid form. It's about the charity getting the money - not about who gets the credit for raising the money that counts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont take any of the credit , but it is a good idea getting someone else to donate it for me , i never thought of that thanks x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

socials should just be socials, however within minutes of posting the event i receieved abusive emails asking where any extra money would be going to if i made any profit on the night, thats why i decided to give any extra to chairty if it was made, to save me from any extra abuse. ( FYI for those people, i'm down over £200 so far and still havent got the food in yet)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

forget the food then atom dont loose any more not worth it babe and most goes to waste anyway xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"socials should just be socials, however within minutes of posting the event i receieved abusive emails asking where any extra money would be going to if i made any profit on the night, thats why i decided to give any extra to chairty if it was made, to save me from any extra abuse. ( FYI for those people, i'm down over £200 so far and still havent got the food in yet)"

Totally agree with this Elle and I think (may be wrong) thats this how the first few socials we went to were run.... charge between £5 and £10 each to get in and organiser said that any money left over would go to their charity of choice.

The only reason that the social we helped to organise had a charity element on the night was because thats how the original organiser (who ran off with the money, lol) had promoted it.

Personally though, I think that the raffles etc for charity have just got too much, its as if its a competition to see who can raise the most. Fine, spend a wee while on raffles etc but when its going on tooooooo long it just spoils the night.

Just my opinion, not meant to offend anyone and a last comment to those that do spend their time, effort and money to organise socials......Thank you very much for your hard work, it is certainly appreciated by Jo and myself. xxxx

Steve

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"forget the food then atom dont loose any more not worth it babe and most goes to waste anyway xxx"

I agree with P no point it thowing more money away.

Also (and not aiming this at anyone) it just shows that socials arent a money spinner for the organiser.

Shona

x x x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

cant wait for ppl to see the raffle, at the last count i think there was about 8 vibrators in there! should make the after parties a little different!

the food aint gonna be anything too amazing, altho the chocolate fountain is a must, i've been looking forward to that for months

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston


"cant wait for ppl to see the raffle, at the last count i think there was about 8 vibrators in there! should make the after parties a little different!

the food aint gonna be anything too amazing, altho the chocolate fountain is a must, i've been looking forward to that for months "

2 chocolate fountains 'tomic!!!!

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By *ountrypairCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

i think that the social monies and how they are organised are entirely up to the organisers and it seems to have been run pretty well up to now. most have kept the people informed of what is going to happen to surplus funds and i have heard very few complaints.

in other words if summit aint broken dont fix it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think that the social monies and how they are organised are entirely up to the organisers and it seems to have been run pretty well up to now. most have kept the people informed of what is going to happen to surplus funds and i have heard very few complaints.

in other words if summit aint broken dont fix it

"

as one of the people who arranges socails i totally agree there dave ,

i have arranged many a nite out for drinks where there have been no costs to anyone but their drinkin cash ...

lunches where ya pay on the day for what you have to eat , an not others ....

also have arranged socail nite for my best friend on here as a thankyou to robin house , NEVER once have i taken the credit for or will take credit for the cash raised as its the people that go that make the money and the nite ..

if you dont want to go to charity nites arranged then shimples dont put yer name down for them , its your choice to go or not .

as for gift aid its not always possible to arrange this so stop bloody whinning an if ya feel so bad about it then why not arrange one an put it in gift aid instead of putting the hard work that those of us on here do for enjoyment an to help others who need it to make their lives or others a lot better .

rant over ............. sioux

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I seem to have touched a nerve.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes you did ,

it takes a lot of arranging those nites out an we spend a hell of a lot of time an money from own pockets sometimes to get those nites done .

we work hard for our nites to make them a good nite for all , we so far have raised about £10,000 in 3 yrs for chosen charities an then we get moaned at for not using gift aid ... i know that you are trying to make a point of using it so they get more money but really is not about making more its about us having a good nite an then giving what we make. not to make thousands or hundreds its about the joy an fun we have doing them and attending them .

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By *ountrypairCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

well said sioux hun totally agree xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

with ref to the original post, i'd have thought that any surplus money raised from ticket sales would go straight to the charity any!! tbh having not run one of these myself, i'd have thought that a small donation on the cost of the ticket sale be acceptable. I'd pay up to £15 a ticket for a charity event myself.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"yes you did ,

it takes a lot of arranging those nites out an we spend a hell of a lot of time an money from own pockets sometimes to get those nites done .

we work hard for our nites to make them a good nite for all , we so far have raised about £10,000 in 3 yrs for chosen charities an then we get moaned at for not using gift aid ... i know that you are trying to make a point of using it so they get more money but really is not about making more its about us having a good nite an then giving what we make. not to make thousands or hundreds its about the joy an fun we have doing them and attending them ."

Ok. I accept it's not about making money for charities but why shouldn't it be?

Why shouldn't it be about making tens of thousands? Re socials; supposing every penny spent on travel, food, drink, frocks, knickers, accomodation, condoms and so on went to the charity + Gift Aid's 28% - wouldn't that be a really good thing?

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By *ountrypairCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

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By *ountrypairCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

am thinkin u would be better standing at queen st station shakin a tin m8 lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Charity fund-raising at socials ?

i dont like doing..cause when i go 2

a social thats wat i like doing

a social..an im no being a tight arse

cause threw my work i do about 4 fund

raising's a year..so when i go out all i

wanty do just socialise xxx

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"Why shouldn't it be about making tens of thousands? Re socials; supposing every penny spent on travel, food, drink, frocks, knickers, accomodation, condoms and so on went to the charity + Gift Aid's 28% - wouldn't that be a really good thing?"

So what you are saying with the above statement is we DON'T spend the money "on travel, food, drink, frocks, knickers, accomodation, condoms and so" but give it to charity instead and make sure we tick the box to give "gift aid" too???

So there would be no Social as no one would be paying to travel to it in the first place! But if they wanted to then spend double the cost of travelling to it they would need to go to it naked (including no knickers ), not eat or drink that night at it and then just travel home after it? What they spend on condoms.... well that's up to them!

Again, your argument above is completely flawed as you have just stopped everyone attending a Social, whether it be just a social Social or a charity Social!

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By *nTCouple
over a year ago

funland

is this not just getting bloody silly now? socials are organised and folk choose to go to socialise. Any money left goes to a charity. The main aim is a social evening (unless its a speific charity event) so any charity donation is a wee bonus - not the ain aim - lets just leave it at that please

all i can say is thanks to all those who organise the socials as it must be hard work and we have loved every one we have been to

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"...............

Again, your argument above is completely flawed as you have just stopped everyone attending a Social, whether it be just a social Social or a charity Social! "

Would that be such a bad thing? Maybe just once?

Instead of thinking about ourselves and our enjoyment we put the needs of others first?

I can't be the only one who's attended the £100+ a plate 'charity' dinners where all the ladies are wearing new £1,000+ dresses with new matching shoes, new jewellery and accessories?

Where whisky you wouldn't serve to Americans (sorry any Yanks here)is sold at £40 a bottle and mediocre Cava for much the same sum.

All that dosh (plus the Gift Aid) would be much better used by the charity - any charity - than swelling the coffers of the posh frock shops, shoe shops and the likes of Hilton hotels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...............

Again, your argument above is completely flawed as you have just stopped everyone attending a Social, whether it be just a social Social or a charity Social!

Would that be such a bad thing? Maybe just once?

Instead of thinking about ourselves and our enjoyment we put the needs of others first?

I can't be the only one who's attended the £100+ a plate 'charity' dinners where all the ladies are wearing new £1,000+ dresses with new matching shoes, new jewellery and accessories?

Where whisky you wouldn't serve to Americans (sorry any Yanks here)is sold at £40 a bottle and mediocre Cava for much the same sum.

All that dosh (plus the Gift Aid) would be much better used by the charity - any charity - than swelling the coffers of the posh frock shops, shoe shops and the likes of Hilton hotels."

you ever thought of becomin CEO for gift aid ???????????

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"...............

Again, your argument above is completely flawed as you have just stopped everyone attending a Social, whether it be just a social Social or a charity Social!

Would that be such a bad thing? Maybe just once?

Instead of thinking about ourselves and our enjoyment we put the needs of others first?

I can't be the only one who's attended the £100+ a plate 'charity' dinners where all the ladies are wearing new £1,000+ dresses with new matching shoes, new jewellery and accessories?

Where whisky you wouldn't serve to Americans (sorry any Yanks here)is sold at £40 a bottle and mediocre Cava for much the same sum.

All that dosh (plus the Gift Aid) would be much better used by the charity - any charity - than swelling the coffers of the posh frock shops, shoe shops and the likes of Hilton hotels."

Have you not realised yet they are Socials on a Swinging Site!

You may want to do all you can for charity and that's good but why oh why are you carrying on insisting we all give up going to the Socials (that are organised on here for the purpose of meeting other swingers and having a good night out) and give the money to charity instead?

If there is money left over and the organiser of the social gives that to a charity then all well and good, but why try to make people feel bad for wanting to go out and just party for a night?

As always, just my opinion! (This time without the spelling mistake lol)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...............

Again, your argument above is completely flawed as you have just stopped everyone attending a Social, whether it be just a social Social or a charity Social!

Would that be such a bad thing? Maybe just once?

Instead of thinking about ourselves and our enjoyment we put the needs of others first?

I can't be the only one who's attended the £100+ a plate 'charity' dinners where all the ladies are wearing new £1,000+ dresses with new matching shoes, new jewellery and accessories?

Where whisky you wouldn't serve to Americans (sorry any Yanks here)is sold at £40 a bottle and mediocre Cava for much the same sum.

All that dosh (plus the Gift Aid) would be much better used by the charity - any charity - than swelling the coffers of the posh frock shops, shoe shops and the likes of Hilton hotels."

You're having a laugh! I pay about £5-£10 each social for a buffet with a disco, drink lemonade and wear a charity shop frock!!!

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

This is a wind up, now, isn't it?

We should all sit at home in bedsits eating bread and water and donating all our disposable income to charity.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

isn't "a large flat in central Glasgow" an expensive indulgence? How many homeless people *could* you give a roof too? How many actually *do* you?

Couldn't you live just as happily in a flat ten miles away and half the size. You could then donate the balance of the lower rent to charity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im laughing so hard at the idiocy of this its unbelievable. All i can say is if you think its so easy to organise a social do one yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im happy staying in my wee nice

cosy lovely 1 bedroom house

sharp dressed man if u ever need

a wee bed..gee's a shout lol xx

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...............

Again, your argument above is completely flawed as you have just stopped everyone attending a Social, whether it be just a social Social or a charity Social!

Would that be such a bad thing? Maybe just once?

Instead of thinking about ourselves and our enjoyment we put the needs of others first?

I can't be the only one who's attended the £100+ a plate 'charity' dinners where all the ladies are wearing new £1,000+ dresses with new matching shoes, new jewellery and accessories?

Where whisky you wouldn't serve to Americans (sorry any Yanks here)is sold at £40 a bottle and mediocre Cava for much the same sum.

All that dosh (plus the Gift Aid) would be much better used by the charity - any charity - than swelling the coffers of the posh frock shops, shoe shops and the likes of Hilton hotels."

In the scenario above..then no doubt the monies spent on finery could possibly be better spent elsewhere.

That being said, it seems you have missed the point of the swingers socials.

The primary funtion is a goup meet for people who share a hobby and a common interest.

If there is a residue of monies collected from tickets and or organisational costs then this is donated to charity

On occasion there activites or raffles etc at these events to specifically raise cash for a charity.

Swingers parties (unless otherwise stated) are not held for the primary purpose of raising cash for charity.

Whilst your intentions may be well meaning, it would seem your understanding of the reasons and subsequent actions of most socials is flawed.

Equally it seems incredibly harsh to engender a feeling of dissatisfaction with the premise of current socials and possible intention of future events.

Furthermore, these are very different events from the '£100 a plate' dinners and indeed the income bracket of most (probably not all) attending is not of the level where £1000 dresses are worn and a feeling of guilt and or the misappropriation of monies is up for debate.

Not everyone is selfless, but neither is everyone selfish....

In the words of Tescos....'every little helps'

Vol

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Keep Talking Vol ....

am @ the Tickely Bit lol

well said

Buboo xxxxx

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